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Where does Derek Anderson end up next year? (1 Viewer)
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
browns
I thought Brady's contract is based quite a bit on playing time and incentives. Decent contract that would of been a ton more if taken in the top 3. I see no reason to play Brady if Derek's playing at an All-Pro level.
I thought Brady's contract is based quite a bit on playing time and incentives. Decent contract that would of been a ton more if taken in the top 3. I see no reason to play Brady if Derek's playing at an All-Pro level.
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treat88
Footballguy
Agreed. No way they let him walk. DA's not nearly as good, but the Drew Brees situation will be fresh in everyone's mind.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Code:
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I thought he was a UFA??
Sabertooth
Footballguy
RFA I believe Peter King talked about this on HBO.I thought he was a UFA??
Come on. They were awesome despite Rivers and would have won a SB with Brees, imo. And this year - well, this year he shows he can't help this team succeed.IMO, Cleveland should study the SD situation long and hard when deciding how to proceed with DA.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10Furthermore? The Chargers were awesome last season without Brees. Your statement makes no sense at all. Great avatar though.
treat88
Footballguy
DA: 214 374 2901 57.2 7.76 78 22 17 16 82.8DB: 1706 2698 18941 63.2 7.02 86 118 74 115 87.2
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10Furthermore? The Chargers were awesome last season without Brees. Your statement makes no sense at all. Great avatar though.
7 games does not make DA Brees equal in any way shape or form.
He may turn out to be, but at this point he's not even comparable.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
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ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
the comparison also is different in the sense that that was brees's like 4-5th year as a starter and this is DA's first real stint as a starter. if u compare DA's numbers to the first few season's from brees his stats are superior
MCguidance
Footballguy
Ask Kitna where DA will be.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but is anyone really comparing the players - or are we comparing the situation.
In both cases, the season following the drafting of the 'future QB with the fat rookie contract' someone else stood up and said I'm your man in a large way.
SD decided they could not let the Rivers contract eat them up, so despite knowing what Rivers could do, they moved Brees (or let him go - can't remember all the details).
The next year SD was a SB contender and it's obvious weakness was QB.
This year SD looks even worse and it is still obvious that QB is a weakness.
So, SD experiment begs the question... if you know a QB is productive and he's not the rich fat rookie who has proven nothing, do you try and move the rich fat rookie and take you cap lumps, let the proven commodity go and start all over, or keep both and and take your cap lumps.
Is DA as good as Brees. I don't know. Did we know Brees was as good as Brees when SD let him go... I don't think so. Last year with NO help shape our high opinion of Brees - not his last year with SD.
If DA keeps this up until end of season, no reason to think he couldn't be as good as Brees, or better. He's 24 years old... maybe what we are witnessing is a maturing of a long lost prospect.
In both cases, the season following the drafting of the 'future QB with the fat rookie contract' someone else stood up and said I'm your man in a large way.
SD decided they could not let the Rivers contract eat them up, so despite knowing what Rivers could do, they moved Brees (or let him go - can't remember all the details).
The next year SD was a SB contender and it's obvious weakness was QB.
This year SD looks even worse and it is still obvious that QB is a weakness.
So, SD experiment begs the question... if you know a QB is productive and he's not the rich fat rookie who has proven nothing, do you try and move the rich fat rookie and take you cap lumps, let the proven commodity go and start all over, or keep both and and take your cap lumps.
Is DA as good as Brees. I don't know. Did we know Brees was as good as Brees when SD let him go... I don't think so. Last year with NO help shape our high opinion of Brees - not his last year with SD.
If DA keeps this up until end of season, no reason to think he couldn't be as good as Brees, or better. He's 24 years old... maybe what we are witnessing is a maturing of a long lost prospect.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Brees was in 2 probowls (maybe only 1, but I think 2) as a Charger and also won Comeback and Halas awards as well as being franchised for his final year in SD at about $9.5 mil. I'm pretty sure we knew he was good before he left.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
People are rewriting history if they think QB was a weakness last year for the Chargers. Rivers 2006 outperformed Brees 2005 in every statistical category relating to efficiency (yards per attempt, TD-INT ratio, completion percentage, passer rating), and engineered the NFL's highest scoring offense to several impressive come-from-behind wins in the fourth quarter. He wasn't just along for the ride.
This year, he is not playing nearly as well.
This year, he is not playing nearly as well.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Da Bears.
428143
Footballguy
Quinn will not be traded, the bonus they gave him would kill the Browns cap(if traded)...I have no clue what will happen, but the situation sucks for the Browns front office. If the Browns feel Quinn has the goods to take full advantage of the supporting cast, I think Anderson has a new home come 2008. The Bears/Vikings probably top the list...
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
PantherPower
Footballguy
I wish Carolina (Steve Smith owner and Panther fan) but I agree, he'll stay in Brownie town...
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
You're acting like they'd get 2 stud defenders for Anderson.That's not how trades in the NFL work. At best they'd get a late first rounder.Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Really? Where exactly did I say they'd get any studs anywhere? If you have 8 positions that need upgrading and you can trade 1 guy for 2, then you've improved your chances at winning.You're acting like they'd get 2 stud defenders for Anderson.That's not how trades in the NFL work. At best they'd get a late first rounder.Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
Shefter on NFL network spoke on this just last week and said Anderson was a RFA and that the Browns could qualify him for about $2.8 mill which would require any team that made a move on him to compensate the Browns with a 1st and 3rd round pick. Now maybe a team gives that up but it seems more likely to me he is a Brown in '08.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Now you're acting like Brady is as good as Anderson.QB is by far the most important position on the field. Why downgrade from a very, very good QB to an untested rookie when you don't have to?Really? Where exactly did I say they'd get any studs anywhere? If you have 8 positions that need upgrading and you can trade 1 guy for 2, then you've improved your chances at winning.You're acting like they'd get 2 stud defenders for Anderson.That's not how trades in the NFL work. At best they'd get a late first rounder.Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
More incorrect assumptions. I've said repeatedly that it all depends on if Quinn is playing well enough to get close to DA's numbers. How you get that I'm acting like Quinn is as good as DA is beyond me. And I think it's way too early to say that DA is very very good. He's doing very very well so far, but will that last? DA has failure in his recent past, including training camp this year, so him continuing at this pace, even for the rest of the season is not a given. As for "having to", again as I've said before, sometimes business decisions come into play over just who is playing better. If they decide it's more valuable to the team to get a few extra players and have their "unknown quantity" play then it's a very good chance they'll do that. Again, CLE is not just a QB away from being a very good team, they have many needs. Even if Quinn is a dropoff, if they can bulk up in other areas then it's a win for the team. They don't necessarily need studs, just useful players vs a ton of value sitting on the bench. Please reply quick because I can't wait to hear how I'm acting or what I'm thinking next.Now you're acting like Brady is as good as Anderson.QB is by far the most important position on the field. Why downgrade from a very, very good QB to an untested rookie when you don't have to?Really? Where exactly did I say they'd get any studs anywhere? If you have 8 positions that need upgrading and you can trade 1 guy for 2, then you've improved your chances at winning.You're acting like they'd get 2 stud defenders for Anderson.That's not how trades in the NFL work. At best they'd get a late first rounder.Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
Donnybrook
Footballguy
At this point, he potentially could cost just as much as Schaub did last year.
The Texans gave up two 2nd round picks and exchanged their #8 for Atlanta's #10 for Schaub.
The Texans gave up two 2nd round picks and exchanged their #8 for Atlanta's #10 for Schaub.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Now we're going back to the fact that you're not going to get much more than a late first round/2nd round pick for Anderson. The dropoff at QB isn't worth that.But hey, you taking facts personally is always good shtick.More incorrect assumptions. I've said repeatedly that it all depends on if Quinn is playing well enough to get close to DA's numbers. How you get that I'm acting like Quinn is as good as DA is beyond me. And I think it's way too early to say that DA is very very good. He's doing very very well so far, but will that last? DA has failure in his recent past, including training camp this year, so him continuing at this pace, even for the rest of the season is not a given. As for "having to", again as I've said before, sometimes business decisions come into play over just who is playing better. If they decide it's more valuable to the team to get a few extra players and have their "unknown quantity" play then it's a very good chance they'll do that. Again, CLE is not just a QB away from being a very good team, they have many needs. Even if Quinn is a dropoff, if they can bulk up in other areas then it's a win for the team. They don't necessarily need studs, just useful players vs a ton of value sitting on the bench. Please reply quick because I can't wait to hear how I'm acting or what I'm thinking next.Now you're acting like Brady is as good as Anderson.QB is by far the most important position on the field. Why downgrade from a very, very good QB to an untested rookie when you don't have to?Really? Where exactly did I say they'd get any studs anywhere? If you have 8 positions that need upgrading and you can trade 1 guy for 2, then you've improved your chances at winning.You're acting like they'd get 2 stud defenders for Anderson.That's not how trades in the NFL work. At best they'd get a late first rounder.Unless you get value for them to help the team in all the other areas they need. Which gives your team the best chance to win. If QB was one of their few needs then it doesn't make any sense to get rid of a good player. But since they need more, it might be better business sense to get rid of the guy you can get more for or whose movement will help your team financially the most. Business decisions come into play here, not just who is playing best. It will be easier to get compensated for a known quantity than for your untested rookie. But like I said, its all dependant on if Quinn looks like he can play in the coaches' minds. Looking too short term is also moronic at best. QB is only one position and the Browns need more help and are without a 1st round pick next year.Why do people insist you have to play the rookie? The concept of sunk costs down?You play/sign whoever gives you the best chance to win. Period. You'll make some mistakes along the way, but to add to those by letting good players go is moronic at best.He didn't say that DA's stats this year aren't as good as Brees' are this year. He said that DA isn't as good as Brees. Until DA puts up several years of good numbers, takes a few teams to the playoffs and makes it to HI a few times then I say that statement is accurate.As for DA vs Brady compared to the Brees situation, Brees (coming off a franchise tag) would've gotten a lot more money in SD than DA will/woulod get in CLE next year. and while Brady's contract isn't as big as Rivers, there's a 1st rounder involved in having him on the sidelines. DA's a RFA so they could tender him to a point they get some picks for him becuase they are still a ways away from being 1 or 2 pieces away. As long as Quinn is looking good in practice, DA is more valuable as a bargaining chip than as a Brown. Of course, with whole coinflip thing I'm not sure that staff can evaluate their QBs all that well. Similarities in the Brees/Rivers are there but DA isn't worth franchising and Quinn was too expensive to sit for the length of a new DA contract. And who knows if he could be traded for value with no PT. Brees franchised made sense because the Chargers got some picks along with Rivers so he represented less investment while sitting on the bench learning. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see DA on the Browns next year but I don't think he will be. My guess without knowing what his cost will be and who has what to give away is Vikings. With that OL and ADP there, one good WR would make that offense absolutely sick.
Anderson, Derek CLE QB 170 148 257 2108 17 9 Brees, Drew NOS QB 137 225 335 2175 12 10
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Still interested in any actual facts you might have proposed that I am taking personally. All I've seen is incorrect assumptions, poor reading comprehension, exaggeration and the claim that DA is very very good based solely on his last 7 games. When you actually present facts, then maybe I could deal with them at all. Barring that, it's all a bunch of hot air.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not only that but even this year...Brees '07 QB rating 84.5Rivers '07 QB rating 82.9... Brees hasn't been much better than Rivers.For that matter over their career...Brees QB rating 87.2Rivers QB rating 88.0... so they are what they are; solid QB's, not special. Both are closer to being Kitna/Hasselbeck than they are Brady/Manning. Neither of them looks like they can be effective when there's a pass rush and/or when playing from behind so I'm glad that SD isn't paying either of them franchise QB $. I'm even more glad they aren't paying BOTH of them big $.
I say he'll remain in Cleveland.
But it's NOT out of the question that a Team could give up a 1st and 3rd for him IF he continues his great season.
If an UNPROVEN Matt Schaub who was 2-2 in 4 career starts can bring 2 second rounders, then a QB coming off a 4,000 yard 30+ TD Season should garner a 1st and 3rd.
Especially if the Team giving up the picks is drafting later in the Draft.
I mean, if you were the Vikings for instance, would you rather draft a 22 year old Brohm or Matt Ryan and HOPE that they can produce a Season like DA's 2007 pace...
...OR....
Take a 24 Year old QB who you ALREADY KNOW can do it?
I mean, Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Jay Feeley
Seattle gave up a 1st rounder for Hasselback.
Derek Anderson's proven A LOT MORE than those had when they garnered premium picks.
But it's NOT out of the question that a Team could give up a 1st and 3rd for him IF he continues his great season.
If an UNPROVEN Matt Schaub who was 2-2 in 4 career starts can bring 2 second rounders, then a QB coming off a 4,000 yard 30+ TD Season should garner a 1st and 3rd.
Especially if the Team giving up the picks is drafting later in the Draft.
I mean, if you were the Vikings for instance, would you rather draft a 22 year old Brohm or Matt Ryan and HOPE that they can produce a Season like DA's 2007 pace...
...OR....
Take a 24 Year old QB who you ALREADY KNOW can do it?
I mean, Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Jay Feeley
Seattle gave up a 1st rounder for Hasselback.
Derek Anderson's proven A LOT MORE than those had when they garnered premium picks.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
How do you know how much of a dropoff there'd be?
skol asylum
Footballguy
Quinn to Minnesota to form a new dynasty trio for years to come:
QB Brady Quinn
RB Adrian Peterson
WR Sidney Rice
QB Brady Quinn
RB Adrian Peterson
WR Sidney Rice
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I think most NFL people are watching the games and not playing fantasy football. DA is having an outstanding fantasy football season. His real life NFL season isn't quite as good. Yes, he's playing above average, and the team is doing better than many thought they would. Yes, most of his numbers look pretty decent so far this year. One important number that hasn't looked very good is completion %. Here are his YTD numbers:
completions 164
attempts 292
% 56.2
Also, some of those plays were not very good passes. I'll be conservative and say that 2 per game were balls that really should not have been caught. That changes his numbers to this:
completions 146
attempts 292
% 50.0
I'm not dogging DA. I love that he has been a spark plug for my favorite team this year. I'm also not as high on him as some others are. If the Browns can get a high 2nd round pick for him, I think I'd be pretty happy. The team desparately needs some quality DL-men.
Having said all of that, I'm assuming that BQ is the player I think he is.....smart, takes care of the ball, can make a lot of throws (doesn't have the arm DA does), and a proven winner. If he has these things, I'll take him as the Browns QB and let DA go for a high 2nd rounder.
completions 164
attempts 292
% 56.2
Also, some of those plays were not very good passes. I'll be conservative and say that 2 per game were balls that really should not have been caught. That changes his numbers to this:
completions 146
attempts 292
% 50.0
I'm not dogging DA. I love that he has been a spark plug for my favorite team this year. I'm also not as high on him as some others are. If the Browns can get a high 2nd round pick for him, I think I'd be pretty happy. The team desparately needs some quality DL-men.
Having said all of that, I'm assuming that BQ is the player I think he is.....smart, takes care of the ball, can make a lot of throws (doesn't have the arm DA does), and a proven winner. If he has these things, I'll take him as the Browns QB and let DA go for a high 2nd rounder.
PatrickT
Footballguy
That's pretty subjective stuff. How in the world do you judge "shouldn't have been caught"? If it was thrown where the WR could get a hand on it, it should've been caught. And if it WAS caught, then it definitely should've been caught. Don't follow that logic.As to the numbers, wouldn't you think they'd be skewed by the fact that he's nearly always playing catch up and has to take more chances than most QBs? Is he throwing balls away due to coverage? Just a thought, I haven't seen him play this year.Fallerjw said:
This cracks me up. Two balls per game really should not have been caught? Like you mean his WR's or TE's made a play? Gasp! Were there any that should've been caught? I'll say 2 per game that should've been caught.Now he's at:Fallerjw said:
completions 182
attempts 292
% 62.3
Looks good.
Not true at all...I caught Schefter on Foxsports Radio early yesterday morning. He walked through this exact scenario and said that the Browns could easily trade Quinn and that the cap penalty would be minor, as in something the team could withstand without sustaining any major economic damage.
I agree with Bloom, Anderson is not going anywhere. It is too hard to find a quality NFL starter and Anderson is a bird in hand.
Kub
Footballguy
There is a flaw in comparing Cleveland's situation to San Diego's. Brees was eligible to be a UFA(would have cost San Diego over 8 million dollars to keep as a franchise player) and he was coming off shoulder surgery on his throwing arm. Anderson is a RFA(tender will be ~2.5 million) and that would ensure they would get a 1st and 3rd round pick if another team signed him.
Additionally, while both CLE and SD had 1st round QBs behind their starters, Rivers was the 4th pick in the draft and Quinn was the 22nd. Rivers signed a 6 year, 40.5 million dollar contract. Quinn signed for 5 years, 9.2 million. Depending how the contracts were structured, SD's QB situation would have required ~14 million to keep both Brees and Rivers. CLE could potentially keep Anderson and Quinn for less than 5 million.
I think there is a better chance that Cleveland trades Quinn than lets Anderson leave. Quinn could fetch them a lot via trade and is not signed to a contract that would kill them if he were dealt.
Additionally, while both CLE and SD had 1st round QBs behind their starters, Rivers was the 4th pick in the draft and Quinn was the 22nd. Rivers signed a 6 year, 40.5 million dollar contract. Quinn signed for 5 years, 9.2 million. Depending how the contracts were structured, SD's QB situation would have required ~14 million to keep both Brees and Rivers. CLE could potentially keep Anderson and Quinn for less than 5 million.
I think there is a better chance that Cleveland trades Quinn than lets Anderson leave. Quinn could fetch them a lot via trade and is not signed to a contract that would kill them if he were dealt.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
We should start calling him "Sideshow Derek".
Bodysnatcher
Footballguy
I wouldn't say that the situation sucks for the Browns front office. It isn't if they would be much more happy if Anderson was doing awful, and they had to put all of their hopes and all of the pressure onto Quinn. Hell, Quinn can sit on the sidelines for a couple years, and then come off of the bench OR NOT if Anderson continues to do great. Having to figure out what to do with a Pro Bowl type performer like Anderson, and a top Draft pick like Quinn both being on your team is not a big problem. If it is... I can think of plenty of other teams in the league that wish they had that sort of problem.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Pure conjecture on my part, but since trade rumors have surrounded DHall since the CAR meltdown, what about ATL trading DHall for Anderson (or maybe Quinn, tho I'd hate to give a proven commodity for an unproven one)? Browns could sure use the defensive help and I wanted Anderson in the pre-season. Apparently, so did McKay, but he played the waiting game instead of going out and getting him.Not that I necessarily WANT to get rid of Hall, just speculatin'
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm not trying to bag on DA at all, but I was kind of unimpressed by him yesterday. His throws were largely ugly, aimed at his WR's knees. I dunno if it's his height making him throw downwards but his throws just look ugly, even the ones that are accurately thrown. How good would he be without KII and Braylon making great plays for him? Jurevicius even dug a few out of the turf and it still was a fairly ugly stat game for DA. Granted it was the Steelers.
BQ is a better overall QB. The system that Chud has going is really helping DA become a better QB than he ever has been. But the most important part of this equation is the OLine. This is as solid a unit as there is in the NFL and that also helps DA out.
IMO DA = good BQ = great!
BQ came into the NFL as the most "NFL Ready" QB ever. Look at what the Irish are doing this year, BQ was little more important to their success than he gets credit for. Savage knows what he is doing and he knows what he has in DA, but he also knows what hes got in his bac pocket with BQ. DA is doing very well but BQ is the man and will be the man for the future.
IMO DA = good BQ = great!
BQ came into the NFL as the most "NFL Ready" QB ever. Look at what the Irish are doing this year, BQ was little more important to their success than he gets credit for. Savage knows what he is doing and he knows what he has in DA, but he also knows what hes got in his bac pocket with BQ. DA is doing very well but BQ is the man and will be the man for the future.
