Where is the hype for David Garrard? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

It is always Mike Vick and Vince Young because of their draft slots.

Look at what David Garrard did this year for JAX despite missing 3 games to injury, 18 Tds, 3 Ints. a playoff win. Vick and Young could only dream about those kind of numbers.

Garrard is the guy who wins. Yet you never hear his name. Why is that?

It is puzzling how the NFL hype machine works.

Garrard is the guy who deserves it..but yet his name is never mentioned.

 

[Futeki]

He is solid and consistent, but never takes over a game.

Plus, it is Jacksonville.

 

[GregR_2]

It is always Mike Vick and Vince Young because of their draft slots.Look at what David Garrard did this year for JAX despite missing 3 games to injury, 18 Tds, 3 Ints. a playoff win. Vick and Young could only dream about those kind of numbers.Garrard is the guy who wins. Yet you never hear his name. Why is that? It is puzzling how the NFL hype machine works.Garrard is the guy who deserves it..but yet his name is never mentioned.

Do you really think a problem with the Shark Pool that needs to be addressed is a shortage of hype?

 

[EBF]

In some ways Garrard's 2007 season was similar to Roethlisberger's rookie year. Both guys produced very good numbers on a per throw basis, but didn't throw the ball enough to accumulate the kind of stats that generate attention and FF hype. I'm not nearly as high on Garrard as I was on Roeth for a variety of reasons, but I agree that he deserves a little more credit than he's currently receiving.

 

[SSOG]

It is always Mike Vick and Vince Young because of their draft slots.Look at what David Garrard did this year for JAX despite missing 3 games to injury, 18 Tds, 3 Ints. a playoff win. Vick and Young could only dream about those kind of numbers.Garrard is the guy who wins. Yet you never hear his name. Why is that? It is puzzling how the NFL hype machine works.Garrard is the guy who deserves it..but yet his name is never mentioned.

In 2002, Vick's first year as a starter, he posted 24 TDs (rushing/receiving combined) to 8 INTs (worth noting that he actually started the season with a 9:2 pass TD to INT ratio). His per-attempt passing numbers weren't as good as Garrard's, but they were very good, and his rushing numbers were just the slightest bit better than Garrard's. He also didn't just get a playoff victory, he was the first road QB in NFL history to walk out of Lambeau with a playoff win. Just as a reminder before we fall victim to hyperbole or repeat past mistakes.

 

[Sopranos]

Its Jax. People there hardly care to support their team. Its sad but true.

 

[David Yudkin]

Garrard had a nice season. The Jags got a TD on defense and effectively one on special teams last week. He went 9 for 21 last week with 2 picks. If he plays like that today and the Jags get blown out, does he still deserve a lot of hype?

 

[Steeler]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Ben Roeth had 3 interceptions which were very bad throws, and a lost fumble. He also had some passes that could have been picked, so what does that say about him?

 

[fred_1_15301]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Ben Roeth had 3 interceptions which were very bad throws, and a lost fumble. He also had some passes that could have been picked, so what does that say about him?

True but at least in the 2nd game, Ben showed the ability to take over a game with his arm after all the mistakes. Garrard did win the game with his feet but you can't count on that every week. I would love to see him play well tonight so that we can watch a competitive football game.

 

[freelander]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Yeah, he did not have good games against Steelers....but they won. Similarly, I could say the only game I saw Brady play was at home against the Jets and he had 140 yds passing, no TD's and 1 INT. So what is all the fuss about?

 

[pollardsvision]

i'm not sure if garrard is underhyped.

he's been phenomenal all season. much more than the care-taker tag that he's gotten and he's taken over games at times.

he didn't have a great game last week, but made a great play last week to help win the game.

i love garrard. there's no reason for hype this week, though. as a jag fan, i've tried all week to come up with scenario that didn't invlove this being garrard's last game of the year. i can't. i can't imagine the jags not getting killed tonight.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Ben Roeth had 3 interceptions which were very bad throws, and a lost fumble. He also had some passes that could have been picked, so what does that say about him?

True but at least in the 2nd game, Ben showed the ability to take over a game with his arm after all the mistakes. Garrard did win the game with his feet but you can't count on that every week. I would love to see him play well tonight so that we can watch a competitive football game.

I thought Ben played excellent in the second half of the game last weekend. The Steelers did a nice job in general making adjustments after half time. I've enjoyed both games between these two teams this season. Both games came down to the wire. As for Garrard, I think he has played very well this season, and I think he has made the wide receivers on the Jaguars better. I think he will be good for years to come.

 

[meanjoegreen]

i can't imagine the jags not getting killed tonight.

I hope they have a good game plan layed out, because they are going to need it.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Calling that he'll at least have two INT's today.

He'll be forced to throw the ball more to win today and that will cost him and his team.

 

[monessen]

If you are looking for a fantasy QB for your team next year, you can do a lot worse than Garrard.

Sure, he's not picturesque at times, but his numbers are generally consistent. He's still young, and the weapons on his team are better runners than pass-catchers, but I have him in my top 8 fantasy QBs for next year and he'll hopefully remain healthy.

Roethlisberger, Eli, and Rivers will probably be permanently linked in terms of their comparative success. That's fine and it makes sense. Those guys should be glad to have Ward, Burress, Gates, Chambers, etc. to target. They'll remain competent and, sometimes, sterling QBs. Garrard, however, may turn in similar if not stronger results with erratic players like Wilford, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Marcedes Lewis, etc.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Garrard is the guy who wins.

Nope, Tom Brady is a guy who wins. Garrard hasn't won a thing, including his own division.

 

[Da Guru]

Calling that he'll at least have two INT's today.He'll be forced to throw the ball more to win today and that will cost him and his team.

Any team playing NE will be forced to score alot of points or be in a catch up situation.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Calling that he'll at least have two INT's today.He'll be forced to throw the ball more to win today and that will cost him and his team.

Any team playing NE will be forced to score alot of points or be in a catch up situation.

Yep, and Jax isn't in too many of those situations which is why I believe Garrard's had the succes he's had. They've been able to dictate the game to other teams.I don't believe they will tonight and he'll be out of his comfort zone and will make mistakes, mistakes you haven't seen from him most of the year.

 

[SSOG]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Ben Roeth had 3 interceptions which were very bad throws, and a lost fumble. He also had some passes that could have been picked, so what does that say about him?

There's a difference. David Garrard is universally praised for his low INT%. If his low INT% is a mirage, then he's being praised unfairly. Ben is praised for his obscene YPA and his superb play on 3rd downs or long-yardage situations. If his low INT% is a mirage... then who cares, because people aren't Big Ben fans because he limits turnovers (He doesn't, he's actually one of the more turnover-prone QBs in the league).I think in some part Garrard's mistake-free play is luck. I think any time anyone is THAT mistake free, there is always an element of luck. I remember when Plummer made a run at the NFL record for most passes without an INT, and I remember the several dropped INTs during that span. As a result, I think Garrard's label as a low-INT guy is a little overblown; however, I think all the other elements of his game are dramatically underrated, so I still think he's an underrated QB.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

The 2008 season will be a contract season for Garrard. In addition, the former passer from East Carolina turns 30 next month. Should be interesting to see if the Jags look to extend Garrard.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

The 2008 season will be a contract season for Garrard. In addition, the former passer from East Carolina turns 30 next month. Should be interesting to see if the Jags look to extend Garrard.

Odds are that they will try to extend him to a sizeable contract this offseason.

 

[Steeler]

I've only seen Jax play twice this year (both against Pittsburgh obviously) and he made some poor throws. The Steelers weren't a turnover machine this year, but they picked Garrard 3 times.... all three were very bad passes. Plus in the regular season game, he had two others that could have been picked (not easy catches by the defenders, but possible picks). Based on only those two games, I'm not all that impressed with Garrard because the low INT numbers seem to be a mirage if you will.

Ben Roeth had 3 interceptions which were very bad throws, and a lost fumble. He also had some passes that could have been picked, so what does that say about him?

If that was the only game you saw Ben play this year I can see how you could have a negative view of his game (although he did play much better in the 2nd half). I was clear that I was basing my conclussions on only 2 games, take if for what it's worth

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I've seen at least 4 different fluff pieces on Garrard on NFL pregame shows in the past two weeks. I practically know his life story and medical history now.

 

[DWidmar]

I've seen at least 4 different fluff pieces on Garrard on NFL pregame shows in the past two weeks. I practically know his life story and medical history now.

All of the fluff pieces has made me like the guy even more. I think he is underated because of the numbers he will put up versus where he is ranked by most fantasy owners. Alot of people are taking shots about him not taking over a game etc... but this is his first full year as a starter. I expect as the offensive Coordinator has more confidence in him they will open up the passing game even more and afford him opportunities to take over a game. I think he is very consistent at what he does and will get better and more explosive in the coming years. (if he gets a true #1 WR on the team. )

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I've seen at least 4 different fluff pieces on Garrard on NFL pregame shows in the past two weeks. I practically know his life story and medical history now.

All of the fluff pieces has made me like the guy even more. I think he is underated because of the numbers he will put up versus where he is ranked by most fantasy owners. Alot of people are taking shots about him not taking over a game etc... but this is his first full year as a starter. I expect as the offensive Coordinator has more confidence in him they will open up the passing game even more and afford him opportunities to take over a game. I think he is very consistent at what he does and will get better and more explosive in the coming years. (if he gets a true #1 WR on the team. )

Oh, yeah. I like him too. A lot.I just don't see a lack of hype. He's been getting lots of exposure lately.

 

[omally]

I think Garrard played a very good game tonight. He needs a great WR to throw to. The receivers he has now have improved, but none of them will ever be great. Chad Johnson might be on the market.

 

[Da Guru]

I think Garrard played a very good game tonight. He needs a great WR to throw to. The receivers he has now have improved, but none of them will ever be great. Chad Johnson might be on the market.

I agree..I thought he played very good, that dropped pass at the goalline by Northcutt hurt.

 

[pizzatyme]

Props to Garrard. He played great tonight.

Too bad Jacksonville's gameplan was to try to keep it close instead of take it to the Patriots.

You cannot give Brady 5 seconds with only 3or 4 rushing. He will deliver.