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Where should Ahmad Bradshaw go... (1 Viewer)

Lord Lucan

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There is at least one thread about Bradshaw out there, but I wanted to ask the specific question about where he should be taken in Dynasty leagues' rookie/free agent drafts - because his surge last year came so late, he seems to be a free agent in many leagues.

I have taken him at 1:08 and 1:09 in two of my Dynasty leagues. My take on the situation is that although I understand the arguments about Ward possibly being the actual back-up to Jacobs, I felt that Bradshaw was more likely to be useful as a spot starter this season than anyone I could get at around those slots, and I also felt he probably had as much chance to develop into a useful long-term fantasy starter as most of the RBs/WRs available around at that position.

So where does Bradshaw belong in this scenario? My take is behind McFadden, Mendenhall, Stewart and Forte, but right in the mix with Kevin Smith, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones and Ray Rice. Is that too optimistic a view of Bradshaw's long-term prospects, despite the free-agent staus of the other Giants backs in 2009?

 
I would say he is worth a consideration right after all the guys you mentioned. I think if you are getting around that 1.08 - 1.09 pick if all those guys you mentioned are gone and you need a RB over another position.

I actually grabbed Bradshaw as well in a rookie/FA draft liek you are talking about but he slipped to me at 2.07.

 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...

 
Based on what I, and most others, saw last year, if you need an RB, Id take him at the 1.8ish. He will get his chances.

 
I like him after the top 9 or so rookie running backs have went.

DMC, Stewy, Mendy, Forte, Smith, Jones, Johnson, Rice, Torain, Bradshaw, Slaton, Charles

He's a solid second rounder.

 
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good topic. I was just thinking about picking him up. I could see him going anywhere between 1.6-1.9. Somewhere after Smith, Forte and in between Felix, Johnson. If I don't handcuff LJ, I think this will be my choice. :thumbup:

 
I like Bradshaw but I think I would take a guy like James Hardy at 1.08-1.10 range but would consider Bradshaw also....depends on the team needs

 
I think you have your "top 5" of DMac, Stew, Mendy, Smith, Forte (the last two obviously being situation more than anything) - after that, Bradshaw is as viable as anyone that's left if you need/want a RB. So I don't see 1.09 as a stretch by any means (assuming you don't want a WR, etc)

 
I have 1.11 and think he may fall to me, but I will almost certainly have to pass. I also have Ward on my team, and am skeptical of carrying 2 back-up NYG RBs on an 18 man roster. Also, my QB position is horrid (Eli, Clemens, Warner, Stanton) so I will most likely end up passing on Bradshaw at 1.11 for Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers depending on who falls. I really hope he goes before my pick so a guy like Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, or Ray Rice will fall to me.

 
In my one 24 team league, I tried to trade him.

Offered him up for the 10th and 34th pick and got turned down. I was after Flacco or Henne as backup QB is big need. Went down the line until Flacco went at the 20th pick overall with 20/44 being last offer. Each one was turned down. Including a guy that drafted Charles instead at 1.12

I also offered him up with Fernando Bryant for Brandon Jackson and Micheal Clayton and that was shot down also. Also offered him up for 23rd pick overall and Robert Meachum

I think most see value but if you go to trade him, his value is still squat as most dont believe. I am okay holding him in the end and hoping. But I was going on all these dynasty drafts going on and he is going 7th/8th round and was willing to move him at that value. But they dont add up in my opinion. Guys I was after go like 15th round plus.

 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones. Regardless I'd put him behind

J Stew

DMC

Mendenhall

Forte

Chris Johnson

Ray Rice

Kevin Smith

so 1.08 would be about right in my book.

 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
I don't see how him only having 6 carries last year is relevant, he's a rookie, some take time to develop/get an opportunity. If this were his 2nd or 3rd season, ok, but his rookie season? Sounds like a league full of impatient dyno owners or a more shallow one. I don't know how you all construct your dyno teams but looking for those high upside 2nd day/undrafted FA RB prospects late is something I always try to do and my competition oftens tries to do too. The camp reports alone last season should have been enough for someone to roster him, just to see.Pierre Thomas and Ahmad Bradshaw fit the mold last year, looking like Tim Hightower and Xavier Omon may be the guys for this year - we'll see how camp goes, someone else will probably emerge in August too.
 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
I don't see how him only having 6 carries last year is relevant, he's a rookie, some take time to develop/get an opportunity. If this were his 2nd or 3rd season, ok, but his rookie season? Sounds like a league full of impatient dyno owners or a more shallow one.
Depends how deep your league is. The guy barely got a sniff of the field the first 15 weeks and was stuck behind two RBs who were performing effectively in Jacobs and Ward, with Droughns getting plenty of touches too. There won't have been many Dynasty leagues where owners felt the need to hang onto a third- or fourth-string RB who had been drafted in the seventh round. There were lots of other players out there with seemingly better situations, at that time.
 
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I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
I don't see how him only having 6 carries last year is relevant, he's a rookie, some take time to develop/get an opportunity. If this were his 2nd or 3rd season, ok, but his rookie season? Sounds like a league full of impatient dyno owners or a more shallow one. I don't know how you all construct your dyno teams but looking for those high upside 2nd day/undrafted FA RB prospects late is something I always try to do and my competition oftens tries to do too. The camp reports alone last season should have been enough for someone to roster him, just to see.Pierre Thomas and Ahmad Bradshaw fit the mold last year, looking like Tim Hightower and Xavier Omon may be the guys for this year - we'll see how camp goes, someone else will probably emerge in August too.
any league where you only have around 20 rosters spots I could see him being available or it wouldn't be surprising anyways.
 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
I don't see how him only having 6 carries last year is relevant, he's a rookie, some take time to develop/get an opportunity. If this were his 2nd or 3rd season, ok, but his rookie season? Sounds like a league full of impatient dyno owners or a more shallow one. I don't know how you all construct your dyno teams but looking for those high upside 2nd day/undrafted FA RB prospects late is something I always try to do and my competition oftens tries to do too. The camp reports alone last season should have been enough for someone to roster him, just to see.Pierre Thomas and Ahmad Bradshaw fit the mold last year, looking like Tim Hightower and Xavier Omon may be the guys for this year - we'll see how camp goes, someone else will probably emerge in August too.
any league where you only have around 20 rosters spots I could see him being available or it wouldn't be surprising anyways.
You didn't read the bolded above.
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams. I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams. I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
Ahead of Forte and Smith? Seems a bit high.
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams. I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
Ahead of Forte and Smith? Seems a bit high.
If you believe he's the next MJD it is not, if you're not a believer then yes that is crazy-high. I have to think he's a believer.
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams. I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
Also isnt Jacobs a FA in 09???. Ill be taking Bradshaw at 1.6 in a league where I have Jacobs rostered
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams. I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
Ahead of Forte and Smith? Seems a bit high.
Not really when you consider that the hit rate on a 3rd round RB is about 5%. As for Forte, just look at his O-line and get used to the words "Forte caught in the backfield for a 3 yard loss".
 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.

K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams.

I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
what is his role? Has Bradshaw locked up the backup spot? I thought that hasn't been figured out yet but I could be wrong. maybe I missed something...I know jacobs is waiting for a new deal and they will probably give him one I would think.

 
I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.

K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams.

I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
what is his role? Has Bradshaw locked up the backup spot? I thought that hasn't been figured out yet but I could be wrong. maybe I missed something...I know jacobs is waiting for a new deal and they will probably give him one I would think.
Offically... NO. But, when Ward was out, the NYG Running Game didn't miss a beat and AB was impressive in the play-off. Bradshaw is very similar to Tiki IMO.And yes BJ is an FA after this yr; I believe. Never know... AB could be the starter in 09.

 
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I am torn on this one also, I know he will be there at 1.09, not sure if I would pull the trigger there as of now...
wow.. I much higher on him than mostI would take Bradshaw after the big 3.. hes in a very good situation and we know his role right now.

K Smith and Forte: yeah, their #1 RB on their teams... but those are some bad running teams.

I was able to trade 2.01 for Bradshaw earlier this yr.
what is his role? Has Bradshaw locked up the backup spot? I thought that hasn't been figured out yet but I could be wrong. maybe I missed something...I know jacobs is waiting for a new deal and they will probably give him one I would think.
Offically... NO. But, when Ward was out, the NYG Running Game didn't miss a beat and AB was impressive in the play-off. Bradshaw is very similar to Tiki IMO.And yes BJ is an FA after this yr; I believe. Never know... AB could be the starter in 09.
yea thats what had me thinking about him since the super bowl, that and jacobs is a walking injury. Ward seemed just as good as him though and jacobs was good also when not hurt, thats my problem with him even at 1.09 I guess. Maybe I'll warm up more to him more come august.
 
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Well, you can look at how well Bradshaw played when he finally got his start, but let's not forget how well Ward played, week after week. I'd have to think Ward's going to be the primary backup in NY, not Bradshaw. Unless you have Jacobs/Ward or are *really* set at WR, I'd think first round would be a bit of a reach, honestly.

In some ways, I think Bradshaw is the Bizarro Pierre Thomas. He might end up right back where he started because of how well the other guys did when healthy. On the flip side, in New Orleans, I think Pierre Thomas has an opportunity because of how unimpressive Bush was as a feature back.

 
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Well, you can look at how well Bradshaw played when he finally got his start, but let's not forget how well Ward played, week after week. I'd have to think Ward's going to be the primary backup in NY, not Bradshaw. Unless you have Jacobs/Ward or are *really* set at WR, I'd think first round would be a bit of a reach, honestly.

In some ways, I think Bradshaw is the Bizarro Pierre Thomas. He might end up right back where he started because of how well the other guys did when healthy. On the flip side, in New Orleans, I think Pierre Thomas has an opportunity because of how unimpressive Bush was as a feature back.
I don't believe any of the WR's are worth a 1st round pick, maybe Hardy, but they're so muddled together I believe selecting another position and looking for a WR in round 2 would be much better than taking a WR late round 1 and looking for that other position in round 2.
 
In some ways, I think Bradshaw is the Bizarro Pierre Thomas. He might end up right back where he started because of how well the other guys did when healthy. On the flip side, in New Orleans, I think Pierre Thomas has an opportunity because of how unimpressive Bush was as a feature back.
That's a coincidence, because in the league where I took Bradshaw at 1:08 I've just taken Thomas at 2:08. I am loaded at WR but very thin at RB in this league, but in any case I think I have drafted for value in both cases; as a general rule, I think free agent veterans tend to be a little under-rated compared with rookies in dynasty drafts.
 
I like him after C.Johnson.

Right about 6/7 in round 1

What if Aaron Rogers is available in the FA/Rookie pool
I was wondering this myself. Rogers is available in our rookie f/a draft. I would think if he shows a command of the offense in the preseason he should fall in the 4-7 range.
 
I liken him to Michael Turner when he was with the Chargers. Change of pace, role-playing, mainly garbage-time, handcuff RB who won't produce consistently unless Jacobs gets hurt. I nearly picked him up as an UFA early last season but I simply didn't have the room. He's not really worth much IMO unless you're a Jacobs owner.

 
In some ways, I think Bradshaw is the Bizarro Pierre Thomas. He might end up right back where he started because of how well the other guys did when healthy. On the flip side, in New Orleans, I think Pierre Thomas has an opportunity because of how unimpressive Bush was as a feature back.
That's a coincidence, because in the league where I took Bradshaw at 1:08 I've just taken Thomas at 2:08. I am loaded at WR but very thin at RB in this league, but in any case I think I have drafted for value in both cases; as a general rule, I think free agent veterans tend to be a little under-rated compared with rookies in dynasty drafts.
I think you're right in that free agent veterans tend to be under-rated. They're so under-rated in most leagues you can get them late. I got Thomas at 5:09 in my rookie draft. But we use IDP so rounds 2-3 typically tend to be a mix of rookie WRs/QBs/LBs and the free agents don't even get noticed at all until late 4th early 5th usually.Your mileage may vary, and it's certainly not a bad move to pick up Bradshaw and stash him. I just don't like his chances as much as I like Thomas's and I'd be worried about overpaying for him. I think that the determination about whether you overpayed is determined by scoring, roster size, starting requirements, and the tendencies of fellow owners in your league. But I'm not as inclined to believe the hype on Bradshaw and risk it, personally.
 
I think even considering him in the first round is a huge stretch. I can maybe see low second. I drafted him at 4.8 (32nd overall) and this is in a league where we have 10 teams with 42 players per team including IDPs. I thougth he should have gone about a round higher.

In a rookie/free agent draft he should be between the 18th - 25th player taken.....IMO.

 
I feel that Bradshaw is a gamble worth taking. First off anyone who has watched him playknows that despite his small stature, he runs with alot of authority. He has game breaking speed and can catch the ball. The Giants are the New Broncos. It is the the best system in the NFL to produce in the running game. I see a strong chance that he can be a MJD type with the potential for more down the road. Over Forte and Smith? I am not sure but those teams running attacks are 2nd rate at best. I would draft him 4-7 range depending on developments in the preseason.

 
Judging on the range of comments in this thread, I think Bradshaw is going to be one of, if not THE, most controversial players in FF this season in terms of where he gets taken; there are plenty of people who think he has huge, starting-type potential and plenty of others who see him as just a part-time/change of pace back. I know you can say similar things about a few others, but I bet Bradshaw's draft position will fluctuate more wildly - especially in Dynasty, but also in redrafts - than almost any other RB this summer. Training camp will give some clues, of course, but we may still be a little in the dark come September.

 
I tried to get him as a handcuff for Jacobs and offered 1.12 and Reggie Williams (JAC) and was taken down.

It is a TD-havy league where Williams ranked 11th last season.

In other leagues with the same scoring system he went at 1.11 and 2.03

 
If Bradshaw is only Jacobs' handcuff, or only a change of pace back, then he doesn't have much value. Kevin Faulk plays a not dissimilar role in NE and he is virtually worthless.

On the other hand, he does have enormous potential if, rather like Tiki emerged as a much better back than Dayne, he emerges as a better back than Jacobs and steals the starting job.

Seeing him in the playoffs I was really impressed, he looked really explosive.

 
I am very surprised to see Bradshaw available in dyno's, unless they're relatively shallow ones.
He was a seventh-round pick who had only six carries prior to his big game in week 16, by which time most Dynasty leagues would have ceased free-agent pick-ups.
You've got to look ahead. Was sitting nicely on my roster by late November last year. By the way I would pick him ahead Mendehall as you will see a quicker return on your investment, Bradshaw will be the starting running back in NY by mid season. Think the next Tiki Barber.
 
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Judging on the range of comments in this thread, I think Bradshaw is going to be one of, if not THE, most controversial players in FF this season in terms of where he gets taken; there are plenty of people who think he has huge, starting-type potential and plenty of others who see him as just a part-time/change of pace back. I know you can say similar things about a few others, but I bet Bradshaw's draft position will fluctuate more wildly - especially in Dynasty, but also in redrafts - than almost any other RB this summer. Training camp will give some clues, of course, but we may still be a little in the dark come September.
Running backs who show promise have always been sought after. Every year we get back-ups who come off the bench and put up teaser numbers. How we slot a player who has been a productive NFL player, all-be-it in a limited role, amongst the latest slew of productive former college players is our yearly dilemma. It's a friggin crap shoot.What will the numbers look like at the end of the year in Oakland, Denver, Tampa, Miami, Seattle, Houston, Tennessee and Dallas? Put the names on a wall and throw a dart at 'em.
 
RB Bradshaw Jailed For Probation Violation

Skip Wood, USA Today - [Full Article]

Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw has been in a Virgina jail cell since June 15 after violating the terms of his probation. Bradshaw was sentenced to two years of probation for misdemeanor petty larceny in 2006 while a student at Marshall University. Details of his most recent arrest are currently unavailable.

 
RB Bradshaw Jailed For Probation ViolationSkip Wood, USA Today - [Full Article]Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw has been in a Virgina jail cell since June 15 after violating the terms of his probation. Bradshaw was sentenced to two years of probation for misdemeanor petty larceny in 2006 while a student at Marshall University. Details of his most recent arrest are currently unavailable.
does this damper the first round enthusiasm? or doesnt it matter at this piont?
 
RB Bradshaw Jailed For Probation ViolationSkip Wood, USA Today - [Full Article]Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw has been in a Virgina jail cell since June 15 after violating the terms of his probation. Bradshaw was sentenced to two years of probation for misdemeanor petty larceny in 2006 while a student at Marshall University. Details of his most recent arrest are currently unavailable.
does this damper the first round enthusiasm? or doesnt it matter at this piont?
Major damper. Bradshaw was a third round talent that fell to the 7th because of character questions, and the fact that no one is being forthcoming about exactly why he's in the jail is troubling. I wonder if the Giants are coming back to the negotiating table with Brandon Jacobs with a different attitude right now.
 
Since his recent developments with the probation violation Reese is said to have him on a very short lease. Hopefully Bradshaw understands that and realizes what an opportunity he has. He was to have told Reese I won't disappoint you and that seemed to be good enough for Reese. He will undoubtedly be under the microscope for a while but I still think he'll be given chances to prove his worth. Doing an initial dynasty draft with a seperate AFC and NFC draft. Kinda like this new draft style. I picked up Bradshaw at 3.12 in the NFC draft right after Kevin Smith(3.10) and Felix Jones(3.11). Given Jacobs bruising style of running I'd take AB right around where KSmith and FJones go. Both of those guys I feel have better chances of having good NFL careers than Bradshaw but AB's still in a good situation for playing time even with Derrick Ward around. I believe his future's bright if he can straighten out his legal situation and focus on football.

 
RB Bradshaw Jailed For Probation ViolationSkip Wood, USA Today - [Full Article]Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw has been in a Virgina jail cell since June 15 after violating the terms of his probation. Bradshaw was sentenced to two years of probation for misdemeanor petty larceny in 2006 while a student at Marshall University. Details of his most recent arrest are currently unavailable.
does this damper the first round enthusiasm? or doesnt it matter at this piont?
Major damper. Bradshaw was a third round talent that fell to the 7th because of character questions, and the fact that no one is being forthcoming about exactly why he's in the jail is troubling. I wonder if the Giants are coming back to the negotiating table with Brandon Jacobs with a different attitude right now.
Sigmund, as a lawyer maybe you have a feel for this that some of us don't. It must be that there are some rights to privacy concerns here or the Giants would be more forth-coming as to the circumstances surrounding this incarceration. If it is true that this is a one month sentence then it appears that it is hardly a situation that warrants such a clandestine approach by the Giants brass and Bradshaw's lawyer.
 
RB Bradshaw Jailed For Probation Violation

Skip Wood, USA Today - [Full Article]

Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw has been in a Virgina jail cell since June 15 after violating the terms of his probation. Bradshaw was sentenced to two years of probation for misdemeanor petty larceny in 2006 while a student at Marshall University. Details of his most recent arrest are currently unavailable.
does this damper the first round enthusiasm? or doesnt it matter at this piont?
Major damper. Bradshaw was a third round talent that fell to the 7th because of character questions, and the fact that no one is being forthcoming about exactly why he's in the jail is troubling. I wonder if the Giants are coming back to the negotiating table with Brandon Jacobs with a different attitude right now.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions. This was something that was pre-arranged and not the result of a new infraction.Lost in translation

ES asked for a translation of the statement by Charles A. Stacy, Ahmad Bradshaw's attorney. I'm sure he's not the only one confused, so here comes my understanding of the situation in plain English:

Bradshaw did something naughty when he was a kid (it's a sealed juvenile thing) and was sentenced to probation by Tazewell County which covers his hometown of Bluefield, Va. Then he went to college (at UVa) and pleaded guilty to the underage drinking thing in 2004. Then he went to another college (Marshall) and was tagged with the petty larceny in 2006. He was sentenced to probation in each of those instances, but apparently those arrests -- not sure if it's either one or the combination of the two -- violated the first probation agreement from when he was a juvenile in Bluefield.

Thus, 30 days behind bars in Abingdon.

Essentially, he's paying for the crimes of his past but has committed no new crimes.

Hope that clears things up.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football...ranslation.html

 

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