Where should Ahmad Bradshaw go... (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

 

[munchkin]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

This makes more sense to me than there is nothing to worry about. I am not going to be cutting Bradshaw any time soon unless something really changes but this would seem to give more value to Ward in that the Giants would be less apt to be counting on a player who has one foot on the proverbial banana peel.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

The prosecutor may have agreed to a postponement given the special circumstances of his football career. Without knowing the specifics of Bradshaw's case, it's all speculation. If this is not the result of some new offense - then he doesn't necessarily have any less "slack in the justice system" than he had before. By all accounts he's kept his nose clean since entering the league.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

This makes more sense to me than there is nothing to worry about. I am not going to be cutting Bradshaw any time soon unless something really changes but this would seem to give more value to Ward in that the Giants would be less apt to be counting on a player who has one foot on the proverbial banana peel.

I don't think it changes anything. He's had his foot on the banana peel the whole time.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

This makes more sense to me than there is nothing to worry about. I am not going to be cutting Bradshaw any time soon unless something really changes but this would seem to give more value to Ward in that the Giants would be less apt to be counting on a player who has one foot on the proverbial banana peel.

I don't think it changes anything. He's had his foot on the banana peel the whole time.

Maybe that has been the case the whole time, but we didnt become aware of it until this latest development. We all knew he had character issues and a record, but we did not know that he had been officially adjudicated as in violation of his probation, or that his probation was a long enough term from his juvenile crime to extend into his adult years, which indicates a much more serious crime than he was charged with in his two college incidents.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

This makes more sense to me than there is nothing to worry about. I am not going to be cutting Bradshaw any time soon unless something really changes but this would seem to give more value to Ward in that the Giants would be less apt to be counting on a player who has one foot on the proverbial banana peel.

I don't think it changes anything. He's had his foot on the banana peel the whole time.

Maybe that has been the case the whole time, but we didnt become aware of it until this latest development. We all knew he had character issues and a record, but we did not know that he had been officially adjudicated as in violation of his probation, or that his probation was a long enough term from his juvenile crime to extend into his adult years, which indicates a much more serious crime than he was charged with in his two college incidents.

Maybe. But if the league and Giants knew this when they drafted him, and he hasn't had any issues since, it really doesn't change anything. All it does is provide further context as to why a kid as talented as he is dropped to the 7th round.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

That sounds kind of fishy to me - my wife is a juvenile prosecutor here in Texas and that system moves VERY quickly. I don't know the law in Virginia, but in Texas, probation stemming from an offense committed as a juvenile expires when the defendant is no longer a juvenile, unless it was a very serious offense. When the defendant does violate probation, it almost never takes two years to four years for the system to sentence them for the violation. No matter what the real story is (I doubt we ever find out), Bradshaw is clearly one misstep away from extended jailtime - his record and the current jailtime he's serving means he's used up all the slack in the justice system.

This makes more sense to me than there is nothing to worry about. I am not going to be cutting Bradshaw any time soon unless something really changes but this would seem to give more value to Ward in that the Giants would be less apt to be counting on a player who has one foot on the proverbial banana peel.

I don't think it changes anything. He's had his foot on the banana peel the whole time.

Maybe that has been the case the whole time, but we didnt become aware of it until this latest development. We all knew he had character issues and a record, but we did not know that he had been officially adjudicated as in violation of his probation, or that his probation was a long enough term from his juvenile crime to extend into his adult years, which indicates a much more serious crime than he was charged with in his two college incidents.

Maybe. But if the league and Giants knew this when they drafted him, and he hasn't had any issues since, it really doesn't change anything. All it does is provide further context as to why a kid as talented as he is dropped to the 7th round.

If Giants had gotten out ahead of this and endorsed Bradshaw, saying exactly what you said, "it doesnt change our view of his future with the team", Id agree, but so far they are silent. I think the bottom line is that we are dealing "maybes" and speculation, which means it could be more innocuous than we think, but it also means that it could be worse than we think. No matter how you slice it, it is not a good thing for Bradshaw to spent 30 days in jail while the rest of the NFL is getting ready for training camp, and its not a good thing for him to have a probation violation on his record, which is something we did not know a few days ago.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

If Giants had gotten out ahead of this and endorsed Bradshaw, saying exactly what you said, "it doesnt change our view of his future with the team", Id agree, but so far they are silent. I think the bottom line is that we are dealing "maybes" and speculation, which means it could be more innocuous than we think, but it also means that it could be worse than we think. No matter how you slice it, it is not a good thing for Bradshaw to spent 30 days in jail while the rest of the NFL is getting ready for training camp, and its not a good thing for him to have a probation violation on his record, which is something we did not know a few days ago.

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

 

[H.K.]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

 

[Burning Sensation]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

 

[H.K.]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

 

[tigershark]

A co-worker of mine is a family friend of Ahmad's and I chatted with him some today so I thought I would pass on to you what he had to say.

First, his history:

Ahmad has had two encounters with the law. The first time as a freshman at UVA(recruited as a CB, BTW) when he was picked up leaving a club with a styrofoam cup containing alcohol. He was charged with underage drinking and resisting arrest(I think he may have run from police). He received probation. The second time involves the alleged theft of a game system while at Marshall. A friend had told him he could borrow his PSP, when Ahmad went into his friend's dorm room to borrow the PSP, he picked up a PSP belonging to the friend's roommate. The roommate called campus security. They eventually realized what had happened but campus security called the police anyway. The police did not charge him but this incident somehow violated probation.

Apparently, his attorney has been postponing dealing with the violation although I understand Ahmad would have liked to handle it sooner. He is currently serving 30 days of a 60 day sentence that he will complete next offseason. He went in without telling coaches, teammates and the media hoping to quietly serve his time and put it behind him. This possibility was known to the Giants when they drafted him last year. He has been keeping a team representative up to date. That is one reason no one has a comment.

As for now, he is lifting weights and running daily and is using this time to get more prepared for training camp.

Again, this is from a family friend. I have never talked with Ahmad.

 

[Chunky Soup]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

 

[Portis 26]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

 

[Chunky Soup]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

PM HK for more info.

 

[H.K.]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

PM HK for more info.

I said Jacobs would lose his job to Droughns last pre-season, but he lost the goal line duty to him instead. Bradshaw will take it all this year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

PM HK for more info.

I said Jacobs would lose his job to Droughns last pre-season, but he lost the goal line duty to him instead. Bradshaw will take it all this year.

What do you base this on?

 

[H.K.]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

PM HK for more info.

I said Jacobs would lose his job to Droughns last pre-season, but he lost the goal line duty to him instead. Bradshaw will take it all this year.

What do you base this on?

Bradshaw outperformed Jacobs in every similar situation last season. Check out their respective YPC's against the same competition and similar workload (playoffs and Buffalo)....Bradshaw crushed him. He's better, and it's not close..

 

[Burning Sensation]

The Giants did make a statement yesterday: "This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants". Nothing has changed. Their endorsement is, he's still on the team. Beyond that, it's really not their place to respond. Especially if this relates to a sealed incident that occurred while he was a juvenile.

The Giants are not going to lose their best RB over this thing. Bradshaw gave them a Lombardi trophy, and they know it. Even if he got in trouble the day after he is released, the Giants won't do anything. They need him too much.

If he is so good, why didnt the Giants give him more touches?

Good question, probably only the Giants can answer it. However, they eventually figured out that they were more succesful when they gave him the ball. He certainly was much more involved late in the year when you consider that the first 14 games he had seven touches, then the final five games he had 71. I'd call that a positive trend.

I thought Reuben Droughns was the workhorse for the NYG. Why should I put any faith in Bradshaw.

Am I missing out on some irony here?

PM HK for more info.

I said Jacobs would lose his job to Droughns last pre-season, but he lost the goal line duty to him instead. Bradshaw will take it all this year.

What do you base this on?

Bradshaw outperformed Jacobs in every similar situation last season. Check out their respective YPC's against the same competition and similar workload (playoffs and Buffalo)....Bradshaw crushed him. He's better, and it's not close..

Jennings outperformed Driver in every similar situation last season. Check out their respective YPC's against the same competition and similar workload (playoffs and regular season)....Jennings crushed him. He's better, and it's not close..Please explain the difference.

For what its worth, i agree with you about Bradshaw.

 

[H.K.]

Jennings outperformed Driver in every similar situation last season. Check out their respective YPC's against the same competition and similar workload (playoffs and regular season)....Jennings crushed him. He's better, and it's not close..Please explain the difference.For what its worth, i agree with you about Bradshaw.

Oh...I see what you did there. FWIW - workload was similar because both were starters, can't make the same comparison for RB and WR.Targets - Advantage DriverReceptions - Advantage DriverYards - Advantage DriverTDS - Advantage Jennings

 

[Burning Sensation]

Jennings outperformed Driver in every similar situation last season. Check out their respective YPC's against the same competition and similar workload (playoffs and regular season)....Jennings crushed him. He's better, and it's not close..Please explain the difference.For what its worth, i agree with you about Bradshaw.

Oh...I see what you did there. FWIW - workload was similar because both were starters, can't make the same comparison for RB and WR.Targets - Advantage DriverReceptions - Advantage DriverYards - Advantage DriverTDS - Advantage Jennings

As Jacobs had more touches, yards and TD's than Bradshaw. Difference being is Bradshaw did more and looked better with his. Same as Jennings/Driver. You pointed out Bradshaws YPC when giving facts on which RB was better, why not the same for Jennings/Driver?

 

[H.K.]

As Jacobs had more touches, yards and TD's than Bradshaw. Difference being is Bradshaw did more and looked better with his. Same as Jennings/Driver. You pointed out Bradshaws YPC when giving facts on which RB was better, why not the same for Jennings/Driver?

Oh, come on. Their positions are not the same. Jennings and Driver were both on the field at the same time and Driver was used more than Jennings....there is no comparison between RB's and WR's in this discussion. It's apples and oranges. It's been fun, but this thread is about Bradshaw. Hijack over, and my apologies to the board.

 

[Burning Sensation]

As Jacobs had more touches, yards and TD's than Bradshaw. Difference being is Bradshaw did more and looked better with his. Same as Jennings/Driver. You pointed out Bradshaws YPC when giving facts on which RB was better, why not the same for Jennings/Driver?

Oh, come on. Their positions are not the same. Jennings and Driver were both on the field at the same time and Driver was used more than Jennings....there is no comparison between RB's and WR's in this discussion. It's apples and oranges. It's been fun, but this thread is about Bradshaw. Hijack over, and my apologies to the board.

OK, if Bradshaw is clearly better than Jacobs, how come Jacobs got more carries in the playoffs?

 

[H.K.]

As Jacobs had more touches, yards and TD's than Bradshaw. Difference being is Bradshaw did more and looked better with his. Same as Jennings/Driver. You pointed out Bradshaws YPC when giving facts on which RB was better, why not the same for Jennings/Driver?

Oh, come on. Their positions are not the same. Jennings and Driver were both on the field at the same time and Driver was used more than Jennings....there is no comparison between RB's and WR's in this discussion. It's apples and oranges. It's been fun, but this thread is about Bradshaw. Hijack over, and my apologies to the board.

OK, if Bradshaw is clearly better than Jacobs, how come Jacobs got more carries in the playoffs?

I don't know. Coughlin is probably the best guy to ask...maybe when it comes to crunch time he loves 3.2 YPC playoff RB's who dropped more passes than anyone else on the team during the season?

 

[omahabrad]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

 

[Chunky Soup]

As Jacobs had more touches, yards and TD's than Bradshaw. Difference being is Bradshaw did more and looked better with his. Same as Jennings/Driver. You pointed out Bradshaws YPC when giving facts on which RB was better, why not the same for Jennings/Driver?

Oh, come on. Their positions are not the same. Jennings and Driver were both on the field at the same time and Driver was used more than Jennings....there is no comparison between RB's and WR's in this discussion. It's apples and oranges. It's been fun, but this thread is about Bradshaw. Hijack over, and my apologies to the board.

OK, if Bradshaw is clearly better than Jacobs, how come Jacobs got more carries in the playoffs?

I don't know. Coughlin is probably the best guy to ask...maybe when it comes to crunch time he loves 3.2 YPC playoff RB's who dropped more passes than anyone else on the team during the season?

Yes, because you can use Bradshaw's 23 carries to assume that he is "clearly better" than Jacobs. Let's talk statistical significance, because we know you like statistics...

 

[Penguin]

A co-worker of mine is a family friend of Ahmad's and I chatted with him some today so I thought I would pass on to you what he had to say.First, his history:Ahmad has had two encounters with the law. The first time as a freshman at UVA(recruited as a CB, BTW) when he was picked up leaving a club with a styrofoam cup containing alcohol. He was charged with underage drinking and resisting arrest(I think he may have run from police). He received probation. The second time involves the alleged theft of a game system while at Marshall. A friend had told him he could borrow his PSP, when Ahmad went into his friend's dorm room to borrow the PSP, he picked up a PSP belonging to the friend's roommate. The roommate called campus security. They eventually realized what had happened but campus security called the police anyway. The police did not charge him but this incident somehow violated probation. Apparently, his attorney has been postponing dealing with the violation although I understand Ahmad would have liked to handle it sooner. He is currently serving 30 days of a 60 day sentence that he will complete next offseason. He went in without telling coaches, teammates and the media hoping to quietly serve his time and put it behind him. This possibility was known to the Giants when they drafted him last year. He has been keeping a team representative up to date. That is one reason no one has a comment. As for now, he is lifting weights and running daily and is using this time to get more prepared for training camp. Again, this is from a family friend. I have never talked with Ahmad.

This seems suspicious. As a minor he walks out of a club with a cup of beer and apparently gets probation. While on probation he has a misunderstanding about a PSP and he ends up getting sentenced to 30-60 days in jail?

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

 

[H.K.]

Winning trumps all in the NFL.

The Giants went 5-0 with Bradshaw in the rotation, four of those wins in the playoffs against their best competition (on the road, too).

 

[Burning Sensation]

Winning trumps all in the NFL.

The Giants went 5-0 with Bradshaw in the rotation, four of those wins in the playoffs against their best competition (on the road, too).

That was done with Jacobs getting more carries as well, so why would the Giants not stick with what works?

 

[omahabrad]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

 

[RoyDubb]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

reason why ppl are so high on him is not just on his stats, it's how he looked on the field running the ball. For redraft, yes you're right Ward may be better, but for dynasty, Bradshaw is the pick.

 

[RoyDubb]

Winning trumps all in the NFL.

The Giants went 5-0 with Bradshaw in the rotation, four of those wins in the playoffs against their best competition (on the road, too).

That was done with Jacobs getting more carries as well, so why would the Giants not stick with what works?

I think Giants will definitely stick with Jacobs/Bradshaw splitting carries. I think the Bradshaw camp are just saying they wont be surprised if Bradshaw becomes the main guy in the RBBC since they believe he is the better RB, stats-wise from the 5 games they both got carries, and on how he just looked on the field with his power/vision/instincts.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

It would be a better argument if he went from 5 YPC to 1 YPC. However, after taking out his long run, he still averages more YPC than most RB's in the league. I like him based on what I see. The guy does everything well. He reminds me alot of Brian Westbrook, who had much of the same negatives said about him as Bradshaw does. He may not be the receiver Westbrook is, but i think his running style/skills are very similar.

 

[omahabrad]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

reason why ppl are so high on him is not just on his stats, it's how he looked on the field running the ball. For redraft, yes you're right Ward may be better, but for dynasty, Bradshaw is the pick.

OK, I understand that. How much of a factor is him having fresh legs play into it? Talking about him only having 23 carries over 12 games is a light work load. I'm not trying to be sarcastic just curious about what people see in him.

 

[tigershark]

A co-worker of mine is a family friend of Ahmad's and I chatted with him some today so I thought I would pass on to you what he had to say.First, his history:Ahmad has had two encounters with the law. The first time as a freshman at UVA(recruited as a CB, BTW) when he was picked up leaving a club with a styrofoam cup containing alcohol. He was charged with underage drinking and resisting arrest(I think he may have run from police). He received probation. The second time involves the alleged theft of a game system while at Marshall. A friend had told him he could borrow his PSP, when Ahmad went into his friend's dorm room to borrow the PSP, he picked up a PSP belonging to the friend's roommate. The roommate called campus security. They eventually realized what had happened but campus security called the police anyway. The police did not charge him but this incident somehow violated probation. Apparently, his attorney has been postponing dealing with the violation although I understand Ahmad would have liked to handle it sooner. He is currently serving 30 days of a 60 day sentence that he will complete next offseason. He went in without telling coaches, teammates and the media hoping to quietly serve his time and put it behind him. This possibility was known to the Giants when they drafted him last year. He has been keeping a team representative up to date. That is one reason no one has a comment. As for now, he is lifting weights and running daily and is using this time to get more prepared for training camp. Again, this is from a family friend. I have never talked with Ahmad.

This seems suspicious. As a minor he walks out of a club with a cup of beer and apparently gets probation. While on probation he has a misunderstanding about a PSP and he ends up getting sentenced to 30-60 days in jail?

The probation was for the drinking and resisting arrest. I am not an authority on the law, but if you don't have a great attorney and the D.A is really aggressive, couldn't that contribute to a harsher penalty?

 

[Portis 26]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

Westbrook AND Barber comparisons? Big difference here. Barber had 130 carries in his first year through 12 games (511 yards). Tiki then had a 1000 and an 800 yard season when people were disputing whether he'd be a scat back or a full time back. Bradshaw had 23 carries in his first season, are we really having this discussion right now? Tiki was also a second round pick while Bradshaw was a 7th -- big difference in expectations.

Bradshaw is also behind a 100 yard, 25 year old RB.

To consider the same for Bradshaw at this point is crazy. Not that it can't happen, but the chances seem very low.

 

[munchkin]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

Westbrook AND Barber comparisons? Big difference here. Barber had 130 carries in his first year through 12 games (511 yards). Tiki then had a 1000 and an 800 yard season when people were disputing whether he'd be a scat back or a full time back. Bradshaw had 23 carries in his first season, are we really having this discussion right now? Tiki was also a second round pick while Bradshaw was a 7th -- big difference in expectations.

Bradshaw is also behind a 100 yard, 25 year old RB.

To consider the same for Bradshaw at this point is crazy. Not that it can't happen, but the chances seem very low.

Tiki Barbers stats his first 5 years in the league:1997 22 NYG 12 6 136 511 3 42 3.8

1998 23 NYG 16 4 52 166 0 23 3.2

1999 24 NYG 16 1 62 258 0 30 4.2

2000 25 NYG 16 12 213 1006 8 8 4.7

2001 26 NYG 14 9 166 865 4 36 5.2

He didn't have a 1,000 + yard season until his 4 th year. I don't think he lived up to expectations very well in his first three years either.

 

[Portis 26]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

Westbrook AND Barber comparisons? Big difference here. Barber had 130 carries in his first year through 12 games (511 yards). Tiki then had a 1000 and an 800 yard season when people were disputing whether he'd be a scat back or a full time back. Bradshaw had 23 carries in his first season, are we really having this discussion right now? Tiki was also a second round pick while Bradshaw was a 7th -- big difference in expectations.

Bradshaw is also behind a 100 yard, 25 year old RB.

To consider the same for Bradshaw at this point is crazy. Not that it can't happen, but the chances seem very low.

Tiki Barbers stats his first 5 years in the league:1997 22 NYG 12 6 136 511 3 42 3.8

1998 23 NYG 16 4 52 166 0 23 3.2

1999 24 NYG 16 1 62 258 0 30 4.2

2000 25 NYG 16 12 213 1006 8 8 4.7

2001 26 NYG 14 9 166 865 4 36 5.2

He didn't have a 1,000 + yard season until his 4 th year. I don't think he lived up to expectations very well in his first three years either.

Westbrook didn't have a 1000 yard season his first four seasons, and only had 193 his first season.2005 Philadelphia Eagles 12 156 13.0 617 4.0 51.4 3 31 27 17.3 5 0 0

2004 Philadelphia Eagles 13 177 13.6 812 4.6 62.5 3 50 38 21.5 7 2 0

2003 Philadelphia Eagles 15 117 7.8 613 5.2 40.9 7 62T 27 23.1 6 1 0

2002 Philadelphia Eagles 15 46 3.1 193 4.2 12.9 0 18 11 23.9 0 0 1

 

[Bri]

I have a Q for you guys commenting on his recent yet not so recent case- Can Goodell NOT suspend him and still uphold the standards he's trying to set?

 

[Bri]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

reason why ppl are so high on him is not just on his stats, it's how he looked on the field running the ball. For redraft, yes you're right Ward may be better, but for dynasty, Bradshaw is the pick.

OK, I understand that. How much of a factor is him having fresh legs play into it? Talking about him only having 23 carries over 12 games is a light work load. I'm not trying to be sarcastic just curious about what people see in him.

I don't think anything dramatic will change. Bradshaw fans can probably expect him to get more 4th quarter work. Coughlin has stated and proven that he likes to run a big back first and wear down the D(Jacobs or Ward). It's worked well for them and there's no reason to change. The Gmen have two big backs that can start in Ward and Jacobs so any injury concern is remedied by their depth.Reuben Droughns seems like too many RBs as the 5th back(counting FB) but, he's real useful having played FB and RB well in the NFL. He should still be a Giant despite the #s. He too is a bigger back.

Bradshaw is supposed to come in and be the back that Ds are too worn down to deal with. I think it's a good NFL theory/system but not necessarily good for FF.

IF Bradshaw does very well, he might for Coughlin's hand to play him alot, earlier in the game, but that'll take some time to prove. I think some are getting a little too excited over Bradshaw and need to temper their expectations a smidge.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

Westbrook AND Barber comparisons? Big difference here. Barber had 130 carries in his first year through 12 games (511 yards). Tiki then had a 1000 and an 800 yard season when people were disputing whether he'd be a scat back or a full time back. Bradshaw had 23 carries in his first season, are we really having this discussion right now? Tiki was also a second round pick while Bradshaw was a 7th -- big difference in expectations.

Bradshaw is also behind a 100 yard, 25 year old RB.

To consider the same for Bradshaw at this point is crazy. Not that it can't happen, but the chances seem very low.

Tiki Barbers stats his first 5 years in the league:1997 22 NYG 12 6 136 511 3 42 3.8

1998 23 NYG 16 4 52 166 0 23 3.2

1999 24 NYG 16 1 62 258 0 30 4.2

2000 25 NYG 16 12 213 1006 8 8 4.7

2001 26 NYG 14 9 166 865 4 36 5.2

He didn't have a 1,000 + yard season until his 4 th year. I don't think he lived up to expectations very well in his first three years either.

Westbrook didn't have a 1000 yard season his first four seasons, and only had 193 his first season.2005 Philadelphia Eagles 12 156 13.0 617 4.0 51.4 3 31 27 17.3 5 0 0

2004 Philadelphia Eagles 13 177 13.6 812 4.6 62.5 3 50 38 21.5 7 2 0

2003 Philadelphia Eagles 15 117 7.8 613 5.2 40.9 7 62T 27 23.1 6 1 0

2002 Philadelphia Eagles 15 46 3.1 193 4.2 12.9 0 18 11 23.9 0 0 1

My point with Barber was that we were discussing his ability to be a starter, or be "real good" even after he had a 500 yard rookie season. Are we really going to have the same discussion about Bradshaw after 23 carries? Tiki also had more hype, a second round pick with the following credentials:

Barber attended the University of Virginia with his brother Ronde and played for the varsity football team, gaining 4,883 all-purpose yards at running back. His 3,389 rushing yards on 651 attempts places him second only to Thomas Jones' 3,998 yards on 809. His all-purpose yardage also ranked him second all-time after Frank Quayle. He was the first player in school history to rush over 1,000 yards in back-to-back seasons, setting the top two single-season school records in 1995 and 1996 of 1,397 and 1,360 yards, respectively. He rushed for 100 yards or more nineteen times during his college career. During his record-setting 1995 season he was named a finalist for the Doak Walker Award, given to the nation’s top running back. He continued running track in college as well, lettering three times. He tied the school long jump record of 24 feet 6 inches on his first attempt

Westbrook had a lot more hype coming out of school. There was a basis for the fantasy football and real football hype. Westbrook was from a small school and still garnered a 3rd round pick. FWIW:

He became the only player in I-AA history to score 160 or more points twice in a career and the first player in the history of college football at any level with 1,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving yards in one season (1998). He is one of only two players in Villanova history to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season and he accomplished that feat three times.

What I'm saying is that the expectations for Bradshaw are not justified whatsoever by performance -- Barber and Westbrook had a lot to go off of. You're probably trying to catch this back that has similar size/game to these two before he takes off. Barber and Westbrook started somewhat slow you could say. However, at this point in their career they had a lot more promise. It'd take a lot for Bradshaw to take off (a lot more than it did Westbrook or Barber a year in.) Don't compare Bradshaw to these two because he has a lot more to prove.

 

[Portis 26]

I don't understand why so much love for Bradshaw. Ya he had an 8.6 ypc in the regular season but take out an 88 yd run and he comes down to a 4.6 ypc. He did well in the post season but wasn't spectacular. I have him ranked right behind Pierre Thomas(who had better stats). I think people are over spending on him, when they can claim Thomas off waivers in most leagues. Trust me if Bradshaw was better than Jacobs he definately would be starting, Winning trumps all in the NFL.

Oh, so after taking out his long run, he only averaged 4.6? Thats the best argument you can come up with against him?

My question is why are you so high on him? I just don't see it. What's his role going to be? Starter? Backup? 3rd down Back? Short yardage/Goal RB? I see Ward being the back you should want after Jacobs. When you take out 1 long run and a guys ypc drops 4 yards I think it's a pretty good argument.

This is exactly what people used to say about Tiki Barber. They'd say he was only a change of pace/3rd down back, and look what happened to him. He became one of the top RBs in fantasy. Is this going to happen for sure to Bradshaw? Of course not. But is there a chance he could be really good? Yeah, I think there is.

Westbrook AND Barber comparisons? Big difference here. Barber had 130 carries in his first year through 12 games (511 yards). Tiki then had a 1000 and an 800 yard season when people were disputing whether he'd be a scat back or a full time back. Bradshaw had 23 carries in his first season, are we really having this discussion right now? Tiki was also a second round pick while Bradshaw was a 7th -- big difference in expectations.

Bradshaw is also behind a 100 yard, 25 year old RB.

To consider the same for Bradshaw at this point is crazy. Not that it can't happen, but the chances seem very low.

Tiki Barbers stats his first 5 years in the league:1997 22 NYG 12 6 136 511 3 42 3.8

1998 23 NYG 16 4 52 166 0 23 3.2

1999 24 NYG 16 1 62 258 0 30 4.2

2000 25 NYG 16 12 213 1006 8 8 4.7

2001 26 NYG 14 9 166 865 4 36 5.2

He didn't have a 1,000 + yard season until his 4 th year. I don't think he lived up to expectations very well in his first three years either.

Westbrook didn't have a 1000 yard season his first four seasons, and only had 193 his first season.2005 Philadelphia Eagles 12 156 13.0 617 4.0 51.4 3 31 27 17.3 5 0 0

2004 Philadelphia Eagles 13 177 13.6 812 4.6 62.5 3 50 38 21.5 7 2 0

2003 Philadelphia Eagles 15 117 7.8 613 5.2 40.9 7 62T 27 23.1 6 1 0

2002 Philadelphia Eagles 15 46 3.1 193 4.2 12.9 0 18 11 23.9 0 0 1

My point with Barber was that we were discussing his ability to be a starter, or be "real good" even after he had a 500 yard rookie season. Are we really going to have the same discussion about Bradshaw after 23 carries? Tiki also had more hype, a second round pick with the following credentials:

Barber attended the University of Virginia with his brother Ronde and played for the varsity football team, gaining 4,883 all-purpose yards at running back. His 3,389 rushing yards on 651 attempts places him second only to Thomas Jones' 3,998 yards on 809. His all-purpose yardage also ranked him second all-time after Frank Quayle. He was the first player in school history to rush over 1,000 yards in back-to-back seasons, setting the top two single-season school records in 1995 and 1996 of 1,397 and 1,360 yards, respectively. He rushed for 100 yards or more nineteen times during his college career. During his record-setting 1995 season he was named a finalist for the Doak Walker Award, given to the nation’s top running back. He continued running track in college as well, lettering three times. He tied the school long jump record of 24 feet 6 inches on his first attempt

Westbrook had a lot more hype coming out of school. There was a basis for the fantasy football and real football hype. Westbrook was from a small school and still garnered a 3rd round pick. FWIW:

He became the only player in I-AA history to score 160 or more points twice in a career and the first player in the history of college football at any level with 1,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving yards in one season (1998). He is one of only two players in Villanova history to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season and he accomplished that feat three times.

What I'm saying is that the expectations for Bradshaw are not justified whatsoever by performance -- Barber and Westbrook had a lot to go off of. You're probably trying to catch this back that has similar size/game to these two before he takes off. Barber and Westbrook started somewhat slow you could say. However, at this point in their career they had a lot more promise. It'd take a lot for Bradshaw to take off (a lot more than it did Westbrook or Barber a year in.) Don't compare Bradshaw to these two because he has a lot more to prove.

What does where a player was drafted have to do with it? Priest Holmes was an undrafted FA and Curtis Enis was a 1st round pick - so what?The question is how good the player is, and from what I saw of Bradford in the playoffs, he looks pretty good to me. I'm not putting him in the same class as Westbrook or Barber yet. What I am saying is there is the potential there.

 

[Bri]

The question is how good the player is, and from what I saw of Bradford in the playoffs, he looks pretty good to me. I'm not putting him in the same class as Westbrook or Barber yet. What I am saying is there is the potential there.

Rolling with your comparison:Just to throw a monkey wrench in here. I don't think the Giants current Oline could block extremely well for Tiki now, nevermind Bradshaw. Their previous linemen could really move their feet and needed to get some blocks outside. They're geared more toward bulldozing now. In fact I think if you google, Tiki said something along these lines when asked if he'd come back early in 07.

 

[H.K.]

Winning trumps all in the NFL.

The Giants went 5-0 with Bradshaw in the rotation, four of those wins in the playoffs against their best competition (on the road, too).

That was done with Jacobs getting more carries as well, so why would the Giants not stick with what works?

I think Giants will definitely stick with Jacobs/Bradshaw splitting carries. I think the Bradshaw camp are just saying they wont be surprised if Bradshaw becomes the main guy in the RBBC since they believe he is the better RB, stats-wise from the 5 games they both got carries, and on how he just looked on the field with his power/vision/instincts.

The bolded part is correct. The Giants played their best ball of the year when Bradshaw was being utilized, there was a direct correlation to his emergence and their success. I posted this in another thread, but the other key item about Bradshaw was that the Giants used him late in their playoff games (TB & GB are good examples) instead of Jacobs. That spoke volumes.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I have a Q for you guys commenting on his recent yet not so recent case- Can Goodell NOT suspend him and still uphold the standards he's trying to set?

If this was truly before the league's pre-draft process... I doubt the NFL does anything. Why would they do that, what would that prove. "Hey, we realize that u caused some trouble a yr before we hired you; but now we're going to fine you for it."

 

[BigJim®]

Ok, I have to know if anyone else had a heart-attack this morning going to PFT and reading the headline "BRADSHAW ADMITS TO STEROID USE" [story about Terry Bradshaw]