Where would the Vikings be.... (1 Viewer)

[Sudsy]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'s

Had jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least and average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?

As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

 

[Todem]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.

Come on man.

 

[Sudsy]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.Come on man.

True. Teams have made that game before with a great running game, good defense, average but effective Q.B., and great recievers. This year Jackson would have another season under his belt and might even be slightly above average. Add to it that Favre will have taken up 33 million in salary last year and this and the Vikes could have extended some key contracts and maybe added a free agrent or two.I understand taking your shot while you think you have it. I just think they had a shot had they gone the other direction and that they might have extended their window a little.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.

Come on man.

True. Teams have made that game before with a great running game, good defense, average but effective Q.B., and great recievers. This year Jackson would have another season under his belt and might even be slightly above average. Add to it that Favre will have taken up 33 million in salary last year and this and the Vikes could have extended some key contracts and maybe added a free agrent or two.

I understand taking your shot while you think you have it. I just think they had a shot had they gone the other direction and that they might have extended their window a little.

Definitely disagree. I'm not sure their record would be any better this year, either. Heck, if they had just stuck with Jackson, Rosenfels might be the starter by now. It's possible they would have let their coach go by now, so that would be a positive.

 

[Tchula]

Agreed. They'd be in a better position because they'd be hunting for a new head coach already.

 

[NJJets]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.Come on man.

If Farve hadn't had such an insane season last year the Vikes might have been better this year with TJ at QB (at least they'd know much more about him by now)

 

[NJJets]

Agreed. They'd be in a better position because they'd be hunting for a new head coach already.

Chilly made such a mess of the team this year that IMHO not even a new HC would help

 

[DropKick]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'s

Had jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least and average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?

As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

When I've seen TJ play, I'd say the light was off too. Problem is that you need it "on".I think Jackson wasn't ready last year and the talented Vikings were just a good QB shy of being a legit SB contender.

Favre had a tremendous year. Can't blame them for trying again. Losing Rice didn't help... and letting Favre waltz in last minute was a major error. They should have had Fave committed to the season much earlier or moved on without him given the uncertainty and the questions about Favre's health (ankle).

 

[Gopher State]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'sHad jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least and average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

Well the Vikings attempted to trade Jackson in the off season 0 teams were interested so I would say the Vikings would still be seeking their first win this season. By the way how many playoff games as Rogers won for the packers, cricket circket If TT would of traded for a RB the packers would be a the superbowl hunt this year, but as a Viking fan, I love it.

 

[Warrior]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

 

[Sudsy]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'sHad jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least an average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

Well the Vikings attempted to trade Jackson in the off season 0 teams were interested so I would say the Vikings would still be seeking their first win this season. By the way how many playoff games as Rogers won for the packers, cricket circket If TT would of traded for a RB the packers would be a the superbowl hunt this year, but as a Viking fan, I love it.

I was not lookiing to be critical of the Vikings. Just trying to understand the Jackson hate there. Seems no one gives him a chance, and I do remember him having growing pains, but not to the extent that he is viewed so poorly. I thought he came on beautifully and might have been something with some growth. That you choose to turn what was not a derogatory post into some sort of chldish slap fight is instructive, but not real productive. BTW you could not be more wrong about R.B. Yes the Packers lost Grant, but they were far from a R.B. from the Superbowl given their injuries on the D-line and at L.B. Those needs were far more pressing. The Packers are begining to regain some health but are so thin now at several positions that I do not see them being able to make much noise, but who can say.

 

[Sudsy]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Did you think that was my point?BTW, and since you raise it would you really argue they are not. See Favre is not just a player, he is a package that includes problems. He raised doubt that made future planning nearly impossible. Had he stayed the Packers would likely have lost Rogers. There is no doubt that long term they are better off, just ask any team that has had to look for Q.B.'s for years or even generations how nice it is to have a Q.B. with the production and future potential of Rodgers. Hell the rest of the Division has looked for years for just that.Keepeing Favre, and keeping him happy, meant acquiesing to him running the team and having no future plans at Q.B. Nope I am plenty pleased with Rogers. Had Favre been a team guy, committed wholehearted to the Packers and to the future the packers would never have had to have drafted Rogers. Favre's own actions caused the dilemna.Rogers is a top five talent with many yearws to play. It is true he has not yet won a playoff game of import, but that will come. Sad that you seek to strike out at the Packers when the O.P. was not meant to strike out at you or your team, it was just a discusion.

 

[Gopher State]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Did you think that was my point?BTW, and since you raise it would you really argue they are not. See Favre is not just a player, he is a package that includes problems. He raised doubt that made future planning nearly impossible. Had he stayed the Packers would likely have lost Rogers. There is no doubt that long term they are better off, just ask any team that has had to look for Q.B.'s for years or even generations how nice it is to have a Q.B. with the production and future potential of Rodgers. Hell the rest of the Division has looked for years for just that.Keepeing Favre, and keeping him happy, meant acquiesing to him running the team and having no future plans at Q.B. Nope I am plenty pleased with Rogers. Had Favre been a team guy, committed wholehearted to the Packers and to the future the packers would never have had to have drafted Rogers. Favre's own actions caused the dilemna.Rogers is a top five talent with many yearws to play. It is true he has not yet won a playoff game of import, but that will come. Sad that you seek to strike out at the Packers when the O.P. was not meant to strike out at you or your team, it was just a discusion.

Another Favre HATER THREAD LOL

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Says the Redskins fan.

 

[Sabertooth]

By the way how many playoff games as Rogers won for the packers, cricket circket If TT would of traded for a RB the packers would be a the superbowl hunt this year, but as a Viking fan, I love it.

Um, they are sitting right at the top of the NFC right now. And that's with 11 players on IR. Make no mistake about it, they are in the hunt. Did you see where they beat the Jets, at home, coming off a bye, while starting a completely makeshift defensive unit? As a Packers fan, I love it.

 

[FUBAR]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Do you really think the Pack is worse off without him? Rodgers has been at the helm for 3 years, and the Pack has a 22-18 (.550) record during that time, in Favre's last 3 years they were 25-23 (.521) Sure a playoff win would be nice, and they should have beaten Arizona in 09, but let's give the guy a little more time before calling him a failure due to lack of playoffs success.

 

[FUBAR]

to answer the OP, I think the only real difference is the Vikings might not need a new QB now, but they probably would.

 

[domvin]

I don't think the Vikings would be any better off, except maybe they would not what they have in Jackson......in that perhaps they would no more if he is stilla potential guy, or the answer to the heir apparent of Favre.

I think Shiancoe would have better numbers, as Jackson had radar lock on him a few years ago, but make no mistake-this Vikings team is a mess.

Their Defense is ranked last in sacks with only 6. They have had a myriad of injuries as well. So, no, I don't think Jackson would have been able to provide a difference in their W/L record, but at least as an organization, they could go into the offseason with a better idea of what their draft needs would have been, ie, QB focus, or address other areas.

Wilf needs a new stadium, and Childress ain't helping him with the curse of 300 hanging over his head like a noose

 

[Sudsy]

IIRC Jackson was a restricted Free Agent this year. If that is correct he will then have options next year. With the way the Vikings have treated him I wonder about his commitment to making a go of it there when Favre is gone next year. I will say he looked pretty effective in relief last week. It was a short look, a peek really, but he looked good.

 

[sho nuff]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'sHad jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least and average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

Well the Vikings attempted to trade Jackson in the off season 0 teams were interested so I would say the Vikings would still be seeking their first win this season. By the way how many playoff games as Rogers won for the packers, cricket circket If TT would of traded for a RB the packers would be a the superbowl hunt this year, but as a Viking fan, I love it.

Like Lynch and his 2.8ypc since the trade?How did that Moss trade work out for you?o

 

[Phurfur]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.Come on man.

They won one more playoff game last year than they did under TJ and Gus the year before.Come on man.

 

[Phurfur]

Jackson started out slow, as do most young Q.B.'s in their first dozen starts. Then the light bulb went off and you could see the learning curve clicking in. His last four starts were quite good. He was on track to learning the position, then he was yanked and humiliated by the pursuit of Favre and other Q.B.'s

Had jackson played last year and continued his learning curve I believe he would now be at least and average NFL Q.B. with the little added dimension of being a good runner himself. With the Viking's weapons he would very likely have the present club showing a couple of more wins. If you then add in the player or players they may have been able to procure for Favre's outrageous cost what might this club have been?

As a Packer Fan I am happy I have not had to find out.

Well the Vikings attempted to trade Jackson in the off season 0 teams were interested so I would say the Vikings would still be seeking their first win this season. By the way how many playoff games as Rogers won for the packers, cricket circket If TT would of traded for a RB the packers would be a the superbowl hunt this year, but as a Viking fan, I love it.

and the Vikings couldn't even beat them, a sub par team with no running game and a QB that can't win the big one.

 

[Phurfur]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Yes they are, if you can't see that it is your problem.

 

[two_dollars]

Thy were in the NFC championship game last year.Come on man.

They won one more playoff game last year than they did under TJ and Gus the year before.Come on man.

They would not have gone 15-1 with home field advantage last year with TJ under center.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Did you think that was my point?

BTW, and since you raise it would you really argue they are not. See Favre is not just a player, he is a package that includes problems. He raised doubt that made future planning nearly impossible. Had he stayed the Packers would likely have lost Rogers. There is no doubt that long term they are better off, just ask any team that has had to look for Q.B.'s for years or even generations how nice it is to have a Q.B. with the production and future potential of Rodgers. Hell the rest of the Division has looked for years for just that.

Keepeing Favre, and keeping him happy, meant acquiesing to him running the team and having no future plans at Q.B. Nope I am plenty pleased with Rogers. Had Favre been a team guy, committed wholehearted to the Packers and to the future the packers would never have had to have drafted Rogers. Favre's own actions caused the dilemna.

Rogers is a top five talent with many yearws to play. It is true he has not yet won a playoff game of import, but that will come. Sad that you seek to strike out at the Packers when the O.P. was not meant to strike out at you or your team, it was just a discusion.

What's amazing is how many people claim to like him and are consistenly spelling his name incorrectly! It's RODGERS!

Minnesota went to the NFC Championship game, dominated it but came up a little short. They went to the guy who led them there and it didn't work out this year. That's the reality, that's what happened.

Where would they be without Farve? They'd be in a very similar position, playing for nothing anyway.

 

[Phurfur]

Yeah, the packers are so much better without Favre...I mean look at all those playoff wins they've had since he left.

Did you think that was my point?

BTW, and since you raise it would you really argue they are not. See Favre is not just a player, he is a package that includes problems. He raised doubt that made future planning nearly impossible. Had he stayed the Packers would likely have lost Rogers. There is no doubt that long term they are better off, just ask any team that has had to look for Q.B.'s for years or even generations how nice it is to have a Q.B. with the production and future potential of Rodgers. Hell the rest of the Division has looked for years for just that.

Keepeing Favre, and keeping him happy, meant acquiesing to him running the team and having no future plans at Q.B. Nope I am plenty pleased with Rogers. Had Favre been a team guy, committed wholehearted to the Packers and to the future the packers would never have had to have drafted Rogers. Favre's own actions caused the dilemna.

Rogers is a top five talent with many yearws to play. It is true he has not yet won a playoff game of import, but that will come. Sad that you seek to strike out at the Packers when the O.P. was not meant to strike out at you or your team, it was just a discusion.

What's amazing is how many people claim to like him and are consistenly spelling his name incorrectly! It's RODGERS!

Minnesota went to the NFC Championship game, dominated it but came up a little short. They went to the guy who led them there and it didn't work out this year. That's the reality, that's what happened.

Where would they be without Farve? They'd be in a very similar position, playing for nothing anyway.

This happened to Packer fans a lot. We finally got sick of it.