where's the tomlinson hate? (1 Viewer)

[pollardsvision]

everybody and their brother is bangin on LJ. sure, LJ's had a couple of rough games, but if the chargers weren't contractually obligated to give LT passing TDs to supplement his fantasy points when he can't run the ball, LT would be killing his owners.

i understand that LT has had some tough matchups, but LJ did triple LT's YPC against the same tough opponent (da bears). the texans aren't the patriots, but they might be pretty good. however you slice it, LJ did accomplish something in that game that LT's still waiting to do: average over 4.0 YPC in a game (or 3.0 for that matter).

one has the curse of 370 and one has the curse of 27 TDs (i know it's a small sample size, but no RB has ever recovered from a 27 TD season)

they are about the same age, but one (LT) has a ton more mileage on him.

both play on offenses that do nothing besides run the ball and throw to the tight end.

one (LT) has a back-up that appears to be running the ball better than himself.

obviously, rivers is better than huard, but both are basically care-taker QBs that really don't scare anyone.

admittedly, i'm biased b/c i've been predicting the downfall of LT since the off-season and i've never, ever own him (which means i hate him), but if we're going to crucify LJ (and steven), we made need to save some nails for teflon tomlinson. (at least until he emerges from the league cellar in YPC)

 

[duaneok66]

everybody and their brother is bangin on LJ. sure, LJ's had a couple of rough games, but if the chargers weren't contractually obligated to give LT passing TDs to supplement his fantasy points when he can't run the ball, LT would be killing his owners.i understand that LT has had some tough matchups, but LJ did triple LT's YPC against the same tough opponent (da bears). the texans aren't the patriots, but they might be pretty good. however you slice it, LJ did accomplish something in that game that LT's still waiting to do: average over 4.0 YPC in a game (or 3.0 for that matter).one has the curse of 370 and one has the curse of 27 TDs (i know it's a small sample size, but no RB has ever recovered from a 27 TD season)they are about the same age, but one (LT) has a ton more mileage on him.both play on offenses that do nothing besides run the ball and throw to the tight end.one (LT) has a back-up that appears to be running the ball better than himself.obviously, rivers is better than huard, but both are basically care-taker QBs that really don't scare anyone.admittedly, i'm biased b/c i've been predicting the downfall of LT since the off-season and i've never, ever own him (which means i hate him), but if we're going to crucify LJ (and steven), we made need to save some nails for teflon tomlinson. (at least until he emerges from the league cellar in YPC)

didnt Turner get most of his snaps after the game was over???

 

[Gr00vus]

I prefer the not panicking/not crucifying players after only two weeks option.

They'll both be fine and put up top 10 numbers.

I'd be a heavy buyer, but I'm not going to waste my time seeing if their owners are stupid enough to deal them right now.

 

[King Biggie Cube]

yo he be da golden child. he cant do no wrong.

even when he gets totally o\/\/ned by da pats.

 

[duaneok66]

LT and Favre must be related . . .

 

[Chase Stuart]

admittedly, i'm biased b/c i've been predicting the downfall of LT since the off-season and i've never, ever own him (which means i hate him), but if we're going to crucify LJ (and steven), we made need to save some nails for teflon tomlinson. (at least until he emerges from the league cellar in YPC)

Agreed.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/d...att%2Brsh%2Brec

LT's off to a start only that's been absolutely brutal. And he is last in the league in YPC.

 

[pollardsvision]

i'm not trying to imply that the burner is better, or that LT is going to suck all of a sudden.

i'm just making 2 points:

1-it seems no one would ever consider the possibility that LT could disappoint, especially given what he cost in auction leagues (even though he's only finished the year as the top fantasy RB once)

2-many seem ready to throw in the towel on LJ, even though he's earned the benefit of the doubt just as LT has. LT's anemic day against the bears has caused no fantasy concern, but it seems like LJ's slow (but better) game against those same bears have people ready to give up on him

 

[Chase Stuart]

I prefer the not panicking/not crucifying players after only two weeks option.They'll both be fine and put up top 10 numbers.I'd be a heavy buyer, but I'm not going to waste my time seeing if their owners are stupid enough to deal them right now.

What does a heavy buyer mean? What sort of numbers (raw numbers, or FPs, or FP rank) do you predict from LT for weeks 3-17?

 

[Gr00vus]

I prefer the not panicking/not crucifying players after only two weeks option.They'll both be fine and put up top 10 numbers.I'd be a heavy buyer, but I'm not going to waste my time seeing if their owners are stupid enough to deal them right now.

What does a heavy buyer mean? What sort of numbers (raw numbers, or FPs, or FP rank) do you predict from LT for weeks 3-17?

I'd figure him for his 2005 average points per game from here on out.The offensive line has played extremely poorly so far. I'd expect that to get straightened out here as they get more acclimated to the new coaching staff. They just had their two toughest defensive match ups of the year. Also I'd expect the offense to be run first from here on out until the passing game stabilizes, which it hasn't been so far (by design last week for whatever reason, and because the Bears locked it down in week 1).LaDainian's physically the same player he's always been - that's obvious to me even though he hasn't had many opportunities to show it yet.

 

[pollardsvision]

i just figured out why LT owners never get concerned, here's an excerpt from LT's player contract with the chargers:

"Section 83:

If, in any game, Mr. Tomlinson has not accrued at least 75 yards of offense by the end of the 3rd quarter of play, Mr. Tomlinson shall be given the opportunity to throw the ball on all 3rd and longs inside the 30 yard line. Of course, Mr. Tomlinson's rights to any and all touches inside the 10-yard line remain in effect. In order for Mr. Tomlinson to maintain his standing in the endorsement market, it's imperative that he never have dissappointing games for his fantasy football owners."

in a related story, LT's agent is filing charges for breach of contract in regards to lorenzo neals TD reception on sunday night.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I prefer the not panicking/not crucifying players after only two weeks option.They'll both be fine and put up top 10 numbers.I'd be a heavy buyer, but I'm not going to waste my time seeing if their owners are stupid enough to deal them right now.

What does a heavy buyer mean? What sort of numbers (raw numbers, or FPs, or FP rank) do you predict from LT for weeks 3-17?

I'd figure him for his 2005 average points per game from here on out.The offensive line has played extremely poorly so far. I'd expect that to get straightened out here as they get more acclimated to the new coaching staff. They just had their two toughest defensive match ups of the year. Also I'd expect the offense to be run first from here on out until the passing game stabilizes, which it hasn't been so far (by design last week for whatever reason, and because the Bears locked it down in week 1).LaDainian's physically the same player he's always been - that's obvious to me even though he hasn't had many opportunities to show it yet.

Well his 2005 avg PPG is below what most people had him projected for in 2007. If that's a heavy buy, I might agree.

 

[Gr00vus]

Well his 2005 avg PPG is below what most people had him projected for in 2007. If that's a heavy buy, I might agree.

Then most people screwed up in their projections. What, was everyone expecting 31 touchdowns again? At the most I'd figure him for around 2000 yards combined and 20 TDs on the season, and my projections were a bit more conservative than that.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

He played the Bears and the Patriots two of the three toughest defenses in the league.Even with that he had two touchdowns against Chicago (could've easily been 3). It'll get better.

The past couple of seasons it seems like LT starts off the season kinda slow and then he just takes off later in the season.

 

[AnonymousBob]

He's had one bad game. Out of only two. LJ has had two bad games. Out of two. LT played tougher matchups.

Lastly, I hate it when people say "take out his passing td and he wasn't that good." Guess what? The passing td counts!

 

[Chase Stuart]

Well his 2005 avg PPG is below what most people had him projected for in 2007. If that's a heavy buy, I might agree.

Then most people screwed up in their projections. What, was everyone expecting 31 touchdowns again? At the most I'd figure him for around 2000 yards combined and 20 TDs on the season, and my projections were a bit more conservative than that.

I think 2100 yards and 22 TDs was the consensus for what a healthy LT would do. 1830 and 20 is a bit south of that.Either way, I don't think his owners would be selling for 1830/20 (pro-rated over 14 games, of course), so I don't think you can buy for that, any way.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

i just figured out why LT owners never get concerned, here's an excerpt from LT's player contract with the chargers:"Section 83:If, in any game, Mr. Tomlinson has not accrued at least 75 yards of offense by the end of the 3rd quarter of play, Mr. Tomlinson shall be given the opportunity to throw the ball on all 3rd and longs inside the 30 yard line. Of course, Mr. Tomlinson's rights to any and all touches inside the 10-yard line remain in effect. In order for Mr. Tomlinson to maintain his standing in the endorsement market, it's imperative that he never have dissappointing games for his fantasy football owners."in a related story, LT's agent is filing charges for breach of contract in regards to lorenzo neals TD reception on sunday night.

Ok. Now you're just coming off like a crying ##### (kinda like LT). We get it. You don't like LT. So far he's sucked. Not as much as Larry Johnson but he hasn't played well. They won't play the Bears and the Patriots every week. Unless you think he's gonna finish the season with a 1.6 or whatever ypc he's got nowhere to go but up.

 

[Chase Stuart]

i just figured out why LT owners never get concerned, here's an excerpt from LT's player contract with the chargers:"Section 83:If, in any game, Mr. Tomlinson has not accrued at least 75 yards of offense by the end of the 3rd quarter of play, Mr. Tomlinson shall be given the opportunity to throw the ball on all 3rd and longs inside the 30 yard line. Of course, Mr. Tomlinson's rights to any and all touches inside the 10-yard line remain in effect. In order for Mr. Tomlinson to maintain his standing in the endorsement market, it's imperative that he never have dissappointing games for his fantasy football owners."in a related story, LT's agent is filing charges for breach of contract in regards to lorenzo neals TD reception on sunday night.

Ok. Now you're just coming off like a crying ##### (kinda like LT). We get it. You don't like LT. So far he's sucked. Not as much as Larry Johnson but he hasn't played well. They won't play the Bears and the Patriots every week. Unless you think he's gonna finish the season with a 1.6 or whatever ypc he's got nowhere to go but up.

There's a lot more to the explanation that he played the Bears and the Patriots every week. For starters, the best defenses in the league allow a lot more than 1.9 YPC to any RB, much less the very best. For another, LT does really well against the Patriots historically, and doesn't usually run poorly against great defenses generally. 1.9 isn't 2.9; it's quite a bit worse.

 

[pollardsvision]

He played the Bears and the Patriots two of the three toughest defenses in the league.Even with that he had two touchdowns against Chicago (could've easily been 3). It'll get better. The past couple of seasons it seems like LT starts off the season kinda slow and then he just takes off later in the season.

sure, the passing TD counts, but i'm not going to let it influence my opinion of his game. when you barely get 1.0 YPC, you had a bad game. he followed that game up by another bad game.i'm not saying LT owners should panic, by any means, just that there's a solid argument that LJ has been better LT so far.

 

[bigfeet_88]

KC's outlook is quite grim. They stink. Rams isn't much better, especially with Pace going down.

Unless you call the loss of martyball a big hit to the franchise (or to LT for that matter), the only thing that has seemed to keep LT down (according to LT owners that is) was that they played the bears (with 2 scoring tds) and the Pats at home who were on a mission after spygate; i.e., there is still a lot of hope that he will recover which has probably tempered the hate.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

i just figured out why LT owners never get concerned, here's an excerpt from LT's player contract with the chargers:

"Section 83:

If, in any game, Mr. Tomlinson has not accrued at least 75 yards of offense by the end of the 3rd quarter of play, Mr. Tomlinson shall be given the opportunity to throw the ball on all 3rd and longs inside the 30 yard line. Of course, Mr. Tomlinson's rights to any and all touches inside the 10-yard line remain in effect. In order for Mr. Tomlinson to maintain his standing in the endorsement market, it's imperative that he never have dissappointing games for his fantasy football owners."

in a related story, LT's agent is filing charges for breach of contract in regards to lorenzo neals TD reception on sunday night.

Ok. Now you're just coming off like a crying ##### (kinda like LT). We get it. You don't like LT. So far he's sucked. Not as much as Larry Johnson but he hasn't played well. They won't play the Bears and the Patriots every week. Unless you think he's gonna finish the season with a 1.6 or whatever ypc he's got nowhere to go but up.

There's a lot more to the explanation that he played the Bears and the Patriots every week. For starters, the best defenses in the league allow a lot more than 1.9 YPC to any RB, much less the very best. For another, LT does really well against the Patriots historically, and doesn't usually run poorly against great defenses generally. 1.9 isn't 2.9; it's quite a bit worse.

You're right. The offensive line sucks right now. Philip Rivers is horrible right now. LT as well as the Chargers team isn't playing well right now. Will that continue? I don't think so.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think 2100 yards and 22 TDs was the consensus for what a healthy LT would do. 1830 and 20 is a bit south of that.Either way, I don't think his owners would be selling for 1830/20 (pro-rated over 14 games, of course), so I don't think you can buy for that, any way.

I think the consensus was way off then. 1830 and 20 is a great season. People have lost sight of that because of what Alexander and Tomlinson have done these last two years. But those were both insanely exceptional years. In truth, when I project, anything north of 16 tds and 2000 yards is sketchy territory. People projecting more than 2000/20 were being unrealistic.As far as owners not selling - I already spoke to that. I don't expect there to be any sellers right now.

 

[jurb26]

I think 2100 yards and 22 TDs was the consensus for what a healthy LT would do. 1830 and 20 is a bit south of that.Either way, I don't think his owners would be selling for 1830/20 (pro-rated over 14 games, of course), so I don't think you can buy for that, any way.

I think the consensus was way off then. 1830 and 20 is a great season. People have lost sight of that because of what Alexander and Tomlinson have done these last two years. But those were both insanely exceptional years. In truth, when I project, anything north of 16 tds and 2000 yards is sketchy territory. People projecting more than 2000/20 were being unrealistic.As far as owners not selling - I already spoke to that. I don't expect there to be any sellers right now.

Like SA last year, LT had nowhere to go but down this year.

 

[pollardsvision]

KC's outlook is quite grim. They stink. Rams isn't much better, especially with Pace going down.Unless you call the loss of martyball a big hit to the franchise (or to LT for that matter), the only thing that has seemed to keep LT down (according to LT owners that is) was that they played the bears (with 2 scoring tds) and the Pats at home who were on a mission after spygate; i.e., there is still a lot of hope that he will recover which has probably tempered the hate.

i actually do think the loss of martyball will be a bigger hit than many think, to LT and the chargers. i could see the chargers paying a heavy price for the a.j. smith's inability to play nice after a 14-2 season.there's a reason team's don't fire coaches after 14-2 seasons.i don't think the loss of marty itself will hurt LT, but just having all that turnover could.the rams and the chiefs do have a grim outlook. i do wonder however, if the '07 chiefs are any worse than the pre-2005 chargers that LT flourished on (although nothing like '05-'06, i guess). i don't have that same faith in s-jax to flourish on a crap team, but i have plenty of faith that rams can have a decent offense.

 

[duaneok66]

good points, but hindsight is 20/20 . . . yes, I know a few brought up a possible decline in numbers, but not so much as to NOT take LT at #1 . . .

of course, it is only after two weeks . . .

 

[jurb26]

good points, but hindsight is 20/20 . . . yes, I know a few brought up a possible decline in numbers, but not so much as to NOT take LT at #1 . . . of course, it is only after two weeks . . .

I was rather certain that LT would not put up #1 numbers again this year. The only problem was, who do you rank ahead of him? There really wasn't any rational choice this year. I know there was an argument made for Jackson, but look at where that is getting them.

 

[pollardsvision]

good points, but hindsight is 20/20 . . . yes, I know a few brought up a possible decline in numbers, but not so much as to NOT take LT at #1 . . . of course, it is only after two weeks . . .

oh, i'm not saying i wouldn't have drafted him #1. (i might say i would've traded him, but that would be quite a hypothetical hinsight is 20/20 going on)i'm really just making fun of all of this panic over everyone else when the concensus #1 pick is worst in the league in YPC.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

This game coming up with the Packers will be very telling. They have a good but not great defense. You can run on them. If LT keeps pulling his 2 yards a carry foolishness against them then I would legitimately start to worry.

 

[jurb26]

i'm really just making fun of all of this panic over everyone else when the concensus #1 pick is worst in the league in YPC.

This is really irrelevant to most fantasy players though. LT ranks 15th among RBs in one of my leagues right now. LJ is 25th, Jackson is 31st. Not too mention LT actually had a very decent fantasy week in week 1. The other 2 have bombed both weeks.

 

[Parkers99]

if we're going to crucify LJ (and steven), we made need to save some nails for teflon tomlinson. (at least until he emerges from the league cellar in YPC)

LT has two td's thru two games; Jackson & LJ have none. As bad as LT's been, he's still ranked as the #12 scoring RB in my league, and thankfully I've managed to squeeze by (thanks Mr. Galloway).As far as yards per carry... who cares? This if FF.

 

[David Yudkin]

At this point, I'd probably still take the "over" on 2,000 yards from scrimmage and 20 total TD (including passing TD).

 

[-OZ-]

I have LT in 2 leagues and haven't lost yet. He's the #11 RB in one, #10 in the other. LJ is #23 and #25. That's one of the great things about LT, even if he's not running well or the D manages to stop him, he'll find other ways to score. Against the Bears, LT went for 93 yards (incl. passing) and 2 TDs. And you cannot call his passing TD a fluke. LJ went for 87 and no TDs.Then he went against a motivated Patriots team, and had a bad game. Part of the reason we don't panic over LT having a bad game is he's proven that we shouldn't, and even though he's stuggling, he's still a RB1. LJ is a RB2 or lower, depending on the scoring. And we don't see the Chiefs improving.

This game coming up with the Packers will be very telling. They have a good but not great defense. You can run on them. If LT keeps pulling his 2 yards a carry foolishness against them then I would legitimately start to worry.

Agreed. I still wouldn't trade him "low", but I might worry a little.

 

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[pollardsvision]

I have LT in 2 leagues and haven't lost yet. He's the #11 RB in one, #10 in the other. LJ is #23 and #25. That's one of the great things about LT, even if he's not running well or the D manages to stop him, he'll find other ways to score. Against the Bears, LT went for 93 yards (incl. passing) and 2 TDs. And you cannot call his passing TD a fluke. LJ went for 87 and no TDs.Then he went against a motivated Patriots team, and had a bad game. Part of the reason we don't panic over LT having a bad game is he's proven that we shouldn't, and even though he's stuggling, he's still a RB1. LJ is a RB2 or lower, depending on the scoring. And we don't see the Chiefs improving.

This game coming up with the Packers will be very telling. They have a good but not great defense. You can run on them. If LT keeps pulling his 2 yards a carry foolishness against them then I would legitimately start to worry.

Agreed. I still wouldn't trade him "low", but I might worry a little.

when it comes to LT, i'm not sure what amazes me more:1-that only 9 RBs scored HALF as many points as he did last season (in PPR leagues)or2-that we've reached a point where we can't consider passing TDs from RBs to be a fluke