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I was just going to say the same thing.If wins are the only thing that matter then a 7-7 team is equal to a 7-6-1 or 7-5-2 team? 
Another method that hasn't been mentioned is to play a home and away schedule and award the win to the home team in case of a tie. This works particulary well in the playoffs where the home team has earned the tie-breaker by having a better record.
It is not MY rule. It is a standard ranking rule in every league I am in. It is also how the NFL would rank these w/l combinations.
No. I stated in a post about 6 posts up that the criteria for ranking a team is 1. Most Wins2. Fewest Losses3. Divisional Record4. Head to head recordETA: it is the same way in the NHL (or was, before they resorted to the shoot out) where ties were a lot more common, you would have to move down the checklist to determine ranking.
If you get to this point, you must turn in your official FBG card
This is where you are wrong. The NFL states that a T is 1/2 W and 1/2 L. So 6-0-8 is the equivalent of 10-4, which is clearly better than 7-7 and is what we are arguing about.
To get that 43% ... you decided to count the ties as losses, why? They aren't losses any more than they are wins.7/14 = .500(6+.5+.5)/14 = .5006/12 = .500 (if you wanted to throw them out entirely for some reason)6/14 = .428 ?? (ties counted as losses?)8/14 = .571 ?? (ties counted as wins?)
Well it probably would have been difficult for you to hold the mouse still that long...
The argument isn't over math. It's over the preferable way to count a tie.Most people are saying that a tie should count as half a win and half a loss (which is how the NFL currently does it).Some people are saying that a tie should count as a loss.Some people are saying that a tie should count as more than half a win, but less than a full win.Another way to do it is to disregard ties altogether (which is how the NFL used to do it).The value of a tie is in dispute, not the arithmetic based on that value.
-5^2 = -25
No we're not. We're arguing over whether 2+2=3+1.
This needs its own thread.
hmmm, suckered again. damn all of you and your inside jokes.Not this again!That makes HULK morethan the tie thing and almost as
as the 9/10 of a cent extra for gas thing.
While I cannot argue that your leagues don't have this rule for standings, this is not how the NFL would rank those W/L combinations. The NFL rule on ties is listed below. This is nothing new for those that have read the thread (or know NFL rules). The difference however, is that all fantasy leagues do not adopt NFL rules. So that's where this debate comes from. Source: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers
I think its the other way around. Six losses and two ties is better than seven losses. I think thats is based on a point system where two pts for a win and one for a tie, so might not apply here.
7-7 = 7(2 pt) = 146-6-2 = 6(2 pt) + 2(1 pt) = 14I think you are on to something...
If that rule existed in this fantasy football league, there would be no question. We discussed that back on page one.There is no rule in this league. The NFL's rules - which are typically the default rules when no rule is in place and a rule is needed - says they are the same record and you go to the tiebreakers.
Yes, but the NFL considers them to be the same record.It then goes to a tiebreaker - the wins versus losses.Hulk's fantasy league's first tiebreaker is points, not wins.
For people who missed the FFA thread . . . by convention, squaring precedes negativing (i.e., multiplying) in the order of operations, so -5^2 is read as -(5^2) rather than as (-5)^2 . . . so the answer is -25.ready5 said:
I love Stinkin' refs avatar but don't like his logic
I was drafted to play baseball and I am as competitive as anyone I have ever met and I agree with Pat Riley that losing is misery. Winning is a little "matter of fact" but losing haunts you a lot longer. I may be in the minority, but from the mid-high level athletes I have been around I do not think so.Some say the fear of losing is their motivator and maybe ties are not in the equation, but I would rather be undefeated at 14-0-2 than 15-1 any day!
Sweeper you are not correct here as neither the NFL or NHL count it the way you say. The NHL looks at points first.Sweeper said:
a tie is a 1/2 win. 7-7 and 6-6-2 are the same.my tie this year in my dynasty league, both teams were the high scorers that week. That one really hurt!decimal scoring does do away with the problem. We do that in my work league.
The NFL and any league measuring Win % would say 6-5-3 > 7-7-0Sweeper said:
(Or, 75% morons, with you included amongst them. just saying)
Wrong.
I'm down to three cash leagues this year. Al use decimal scoring. There were ties in two of them.http://football33.myfantasyleague.com/2006/home/34877
This is correct.However, it makes me think mathmaticians are lazy.
I agree, this is just wrong. h2h is the only way to go and while I am open to many other thoughts, there is NO chance I would commish a league where a team could finish with the same record and the one team beat the other one twice and loses out to total points.If you want to eliminate luck than just go with total points and forget h2h altogether. I think that is a poor way to do it, but what is the point of h2h if you won;t use it in your tie breaker. BOOOOOO!
this already.
About two pages back.
You are totally right a tie is not a win and it shouldn't be counted as one but you can't treat it as a loss either because they didn't lose. Their winning percentage is the same and that is what matter. You go to the tie breakers that is the only reasonable way.
