Which QBs would you rather have than Cutler? (1 Viewer)

[switz]

I love how switz loves to rag on awful Forte was last year, but when the subject changes to Cutler vs. Orton, they suddenly are comparable, as if the Bears running game was as good as last year as it was in '08. It is why switz and his nonsense should never be taken seriously in the SP.

I love how you want so much to attack me that you have to state that I said things I've never said. It's why you can never be taken seriously in the SP, instead of focusing on the argument (which you are losing) you attack people, and even lie to take away form their credibility. It's pathetic.And if you want to talk running game, do you think the Broncos running game is really doing well this year?

 

[switz]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

 

[Max Power]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

Its a lot easier when you have a running game to keep the D honest.

 

[switz]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

Its a lot easier when you have a running game to keep the D honest.

That's true... but the fact he has one hardly makes his inclusion on the list indefensible. He's playing at a very high rate, no matter the circumstances.

 

[The Jacket]

Let's just assume that what you said above is accurate. That would still mean that the Chi oline gave up 4.5 sacks. That is still WAY too many for a half of football. I'd disagree that half of those sacks were Cutler's fault none the less. Martz system in notorious for long developing plays that require the QB to hang onto the ball longer than normal.

Martz's system typically averages about 2.5 sacks per game, not 4.5, not nearly 9. Cutler has been sacked more than the average in 3 out of 4 games this year. Part of that is on the OL, no doubt. Does Cutler get none of the blame??If the "system" averages 2.5, how much is the OL responsible, and after than how much is Cutler responsible for the rest?Just curious, for those watching a lot of Bears games, how would you split it up?

System 2.5, line 2.5, young wr's not getting open 1.5, Cutler 0.5

3.5 - Cutler not passing to said WRs when they're WIDE OPEN, instead favoring either a pick into double-coverage or holding the ball til he's sacked.

 

[DoubleG]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Instinctive]

I prefer Orton to Cutler.

 

[switz]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

Did I say he was the sole reason the team won? How can your comprehension be so bad??? BTW, Sanchez is averaging 2 TDs per game, that is better than Brady did any year prior to '07.

 

[DoubleG]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

Did I say he was the sole reason the team won? How can your comprehension be so bad??? BTW, Sanchez is averaging 2 TDs per game, that is better than Brady did any year prior to '07.

- I'd like extra syrup with all these waffles please.

 

[switz]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

Did I say he was the sole reason the team won? How can your comprehension be so bad??? BTW, Sanchez is averaging 2 TDs per game, that is better than Brady did any year prior to '07.

- I'd like extra syrup with all these waffles please.

And I'd like to live in your world of absolutes... too bad that's not reality.

 

[two_dollars]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

And both have led their team to 3 wins, yet the argument is ok for supporting sanchez, but not for cutler, despite the fact the jets are running the ball with no problem and have one of the best o-lines in football. switz is just talking out of his ### at this point.

 

[switz]

sanchez is the only one on that list that is indefensible.

Really? 8 TDs, 0 INTs, leading his team to wins. I'd say he's doing a much better job this year than Cutler.

If you keep this silliness up, I'm going to start cutting and pasting your arguments in the Brady thread and use them against you in the Cutler threads. You can't have it both ways.

And both have led their team to 3 wins, yet the argument is ok for supporting sanchez, but not for cutler, despite the fact the jets are running the ball with no problem and have one of the best o-lines in football. switz is just talking out of his ### at this point.

Tell me where I ever said Cutler didn't help his team to three wins this year... stop making up stuff I never said.

 

[DoubleG]

Tell me where I ever said Cutler didn't help his team to three wins this year... stop making up stuff I never said.

You don't want to go here.

The main knock that Cutler haters have used for years is "his" win pct, even when he himself is playing well. Yet when he's not playing great but the team is 3-1, suddenly the idea of win pct disappears?

The team is 3-1, but I think any knowledgeable football fan realizes that it's not likely to maintain that winning percentage moving forward. The win in DET was due to stupidity (ref or CJ, you pick) and the GB win was more of a GB loss - they self destructed. Dallas is the only game in which I thought the Bears looked like the better team.

Yep - sounds like a ringing endorsement of Cutler. I mean you mention him so many times in that post and give all the credit in the world. That was just the one post I have found in this thread - and one of the only posts you haven't edited. YWIA.

What a tengled web we weave.

At least this is funny though.

 

[switz]

Tell me where I ever said Cutler didn't help his team to three wins this year... stop making up stuff I never said.

You don't want to go here.

The main knock that Cutler haters have used for years is "his" win pct, even when he himself is playing well. Yet when he's not playing great but the team is 3-1, suddenly the idea of win pct disappears?

The team is 3-1, but I think any knowledgeable football fan realizes that it's not likely to maintain that winning percentage moving forward. The win in DET was due to stupidity (ref or CJ, you pick) and the GB win was more of a GB loss - they self destructed. Dallas is the only game in which I thought the Bears looked like the better team.

Yep - sounds like a ringing endorsement of Cutler. I mean you mention him so many times in that post and give all the credit in the world. That was just the one post I have found in this thread - and one of the only posts you haven't edited. YWIA.

What a tengled web we weave.

At least this is funny though.

Still waiting for you to answer my question. Show me where I said Cutler didn't help his team win.And if you look at the posts I "edited" check the time of the edits, they are typically within a minute of the original post and for spelling correction, and often I'll even add an ETA to say why it was edited. It's not after the fact changes like you want to imply. Pretty sad that instead of having a real argument, you try to attack character - are you a politician by chance?

 

[DoubleG]

Tell me where I ever said Cutler didn't help his team to three wins this year... stop making up stuff I never said.

You don't want to go here.

The main knock that Cutler haters have used for years is "his" win pct, even when he himself is playing well. Yet when he's not playing great but the team is 3-1, suddenly the idea of win pct disappears?

The team is 3-1, but I think any knowledgeable football fan realizes that it's not likely to maintain that winning percentage moving forward. The win in DET was due to stupidity (ref or CJ, you pick) and the GB win was more of a GB loss - they self destructed. Dallas is the only game in which I thought the Bears looked like the better team.

Yep - sounds like a ringing endorsement of Cutler. I mean you mention him so many times in that post and give all the credit in the world. That was just the one post I have found in this thread - and one of the only posts you haven't edited. YWIA.

What a tangled web we weave.

At least this is funny though.

Still waiting for you to answer my question. Show me where I said Cutler didn't help his team win.And if you look at the posts I "edited" check the time of the edits, they are typically within a minute of the original post and for spelling correction, and often I'll even add an ETA to say why it was edited. It's not after the fact changes like you want to imply. Pretty sad that instead of having a real argument, you try to attack character - are you a politician by chance?

Dude. If you refuse to see how blaming the loss on the refs or GB's self destruction or that the "Bears looked like the better team" is a lack of giving credit to Cutler, I cannot help you. It's called reading what you typed.

I'm not attacking anyone's character, just pointing out that you have been wildly inconsistant - constantly changing your argument and the logic (?) on which it is based, depending on which players you like and which you don't. We get it - you like Manning, think Brady's over rated, love Orton and think Cutler's over rated. It's completely acceptable to have player preferences - but to use one set of logical rules when comparing players, and them completely revers said rules so they don't "accidentally" support a player you don't like is just silly.

Are you an LHUCKS alias by chance?

You sir are a piece of work.

 

[DoubleG]

Heck in '08, Orton took nearly the identical team as Cutler's '09 team to a winning record. Cutler played in '09 on a team with a good defense - even with Urlacher out - and that didn't give them a winning record did it?

The above is from this thread, the below is from the Brady thread.

Oh I agree, that's the goal... I just don't agree it's the best way to measure a single player, as wins and losses are more the result of a team.

I'm sorry - which of your criteria are we using for measuring single players again?I'll hang up and listen for the backtracking.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I love how switz loves to rag on awful Forte was last year, but when the subject changes to Cutler vs. Orton, they suddenly are comparable, as if the Bears running game was as good as last year as it was in '08. It is why switz and his nonsense should never be taken seriously in the SP.

I love how you want so much to attack me that you have to state that I said things I've never said. It's why you can never be taken seriously in the SP, instead of focusing on the argument (which you are losing) you attack people, and even lie to take away form their credibility. It's pathetic.And if you want to talk running game, do you think the Broncos running game is really doing well this year?

Sorry if the truth about you hurts, but it is what it is. Have fun.

 

[The_Wolfman]

I will just never understand the hate Cutler gets. Seriously, what is it about this guy that makes everyone hate him?

I'm a Bears fan, but not really a Cutler fan. I root for the guy because I'm loyal to my team but I see some of the negatives in Cutler. He's an inconsistent player and he comes off as a pouter and a whiner. He's not really a leader or a winner. I get it. I've even met him once in person and I can confirm that he is kind of a #####.

But really, he's not that bad of a player. He's got a cannon for an arm and is an underrated athlete who can run with the ball when he needs to. The guy is unbelievably tough as he taken a beating on a consistent basis and always gets back up. He's not a HOFer but the Bears are unquestionably a better team for having him.