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Which receivers/te's will emerge in PHI & PITT? (1 Viewer)

TS Garp

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Forgive me if this has been discussed, but as I finalize my projections, I keep getting a little stuck on Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

Let's start with the Eagles. I know Kelly will be very committed to the run. FBG has the Eagles projected for 525 total passing attempts, which is down almost 100 from last year and would have ranked as 23rd in the NFL last year. Not sure I'm buying it. While Kelly will run the ball more (FBG compensates for the drop in passing attempts with a lot more rushing attempts), I also think the fact that he wants to play fast and run a high-octane offense means they'll just run a lot more plays, period. So, while they'll run a lot, they'll also pass a lot. I was listening to a podcast, and Adam Caplan and Greg Cosell -- two people I think generally know what they speak of -- mentioned that Kelly had been purposefully running a very vanilla offense in the preseason and he will unleash a ton of different looks once the season starts. They mentioned that Brent Celek alluded to this in an interview and wouldn't elaborate but seemed very excited. Take it for what it's worth, but with no Maclin, there's clearly opportunity here. So, who emerges? I think a lot of people are warming up to DeSean Jackson as a value pick, and I agree. But, getting beyond him, who else will have value? Cooper? Avant? Damaris Johnson? Ertz? Celek? Casey? Or some combination of all of them, in which case it's entirely possible that no one aside from Jackson really becomes a reliable fantasy starter.

As far as the Steelers go, we know they're going to throw the ball a lot; probably even more than they'd like to with the Bell injury. Hard to believe, but they're missing 1,652 yards and 16 td's from last year with no Mike Wallace and Heath Miller. No one knows how much Miller will play this year and if he'll be the same guy initially, but he won't be in there right away. So, where does that production go? Not to say all of it has to go somewhere, but some of it does. So, does Antonio Brown become a legit WR1 and does Sanders become a WR2? Does Wheaton step up? Does Cotchery hang around and steal targets?

I think these are both interesting situations and there's potentially real value to be had here. Hard to say who will emerge -- if anyone -- but I think there's a chance you could see someone really step up and far exceed their ADP. My gut is that Brown and Sanders are both being drafted too low at the moment and that one of the TE's in Philadelphia will become an every week starter for most fantasy teams.

Would love to hear some thoughts.

 
I like Wheaton in Pitt. He may not hit this year but I'm buying in dynos. Pitt scouts wrs as well as anyone.
Out of interest then, what makes him dramatically different to Sanders, drafted only 3 picks later? Has looked potentially very goodat times but consistently has injury question marks. Finally going to get starting time...

I don't love the situation at all in Pittsburgh, but it's a hard situation to avoid because SOMEONE is going to so something, and I've found that one of the lads seems to drop in every draft I've been in so far. Roethy scores well when he's actually healthy, and with the again questionable running game, he'll be passing plenty.

Don't like Brown as a WR1 really. I prefer Sanders in a few ways, but doubt he lives up to that preference. Wheaton, can certainly pass on - Definitely don't think he's special to the point where he's a must have in dyno. Albeit, he is a nice piece at the end of a WR corp.

 
Good thread. I have nothing to add. I think it's pretty obvious that Desean Jackson and Antonio Brown are going to be the top two players on their respective teams. Philly is a total enigma. I really liked Maclin there.

 
I think Antonio Brown has a top 10 finish in him - Sanders hasn't show much and Wheaton will need time to adjust and get his feet under him.

 
PItt looks like they have work to do to get themselves straight on offense. Like the others, I think its Brown there and DJAX in Philly but I'm not sure I would invest any time looking beyond those two on either team this year.

 
In Philly, like others here, I think DJax is a value - especially with Vick back at QB. I don't have the time or inclination to look up the stats, but DJax has always performed better with Vick under center (or out of the pocket wreaking havoc, more accurately).

In Pitt, I think you will see Brown with decent-ish numbers, but I can also see a lot of guys contributing each week - many 5-62 weeks out of 3 or 4 guys or some variation. I just think the WR group is solid - but not spectacular, as such there won't really be one or two guys you can count on. I could see Wheaton coming on later in the season as a poor man's Mike Wallace, but even so, that'd be WR3 with WR2 upside type.

 
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I really like Antonio Brown this year, I think he will have a big year with him being in line to be the #1 option this year. Steelers WR corps always seems to be pretty solid year in and year out, even though they really aren't a passing team.

Desean Jackson on the other hand I could see going boom or bust. But I think that has a lot to do with how Vick performs this year.

 
I feel like the Steelers have been saying for a couple years that they were grooming Sanders to take over in a Hines Ward kind of capacity as a high-target chain mover. His skills seem to fit that profile, so maybe with a full-time starting role in his back pocket now, this is the year they deliver on that promise. It would limit his upside some if he's rarely used downfield, but I think he may surprise and lead the team in targets by a comfortable margin.

Hines was a really safe bet as an 80/1000/6 neighborhood guy with very little upside or downside for the last two thirds of his career. I wouldn't be at all shocked to see Sanders in that ballpark.

 
Sanders has alwas had the potential but can you count on him to stay healthy, especially if he is in a "Hines Ward" role, becuase it requires a bit of physicality?

 
Brent celek could have an owen daniels like explosion. Kelly features the tight ends, he's got familirity with vick, and ertz isn't ready. If you want to execute this offense, you need someone who can run or pass, someone else who can run, catch or block, someone who can block or roll out, and someone who can go deep or come back. That fits vick, mccoy, celek and desean very well imo.

 
These are great discussions to have.

A couple years ago Jeff Tefertiller had a great post on identifying WR situations with room to bloom.

To me Pitt and Philly are two this year. I went with Jackson and Sanders on Saturday (in auction draft, missed out on Brown).

I always thought Sanders would be the guy to emrge, I was wriong, it was brown, but someone did. Now with Wallace gone, Sanders definitely is in the spotlight. One thing missing here though is Cotchery, he is a quality receiver and I'd say he blocks Wheaton for a while, or maybe until mid to later in the season when they can start working him in. If anything happens to Sanders, go get Wheaton (or at least I will).

In Philly people forget that early when Kelly was hired there was a lot of talk about how he would use Jackson in a lot of different ways. It's been quiet since then but I think that's still something to look forward to, hopefully it develops.

No way to tell which TE will emerge, but I think something will happen there. Probably not Celek in my opinion, but maybe Casey and then Ertz. I have an eye out for Casey.

It would be interesting discuss what other teams are offering similar opportunities.

 
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Mystery Achiever said:
I just posted this article on TEs in the Eagles thread, but may be of interest here

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Who-Makes-the-Roster-Tight-ends.html#J5Yr28oU70zK3iiz.99
Good stuff -- thanks. What you wrote about Kelly saving Casey for the regular season intrigues me. There has to be a reason that Kelly went right after Casey in free agency.
I think Kelly's holding back a large portion of his playbook like most teams do. His offense is most likely going to be run heavy with TE's greatly involved (4 TE sets??). I think Desean Jackson is the big play receiver and Cooper/Avant will be the possession guys.

 
I have been pretty high on Wheaton even as a possible WR3 type to emerge later in the year. Obviously week 1 wasn't encouraging but don't the steelers have to work this guy in at some point? Their offense is so undynamic and Wheaton showed in preseason that he can make plays.

(Sorry - couldn't find the Wheaton thread)

 
I just posted this article on TEs in the Eagles thread, but may be of interest here

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Who-Makes-the-Roster-Tight-ends.html#J5Yr28oU70zK3iiz.99
Good stuff -- thanks. What you wrote about Kelly saving Casey for the regular season intrigues me. There has to be a reason that Kelly went right after Casey in free agency.
I think Kelly's holding back a large portion of his playbook like most teams do. His offense is most likely going to be run heavy with TE's greatly involved (4 TE sets??). I think Desean Jackson is the big play receiver and Cooper/Avant will be the possession guys.
Here's a link to the Celek thread after Week 1.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684760&hl=celek

 
Eagles ran 74 plays versus the Skins. 49 runs (9 by Vick) and 25 passes.
The beauty of Kelly's offense is you take what the defense gives you. Last week Washington gave them the run and they took it. Some weeks it will be a lot more pass happy. I think Desean is in for a huge year but there will be weeks where guys like Celek, Avant, Cooper or Ertz pop up with 100 yard games. The trick is guessing when it'll happen.

 
The Steelers are getting the ball to Brown and Sanders but no TDs really. Any thoughts on holding/dropping?

Sanders has emerged as more of a 1a in my opininion, almost scored vs CIN, if so he would have had a nice line.

 

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