Which Side? (1 Viewer)

[Matt's Eagles]

Start 1 qb, 2-3 RBs, 3-5 WRs, 1 TE. It is 12 team PPR, TE yardage bonus

QB Dak, Palmer, Kizer

RB J. Howard, McCoy, Martin, Sims, Vereen, pumphrey, McGuire, T Cohen

WR TY Hilton, Mike Thomas, Larry Fitz, Sanders, Kenny Britt, Zay  Jones, Aiken, Darboh, Zamora, JJ Nelson, A Stewart, Funchess

TE Jesse James, Fleener, D Allen

I give TY

I get Alshon, Duke, McNichols

or

i give Mike Thomas, Martin/sims

i get Sammy Watkins/Cook RB/L Murray, Woodhead

 

[Gally]

I think I stay right where you are at.  I don't see where either deal really makes you any better.  The second deal gives you some more depth but I don't think it depth that is really needed.  I would rather keep Thomas & Martin.  You have plenty of RB depth to weather the storm while Martin is out to start the season.  I just hold tight.

 

[Borden]

Edit: I'm assuming this is dynasty?

Don't take trade 1: TY seems like a safer bet to be a WR1 and I don't think the extras don't really help your starting line up. 

For the other trade, it's a close. Wood head now has pretty good value for this season and Cook is good prospect. I like your Martin/Sims combo but it's tough to trust them, especially long term. The FF trust drop from Watkins to Thomas is pretty significant though. But I like Cook and I think how you value Cook is what decides this trade. If McCoy wasn't 29 I wouldn't worry too much about declining this trade but you can still have a decent starting WR set for this year with what you have. If you hit on Cook, you've secured both your RB spots for awhile. I take this trade. 

 

[travdogg]

I'd make deal #2 in a heartbeat. I think its a pretty good time to sell Michael Thomas. I feel like his value could be at its highest. He has long term QB issues, and hasn't proven he can beat #1 coverage. If Watkins can stay healthy(big if) I think he's a better WR. I also think Doug Martin is almost worthless. I'd be thrilled to upgrade from him to Cook. Cook has more talent, less competition, and is far younger, plus Woodhead is a nice throw in. 

 

[fightingillini]

1st offer is an easy reject.

2nd one I accept.  No gurantee that Mike Thomas takes the next step to elite status,  Watkins has stud potential (and could be out of BUF...into a better situation), Cook is a good prospect, and Woodhead can help you now.  I just can't trust Martin.  Taking this deal is risky, but has potential for a huge payoff.

 

[Gally]

There are lots of questions on both sides of this as borden, travdogg, and fightingillini have outlined.  They all are willing to take the risks associated with Watkins (injury) and Cook (rookie never having played in NFL)  and have played up the "Thomas being the focus and will take a step back narrative".  In addition to the Martin is overrated group.  That is the crux of this decision.  I think this means that choice B is a solid offer that totally hinges on which side of the plus/minus on each player you fall.  Great discussions here.

ETA:  For me it hinges on your current roster and I see it as good enough that I would rather take the safer (IMO) Thomas over the upside of Watkins and I like Martin better than the other commenters do.  Because of that I think your RB's are fine as they are.  I don't trust that Cook will be all that (and I am a Vikes fan so I may be tainted there...hahah). 

 

[travdogg]

There are lots of questions on both sides of this as borden, travdogg, and fightingillini have outlined.  They all are willing to take the risks associated with Watkins (injury) and Cook (rookie never having played in NFL)  and have played up the "Thomas being the focus and will take a step back narrative".  In addition to the Martin is overrated group.  That is the crux of this decision.  I think this means that choice B is a solid offer that totally hinges on which side of the plus/minus on each player you fall.  Great discussions here.

ETA:  For me it hinges on your current roster and I see it as good enough that I would rather take the safer (IMO) Thomas over the upside of Watkins and I like Martin better than the other commenters do.  Because of that I think your RB's are fine as they are.  I don't trust that Cook will be all that (and I am a Vikes fan so I may be tainted there...hahah). 

Always welcome to thought out debate.

I 100% get the safety of Thomas over Watkins, and I'll freely admit, I'm more ceiling than floor oriented. But I'm so anti-Martin that I think this is an easy accept. Not only is a Cook a better short and long term prospect than Martin, I'd argue Woodhead is too at this point, especially in PPR.

 

[fightingillini]

There are lots of questions on both sides of this as borden, travdogg, and fightingillini have outlined.  They all are willing to take the risks associated with Watkins (injury) and Cook (rookie never having played in NFL)  and have played up the "Thomas being the focus and will take a step back narrative".  In addition to the Martin is overrated group.  That is the crux of this decision.  I think this means that choice B is a solid offer that totally hinges on which side of the plus/minus on each player you fall.  Great discussions here.

ETA:  For me it hinges on your current roster and I see it as good enough that I would rather take the safer (IMO) Thomas over the upside of Watkins and I like Martin better than the other commenters do.  Because of that I think your RB's are fine as they are.  I don't trust that Cook will be all that (and I am a Vikes fan so I may be tainted there...hahah). 

Gally, I have a ton of respect for your contributions to the AC forum.  We aren't always going to agree.

Just to be clear, I don't think Thomas is going to regress.  There are people in the community that think.....now that Cooks is gone, Thomas will ascend to the WR elite.  That I don't necessarily agree with that.  Note that in NO during the Brees era, no WR has had more than 130 targets.  Now that might be a little skewed, since Jimmy Graham has had more than that in some years, but it's unlikely that Thomas will increase his target share by that much.  So I still like him for 87-90 catches for 1200 yards and 8-10 TDs.

If I had the choice between Thomas and Watkins, I would take Thomas easily.  But I like Cook much more in dynasty than Martin, and Woodhead is now a really good asset for the next year or two (and could be excellent trade bait for Matt's Eagles.....once Cook takes the job, I shop Woodhead and try to upgrade the TE spot)....and that's just gravy to me.

The upside of Watkins and Cook, along a nice short term piece in Woodhead, makes it an accept for me.

 

[Kam2]

I'd argue Woodhead is too at this point, especially in PPR.

With the news of Kenneth Dixon being out, I think Woodhead will be an easy RB2 in PPR as long as Flacco's back issues don't keep him out longer than the preseason. I like Michael Thomas more than Watkins but Dalvin and Woodhead are so much better than Doug Martin that I think this is a pretty easy buy on Deal 2.