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Which team do you see as "most improved" (1 Viewer)

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Baconator

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And why?

SOS, Draft, FA, Coach, etc..

And BTW - No fair picking Miami. Hell, they could go 2 and 14 and double their wins. :goodposting:

For me, not a lot of analysis here (dunno what they did with the draft), but I'm going with STL.

1) They have too much talent to be a 3-13 team.

2) They have a much weaker SOS.

3) They were largely decimated by injuries last year. Not so much a lack of talent as an abundance of injuries.

This may be the only team (Buff?) to go from a losing season last year to a winning season this year. Certainly the only 3-13 team to do so.*

KC did a really nice job with the draft, long term they'll be back in the hunt, but it may take a while for everything to gel.

* there were no other 3-13 teams. :D

 
Homer pick, but I'm going with the Jets.

They're not nearly as bad as they looked last year when the wheels just totally fell off. They made improvements on both sides of the line. QB is clearly an issue, but if the OL and defense do their jobs, whoever wins the QB job may just need to manage the game well.

 
Jets

4-12 last year and I don't think they were as bad as they appeared. They played pretty tough against the better teams (really only got waxed by the Pats once and Dallas). Couple that with their draft (Gholston) and FA acquisitions and trades (Jenkins, Faneca, Pace, Woody, etc.) and it would not surprise me to see them go 10-6 with a six game swing from last year.

 
I will put a vote in for the Oakland Raiders.

I think they can win 8 or 9 games this year which is a huge improvement. I don't think their division is very strong other than San Diego. They have a pretty solid running game and a lot of big names on defense. They should be able to run enough to take pressure off their starting QB and I think they are capable of being the most improved this year as far as total wins.

 
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets match their win total from last year. I'm not a fan so I don't keep up with them like real fans do, but there's nothing about them that excites me. Are they particularly explosive anywhere? The 10-6 season seems like a fluke to me. But I've been wrong before.

I agree that Stl has to improve a great deal. They still have offensive talent that can keep them in games, and a clutch kicker that could win three on his own.

I also think that, with their new faces, Atlanta will improve a lot. Maybe their record won't reflect that, but they'll go from old re-treads just hanging around to a younger team that can be built into something. At the very least, they'll have a team the fans can think will go somewhere in the future. I think that's a measure of improvement as well.

I also think the 49ers will improve, but I'm not sure how much. I say the Rams.

 
Baconator said:
And why?

SOS, Draft, FA, Coach, etc..

And BTW - No fair picking Miami. Hell, they could go 2 and 14 and double their wins. :rolleyes:

For me, not a lot of analysis here (dunno what they did with the draft), but I'm going with STL.

1) They have too much talent to be a 3-13 team.

2) They have a much weaker SOS.

3) They were largely decimated by injuries last year. Not so much a lack of talent as an abundance of injuries.

This may be the only team (Buff?) to go from a losing season last year to a winning season this year. Certainly the only 3-13 team to do so.*

KC did a really nice job with the draft, long term they'll be back in the hunt, but it may take a while for everything to gel.
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I think Buffalo could be the Cinderella team of 08.They get Pos back. Then they trade for Marques Stroud so their biggest weakness, stopping the run, should vastly improve. I like the young QB Edwards and young QBs tend to make their biggest improvements between their first and second years so I expect a bump in his play. The selection of Hardy could pay rare rookie WR dividends due to how they plan on using him. Then add in the 'Tim Russert' factor and you have a sleeper pick for the year.

 
Warhogs said:
I will put a vote in for the Oakland Raiders.I think they can win 8 or 9 games this year which is a huge improvement. I don't think their division is very strong other than San Diego. They have a pretty solid running game and a lot of big names on defense. They should be able to run enough to take pressure off their starting QB and I think they are capable of being the most improved this year as far as total wins.
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I'm a raider fan but I can't agree. Not with a brand new qb. Raiders havent won more than 5 games since 2002.I could see Miami winning 6 games this year, now that the tuna is running the show; that would be a 5-game upswing.
 
Minnesota will become a playoff team and could challenge Dallas

they are in the NFC North - nuff said

Oline is solid

they stopped the run cold, and with Jared Allen and Tyrell Johnson maybe they get better against the pass

added Berrian and Rice a year older

and they have some guy named Peterson with a talented backup

it's all up to TJax/Booty/Frerotte

 
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Another vote for the Jets. The Jets were in almost every game last year and could have just as easily finished with 7 wins. With a drastically improved OLine and huge improvements in their pass rush, I don't see how they don't win at least 8 games. They could very easily win 10 games with their schedule and sneak into the playoffs.

 
Baconator said:
I'm going with STL. This may be the only team (Buff?) to go from a losing season last year to a winning season this year. Certainly the only 3-13 team to do so.*
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The Saints were 7-9 and if they get the D playing at a higher level, which they should, then they're in a position to make a Super Bowl run. Of all the sub .500 teams the Saints jump out at me the most. 12-4 is a five game improvement and very possible. I don't see any other team I feel has a reasonable chance to be five wins better than last year.
 
I like where Houston is headed as a franchise. They have a brutal division so it might be tough for them to make the playoffs, but I think they're reaching a point where they can give any team in the league a pretty good game most weeks.

I also think Arizona and Minnesota could be playoff teams.

 
It's the obvious choice, but it has to be Miami if we're looking at record as the arbiter of most improved. Miami underperformed its talent level last year quite a bit (they were a 4 win team, most likely). Even if the team is no better than it was talent-wise, the luck factor should balance out and give them a big swing in record.

I think the question is a lot tougher if you forget wins and losses and want to know what team really has improved the most. I will say I think it's almost certainly not Miami, though.

 
Obviously you have to pick a team with a lousy record and hope they improve. There are a couple that come to mind for me, it's a toss up between the Rams and the Raiders.

The Raiders can run the ball and IFFFF their young QB is a player, that is potential to imrpove.

On the Rams side, I believe Chris Long is a difference maker. I'm not sure if they get dramatically better this year, but that defense will improve. If their offensive line keeps Bulger up and Jackson is healthy, the Rams could end up winning some more balls games in a weak NFC.

 
I'd have to go with the Vikings. J. Allen should make the D one of the best, and B. Berrian can go deep. There are still some questions to be answered, but every team has those in some form or another.

 
KingAlfred said:
I'd have to go with the Vikings. J. Allen should make the D one of the best, and B. Berrian can go deep. There are still some questions to be answered, but every team has those in some form or another.
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B. Berrian might be able to run deep, but who's going to throw the ball deep to him? The Vikings have 3 RB's... ADP, Chester Taylor of T. Jackson.
 
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Miami will be most improved by a longshot IMHO.

They have languished without any real help on the O-Line for decades. Now they get that franchise OT. Pace helped turn around St. Louis. Odgen then helped Baltimore. I like Miami to be that team this year.

Also, I like the Jets and the Vikings alot also. Especially the Vikings. They have the O-Line and the Defense to really make a statement this year.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets match their win total from last year. I'm not a fan so I don't keep up with them like real fans do, but there's nothing about them that excites me. Are they particularly explosive anywhere? The 10-6 season seems like a fluke to me. But I've been wrong before.
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While they may not excite yet, I think the only hole on the entire team is at QB, granted that's the big one. Every other unit on the whole team is above average IMO... Like many teams though Health will be key.I think the defense can be explosive as a unit and I think it will score points on turnovers and be a great Fantasy D. They have a special player at each level now on D - At LB they have Harris who is a beast with rookie Gholston and FA Pace ,they have Rhodes at Saftey, Revis at CB and we'll have to see how the big man Jenkin holds up. But, that 1 position upgrade means a lot to this defense and everyone else's role...Same with Faneca on the OL... I think the whole offense can be real good depending on just solid QB play. With good OL play I certainly think Jones / Washington can be explosive with FA Tony Richardson blocking. And once you get a good ground game I think Coles Cotchery canbe explosibe - Stuckey is the up and comer along with Keller at TE the big target they needed with speed.They are going to play defensive games and run the ball against a much easier schedule than last year.... I expect 9+ Wins this year.Personally, I'm as excited about this team and it's personell as I've ever been - I know, it's not saying much as a Jets fan. I'm not always an optomistic fan but, I am right now - I expect a major step up and then fill in a few more pieces and depth to contend next year.
 
I put in another vote for the Jets.

I like their trade aquisition(Jenkins), FA moves(Faneca,Pace,Woody,Richardson), and their draft(Gholston,Keller). 4 wins should be easy to improve on

 
Hairy Snowman said:
Miami will be most improved by a longshot IMHO.They have languished without any real help on the O-Line for decades. Now they get that franchise OT. Pace helped turn around St. Louis. Odgen then helped Baltimore. I like Miami to be that team this year.Also, I like the Jets and the Vikings alot also. Especially the Vikings. They have the O-Line and the Defense to really make a statement this year.
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I like the miami pick with the Parcells factor BUT - If Jason Taylor is not on that defense I think they take a major step back - The secondary is bad - Now take away their best pass rusher and they just might get torched and then the running game relying on Brown coming back healthy will be negated so, you rely on an unproven QB with unproven weapons to win shoot outs with a guy learning to play LT who may take his lumps vs speed rushers when they try to play catch up.I see improvement but nothing special - maybe 5-6 wins.I do like the Vikes though.
 
The Rams and Dolphins I think make the biggest jump in wins, the reason being that the management has worked hard in the offseason and particularly the Rams have gotten so many players back from injury. Not because they lost so many last year.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
KingAlfred said:
I'd have to go with the Vikings. J. Allen should make the D one of the best, and B. Berrian can go deep. There are still some questions to be answered, but every team has those in some form or another.
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B. Berrian might be able to run deep, but who's going to throw the ball deep to him? The Vikings have 3 RB's... ADP, Chester Taylor of T. Jackson.
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Well, fair point, QB is the question mark there and that's why I said they have questions. However, if T. Jackson can improve to the point where he can be at least an effective game manager and throw the occasional deep ball to B. Berrian, I think it is not unreasonable for them to be a solid playoff team.
 
Jets. Going to go out on a limb and say 11-5 this year.

Ok, so I am a self-admitted Jets fan who finally got his Jets season tickets after being on the waiting list for 13 years, ha. I see it more like 9/10 wins and St. Louis right there for most improved, too. Jackson healthy and their injuries would be as ridiculous this year.

 
Biggest record difference: Rams

Most improved: Jets

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Jimmy James said:
I think the question is a lot tougher if you forget wins and losses and want to know what team really has improved the most. I will say I think it's almost certainly not Miami, though.
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I agree. When I mention the Saints, I'm talking about wins and losses. I think they have a good shot at improving by 5 and I don't see other teams with a better shot at that. Maybe Miami (6-9) or St. Louis (8-8). I prefer the Rams of those two for the same reason I like the Saints. Both of those teams were better than their records and other issues set them back. Doing better for them doesn't necessarily make them most improved.I like the Vikes as the most improved team. Tarvaris was settling down late last season and is going to be much better. Berrian is an upgrade and both Rice and Allison are going to be better. Rice might be a very high quality receiver. Peterson is going to be better. A healthy Winfield with the best DE in football makes that cover 2 a lot better. Griffin and McCauley will both be better DBs. Madieu Williams is another significant upgrade. That's a lot of improvement.
 
I'll go with Atlanta. They were a poorly coached team last year(especially on defense) who lost a bunch of close games last year. They have a last place schedule, no pressure and an easy division.

Tampa has a below average offense and a very good defense

New Orleans has a good offense and an average at best defense

Carolina has a decent offense and a decent defense, but never both at the same time

With a little luck Atlanta could go 4-2 or so against these teams. Mularkey was a solid hire, I like what I've heard about Smith. I'm a believer in Matt Ryan, Turner and White are legit weapons.

They probably only need to hit 9-7 to make the playoffs(hell that won the division last year.)

I think come about week 5 or 6, people are going to be saying "where the heck did Atlanta come from."

 
I agree with others with regards to the Jets and Bills, both teams should be much improved.

Everyone is kicking dirt on the KC Chiefs , but they could surprise people this season. Dorsey will be a force on that d-line, the big run stuffer the team has lacked in recent years. They'll play better defensively , and because of that, their offense should have more possessions per game..LJ is coming back full strength, they face the 5th easiest schedule against the run, and Branden Albert should become a force on the O-line once he settles in...Chan Gailey was brought in for one reason: to jumpstart the running game which I'm sure he'll be able to manage. The QB position is in flux, but with Bowe as a legit WR threat on the outside, and Gonzo still running routes over the middle, there are options for Bowe/Huard..The AFC West isn't exactly the toughest division in the NFL, either..I'm not sold on the Raiders defense, and the same can be said about Denver..

8-8 or 9-7 for the 2008 Chiefs, IMO..

 
Panthers, almost every year at this time. Fox is underrated. They had far too many good players out last year. Smith and Peppers are game changing players that can dominate.

Good changes-

I loved to watch Dan Morgan but I would imagine it's hard to always lose one of your better players that plays such an important role in the defensive scheme. Just having someone play that position for 16 weeks might be a bigger deal than it seems.

Good competition at RB, instead of "who's healthy"

Delhomme is actually getting some competition this year. Even though I think he's going to be the day 1 starter, it's nice to read of him having to work for it.

Colbert and Carter seemed like WRs that just would never reach their potential but yet the team had high hopes for them. They're gone and now they've got a great teacher in Muhsin and still have some good prospects.

On and on, I think they made all the moves they needed to make.

 
Chase Stuart said:
travdogg said:
They have a last place schedule
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There's no such thing as a last place schedule anymore. The Falcons' schedule ties for the league lead in playing the most teams this year that won their division in '07.
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:confused: :confused: Did they change how they make the schedule? Cause near as I can tell...there are Eight teams which each have two more division winners on their schedule.
 
Just two seasons ago the Baltimore Ravens won 13 games and had one of the greatest defenses ever. Last season they were bit badly by the injury bug.

-Todd Heap missed 10 games

- Trevor Pryce missed 11 games

-Chris McAllister missed 8 games

- Samari Rolle missed 10 games

- Jonathan Ogden missed 5 games

- Steve McNair missed 10 games

-Ray Lewis missed 2 games

- Mark Clayton played in every game but could only start 12 due to injuries

That's a lot of talent unavailable for them last season. Don't get me wrong. They're heavily flawed in some areas like quarterback (they've won without one in the past) and offensive line. Overall I still think that the Ravens are one of the more talented teams in the NFL.

If the Ravens can take care of their weak pass defense (having healthy corners would help) and the offense can get some level of stability I think that Baltimore could be a surprise team in 2008.

 
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renesauz said:
Chase Stuart said:
travdogg said:
They have a last place schedule
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There's no such thing as a last place schedule anymore. The Falcons' schedule ties for the league lead in playing the most teams this year that won their division in '07.
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:lmao: :no: Did they change how they make the schedule? Cause near as I can tell...there are Eight teams which each have two more division winners on their schedule.
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The Falcons play the Bucs twice, the Packers and the Chargers. That's four division winners.The Patriots, for example, play the Chargers, Steelers, Colts and Seahawks. Those are the only division winners they play.
 
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