Whisenhunt and Leinart (1 Viewer)

[Young 8]

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“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

 

[Pat Patriot]

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“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

I started today with Matt Leinart and JP Losman as my QB's. This is a deep 14 team league. The only starting QB still on the WW is Kyle Boller (and he is only a fill in for McNair). Now Trent Edwards would be available if Losman is hurt long term and Warner is available but my team is likely 2-1 and I wont have the waiver position to get them.I put in claims for D. Anderson and J. McNown last week because I knew my QB depth stinks but they got scooped up.

 

[bengalboy]

http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.ph...2&blogId=30



“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

**blank stare**

 

[joffer]

http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.ph...2&blogId=30



“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

I started today with Matt Leinart and JP Losman as my QB's. This is a deep 14 team league. The only starting QB still on the WW is Kyle Boller (and he is only a fill in for McNair). Now Trent Edwards would be available if Losman is hurt long term and Warner is available but my team is likely 2-1 and I wont have the waiver position to get them.I put in claims for D. Anderson and J. McNown last week because I knew my QB depth stinks but they got scooped up.

please keep us updated

 

[Chase Stuart]

Interesting tactic. The hurry up offense is a small part of a team's offense, but it's a very important one. Like your goal line package, it can affect your W/L column a lot more than your raw offensive statistics. I can only assume that Warner's MUCH better than Leinart at running this particular offense, because:

1) It's an unconventional decision to play two QBs

2) It's going to get ripped whenever it doesn't work

3) It's going to get ripped before it gets a chance to work

4) Coaches are risk averse, and even more importantly, more about CYA than anything.

Whisenhunt has to be confident this is the right decision and will help his team get some Ws. I don't think any of us know as much as he does about it, so I'll defer to him. Should be interesting if this plays out.

 

[Peyton Marino]

they've had 2 training camps and almost a whole season to get leinart ready to run the hurry up offense.

the guy is their QB of the future and he's out of the game during the most important parts.

 

[gregjcross]

Leinart is in his second year, as coach Vermiel would say, "still in diapers." This is the reason Wisenhunt did this, the guy was not ready to face the Ravens and Warner obviously was. I'm a Leinart owner and I cant say with a straight face that it was a bad coaching move. Look at the results.

they've had 2 training camps and almost a whole season to get leinart ready to run the hurry up offense. the guy is their QB of the future and he's out of the game during the most important parts.

 

[Bri]

Warner rocks in that offense. Leinart doesn't

 

[OddibeMcD]

If this does keep up, it basically makes Leinart unstartable. Massive hit to his value IMO.

 

[Banger]

QBBC....glad I passed on Leinart.

 

[Sweet Love]

Besides egos getting in the way and "going against the norm", I can't see why this would not work. Opposing teams spend countless hours getting ready for a QB each week, imagine the pressure it would put on them if they have to get ready for two. In fact, I think it would be safe to say that today's results while Warner was in had as much to do with his performance as it did with the Ravens not being ready for him.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Besides egos getting in the way and "going against the norm", I can't see why this would not work. Opposing teams spend countless hours getting ready for a QB each week, imagine the pressure it would put on them if they have to get ready for two. In fact, I think it would be safe to say that today's results while Warner was in had as much to do with his performance as it did with the Ravens not being ready for him.

It seems like Warner and Leinart have a pretty good relationship. I don't think egos will get in the way, here.

 

[massraider]

If it works, swell.

But I have to wonder if there are enough reps in practice for both QBs. One thing I have always read or heard is that backups get almost no action with the 1st team. Is the plan to have both QBs get equal work, or for Warner to work exclusively when they practice the hurry-up? I would be interested to know if this affects practice at all.

Either way, I give props to Whiz for outside the box thinking, whether it works or not.

 

[Traders2001]

Warner rocks in that offense. Leinart doesn't

Leinart has zero mobility he simply sucks.

 

[Young 8]

. I'm a Leinart owner and I cant say with a straight face that it was a bad coaching move. Look at the results.

the results are:1) they still lost the game2) Whisenmoron killed all the confidence on an already shaky Leinartnice move

 

[teamroc]

Leinart just isn't that good. I've seen him play 5-6 times in the NFL and never been impressed. He doesn't have a strong arm, he makes constant mistakes, and with those WRs, TE, RB, there's simply no excuse.

If 48 year old Warner can come off the bench, and light up the Ravens, then clearly Leinart is the problem.

 

[Young 8]

Leinart just isn't that good. I've seen him play 5-6 times in the NFL and never been impressed. He doesn't have a strong arm, he makes constant mistakes, and with those WRs, TE, RB, there's simply no excuse.If 48 year old Warner can come off the bench, and light up the Ravens, then clearly Leinart is the problem.

you could basically say the same about the 2nd year Brees, Eli Manning, Alex Smith (well...he still sucks...)

 

[heidbrink]

Leinart just isn't that good. I've seen him play 5-6 times in the NFL and never been impressed. He doesn't have a strong arm, he makes constant mistakes, and with those WRs, TE, RB, there's simply no excuse.If 48 year old Warner can come off the bench, and light up the Ravens, then clearly Leinart is the problem.

Bam! There you have it folks.

 

[azgroover]

I work about a mile away from the Cards facility. Tomorrow I'll drop in and leave a note to Whiz that some redraft guys are extremely disappointed in his decision to run a 2 QB system. Joking aside. Leinart sometimes just looks a little lost out there. I know last week the local paper showed him out on the town in Scottsdale clubs (w/ Nick Lachey of course) the night before their game against Seattle. Could Matt's study habits be in question? Whiz did say that Leinart was the first one in and the last one out of practice all week. At some point though, he's going to have to remember the reason he's got all this fame and exposure. I'm not saying all is lost, but if any pass protection can be offered whatsoever, I'm much more comfortable letting Warner pick defenses apart rather than watching Leinart throw the ball to spots where no WRs route crosses.

 

[bostonfred]

Leinart just isn't that good. I've seen him play 5-6 times in the NFL and never been impressed. He doesn't have a strong arm, he makes constant mistakes, and with those WRs, TE, RB, there's simply no excuse.If 48 year old Warner can come off the bench, and light up the Ravens, then clearly Leinart is the problem.

He seems really inexperienced. Most of the mistakes I've seen him make are because he either holds onto the ball too long, or throws into coverage, both because he's not seeing the game at NFL speed. Leinart's a smart quarterback, but I would guess that he's overthinking things, and a little bit afraid to throw into coverage. He's going to have to learn to have confidence in his receivers and learn to throw into tighter spots than he did in college. Taking him out in pressure situations, especially against a defense as good as the Ravens, may seem like a lack of confidence, but if it works, it should really help his confidence, allowing him to play instinctually. That's far more important right now than his ego.

 

[knowledge dropper]

You know your mobility is suspect when they have to put in a statue like Warner as a change up.

Leinart's fantasy value is in the toilet until Warner gets injured again.

 

[Lash]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

 

[Chase Stuart]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

Yeah that offense was all Mike Williams, Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

 

[SteelerMurf]

boy the Steelers are gonna miss Whiz

 

[Da Guru]

http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.ph...2&blogId=30



“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

Why? It worked. Leinart will be the setup man for Warner.

 

[Da Guru]

. I'm a Leinart owner and I cant say with a straight face that it was a bad coaching move. Look at the results.

the results are:1) they still lost the game2) Whisenmoron killed all the confidence on an already shaky Leinartnice move

With Warner the wRS are both top 10..screw Leinart.

 

[azgroover]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

Is this a serious post or ?

 

[GoBirds]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

Yeah that offense was all Mike Williams, Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

Jarrett was pretty good to.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

Yeah that offense was all Mike Williams, Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

Jarrett was pretty good to.

I'll give him some games before ripping on him. Same with Steve Smith 2.0.

 

[Young 8]

http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.ph...2&blogId=30



“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

Why? It worked. Leinart will be the setup man for Warner.

is this football or baseball ???LOL

 

[GoBirds]

Cutler looks infinitely better at this point and AZ passed on him to pick a guy that rode coattails

Yeah that offense was all Mike Williams, Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

Jarrett was pretty good to.

I'll give him some games before ripping on him. Same with Steve Smith 2.0.

Name another QB with that much NFL talent starting around him in college, Cutler and Young didn't have close to the surrounding cast.

 

[delusional]

#### Leinart

### #### ##### made me sit Boldin because of how bad he was doing along with the run run run run run run pass run run play calling

 

[Raider Nation]

Perhaps the most bothersome thing I saw today was one of the sacks Leinart took. A safety came around the corner and barely touched him... it was more like he was whispering sweet nothings in his ear - and Leinart went down like he'd been shot. Easy for me to say that he shouldn't be gun shy when facing Baltimore's defense, but it was still very telling. It actually reminded me a lot of Rob Johnson when he was in Buffalo, and that's a VERY bad thing.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

. I'm a Leinart owner and I cant say with a straight face that it was a bad coaching move. Look at the results.

the results are:1) they still lost the game2) Whisenmoron killed all the confidence on an already shaky Leinartnice move

They almost beat Baltimore in Baltimore after coming back from 20 points down. How exactly do you know that Leinhart's confidence was killed? Stop assuming things.

 

[Billy1x]

http://blogs.eastvalleytribune.com/view.ph...2&blogId=30



“Matt is still our starting quarterback,” Whisenhunt says.

The coach say Warner’s experience makes him better suited to run a hurry-up offense. Warner’s appearance in the first half, when he led the Cardinals to a field goal, their only score in the first half, was planned.

Then Whisenhunt went back to Warner and the hurry-up when the Cardinals were way behind. He says the Cardinals will use this approach in the future.

But we can see what we can see. Warner was much more effective than Leinart.

Look like the Cardinals have a two-quarterback system.

And that will lead to much, much discussion.

i really hope this is a joke

Why? It worked. Leinart will be the setup man for Warner.

Typical baseball move. Start with Lefty for 7 or 8 innings and bring in your right handed reliever. Every team in baseball uses this technique with great success.

 

[EMoney]

Did anyone notice that Warner had some newly acquired pocket presence today? He looked damn good on every pass that he threw. You could argue that he had a near flawless game against one of the league's best defenses. Also, the receivers on the Cardinals perked up when he came into the game and were about 10 times more confident than they were earlier in the game.

 

[kutta]

. I'm a Leinart owner and I cant say with a straight face that it was a bad coaching move. Look at the results.

the results are:1) they still lost the game2) Whisenmoron killed all the confidence on an already shaky Leinartnice move

They almost beat Baltimore in Baltimore after coming back from 20 points down. How exactly do you know that Leinhart's confidence was killed? Stop assuming things.

Why would you say his confidence wasn't killed? He was on the sidelines when a has-been came in and did in a couple series what Leinhart couldn't do all day. It sure doesn't help his confidence.I love the move. I think Leinhart should be benched and Warner should start a few games. The offense has looked bad all season with Leinhart in there, and in less than a half against one of the best D's in the league, on the road, Warner moves the ball like it's nothing. It's about wins for the Cards right now. Let Warner have a shot.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

So what about Leinart makes him bad at a hurry up offense?

 

[JMJ]

So what about Leinart makes him bad at a hurry up offense?

The fact that he is Matt Leinart.HTH.

 

[BusMan]

Perhaps the most bothersome thing I saw today was one of the sacks Leinart took. A safety came around the corner and barely touched him... it was more like he was whispering sweet nothings in his ear - and Leinart went down like he'd been shot. Easy for me to say that he shouldn't be gun shy when facing Baltimore's defense, but it was still very telling. It actually reminded me a lot of Rob Johnson when he was in Buffalo, and that's a VERY bad thing.

You've hit the nail on the head, here, RAIDERNATION. On that play, he was slightly bumped in the shoulder and he immediately went into the fetal position. To be more clear, he fell down he wasn't knocked down. That kind of reaction to pressure is not going to fly with the other guys on the team and the coaching staff. Leinart definitely has some issues right now; it'll be interesting to see how he responds.

 

[Sopranos]

#### Leinart### #### ##### made me sit Boldin because of how bad he was doing along with the run run run run run run pass run run play calling

Matt didnt do that, you did. Always start your studs dumb###

 

[Tommy Collins]

The offense has looked bad all season with Leinhart in there

All season? It's been 2 1/2 games.

 

[kutta]

The offense has looked bad all season with Leinhart in there

All season? It's been 2 1/2 games.

Since the game this week is over, it's been 3 games. That's close to 20% of the season. This isn't baseball.

 

[Marc Faletti]

Before everyone starts crowing his *ss, let's remember that Warner often looks good for a game or two before teams remember that blitzing him every down causes massive carnage.

Remember last year? Starts out throwing for 301 and 3 TD, then drops to 231 and 1 with 1 INT (vs. SEA no less), then throws for 256 and 3 INT with a TD, then 128 with 0 TD and a pick vs ATL (again, not a scary pass D). At that point, everyone was clamoring for Leinart, and in he came.

And if that's not enough, remember when he started 5-0 with the Giants in 2004? Well, in his last 4 games for them, he never topped 200 yards and combined to throw 2 TD and 2 INT.

He is who we thought he was. Don't let him off the hook.

 

[Young 8]

Before everyone starts crowing his *ss, let's remember that Warner often looks good for a game or two before teams remember that blitzing him every down causes massive carnage. Remember last year? Starts out throwing for 301 and 3 TD, then drops to 231 and 1 with 1 INT (vs. SEA no less), then throws for 256 and 3 INT with a TD, then 128 with 0 TD and a pick vs ATL (again, not a scary pass D). At that point, everyone was clamoring for Leinart, and in he came. And if that's not enough, remember when he started 5-0 with the Giants in 2004? Well, in his last 4 games for them, he never topped 200 yards and combined to throw 2 TD and 2 INT.He is who we thought he was. Don't let him off the hook.

i agree

 

[Young 8]

The offense has looked bad all season with Leinhart in there

All season? It's been 2 1/2 games.

Since the game this week is over, it's been 3 games. That's close to 20% of the season. This isn't baseball.

well, he played 60/65% of the game today so........

 

[FFCardsFan]

leinart is just very inconsistant. some games he comes out, looks calm and ready and fires with confidence and is pretty successful. but so far this season, he just doesnt look comfortable at all. he has happy feet. he drops back and it just looks like he doesnt know what the play is or waht hes doin. i agree that warner should start and let matt get a few more games to learn under warner. that cant hurt right?

 

[mcjc4]

And as bad as it looked all game, it tooks the ref's to make a bull#### :defenseless" WR penalty to give the Ravens the game! Brutal call on a clean hit with his SHOULDER!. Not helmet to helmet. Warner looked better, obviously, but Matt is the future. You either ride it out all year with him to see if he can play at this level, or you switch back and forth and wonder game to game and into next season if he can handle the heat. This team is not going to playoffs with WKurt or Matt at QB, you need to see if he can develop into a primetime QB.

 

[username]

waner gives them a better chance to win games... period.

fuxx the future.

Warner may be a George Blanda without the leg but Leinart is no Darryl Lamonica

 

[Bri]

Why would you say his confidence wasn't killed? He was on the sidelines when a has-been came in and did in a couple series what Leinhart couldn't do all day. It sure doesn't help his confidence.

Leinart could afford to lose some confidence.His confidence/arrogance level doesn't match his play level. Like you also said, and others, I think let the old guy show the young guy how it's done. It's too night and day difference.