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Despite the lack of evidence, I'd believe you were a Bengals fan long before that Tiki Barber guy.
Normally this is where someone asks if you want Cheese with your whine. But your name is cheese. I'm confused on what the proper course of action is at this point. help?
Stop crying.
You are a very Classy Bengals fan
And may I say you guys got a good coach and good team and will be back in the playoffs for years to come. Although I hope the outcome remains the same.
That was NOT a cheap shot. I can't believe that some people are saying that, especially after seeing the defensive players reaction.You are a very Classy Bengals fan
When he saw Palmer down, he actually looked upset about it. He's really got to feel like crap right now, eventhough it was an accident.That was NOT a cheap shot. I can't believe that some people are saying that, especially after seeing the defensive players reaction.You are a very Classy Bengals fan
Exactly - I'm sure he's happy to be advancing to the next round, but, at the same time, I'm sure he feels horrible about the injury.When he saw Palmer down, he actually looked upset about it. He's really got to feel like crap right now, eventhough it was an accident.That was NOT a cheap shot. I can't believe that some people are saying that, especially after seeing the defensive players reaction.You are a very Classy Bengals fan
Couldn't I have said the same thing to you when you were using Roethlisberger's injury as an excuse for several Pittsburgh losses?
I have no doubt he feels bad about it, but when you dive into a quarterback's knees from the side, what do you think is going to happen?
Though you and I disagree on how intentional or accidental the injury was, I agree with what you say above. We'll never know who would have won with Palmer in there, but what's clear is that the Bengals never could pass beyond 15-20 yards past the line of scrimmage with Kitna in there, and the deep passing game was what made their offense remarkable this year.
Quiz, I think you are generally reasonable. Watch the replay. IF you were KIMO, are you SURE you aren't affecting the Pass? Is ANY lineman in that situation ever sure? Geez, it's not like he went DIVING in UNtouched on a kamikaze mission, why is everyone so SURE he was hellbent on an injury HIT?Much ado about NOTHING.
There's a reason he was available when Madieu and Kim Herring both went down for the season. The pool of safeties was shallow this year - look at the Patriots trying to get some use out of Artrell Hawkins for example.The Bengal D's strengths were in the secondary, and with both starting safeties down for the year, the D-Line just wasn't up to the task of taking some heat off them in run support or getting to the QB.
Ohalete must suffer cruel and unusual punishment for all 2005 transgressions. Brat must be forced to watch reel after reel after reel of Rudi's three straight seasons of 4.0 plus YPC film.
In Marvin We Trust.
(Oh, and Big Ben is a Big Ninny)
Roethlisberger's injury WAS the main reason why they lost those games. The Bengals lost yesterday's game primarily because they could not stop the Steelers when it matter most, and because they flubbed a field goal which led to a Pittsburgh TD and a 21-17 deficit rather than a 20-14 lead. Palmer wouldn't have helped in either case.That said, if Bengal fans want to point to the injury as having a deleterious effect on their offensive output, or even the team's collective psyche, I won't disagree with that. If they want to say that the game may have been different with Palmer in there, I can live with that too. What I cannot abide is people calling that a "cheap shot." I did NOT come on here and start claiming that the hit Roethlisberger took in San Diego was cheap, and it was virtually the same play that took Palmer out. Injuries happen. All my reasoning that Maddox's play was killing the Steelers wouldn't have been worth a quirt of piss if the Steelers hadn't won out and made the playoffs. No one was giving them a free pass, and no one's giving the Bengals one either.
von Oelhoffen's back was to Palmer as he went to the ground. He did what anyone would do, tried to get to the QB and make a play. There was no intent there whatsoever and to insinuate otherwise comes off as sour grapes.Maybe we will get whomped by the Colts next week, and maybe we won't. We'll be there though, and we'll come to play.
Kitna is also a proven veteran who played a pretty damn good first half. The Bengals had a 10 point lead and maybe should have gameplanned a little better at that point? Why did they give up on Rudi Johnson so early (did he even have 15 carries)? They knew going into the game that Rudi would be the key regardless of who was at qb. They abandoned the running game earlier in the year and lost. They were effective running the ball in Pittsburgh and won. It's not that hard--run Rudi and you win. But they started to get cute and have Kitna carry the team on his back. Also, even with Palmer in the game I didn't see a defense that could stop the Steelers offense. The outcome of the game could have been different but I didn't see enough out of the other 21 cincy players to make me believe that. It's a shame that the injury occurred but I believe in my heart that the Steelers were and are the better team at this point in time.
I am one of the biggest Bengals fan on this board and have been for years.I tend to disagree that the primary reason for the loss should be blamed on the defense. Sure, they were not great, but they gave up 31 in PIT and won because of their offense and Palmer.
Well as Evil mentioned, I think it's natural for Bengals homers to think the outcome would have been different just as it's natural for Steelers homers to think that the outcome would have been the same. It's a real shame that the injury happened because the previous two contests between the two teams were good games. We'll never know what would have happened. I think the Bengals have a strong future ahead of them as do the Steelers with Ben at the helm. We're witnessing the beginning of a new rivalry.
What "sickened" you about what Porter and Ward said?It was a chippy game from the start. After numerous plays, players from both teams pushed and shoved each other. The trash talking was almost out of control at times. The Steelers thought the Bengals were too excited about making the playoffs and being considered an up-and-coming team.
Palmer went out on the second play of the game and Kitna went down and scored on his first 3 drives. How did Kitna kill the Benglas momentum? Twice Kitna gave the Bengals double-digit leads and the defense blew them. It was the Bengals defense that let you down (them and the special teams for the mishandled field goal attempt).
Kitna is likely the best backup QB in the league. Be glad you don't have Tommy Maddox as a backup. That guy is teh crappy, not Kitna.
Hey Brant. Bengal fan here too. I agree with you mostly. If Palmer's in there we in IMO.
You disregard the fact that replay clearly showed that play was a TD though. Randle-El had possession, got both feet down, turned over, and was on his back in the end zone when the Cincinnati defender pulled the ball away from him. If there hadn't been a flag on that play, Cowher would clearly undoubtedly have challenged it, and the only difference it would have made is that "Worthlessburger" would have had 4 TDs against your secondary instead of 3 (and Bettis wouldn't have gotten one.)All the speculation about what might have happened is moot. If Roethlisberger hadn't been hit in the knee earlier in the year and missed 4 games, the Steelers probably would have been 13-3 and wouldn't have even been playing yesterday. Injuries happen, it's part of the game - it's how a team copes with those in juries that shows what they're made of. When they showed the Cincinnati sideline after Palmer went down, it looked like the players were seeing a ghost - all their confidence seemed to be gone. They got it back by getting chippy on the field and trying to convert their anger into intensity, but that only works for so long. The second half, the Steelers showed what playoff experience and physical play bring to the table in big games, and Cincinnati was just outgunned.
I was more upset by the reaction of the Steelers fans in my vicinity - though of course these are same types that blame the 3 INTs Roethlisberger had on the thumb but not the 300+ yards. The "anything that helps my team" mentality is a bit much sometimes - guess these same folks figured Darryl Stingley getting paralyzed was good because it made New England less of a contender going into that season (yes the game was vs. the Raiders but why let the train of thought of rooting for injuries involve only games your team plays in)? Anyhow I got the full flavor of the Steeler fan next to me when we shook hands and said 'good luck' to each other before the game and how 10-15 minutes later he was cheering Palmer getting hurt.
Dunno what would happen with Palmer in there, but I don't think he'd look as lost as Kitna did in the 2nd half. Kitna may be one of the top 2 or 3 backups in the league, but that still puts him in the high-20s in terms of NFL QBs. That wasn't going to cut it.
I do think we clearly didn't adjust as well as Pitt did after half-time, or else Marvin felt he could do the same game plan with Kitna.
But as the other poster above said there really is no closure on this one - this feels hollow like when Krumrie broke his leg in XXIII and was replaced by a rookie.
I'll have to look at the tape again closer on the TV (was set back aways where I was watching it)...then again maybe I'd just as soon not. I'll take the Bengals players words regarding Kimo. I'm also fine with what Marvin said actually - they whined to the league and ultimately the league looked at the Odell tape and fined him - $0. Nothing. I don't Kimo's in line for a fine either but just cuz there's a flag (or not) doesn't mean something happened. Lord knows that was the case in all 4 games this Sunday
-QG
Classy post.
Jobbed, huh? I'm sure Cincy fans believe they'd have won with Palmer and Steelers fans don't believe it would've mattered since the Steelers averaged over 10 yards per pass ATTEMPT and over 4 yards per carry. The Steelers scored 31 easily and could've had more, so to say Palmer would've won the game isn't fair.To be sure, the injury had a huge impact on the game, and that sucks. At a minimum, the game would've been closer, but Kitna played very well in the first half.
That WAS cool of Johnson to do that. I remember Kevin Greene years ago going out to fans camping overnight outside of Three Rivers because extra playoff tickets were going on sale the next morning.
2) Don't know if this happened anywhere else or if it was just the satellite feed to the bar I was at, but there were a few moments where - I kid you not - the screen changed from color to black and white. Steeler fans in the control booth? 3) Peter King must be worried about what they put in his latte at the local starbucks (he lives in NJ) if he's ranking the Bengals below the Giants.4) Best random complaint was from one of the SI sportsrider of how after the commercial cut they showed the Ben-gals cheerleaders, only to completely cover them up with a UPS ad. 
-QG
