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Who are the Biggest FANTASY Winnners/Losers of the Draft (1 Viewer)
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Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Matthews would have been better on the Texans but SD is a good place for him even if they are a pass first team now.Totally agree with Romo, Gore and Smith, also think Calvin and Staffords stock rises with Best as a weapon both in the running game as well as a receiving RB.
If Lynch gets moved, Spiller will be a top RB in Buffalo.
Agree with your downs except add Witten to Austin and they will only be small hits. Romo should move to a top 5 FF QB.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
CB-Kyle Wilson-NYJ
If he can steal the job opposite Revis, he'll get thrown to a lot with Revis on the other side...
Plus he's just a really good CB in his own right.
If he can steal the job opposite Revis, he'll get thrown to a lot with Revis on the other side...
Plus he's just a really good CB in his own right.
Still too many RB's out there to call Slaton a winner.......
I agree... as a Vikes fan, this sucked!
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I have said this in other threads as well, but I will repeat here. IMO, Bulaga is vastly overrated. He may be an improvement over what the Packers currently have, but in no way do I think he is a top 10 talent. I hope he does well though, the Favre-less Packers are one of my favorite teams to watch.
kremenull
Footballguy
Big Winners
Frank Gore - I just didn't believe that Singletary was ever comfortable with that spread offense that the Niners turned to for most of '09. The drafting of 2 massive, and very physical o-linemen is a sure indicator that the 49ers will revert to a power running and play-action passing attack.....Time to temper the Crabtree hysteria js a bit as Gore will remain the focus of this offense for at least the next couple of seasons.
QBs Romo and Palmer - Added top-flight receiving options to boost and/or entrench their value as strong fantasy QBs.
Biggest Losers
All Broncos - From offense to defense, just a total mess. I don't see an organized plan here to build a team. 3 straight reaches last year (Moreno, Ayers, and Smith) and 2 more this year (Thomas, Tebow). If/when Tebow becomes their starting QB, yuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk! Here's hoping Brady Quinn can hold him off.....What a horrible mistake by Bowlen entrusting a newbie like McDaniels with this much authority. Kid doesn't have a clue.
Chiefs Offense - Okung sure would have helped this offense a whole lot. Not that Berry won't be a fantastic player, but as a fantasy player, Bowe, Charles, and Cassel would have really benefitted if Okung came on board..
Frank Gore - I just didn't believe that Singletary was ever comfortable with that spread offense that the Niners turned to for most of '09. The drafting of 2 massive, and very physical o-linemen is a sure indicator that the 49ers will revert to a power running and play-action passing attack.....Time to temper the Crabtree hysteria js a bit as Gore will remain the focus of this offense for at least the next couple of seasons.
QBs Romo and Palmer - Added top-flight receiving options to boost and/or entrench their value as strong fantasy QBs.
Biggest Losers
All Broncos - From offense to defense, just a total mess. I don't see an organized plan here to build a team. 3 straight reaches last year (Moreno, Ayers, and Smith) and 2 more this year (Thomas, Tebow). If/when Tebow becomes their starting QB, yuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk! Here's hoping Brady Quinn can hold him off.....What a horrible mistake by Bowlen entrusting a newbie like McDaniels with this much authority. Kid doesn't have a clue.
Chiefs Offense - Okung sure would have helped this offense a whole lot. Not that Berry won't be a fantastic player, but as a fantasy player, Bowe, Charles, and Cassel would have really benefitted if Okung came on board..
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
When a player was talked about top 5....and then has 3 OT's go ahead of him, a Guard, and a Center.....then slips to pick 23......it has to leave people questioning.Kind of like their must be a reason Clausen is slipping...he just isn't a steal(think Brady Quinn here).
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Not likely as Quinn looks like he is a few years away from getting washed out of the league. My thoughts on the Okung non pick was that Pioli is fine with Albert as his LT, they have a pick in mind at 36, might make a trade for an interior lineman or Berry was too good to pass on.
kremenull
Footballguy
I don't like Quinn all that much, but I see Tebow as a major flop at QB. Worst pick, especially for what they gave up, in at least the past 10 years of the NFL draft. You need more than strong character to play QB in the NFL, skill-set just isn't there.And with the Chiefs, I'm not questioning the selection of Berry, he should be phenomenal. I'm referring to fantasy value, and Okung woukd have raised that entire offense's fantasy value, plain and simple, rewgardless of Albert having to move or not. Adding another top-flight o-lineman could only help them in moving the ball and scoring points, i.e., fantasy relevance. This has nothing todo with whether they made the right pick or not. If I own Charles, Bowe, or Cassel in fantasy land, I would have been rooting for Okung to be the pick, unless you're a Chiefs fan........
Duke1948
Footballguy
and just what do you do for a living? my bet it's not a NFL GM. i see all these posts that say tebow will be a bust and he may be that, but i think alot of you are just taking what the talking heads have been saying and typing it out. myself. i live in SEC country so i have seen him play more than most....tebow is very strong mentally and he is very coachable, so instead of calling him a bust now lets wait a year or 2.
and the highlighted part is not even close......jamarcus russell ring a bell
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Florida was on national TV practically every week.
strong
Footballguy
Maybe. But every year, fans get all stoked when top ten talent falls to the end of the first round. In my experience, it's usually a bad sign. Hopefully he'll be good, but fact is he was the fourth offensive tackle taken--which means three teams that really wanted a tackle passed on him. Not to mention some of the teams from 12-22 that could have used a tackle but went another direction with him on the board.MJD_Mafia said:
Black
Footballguy
I think it is easier to call some winners (Romo) and some losers (Fred Jackson), but most players like Forsett are far from being in the clear until much later rounds. I'm holding on judgement, esp with RBs, knowing there's some good talent out there.Personally, I'm a bit bummed San Diego didn't just wait and take a Dwyer or someone in the 2nd or 3rd.
Potential losers: Rivers and the SD passing game in general? They got a great RB that should step right into the starting gig that's not known for catching the ball. Rivers and VJax are very talented but could their past stats been tied into neccesity and the lack of a ground game?
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healthpellets
Footballguy
MJD_Mafia said:
Bulaga was the 4th OT taken. stole? or are you saying that Bulaga will be a top 10 OT in the league?
mikel0254
Footballguy
I don't think they "stole" him, but they got a "steal". Also, I think he meant he was a top 10 player in this draft who they got at 23.MJD_Mafia said:
healthpellets
Footballguy
Bradford and Thomas from a financial stand point, right? Cause i don't see going to STL behind that line, and going to DEN as being great for fantasy purposes. Thomas is at least 2 years from making any consistent contribution, as is Tebow. but i get the feeling that Tebow will see the field much sooner than he should. gonna be really really hard for Orton to win that job.Revo said:
Sproles isn't a loser in that situation. He's in the same situation he was last year. He can't handle the entire load anyway.
Lynch owners should be happy....you would have to think the Spiller pick almost guarantees Lynch's departure at this point, and whoever gets him will probably put him to work pretty quick....
kremenull
Footballguy
What I do for a living is irrelevant. But what I don't do is spew out rhetoric from talking heads. I evaluate players based on what I understand about the game of football, what I have experienced in athletics, and what I have seen in the player(s) I critique. And you can wait all you want, this kid is not an NFL QB. Here's what I see to make this assertion.Duke1948 said:
1. Below average arm strength
2. Lacks tight spirals and velocity even on intermediate throws
3. Extremely slow release
4. Severe lack of anticipation
5. Athleticism is decent, but in comparison to NFL standards (and defenders), not great
6. Bad mechanics - i.e., arm positioning, footwork, dropback, balance, delivery
7. Very far behind in reading defenses
8. Accuracy is subpar - NFL accuracy isn't based on collegiate completion %.......BALL PLACEMENT is critical (e.g., back shoulder, over-the-shoulder, low and tight, out in front, in-stride, etc.) as windows for completions are often very tight, and allowing the WR to accrue YAC is also vital
A list of negatives this long is not so easy to overcome for the most talented players, but for a guy who is essentially an option FB/RB who played QB in a system geared for him at the collegiate level surrounded by premier talent in relation to the other teams he faced (florida talent >>>> opponents, for the most part), it ain't happening! I'm taking my stand now, I've seen enough as there are many things on my 1-8 list that are simply deal killers, esp #4, which was glaring from what I witnessed at the Senior Bowl........
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cstu
Footballguy
Not exactly sure what to think there. He certainly wasn't helped, but it will take time for Thomas to adjust to the NFL. I think his value was pretty high after the trade of Marshall, so it's tough to say where he is now.
kremenull
Footballguy
Or that other Nebrask kid......#7, what was his name? See how soon we forget. Eric Crouch, I believe.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Fred Jackson, Buffalo Bills -- Because of the timing of when we go live each year, those of us that do projections for the site have already gotten far along, and then we tweak/alter as the draft unfolds. I was prepared to make a strong case for Fred Jackson as a top fantasy RB2 this year, particularly in PPR leagues. Obviously, with the Bills insisting they are keeping Lynch (I assumed they wouldn't) and then selecting Spiller top 10, that goes out the window. If they REALLY keep Lynch, it becomes a nightmare RBBC akin to what Tampa dealt with last year IMHO. If they move Lynch, then I'm more comfortable with Jackson as a contributor, but more as a RB3 in 10-team leagues, RB2 (low end) in 12-team leagues.
Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys -- He was already firmly entrenched in that "not quite elite" tier, but with the addition of Dez Bryant, it's hard to imagine him as anything short of a 4,000-yard, 25-30 TD passer who has more protection against an injury than he would've prior to the Dez addition. The Cowboys still have some work to do on the offensive line though.
Frank Gore and Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers -- The 49ers took two strong, aggressive lineman in the 1st round. If they pan out, you've got the makings of a really solid line and that can only mean good things for the 49ers skill positions. I'm actually warming up to Alex Smith as a fantasy sleeper this year. I could see a 3,500, 22-25 TD season without much trouble.
Steven Jackson, St. Louis Rams -- This is a contrarian view but I think the addition of Bradford hurts Jackson. To me, Bradford isn't a good bet to be a plus NFL QB, certainly not right away, but I think the Rams will feel the pressure to get him on the field. Without a major new anchor on the O-line, I see Jackson as having a tough time being a one man show again. Now, if the Rams add OL depth today and tomorrow, this is obviously much less of a concern.
Justin Forsett, Seattle Seahawks -- It's still way too early, but the Seahawks adding a franchise LT to the mix and not adding someone like Spiller or Best (yet), argues for potential RB2 upside for Forsett. Let's see if Seattle adds another RB though today or maybe acquires someone like Lynch before I'm willing to give the all clear on Justin's prospects.
Jahvid Best, Detroit Lions -- Best (along with Matthews and whoever Houston drafts today) have the clearest path to fantasy production among rookie RBs. Best goes to a team that HAS to use him, so the risk of his being a Felix Jones, 5-10 touches per game, change of pace are no longer a fear. I believed Best was the best fantasy RB prospect in this draft, and now he gets the chance to prove me right or wrong right away. To be clear, I think Matthews going to San Diego (and having SD trade up to 12 for him), makes him very much the odds on favorite to be the top fantasy rookie, but I also think you'll have to draft him several rounds earlier than Best.
Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos -- For a guy that Josh McD insists he can win with, he sure is taking desperate measures to find alternatives. First he trades for Brady Quinn, and now he reaches in historic fashion for Tim Tebow. It's impossible for me to believe Orton won't have a short leash given the way Josh is scrambling for alternatives.
Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys -- He was already firmly entrenched in that "not quite elite" tier, but with the addition of Dez Bryant, it's hard to imagine him as anything short of a 4,000-yard, 25-30 TD passer who has more protection against an injury than he would've prior to the Dez addition. The Cowboys still have some work to do on the offensive line though.
Frank Gore and Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers -- The 49ers took two strong, aggressive lineman in the 1st round. If they pan out, you've got the makings of a really solid line and that can only mean good things for the 49ers skill positions. I'm actually warming up to Alex Smith as a fantasy sleeper this year. I could see a 3,500, 22-25 TD season without much trouble.
Steven Jackson, St. Louis Rams -- This is a contrarian view but I think the addition of Bradford hurts Jackson. To me, Bradford isn't a good bet to be a plus NFL QB, certainly not right away, but I think the Rams will feel the pressure to get him on the field. Without a major new anchor on the O-line, I see Jackson as having a tough time being a one man show again. Now, if the Rams add OL depth today and tomorrow, this is obviously much less of a concern.
Justin Forsett, Seattle Seahawks -- It's still way too early, but the Seahawks adding a franchise LT to the mix and not adding someone like Spiller or Best (yet), argues for potential RB2 upside for Forsett. Let's see if Seattle adds another RB though today or maybe acquires someone like Lynch before I'm willing to give the all clear on Justin's prospects.
Jahvid Best, Detroit Lions -- Best (along with Matthews and whoever Houston drafts today) have the clearest path to fantasy production among rookie RBs. Best goes to a team that HAS to use him, so the risk of his being a Felix Jones, 5-10 touches per game, change of pace are no longer a fear. I believed Best was the best fantasy RB prospect in this draft, and now he gets the chance to prove me right or wrong right away. To be clear, I think Matthews going to San Diego (and having SD trade up to 12 for him), makes him very much the odds on favorite to be the top fantasy rookie, but I also think you'll have to draft him several rounds earlier than Best.
Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos -- For a guy that Josh McD insists he can win with, he sure is taking desperate measures to find alternatives. First he trades for Brady Quinn, and now he reaches in historic fashion for Tim Tebow. It's impossible for me to believe Orton won't have a short leash given the way Josh is scrambling for alternatives.
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I am shocked a NFL team has not given you a job because you know everything and can predict what every player will do...
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Tampa D
Look out for the Tampa D-line.
OU's McCoy slotting in next to Texas' Roy Miller (who they stole last year in the 3rd round I believe) is going to be a freak show.
Look out for the Tampa D-line.
OU's McCoy slotting in next to Texas' Roy Miller (who they stole last year in the 3rd round I believe) is going to be a freak show.
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Alex Smith put up those type of numbers this past season on a per game basis.I think were looking at a huge fantasy breakout for him this year. He has all offseason knowing he's the #1 guy and has tons of weapons at his disposal.
3,800 - 4,000 yards/25-30 TD's is very realistic. My sleeper QB of the 2010 fantasy season and i'll be picking him up in every league this year.
az_prof
Footballguy
1) Agree completely on Fred Jackson.2) Also agree on SJax. A rookie QB, even if he eventually becomes good, is rarely a positive in his rookie year for other skill position players. TJones did pretty well last year with Sanchez but the Jets have a killer OL.
3) Disagree on Gore and Alex Smith. The picks by SF were good but I am sceptical that rookie offensive lineman are going to be able to make that much of a difference that quickly. And truth be told I still don't think Smith will eve be better than a low end QB2 no matter how good the offensive line is. Gore should be as good as he has been in the recent past but I wouldn't upgrade him for this.
4) Forsett: still too early; there are still several good backs left in the draft and I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle takes one of them in the third round.
5) Best: agree although I am still not sold on this Lions revival that everyone else. It seems like every five years or so there is another Lions revivla and it usually ends up where the previous one did--with the Lions drafting at the front end of the draft in the spring. I REALLY like Matthews though and SD is a great place for him to go.
6) Orton: I have said this elsewhere--he will be the 2010 scapegoat for McDaniels. I expect him to be benched around week 10 in favor of either Quinn of Tebow.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I just want to point something out in relation to this. I've yet to understand the "not quite elite" moniker. He's finished 2nd, 9th, and 6th the last 3 years. His 9th place finish was while missing 3 games (and would have easily been top 5 that year too).If you prorate his 2008 #'s for the 3 games he missed, here are his #'s the last 3 years:
2007 -- 4211/36/19
2008 -- 4243/32/17
2009 -- 4483/26/9
I'm also going to ignore his fantastic stats in just over half a season in 2006 in his 1st year where he also prorates to the above #'s.
In other words, he's ALREADY a 4000 yd, 25-30 TD passer. He's honestly already been an elite QB. I think the Dez Bryant signing only raises his PERCEPTUAL value, not his ACTUAL value. His actual value was already that of a top 3-4 QB. I'm not sure his #'s will improve, but it's possible. This unfortunately just makes it harder to obtain what was a previously solid value play at QB.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
do the Chefs hate Jamaal Charles or something?
cr8f
Footballguy
Apparently they do. McCluster could be a return man as well as occasional RB though so it may not be that bad.
He's still the best QB on the roster.
cstu
Footballguy
They would have been better off with Saffold, but maybe they can still get a good OT. Too bad the Jets took Vlad.
cstu
Footballguy
I thought it was the best possible outcome for Orton. It will be a long time before Tebow is ready to start.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I don't disagree, but I think the addition of Dez limits Romo's downside.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Ugh...one of my favorite WR sleepers, Andre Roberts, just had landed in a horrible spot
Arizona so stacked at WR, he's going to have trouble getting on the field much less making an impact.
Arizona so stacked at WR, he's going to have trouble getting on the field much less making an impact.
duece2626
Footballguy
Pats took Taylor Price, who I think will be a very good WR2.
Yep. This is shocking. He was in the running for the top RB in the class in February, now he's still sitting there in the fourth round. I'm really interested to see where he goes, I think he's a major value in the late first of drafts now.
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