Who can beat the pats? (1 Viewer)

[Mookie Blaylock]

In my short time here in the FBG forums, I have been blasted for my opinions of the pats (specifically Belichick and cheating). I am aware that there are an unbelievable amount of pats fans on this site that love to sit back and wait for someone to bash them. Only to cry foul when anyone says anything negative about there beloved patsies. It's a rather facinating dichotomy, really. Does anybody out there have a subjective thought as to who might be able to beat the pats? I'll play too, but I have to warn you, I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist...

First of all, the pats are loaded; there is no disputing this. From a matchup standpoint the team that beats them will have to have an outstanding pass rush to match up with that pass-blocking-Jesus of an O-Line.

Second. The team that beats the pats will have to be able to score. I don't mean 24 points either. When the pats lose, I'm thinking a combined score of about 75 or 80.

Thrid. There needs to be a super-stud to market. Here is where the conspiracy theory comes in. What the NFL needs more than anything is studs. Classy, all-world, humble studs. Tom Brady can be that guy but who likes perfection. Seriously. Besides the pats homers and the boring fair-weather dolts who really wants to see this happen? Not the NFL I can assure you that.

Fourth. Coaching. Coaching. Coaching. I think that rolley-polley in the cut-off sweat-shirt gets too much praise for his genius. So much so that other coaches buy into his wisdom and are intimidated. Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach to be sure, but there's gotta be someone out there who REALLY wants to punch this guy in the mouth (that leaves out the Chargers).

But it doesn't leave out the Packers...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Unfortunately we will probably have to wait until next september for this to happen.

The colts have the best chance this season.

If there is a blizzard with high winds saturday nite that might level the playing field enough to allow a Jax upset. Doubt it

Whomever makes it from the NFC gets slaughtered

 

[Baby New Year]

there are an unbelievable amount of pats fans on this site that love to sit back and wait for someone to bash them.

Usually not a long wait at FBG. This is like the fast food of the internet for us.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

there are an unbelievable amount of pats fans on this site that love to sit back and wait for someone to bash them.

Usually not a long wait at FBG. This is like the fast food of the internet for us.

You bring it upon yourselves. You're not an easy bunch to like.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think that all 3 games (assuming Jax, Indy, GB/Dallas) will be challenging. I think that Indy has the most realistic chance to beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were someone else or if they won the whole thing.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I think that all 3 games (assuming Jax, Indy, GB/Dallas) will be challenging. I think that Indy has the most realistic chance to beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were someone else or if they won the whole thing.

Indy because of being able to hang with them offensively? Because of the outcome of the game earlier this season?

 

[AB in DC]

As a Pats fan, let me say that you're wrong about #1. A good pass rushing team can beat that OL without much difficulty. The key is to be able to bring pressure with just four players rushing the QB (like the Giants, Ravens, even the Dolphins did in the second half). Pittsburgh rushed five and Brady picked them apart. But the right set of D-linemen can make life miserable for the Pats.

 

[Wadsworth]

I think any of the other 7 teams left in the tourney can beat the Pats. But I'd bet the Pats even money against any of them in a second. The Pats are very good and deserve to be the favorite, but they are far from unbeatable.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

As a Pats fan, let me say that you're wrong about #1. A good pass rushing team can beat that OL without much difficulty. The key is to be able to bring pressure with just four players rushing the QB (like the Giants, Ravens, even the Dolphins did in the second half). Pittsburgh rushed five and Brady picked them apart. But the right set of D-linemen can make life miserable for the Pats.

Point taken.

 

[NOONAN]

As a Pats fan, let me say that you're wrong about #1. A good pass rushing team can beat that OL without much difficulty. The key is to be able to bring pressure with just four players rushing the QB (like the Giants, Ravens, even the Dolphins did in the second half). Pittsburgh rushed five and Brady picked them apart. But the right set of D-linemen can make life miserable for the Pats.

JAGS have a pretty huge D-line. Not bad pass rush, either. I gotta think NE will have to adjust for that. Maybe JAX can bat down some of the stuff in the middle(limiting Welker a bit) and have Mathis contain Moss(you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him). If Brady only has a couple targets and limited time in the pocket, then maybe...just maybe there's a chance.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

As a Pats fan, let me say that you're wrong about #1. A good pass rushing team can beat that OL without much difficulty. The key is to be able to bring pressure with just four players rushing the QB (like the Giants, Ravens, even the Dolphins did in the second half). Pittsburgh rushed five and Brady picked them apart. But the right set of D-linemen can make life miserable for the Pats.

JAGS have a pretty huge D-line. Not bad pass rush, either. I gotta think NE will have to adjust for that. Maybe JAX can bat down some of the stuff in the middle(limiting Welker a bit) and have Mathis contain Moss(you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him). If Brady only has a couple targets and limited time in the pocket, then maybe...just maybe there's a chance.

I gotta think that it's gonna take a little more than David Garrard to beat them. They are never going to lose a field position battle to the Jags and I have a hard time seeing the Jags outscore the pats without defenses on the field.

 

[Courtjester]

I think the answer to this (and this is what I have been saying all year long) is the Patriots themselves.

What would make me really scared as a Patriot's fan is this team has been amazing and playing at

an unheard of level, but there is the principle of due. They are DUE to throw out a stinker game--you know the game

where they get a few fluke flumbles, Brady is a little out of sync and throws a pick or two, the defense doesn't come to play

and gets run all over, a team takes a punt or kickoff back for a TD, they get a few phantom calls against them (yes, I know Pats fan think that has happened all year long).

It happens to every team and this team is DUE for a bad game. If I was a Pats fan, I almost would have hoped it happened at some point during the regular season just to get it out of the way.

Maybe some are right and they will run the table.

 

[TD Ryan]

I think the answer to this (and this is what I have been saying all year long) is the Patriots themselves.What would make me really scared as a Patriot's fan is this team has been amazing and playing atan unheard of level, but there is the principle of due. They are DUE to throw out a stinker game--you know the gamewhere they get a few fluke flumbles, Brady is a little out of sync and throws a pick or two, the defense doesn't come to playand gets run all over, a team takes a punt or kickoff back for a TD, they get a few phantom calls against them (yes, I know Pats fan think that has happened all year long).It happens to every team and this team is DUE for a bad game. If I was a Pats fan, I almost would have hoped it happened at some point during the regular season just to get it out of the way.Maybe some are right and they will run the table.

it's an interesting point.it's a big part of why NE has won so much this decade... other teams make critical mistakes and NE (rarely) does.Then, when you load them up with all the talent they have this year, they become pretty much unstoppable.as for being DUE, NE once ran off 21 straight thru '03/'04... if that team could run off that many, I don't see why this team couldn't.one of the worst games in recent history for NE was the playoff loss in DEN.it was the game that the unthinkables happened:Troy Brown fumbled a return, Vinatieri missed an easy FG, and Brady threw an awful pick late in the game.yes, if all those kinds of things happen again, NE will lose.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I think the answer to this (and this is what I have been saying all year long) is the Patriots themselves.What would make me really scared as a Patriot's fan is this team has been amazing and playing atan unheard of level, but there is the principle of due. They are DUE to throw out a stinker game--you know the gamewhere they get a few fluke flumbles, Brady is a little out of sync and throws a pick or two, the defense doesn't come to playand gets run all over, a team takes a punt or kickoff back for a TD, they get a few phantom calls against them (yes, I know Pats fan think that has happened all year long).It happens to every team and this team is DUE for a bad game. If I was a Pats fan, I almost would have hoped it happened at some point during the regular season just to get it out of the way.Maybe some are right and they will run the table.

it's an interesting point.it's a big part of why NE has won so much this decade... other teams make critical mistakes and NE (rarely) does.Then, when you load them up with all the talent they have this year, they become pretty much unstoppable.as for being DUE, NE once ran off 21 straight thru '03/'04... if that team could run off that many, I don't see why this team couldn't.one of the worst games in recent history for NE was the playoff loss in DEN.it was the game that the unthinkables happened:Troy Brown fumbled a return, Vinatieri missed an easy FG, and Brady threw an awful pick late in the game.yes, if all those kinds of things happen again, NE will lose.

I know what it would take for the pats to lose and this is all well stated above, but what I want to know is who can beat them. No disrespect but themselves is a cop-out. (But you have a very good point). If you don't think there is a team that can beat them this year, that's fine. I can live with that.

 

[TD Ryan]

I know what it would take for the pats to lose and this is all well stated above, but what I want to know is who can beat them. No disrespect but themselves is a cop-out. (But you have a very good point). If you don't think there is a team that can beat them this year, that's fine. I can live with that.

as a fan of NE, the Colts and Chargers concern me the most. And this has been the case since day one of this season.If you want to take the whole, "they played a bad game and beat themselves" out of the equation, I believe the Colts and Chargers can play well enough on both sides of the ball to beat NE.With Colvin out, NE is a bit thinner at LB than they'd like to be and I believe both Gates and Clark can cause big problems for NE even with Harrison/A Thomas there to cover.Legit short, middle, and deep offensive options could cause a lot of trouble for NE's (or any other) defense and not many teams really have all three threats like SD and IND.Both teams have big playmakers on defense. In big games, big players make big plays. Bob Sanders scares the sweet jesus out of me.and finally, you have to factor in big game experience. Both IND and SD have been to the playoffs recently and both have a good idea of how to prepare and handle the circus atmosphere (which is, IMO, a big factor).

 

[cowboysin07]

I'm guessing the Pats have a 8% chance of winning the Super Bowl.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I know what it would take for the pats to lose and this is all well stated above, but what I want to know is who can beat them. No disrespect but themselves is a cop-out. (But you have a very good point). If you don't think there is a team that can beat them this year, that's fine. I can live with that.

as a fan of NE, the Colts and Chargers concern me the most. And this has been the case since day one of this season.If you want to take the whole, "they played a bad game and beat themselves" out of the equation, I believe the Colts and Chargers can play well enough on both sides of the ball to beat NE.With Colvin out, NE is a bit thinner at LB than they'd like to be and I believe both Gates and Clark can cause big problems for NE even with Harrison/A Thomas there to cover.Legit short, middle, and deep offensive options could cause a lot of trouble for NE's (or any other) defense and not many teams really have all three threats like SD and IND.Both teams have big playmakers on defense. In big games, big players make big plays. Bob Sanders scares the sweet jesus out of me.and finally, you have to factor in big game experience. Both IND and SD have been to the playoffs recently and both have a good idea of how to prepare and handle the circus atmosphere (which is, IMO, a big factor).

How much chance do you give the Pack? Seriously?

 

[TD Ryan]

How much chance do you give the Pack? Seriously?

I'm being totally honest here... I completely discount them because they are in the NFC.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

How much chance do you give the Pack? Seriously?

I'm being totally honest here... I completely discount them because they are in the NFC.

It's that bad? Ok. Fair enough.

 

[Kuz]

Unfortunately we will probably have to wait until next september for this to happen. The colts have the best chance this season. If there is a blizzard with high winds saturday nite that might level the playing field enough to allow a Jax upset. Doubt itWhomever makes it from the NFC gets slaughtered

I think this about sums it up for me.. My thoughts exactly..

 

[TD Ryan]

It's that bad? Ok. Fair enough.

hey, I'm no expert.I didn't think NE had a chance in the SB against the Rams.I just don't buy into the whole idea the the NFC has caught up to the AFC.Maybe they're making progress, but over the past 5 or so years, the Colts and Pats have done a number on eachother (along with Steelers and Chargers to a degree) and IMO, it's battle hardened these teams.The Packers are a great story. There's nothing for me to dislike about or root against with them.It's just that they play in the NFC and haven't been in that playoff atmosphere like some of the AFC teams.

 

[pizzatyme]

I've got to tell you, I'm glad this subject was brought up! I can't believe there aren't 10 or more other similar threads in this forum discussing this very thing!

 

[ShadowMaster]

Jax is going to make it interesting - they are the HOT team right now.

Indy can match up well

Gonna be FUN!

 

[Road Warriors]

I know what it would take for the pats to lose and this is all well stated above, but what I want to know is who can beat them. No disrespect but themselves is a cop-out. (But you have a very good point). If you don't think there is a team that can beat them this year, that's fine. I can live with that.

as a fan of NE, the Colts and Chargers concern me the most. And this has been the case since day one of this season.If you want to take the whole, "they played a bad game and beat themselves" out of the equation, I believe the Colts and Chargers can play well enough on both sides of the ball to beat NE.With Colvin out, NE is a bit thinner at LB than they'd like to be and I believe both Gates and Clark can cause big problems for NE even with Harrison/A Thomas there to cover.Legit short, middle, and deep offensive options could cause a lot of trouble for NE's (or any other) defense and not many teams really have all three threats like SD and IND.Both teams have big playmakers on defense. In big games, big players make big plays. Bob Sanders scares the sweet jesus out of me.and finally, you have to factor in big game experience. Both IND and SD have been to the playoffs recently and both have a good idea of how to prepare and handle the circus atmosphere (which is, IMO, a big factor).

How much chance do you give the Pack? Seriously?

A small chance. They have found offensive balance with Grant, and he's been a big play threat for GB towards the end of the season. I think GB can score enough to keep it close. What I don't think they can do is play error free offensive football. Favre still makes the occasional aggressive throw, and I think he can be schemed into making an errant throw or 2. Defensively, I don't have as good a read on GB this year. They've been pretty good, but not a top 10 Defense. I don't think they have the front 4 horses to apply pressure without blitzing, or the cover corners to shut down a spread offense while blitzing. I'd expect the Pats to be able to move the ball well. The weather won't be a factor in the SB ( most likely ), which removes the potential equalizer.For the Pack to make a run at the title against the Pats, I think they need near perfect QB play, a balanced attack with Grant and short passes, and someone to come up for a big play or two on defense. With the likely optimal weather conditions for the game, I expect the Pats to be able to put up 35+. I think they'll have to top that. I don't think its likely.

 

[twitch]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

 

[Road Warriors]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

I'm hoping that this year's favorite won't be sitting back, reading ( and believing ) their own press!

 

[twitch]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

 

[bigfishboy]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself.

For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs.

They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost.

It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

 

[Kirby]

Jax is going to make it interesting - they are the HOT team right now.Indy can match up wellGonna be FUN!

I think Indy can do it... they were missing Ugoh, Harrison, and Gonzales half the game and only lost by 4. It should be a good match up.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself. For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs. They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost. It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

Dude.I think you mean "parity".It's your post that's a parody.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

In my short time here in the FBG forums, I have been blasted for my opinions of the pats (specifically Belichick and cheating). I am aware that there are an unbelievable amount of pats fans on this site that love to sit back and wait for someone to bash them. Only to cry foul when anyone says anything negative about there beloved patsies. It's a rather facinating dichotomy, really. Does anybody out there have a subjective thought as to who might be able to beat the pats? I'll play too, but I have to warn you, I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist...First of all, the pats are loaded; there is no disputing this. From a matchup standpoint the team that beats them will have to have an outstanding pass rush to match up with that pass-blocking-Jesus of an O-Line. Second. The team that beats the pats will have to be able to score. I don't mean 24 points either. When the pats lose, I'm thinking a combined score of about 75 or 80.Thrid. There needs to be a super-stud to market. Here is where the conspiracy theory comes in. What the NFL needs more than anything is studs. Classy, all-world, humble studs. Tom Brady can be that guy but who likes perfection. Seriously. Besides the pats homers and the boring fair-weather dolts who really wants to see this happen? Not the NFL I can assure you that. Fourth. Coaching. Coaching. Coaching. I think that rolley-polley in the cut-off sweat-shirt gets too much praise for his genius. So much so that other coaches buy into his wisdom and are intimidated. Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach to be sure, but there's gotta be someone out there who REALLY wants to punch this guy in the mouth (that leaves out the Chargers).But it doesn't leave out the Packers...

Dude.It's ironic that you come in here talking #### about Patriots fans and the first six that respond ignore your infantile shots at their team and make a sincere attempt to honestly answer your question.That's is all.Oh yeah, the Colts have the best chance to beat the Patriots, and any of the remaining teams can beat the Patriots.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself. For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs. They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost. It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

If you want em I got em. I have one that goes so far as to say that the games are scripted. WWF style.

 

[bigfishboy]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself. For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs. They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost. It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

Dude.I think you mean "parity".It's your post that's a parody.

My gift of humor is yours to keep, even if partly unintentional!

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

In my short time here in the FBG forums, I have been blasted for my opinions of the pats (specifically Belichick and cheating). I am aware that there are an unbelievable amount of pats fans on this site that love to sit back and wait for someone to bash them. Only to cry foul when anyone says anything negative about there beloved patsies. It's a rather facinating dichotomy, really. Does anybody out there have a subjective thought as to who might be able to beat the pats? I'll play too, but I have to warn you, I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist...First of all, the pats are loaded; there is no disputing this. From a matchup standpoint the team that beats them will have to have an outstanding pass rush to match up with that pass-blocking-Jesus of an O-Line. Second. The team that beats the pats will have to be able to score. I don't mean 24 points either. When the pats lose, I'm thinking a combined score of about 75 or 80.Thrid. There needs to be a super-stud to market. Here is where the conspiracy theory comes in. What the NFL needs more than anything is studs. Classy, all-world, humble studs. Tom Brady can be that guy but who likes perfection. Seriously. Besides the pats homers and the boring fair-weather dolts who really wants to see this happen? Not the NFL I can assure you that. Fourth. Coaching. Coaching. Coaching. I think that rolley-polley in the cut-off sweat-shirt gets too much praise for his genius. So much so that other coaches buy into his wisdom and are intimidated. Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach to be sure, but there's gotta be someone out there who REALLY wants to punch this guy in the mouth (that leaves out the Chargers).But it doesn't leave out the Packers...

Dude.It's ironic that you come in here talking #### about Patriots fans and the first six that respond ignore your infantile shots at their team and make a sincere attempt to honestly answer your question.That's is all.Oh yeah, the Colts have the best chance to beat the Patriots, and any of the remaining teams can beat the Patriots.

Dude.I was completely honest in my post. This is just what I have seen on the boards. My "shot" was neither infantile nor ironic. Thanks for the input. Who is your team by the way?

 

[bigfishboy]

PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS PATS BASHING!

As much as anyone else, I cannot stand flame wars and I do not want any of it blamed on me.

I was making a (less than) humorous shot at the league. I cannot blame the Pats for exploiting it.

edited: because I responded to the wrong post

 

[tombonneau]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself.

For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs.

They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost.

It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

If you want em I got em. I have one that goes so far as to say that the games are scripted. WWF style.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Do you really have NFL conspiracy theories? Can I please read one?

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I thought you were going to have a better conspiracy theory. Like the NFL marketing itself.

For the last decade or so the everyone has been using the word "parody" to describe the NFL. In its evolving attempt to keep its crown as the top rated sports league, the NFL decided to blindside its viewers with something not expected to happen ever again... the perfect season. So they arranged a couple of sweet deals to the patriots (Moss for a 4th, come on), order a couple teams to lay down, have the officials look the other way everytime Moss pushes off for a touchdown, kept the injury Gods at bay, and aligned the jetstream to suit their needs.

They even threw in a little Patriot cheating to make 95% of the fans hate them, knowing full well that it would just make us want to watch more just in case they lost.

It is alot like the first season of Survivor where after the producers already knew who won, they only showed the clips of the fat gay guy being an ###. It made you hate the guy and everyweek you watched just to see if he would get thrown off. And when he won, you were so upset that you had to watch the next season to see if it would happen again.

If you want em I got em. I have one that goes so far as to say that the games are scripted. WWF style.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Do you really have NFL conspiracy theories? Can I please read one?

How do I know you are not with the NSA?

 

[Riffraff]

If you are into feel good conspiracy theories, like:

- Patriots win after 9/11 attacks

- Bettis' hometown win for Pittsburgh

- Katrina motivated the Saints to prominence

Then the Chargers are shoe ins due to the Wild Fires last year.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

If you are into feel good conspiracy theories, like:- Patriots win after 9/11 attacks- Bettis' hometown win for Pittsburgh- Katrina motivated the Saints to prominenceThen the Chargers are shoe ins due to the Wild Fires last year.

That is PERFECT!! Not only is it perfect, it goes with my 'it's LaDanian's year" theory.

 

[bigfishboy]

If you are into feel good conspiracy theories, like:- Patriots win after 9/11 attacks- Bettis' hometown win for Pittsburgh- Katrina motivated the Saints to prominenceThen the Chargers are shoe ins due to the Wild Fires last year.

I would prefer the Seahawks given gift after getting jobbed two years prior.(yes, I am still bitter)

 

[twitch]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

You call it 'false bravado', I call it a fact. The guy brought up monumental Super Bowl upset in recent memory, and it happened to be NEW ENGLAND. You need to tone it down there, slick. I dont need to sling the EFF word around to make a simple point. You were pretty nice in this thread, and Id forgotten a little of the previous very forgettable stuff Ive read from you. So get yourself back on track and stick with the topic. Dont make it personal.

 

[freelander]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

You call it 'false bravado', I call it a fact. The guy brought up monumental Super Bowl upset in recent memory, and it happened to be NEW ENGLAND. You need to tone it down there, slick. I dont need to sling the EFF word around to make a simple point. You were pretty nice in this thread, and Id forgotten a little of the previous very forgettable stuff Ive read from you. So get yourself back on track and stick with the topic. Dont make it personal.

He's got a point twitch...in that what exactly is the point of your last post ? other than that should make you agree with him?

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think the Colts have a legit shot to beat the Pats. Out of all their potential opponents, the Colts have scored the most points and given up the fewest. They also held the Pats to their second lowest point total of the season (24) other than the bad weather Jets game. Obviously the Pats are better, but this is a super strong Colts team. It will not be an easy win for either team to pull off. In order for the Colts to win, they must hold the Pats to under 24 points, and that will be easier said than done.

 

[Blueb]

I'll start by saying that Im not a Pats fan -- just so I dont get bashed for this.

There's only one team that can beat the Pats these playoffs, and thats Indy. The reason is simple -- coaching. Its always important, but in the playoffs, its super important. Talent matters, but assuming a sufficient level of talent (which Jax SD and Indy all have IMO) it doesnt matter nearly as much as coaching.

Saying the Chargers have a good shot because their talented is wrong IMO. Saying that the Jags can win because their physical is just as wrong. It's like a chess match between a grandmaster and pretty good amateur player. Even if the grandmaster spots the amateur player a couple pawns, or even a knight, who would you take, the amateur or the grandmaster? I'd take the grandmaster. I just don't trust Del Rio or Turner to use all of their pieces the way Belichek does. And that wont be good enough in the playoffs in NE.

A team needs to know its assignments in their sleep so that when a large hostile croud is screaming and the season is on the line you still make the play. And then make the next one. And the next one after that. And I dont believe Turner or Del Rio have their teams well coached enough to do this - not in money time. But I think Dungy does. ANd I think Dungy will use his talent well enough to make that a fairly even game.

As the underdog, I'd like to see JAX win this week so I'm happy to be wrong, but I don't think I am.

 

[WisWolvrns]

A great running team which can limit the amount of possessions NE gets, which a decent D could be the Pats. Similar to the K-gun of old... they put up points in bunches, but the Giants held the ball over 40 minutes in their first superbowl and they just lost. (eventhough they got the ball in position for the winning field goal try!)

Jck has a great running game and will be bring'n it, so I see it tough for NE to stop. Jck D is pretty solid too... so I'm feeling the Pats will be in a close one this weekend. The 4th quarter will decide things. If the Pats come out slow to start and Jck can get up on them early... they might not have enough time to get back on track before it's all over.

However, I highly doubt they will come out flat... so I'm more worried their older defenders will be taking in some damage due to Jck physical run game, which could set them up for issues the following weekend vs probably Indy...

 

[Jercules]

Ever since Bill Polian whined to the competition committee about the Pats mugging recievers a few years back, there's always at least one bogus pass interference call against the Patriots when they play Indianapolis.

 

[twitch]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

You call it 'false bravado', I call it a fact. The guy brought up monumental Super Bowl upset in recent memory, and it happened to be NEW ENGLAND. You need to tone it down there, slick. I dont need to sling the EFF word around to make a simple point. You were pretty nice in this thread, and Id forgotten a little of the previous very forgettable stuff Ive read from you. So get yourself back on track and stick with the topic. Dont make it personal.

He's got a point twitch...in that what exactly is the point of your last post ? other than that should make you agree with him?

Guy drops an 'eff' bomb and that's all you got?

 

[switz]

Well, the Pats have the best coach in the league, so they have the edge there, and I think it's a significant edge.

They also have the edge at WR against pretty much any team, but fortunately the WRs don't play against one another. So who had DBs that can rattle NE's WRs? That's the real question. I think Dallas can, as they did earlier in the year. I also think Indy can, if they scheme it right. And perhaps San Diego. Outside of those three, NE has a significant edge in the passing game against their opponents defense.

I believe MOST teams in the playoffs can handle NE's running game.

Now NE's defense. The LBs are kinda old and tired and a strong ground game can get to them. That means JAX, SD, IND, DAL, NYG all have a good chance on doing damage on the ground.

As far as pass defense, the Pats try to defend against the pass by getting pressure on the QB. DAL has a great line. IND is not that bad when healthy. JAX has been surprisingly good.

The other angle is who is equipped the most to keep up with NE's high octane O. IMO only IND, DAL, and SD.

Frankly, there is no team that looks like they have a great shot at beating NE. But I would say IND, DAL, and SD have a fair shot.... just not a great one. JAX has a shot, a poor one, but a shot. If they keep the ball and run the clock out on the ground, and stop he big plays. That will be harder for them, as they don't have the firepower to catch up if NE gets a lead.