Who can beat the pats? (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

Well, the Pats have the best coach in the league, so they have the edge there, and I think it's a significant edge.They also have the edge at WR against pretty much any team, but fortunately the WRs don't play against one another. So who had DBs that can rattle NE's WRs? That's the real question. I think Dallas can, as they did earlier in the year. I also think Indy can, if they scheme it right. And perhaps San Diego. Outside of those three, NE has a significant edge in the passing game against their opponents defense.I believe MOST teams in the playoffs can handle NE's running game.Now NE's defense. The LBs are kinda old and tired and a strong ground game can get to them. That means JAX, SD, IND, DAL, NYG all have a good chance on doing damage on the ground.As far as pass defense, the Pats try to defend against the pass by getting pressure on the QB. DAL has a great line. IND is not that bad when healthy. JAX has been surprisingly good.The other angle is who is equipped the most to keep up with NE's high octane O. IMO only IND, DAL, and SD.Frankly, there is no team that looks like they have a great shot at beating NE. But I would say IND, DAL, and SD have a fair shot.... just not a great one. JAX has a shot, a poor one, but a shot. If they keep the ball and run the clock out on the ground, and stop he big plays. That will be harder for them, as they don't have the firepower to catch up if NE gets a lead.

That's a pretty fair analysis.Obviously everyone left in the playoffs has a shot to beat them, I just think certain teams need more factors to work in their favor than others. As you said, Jax has a shot, but they basically need to get out to a 10-0 lead, get some turnovers, maybe a big special teams play, etc., in order to win.Indy IMO needs the least amount of things to go in their favor to beat NE, plus I'd imagine they will have the most confidence of any other team that plays the Pats.

 

[Baby New Year]

Now NE's defense. The LBs are kinda old and tired and a strong ground game can get to them. That means JAX, SD, IND, DAL, NYG all have a good chance on doing damage on the ground.

Yeah..they actually already played 4 of those teams.How much damage was done on the ground?

 

[switz]

Now NE's defense. The LBs are kinda old and tired and a strong ground game can get to them. That means JAX, SD, IND, DAL, NYG all have a good chance on doing damage on the ground.

Yeah..they actually already played 4 of those teams.How much damage was done on the ground?

Short memory again?Joseph Addai ran for 112 yards at 5.0 YPC, they also allowed a rushing TD that game.Brandon Jacobs had a healthy 4.0 YPC in the last meeting, even though the Giants didn't run the ball that often.San Diego is running the ball better now than when they met week 2, but you're right at that time SD didn't play well.Dallas had 100 yards on the ground on 15 carries, that's pretty good as well.So yes, those team could run well against NE.

 

[Baby New Year]

Yeah, and they all lost. I'm not sure that omg giving up a rushing TD is much of an indication of a weak run D. I'm willing to bet a great many teams in the league have given up a rushing TD. If the Colts can really churn out 5 ypc against the Pats, then I'd have to say that their coaching staff is truly ######ed to not run the ball 50x. Do you think that's the case? 3 of those 4 games were competitive --- why did they abandon the run, and what makes you think they wouldn't do it again?? Frankly, I don't call running the ball 15x 'damage'.

 

[switz]

Yeah, and they all lost. I'm not sure that omg giving up a rushing TD is much of an indication of a weak run D. I'm willing to bet a great many teams in the league have given up a rushing TD. If the Colts can really churn out 5 ypc against the Pats, then I'd have to say that their coaching staff is truly ######ed to not run the ball 50x. Do you think that's the case? 3 of those 4 games were competitive --- why did they abandon the run, and what makes you think they wouldn't do it again?? Frankly, I don't call running the ball 15x 'damage'.

Are you really serious???

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I think anyone of three teams can beat them.

1. Pitt. 1976.

2. Chicago 1985

3. Miami 1972, ok I'm joking.

Just Pitt. or Chicago teams could beat them.

Mr.Lambert called He'll play right now for a six pack.

NE will go down has the best team of all time.

 

[switz]

I think anyone of three teams can beat them.1. Pitt. 1976.2. Chicago 19853. Miami 1972, ok I'm joking.Just Pitt. or Chicago teams could beat them.Mr.Lambert called He'll play right now for a six pack. NE will go down has the best team of all time.

Are all Pats fans this arrogant?

 

[Baby New Year]

I think anyone of three teams can beat them.1. Pitt. 1976.2. Chicago 19853. Miami 1972, ok I'm joking.Just Pitt. or Chicago teams could beat them.Mr.Lambert called He'll play right now for a six pack. NE will go down has the best team of all time.

But, I'll have to correct you on Da Bears -- they'd get smoked. Even Ditka has said so.

 

[Baby New Year]

I think anyone of three teams can beat them.1. Pitt. 1976.2. Chicago 19853. Miami 1972, ok I'm joking.Just Pitt. or Chicago teams could beat them.Mr.Lambert called He'll play right now for a six pack. NE will go down has the best team of all time.

Are all Pats fans this arrogant?

Are all Pats haters this humorless?

 

[enfuego]

Yeah, and they all lost. I'm not sure that omg giving up a rushing TD is much of an indication of a weak run D. I'm willing to bet a great many teams in the league have given up a rushing TD. If the Colts can really churn out 5 ypc against the Pats, then I'd have to say that their coaching staff is truly ######ed to not run the ball 50x. Do you think that's the case? 3 of those 4 games were competitive --- why did they abandon the run, and what makes you think they wouldn't do it again?? Frankly, I don't call running the ball 15x 'damage'.

Are you really serious???

Switz, just one more reason they should have limited the FBG memberships to 30k...

 

[Road Warriors]

Yeah, and they all lost. I'm not sure that omg giving up a rushing TD is much of an indication of a weak run D. I'm willing to bet a great many teams in the league have given up a rushing TD. If the Colts can really churn out 5 ypc against the Pats, then I'd have to say that their coaching staff is truly ######ed to not run the ball 50x. Do you think that's the case? 3 of those 4 games were competitive --- why did they abandon the run, and what makes you think they wouldn't do it again?? Frankly, I don't call running the ball 15x 'damage'.

Are you really serious???

Switz, just one more reason they should have limited the FBG memberships to 30k...

Phew, at least I still made it!

 

[Softball 3:16]

I think any of the other 7 teams left in the tourney can beat the Pats. But I'd bet the Pats even money against any of them in a second. The Pats are very good and deserve to be the favorite, but they are far from unbeatable.

Good Luck getting even money.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Didn't read all the responses but I'd think the weather has to be gloomy as in wet snow, crappy field conditions to slow down the passing attack with Brady...Moss...etc. That would only help a team run the ball against NE

 

[encaitar]

Well, if someone does beat the Pats it will take a monumental effort. I think Jax has the personnel to do it, but not the experience. Experience matters more in playoffs IMO. NE has had SD's number for the past few years and I don't think Norv is a good enough coach to overcome that.

Now, there are two teams that I can see with a decent chance to beat the Pats. Indianapolis and (shock) Green Bay are these teams. I would give Dallas a chance, but with TO on half an ankle destroys that chance.

Indy has already shown they can stay with NE and that was without their best reciever. I think it would be another close game if they played and the ending could just as easily go Indy's way as NE's.

Now, I know I'm gonna get flamed for saying Green Bay, but I honestly believe it to be true. When Moss was with the Vikings, Al Harris always did a great job of covering him. In fact, he was one of the only corners in the league who could effectively single him up. With KGB and Kampman able to get pressure on Brady I could see them limiting NE's passing game a bit. Woodson would shut Welker out(IMO). So, it would all come down to Favre and the offense. Most likely Favre would try too hard and throw 4 picks in typical Favre fashion, but if he could let the running game do the work and take the passes that are given him, I could see Green Bay narrowing one out versus NE. IMO they have the best chance of any NFC team.

 

[Anarchy99]

Didn't GB allow 300/4 to Romo and 300/3 to Rivers this year? Those were the only Top 10 offenses they faced this year.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Any of the remaining teams could beat the Patriots, but the AFC teams have the best chance. Throw in poor field conditions, and I think the odds are even better. A 200-yard day from LT could do it. Addai catching a bunch of passes (like in the SB) could keep NE off the field. Jacksonville's running game could be a factor.

But will anyone do it? I doubt it. I think a NE/IND rematch will be the de facto Super Bowl this year.

 

[djcolts]

Didn't GB allow 300/4 to Romo and 300/3 to Rivers this year? Those were the only Top 10 offenses they faced this year.

The Romo game was without their top pass rusher and top CB.

 

[PMENFAN]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

The Pats have never let their guard down in the playoffs. That's the point I think he made. Their playoff losses to Denver, with a weak team on the road, and Indy on the road. They were the dogs, and still had a chance to pull both of them off. If they're not playing Rashad Baker because the defensive backfield is completely depleted, they win against INdy. There are injuries this year, but nowhere near the level of the past.

Now, any team in the field could beat any other on any day. But, you've seen them all play. Would you pick any of them to beat NE? I wouldn't. They all have a chance if the stars align, but if NE plays their game, they will not lose.

J'ville has a chance with the running game. I just don't think they can get enough points to keep up.

Indy has the best chance, but without Freeney, I don't think they can generate the pass rush they need. They'll need to blitz, and Brady will carve them up.

SD has a great chance, but Rivers is too much of a liabiliity They will take LT away and dare rivers to beat them. Taking away LT is allowing him is 100 and 2 TD's. That wont get it done against this offense. Their defense can hold the Pats to about 31, but I don't think they can get there themselves.

The NFC teams? The Pack lost to the Bears. The 'boys to the Eagles. Can they win? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not at all

 

[freelander]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

The Pats have never let their guard down in the playoffs. That's the point I think he made. Their playoff losses to Denver, with a weak team on the road, and Indy on the road. They were the dogs, and still had a chance to pull both of them off. If they're not playing Rashad Baker because the defensive backfield is completely depleted, they win against INdy. There are injuries this year, but nowhere near the level of the past.

Now, any team in the field could beat any other on any day. But, you've seen them all play. Would you pick any of them to beat NE? I wouldn't. They all have a chance if the stars align, but if NE plays their game, they will not lose.

J'ville has a chance with the running game. I just don't think they can get enough points to keep up.

Indy has the best chance, but without Freeney, I don't think they can generate the pass rush they need. They'll need to blitz, and Brady will carve them up.

SD has a great chance, but Rivers is too much of a liabiliity They will take LT away and dare rivers to beat them. Taking away LT is allowing him is 100 and 2 TD's. That wont get it done against this offense. Their defense can hold the Pats to about 31, but I don't think they can get there themselves.

The NFC teams? The Pack lost to the Bears. The 'boys to the Eagles. Can they win? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not at all

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

The Pats have never let their guard down in the playoffs. That's the point I think he made. Their playoff losses to Denver, with a weak team on the road, and Indy on the road. They were the dogs, and still had a chance to pull both of them off. If they're not playing Rashad Baker because the defensive backfield is completely depleted, they win against INdy. There are injuries this year, but nowhere near the level of the past.

Now, any team in the field could beat any other on any day. But, you've seen them all play. Would you pick any of them to beat NE? I wouldn't. They all have a chance if the stars align, but if NE plays their game, they will not lose.

J'ville has a chance with the running game. I just don't think they can get enough points to keep up.

Indy has the best chance, but without Freeney, I don't think they can generate the pass rush they need. They'll need to blitz, and Brady will carve them up.

SD has a great chance, but Rivers is too much of a liabiliity They will take LT away and dare rivers to beat them. Taking away LT is allowing him is 100 and 2 TD's. That wont get it done against this offense. Their defense can hold the Pats to about 31, but I don't think they can get there themselves.

The NFC teams? The Pack lost to the Bears. The 'boys to the Eagles. Can they win? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not at all

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

Naturally.

 

[PMENFAN]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

That last sentence is the key there. They're the ones that won it.

See. this is why no one likes the pats fans. The guy had a legitimate point about your favorite teams win as a heavy underdog and you take the opportunity to display this false bravado. Hey guy, you were on the field, huh? No? It's not your swagger so just answer the EFFing question.

The Pats have never let their guard down in the playoffs. That's the point I think he made. Their playoff losses to Denver, with a weak team on the road, and Indy on the road. They were the dogs, and still had a chance to pull both of them off. If they're not playing Rashad Baker because the defensive backfield is completely depleted, they win against INdy. There are injuries this year, but nowhere near the level of the past.

Now, any team in the field could beat any other on any day. But, you've seen them all play. Would you pick any of them to beat NE? I wouldn't. They all have a chance if the stars align, but if NE plays their game, they will not lose.

J'ville has a chance with the running game. I just don't think they can get enough points to keep up.

Indy has the best chance, but without Freeney, I don't think they can generate the pass rush they need. They'll need to blitz, and Brady will carve them up.

SD has a great chance, but Rivers is too much of a liabiliity They will take LT away and dare rivers to beat them. Taking away LT is allowing him is 100 and 2 TD's. That wont get it done against this offense. Their defense can hold the Pats to about 31, but I don't think they can get there themselves.

The NFC teams? The Pack lost to the Bears. The 'boys to the Eagles. Can they win? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not at all

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

Read much? I said they had a poor team in Denver. No injuries mentioned. I specifically mentioned the injuries to the Colts, because Manning had his way in the 2nd half after Hawkins went down. At safety they were playing 2 third stringers because of injuries. Even still, with those injuries, as a dog, they almost pulled it out. Why not talk about the substance of the post, rather than looking for something to attack Pats fans about. If you don't want to hear from Pats fans, might I suggest you not start or read posts about the Pats? It may ease your pain.

And Yes, I did believe they could beat the Rams. They had barely lost to them earlier in the same season.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

Naturally.

I love it. You two tools crash every pats thread here and create even more threads to spew your insatiable bile about the pats, pats fan, the coach, etc. etc. and then you act all indignant when pats fans bow up against your instigating drivel.Try not to let your frustration over the good fortune that the patriots and their fans have enjoyed over the last few years get the best of you. No patriots fan I know, in the real world or in this circus, thinks like the above, and you know it.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

Naturally.

I love it. You two tools crash every pats thread here and create even more threads to spew your insatiable bile about the pats, pats fan, the coach, etc. etc. and then you act all indignant when pats fans bow up against your instigating drivel.Try not to let your frustration over the good fortune that the patriots and their fans have enjoyed over the last few years get the best of you. No patriots fan I know, in the real world or in this circus, thinks like the above, and you know it.

Meh.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

 

[TD Ryan]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

you should check page 1 (post #21?) of this thread.it does not appear that you know much about the Patriots or their fans, nor do you actually take the time to read a thread before interjecting with mis-truths.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

you should check page 1 (post #21?) of this thread.it does not appear that you know much about the Patriots or their fans, nor do you actually take the time to read a thread before interjecting with mis-truths.

While I'm sure they would like you to speak for them, you don't. Most pats fans it seems are indignant at the fact that we don't all love their team or sheare their view of their greatness. Their perfect season is fascist and boring. It should never happen in the NFL. If it does, it means the NFL is weak.

 

[TD Ryan]

While I'm sure they would like you to speak for them, you don't. Most pats fans it seems are indignant at the fact that we don't all love their team or sheare their view of their greatness. Their perfect season is fascist and boring. It should never happen in the NFL. If it does, it means the NFL is weak.

indeed I respect your dislike for the perfect season and the fact that you find it boring.however, I assure you, if it was the team you rooted for, you would not find it boring at all.where I disagree with you here is on the notion that the NFL is weak.the case could be made that this era is the pinnacle for the NFL.the league is at an all time high in popularity and revenues and (ask the NBA, MLB, NHL) success like this is not a certainty for any pro-sports league and sustaining it almost impossible.so while you have every right to doubt the greatness of the current New England Patriots Dynasty, I will wait for time to pass before I make any judgment as the possibility exists that in hastily labeling them today, I may sell myself short, for as time passes they may well become the greatest team during the greatest era the NFL has ever known.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

While I'm sure they would like you to speak for them, you don't. Most pats fans it seems are indignant at the fact that we don't all love their team or sheare their view of their greatness. Their perfect season is fascist and boring. It should never happen in the NFL. If it does, it means the NFL is weak.

indeed I respect your dislike for the perfect season and the fact that you find it boring.however, I assure you, if it was the team you rooted for, you would not find it boring at all.where I disagree with you here is on the notion that the NFL is weak.the case could be made that this era is the pinnacle for the NFL.the league is at an all time high in popularity and revenues and (ask the NBA, MLB, NHL) success like this is not a certainty for any pro-sports league and sustaining it almost impossible.so while you have every right to doubt the greatness of the current New England Patriots Dynasty, I will wait for time to pass before I make any judgment as the possibility exists that in hastily labeling them today, I may sell myself short, for as time passes they may well become the greatest team during the greatest era the NFL has ever known.

The greatest era for popularity has nothing to do (directly) with the talent level or the competition level. I believe the NFL is the most popular sport largely because there have been so few blips on the social radar (the strike was what, 25 years ago?). Other than that there's no reason not to like the NFL. And while I detest what Vick and PacMan represent, they alone are not enough to bring down the mighty NFL.

 

[Anarchy99]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

Let's review for a minute on Harrison . . .What was his injury? (A bruise)How long does it take to recover from a bruise? (A lot less than 14 weeks)How many passes did Harison catch in December? (0)How many passes did Harrison catch in November? (0)How many times have we been promised that he would be playing that week? (Quite a few)Would the lay person see that there is something going on here that is . . . odd?I have insider information on this situation that I can't share, but people should be able to figure out on their own that there is more to the story than what is getting reported.Bottom line, I would be highly surprised that Marvin Harrison could jump back in and play at a top level having barely been on the field over the past 3+ months.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

Let's review for a minute on Harrison . . .What was his injury? (A bruise)How long does it take to recover from a bruise? (A lot less than 14 weeks)How many passes did Harison catch in December? (0)How many passes did Harrison catch in November? (0)How many times have we been promised that he would be playing that week? (Quite a few)Would the lay person see that there is something going on here that is . . . odd?I have insider information on this situation that I can't share, but people should be able to figure out on their own that there is more to the story than what is getting reported.Bottom line, I would be highly surprised that Marvin Harrison could jump back in and play at a top level having barely been on the field over the past 3+ months.

No offense, but when you say things like 'I have insider information that I can't share' it really adds zero to the conversation. Besides, if what you are saying is true, that he was hurt beyond a bruise, wouldn't the Colt's failure to report it be in violation of the NFL rules on injury reporting?

 

[switz]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

Let's review for a minute on Harrison . . .What was his injury? (A bruise)

How long does it take to recover from a bruise? (A lot less than 14 weeks)

How many passes did Harison catch in December? (0)

How many passes did Harrison catch in November? (0)

How many times have we been promised that he would be playing that week? (Quite a few)

Would the lay person see that there is something going on here that is . . . odd?

I have insider information on this situation that I can't share, but people should be able to figure out on their own that there is more to the story than what is getting reported.

Bottom line, I would be highly surprised that Marvin Harrison could jump back in and play at a top level having barely been on the field over the past 3+ months.

I'm sure it's more than a bruise, that's obvious to anyone without inside information. However, to think Harrison couldn't jump in and play is shortsighted, as he is a highly trained athlete, who has always been a very hard worker.

IMO, if anything, the Colts have merely been saving Harrison for the playoffs, and it will have a huge effect getting him back, now that Wayne has earned more coverage. And shelving him gave Gonzales an opportunity to get more playing time.

 

[freelander]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

Naturally.

I love it. You two tools crash every pats thread here and create even more threads to spew your insatiable bile about the pats, pats fan, the coach, etc. etc. and then you act all indignant when pats fans bow up against your instigating drivel.Try not to let your frustration over the good fortune that the patriots and their fans have enjoyed over the last few years get the best of you. No patriots fan I know, in the real world or in this circus, thinks like the above, and you know it.

Meh.

 

[Anarchy99]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

 

[freelander]

..and more reasons to love Pats fans. Basically, it seems, since beating the Rams (which I suppose was expected by Pats fans because they knew already they were great) ... any losses since then can be explained by injury or some other factor out of their control.

you should check page 1 (post #21?) of this thread.it does not appear that you know much about the Patriots or their fans, nor do you actually take the time to read a thread before interjecting with mis-truths.

I believe Mookie answered this one in #76 .. (my reponse was to PMEFAN and the like) Guys--its mostly tongue-in cheek... and serves to keep some of the over-zealousness in check

 

[djcolts]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

Let's review for a minute on Harrison . . .What was his injury? (A bruise)

How long does it take to recover from a bruise? (A lot less than 14 weeks)

How many passes did Harison catch in December? (0)

How many passes did Harrison catch in November? (0)

How many times have we been promised that he would be playing that week? (Quite a few)

Would the lay person see that there is something going on here that is . . . odd?

I have insider information on this situation that I can't share, but people should be able to figure out on their own that there is more to the story than what is getting reported.

Bottom line, I would be highly surprised that Marvin Harrison could jump back in and play at a top level having barely been on the field over the past 3+ months.

I'm sure it's more than a bruise, that's obvious to anyone without inside information. However, to think Harrison couldn't jump in and play is shortsighted, as he is a highly trained athlete, who has always been a very hard worker.

IMO, if anything, the Colts have merely been saving Harrison for the playoffs, and it will have a huge effect getting him back, now that Wayne has earned more coverage. And shelving him gave Gonzales an opportunity to get more playing time.

Polian said that Harrison's bursa sac on that knee was bursted on his radio show about 2 months ago. So, it is public knowledge that given by a top key official that this wasn't just a bruise.

 

[switz]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

Did you read my whole post?

 

[Anarchy99]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

Did you read my whole post?

Yes. And what you posted in no way, shape, or form aligns with what I have heard is going on. Not even close.

 

[Jercules]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

Did you read my whole post?

Yes. And what you posted in no way, shape, or form aligns with what I have heard is going on. Not even close.

So he's very seriously hurt, and the Colts are keeping it under wraps to keep opponents guessing and maybe take some "starter" pressure off Gonzalez?Also, if that's true and they are BSing on the injury reports, wouldn't that make Dungy a dirty CHEATER???

 

[switz]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

Did you read my whole post?

Yes. And what you posted in no way, shape, or form aligns with what I have heard is going on. Not even close.

So it's neither more than a bruise, nor is it that they're saving him.Funny thing, it can't really be neither of those.

 

[jurrassic]

The Patriots can beat the Patriots. All it takes is a couple turnovers and any team can be in it.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

 

[Anarchy99]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

so given what ya know, did Marv burn a bridge here? Is he about to hang em up or what?

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

so given what ya know, did Marv burn a bridge here? Is he about to hang em up or what?

BSS, the guy has SENSITIVE information that he can only divulge a few syllables at a time. Can't you see we are dealing with serious stuff here? We are on the verge of outing one of the best players for one of the classiest coaches as a cheater. Now if only I had someone else to talk about that is a cheater to compare Marvin to. Hmmmmm....

 

[Anarchy99]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

so given what ya know, did Marv burn a bridge here? Is he about to hang em up or what?

BSS, the guy has SENSITIVE information that he can only divulge a few syllables at a time. Can't you see we are dealing with serious stuff here? We are on the verge of outing one of the best players for one of the classiest coaches as a cheater. Now if only I had someone else to talk about that is a cheater to compare Marvin to. Hmmmmm....

As FBG staff, I have been explicitly told NOT to discuss this in detail. And it has nothing to do with cheating.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

You guys are guessing in the WRONG DIRECTION as to the severity of his injury (at least from the intel I have heard).

So you're saying he's not hurt at all. Not the preacher!!!!!!!!!

Without rehashing everything, all I'm suggesting is that people are looking at the situation and concluding . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Colts determine when Harrison plays (labelled as 'resting him for the playoffs')when PERHAPS . . .Harrison gets hurt -->Harrison gets better -->Harrison determines when Harrison wants to come back to playThat last part is the key to this entire situation, and you don't need the specifics to figure out that that could be very problematic on the Colts end.In Monopoly, you get $200 for passing GO, and you can debate all you want how to spend the $200. But you have to actually GET PAST GO to be able to spend the money.I have no etched in stone, irrefutable evidence on any of this, but I have heard some things that would suggest that the situation has played out differently then what has been reported.

so given what ya know, did Marv burn a bridge here? Is he about to hang em up or what?

BSS, the guy has SENSITIVE information that he can only divulge a few syllables at a time. Can't you see we are dealing with serious stuff here? We are on the verge of outing one of the best players for one of the classiest coaches as a cheater. Now if only I had someone else to talk about that is a cheater to compare Marvin to. Hmmmmm....

As FBG staff, I have been explicitly told NOT to discuss this in detail. And it has nothing to do with cheating.

Ok so why bring it up if you can't talk about it? I'm guessing you can't talk about it because it's a rumor - purely speculative in nature. I doubt FBGs wants to become a rumor monger. At any rate, the guy is pretty important to his team. I would think the Colts would rather have him out there than the rook - especially for the pats. But they have to get past SD first.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

As FBG staff, I have been explicitly told NOT to discuss this in detail. And it has nothing to do with cheating.

Are you going to be able to discuss it at a later date? If so, when? If not, do you anticipate it becoming public knowledge at a later date? If so, when?

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

I'd be lying if I thought any of these teams can't win in New England. They all can. The Colts in particular because they have the most talent, the best D and they make the fewest mistakes. Because to simplify, what it's going to take is a GREAT game from another team for a FULL 60 minutes. Not a great game for 55 like Philly, Baltimore or Indy. Not a pretty good game for 60 like the Giants. You can't think you can win giving up 38 points to them. You also can't win only scoring 20. And you can't throw picks late in the game or fumble the ball away and hope to win. That's money time. That's when whoever is going to beat NE needs to step up and continue to play great. You can't choke. You have to finish. QBs have to know theyre going to get hit, and they have to stand tall, take the pain, and deliver the ball. Because it's no picnic taking hits from Vince Wilfork or Ty Warren. Those guys are delivering sledgehammer hits. Go back and look at that hit Peyton Manning took from Warren late in that game that about dislodged his adam's apple. Dude got hit so hard I thought his head would snap off. Its gonna be tough. We know all the things teams need to do. Pressure the Q, run ball, stop the run, possess the ball, keep the O off the field, blah,blah,blah. A team will basically need to show up IN New England in January in front of a large, loud crowd and play great for the entire game. And if NE gets to the Superbowl, its lights out. Theyre crushing whoever that lucky team is. Make no mistake about that.

As a Pats fan, you of all people should know that even a heavy underdog can win on occasion in the big game. Wasn't there a superbowl in recent history that you guys won?

But the favotite in that super bowl had an idiot coach.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Who can beat the pats?, Seriously.

If Marvin Harrison is healthy enough to be effective, the Colts.

Let's review for a minute on Harrison . . .What was his injury? (A bruise)

How long does it take to recover from a bruise? (A lot less than 14 weeks)

How many passes did Harison catch in December? (0)

How many passes did Harrison catch in November? (0)

How many times have we been promised that he would be playing that week? (Quite a few)

Would the lay person see that there is something going on here that is . . . odd?

I have insider information on this situation that I can't share, but people should be able to figure out on their own that there is more to the story than what is getting reported.

Bottom line, I would be highly surprised that Marvin Harrison could jump back in and play at a top level having barely been on the field over the past 3+ months.

I did say "If".