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Who Else Isn't taking LJ with the 3rd pick? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter bkerney
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Who are you going to select then?
No one really cares.There's been about 300 threads on this, use ths search function.And just for kicks, he had no coach, no wrs, no qb last year. And busted his way to 19 TDs. The horrors.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
MarcO
Footballguy
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I took him at 1.03 a few weeks ago and a few thousand other owners too and this was before he signed...there are thousands of drafts that are already done online and off. 
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I care. So what if there are 300 threads on the subject. What are you the CIO here? If he is not ready to go he drops. Nothing drastic he drops. Otta the top 5? Who knows but I am going to let someone else take him on if I have a top 5 pick I will take a pass on his ###. That OL is a joke and you can have no QB, no coach, no WRs but without a decent OL he is going to start to eventually take a beating....
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
My concern is not about LJ or his talent. It is about the lack of talent at QB and WR. Huard is hurt, Coyle will win by default..god forbid what happens if Coyle goes down.
I can see this happening..
LJ- 3 yard gain..LJ 4 yard gain..Coyle incomplete pass..punt
LJ 5 yard gain LJ 3 yard gain Coyle INT All of a sudden the Chiefs are down 14-17 points
I can see this happening..
LJ- 3 yard gain..LJ 4 yard gain..Coyle incomplete pass..punt
LJ 5 yard gain LJ 3 yard gain Coyle INT All of a sudden the Chiefs are down 14-17 points
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
I just traded him away in my keeper league. He may start out strong, but I firmly believe now is the time to sell while the masses are still high on him.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I think it really depends on your league - here are a few considerations:
- he is still Top 5 in non ppr leagues
- how many "regular season" games does your league play before the playoffs - larger number is favorable to LJ as he will not be the only rusher in their first game against Houston and then they play four tough defenses in a row (yeah I know he did well against tough teams last year, but what about their OLine and QB?
- the Chiefs playoff schedule is GREAT - if you can get there with less than #3 contributions from him
- he is still Top 5 in non ppr leagues
- how many "regular season" games does your league play before the playoffs - larger number is favorable to LJ as he will not be the only rusher in their first game against Houston and then they play four tough defenses in a row (yeah I know he did well against tough teams last year, but what about their OLine and QB?
- the Chiefs playoff schedule is GREAT - if you can get there with less than #3 contributions from him
gump
Footballguy
...and the reason I would take him at #3. That and I consider his floor higher than Gore's.Like a train wreck, I can't pull myself away from this forum and its members making such laughable decisions.
Addai has done all of nothing that warrants even being considered a top 5 back, yet, there he is...time and time again. People who have actually produced in the league and have put up monster numbers will fail to do so for a billion and 1 different reasons.
"I don't like LJ because of his bad QB. I know that usually means the HC will reign his bad QB in and run more, but whatever. Addai is in the most prolific passing offense so he's my guy!!!!1111!! Plus, since LJ's never been injured before it MUST BE TIME!!!!"
"Speaking of injuries, I don't like Gore because of knee injuries 3 years ago. Who cares that he monsterized the league last year 2 years removed from said injury and has added a few weapons that'll make it less likely for teams to jam up the box."
"Shaun Alexander!!!! he's almost 30!!!!! JimBob the Stat Pirate told me that 30 year old RBs stink. AND HE BROKE HIS FOOT!!!!. I don't care he took 40 carries and rushed for over 200 yards on his broken foot last year and still has one of the best O-Lines in the league. Addai is my hero!!!"
Sounds like a no-brainer to me. When its time to pick a #1 RB, a smart shark drafts the RB in an offense that is loaded with pass catchers. Why would you ever want to pick a RB who is the focal point of an offense???
I hope I didn't put anyone's sarcasm detector on Tilt with all of that.
Addai has done all of nothing that warrants even being considered a top 5 back, yet, there he is...time and time again. People who have actually produced in the league and have put up monster numbers will fail to do so for a billion and 1 different reasons.
"I don't like LJ because of his bad QB. I know that usually means the HC will reign his bad QB in and run more, but whatever. Addai is in the most prolific passing offense so he's my guy!!!!1111!! Plus, since LJ's never been injured before it MUST BE TIME!!!!"
"Speaking of injuries, I don't like Gore because of knee injuries 3 years ago. Who cares that he monsterized the league last year 2 years removed from said injury and has added a few weapons that'll make it less likely for teams to jam up the box."
"Shaun Alexander!!!! he's almost 30!!!!! JimBob the Stat Pirate told me that 30 year old RBs stink. AND HE BROKE HIS FOOT!!!!. I don't care he took 40 carries and rushed for over 200 yards on his broken foot last year and still has one of the best O-Lines in the league. Addai is my hero!!!"
Sounds like a no-brainer to me. When its time to pick a #1 RB, a smart shark drafts the RB in an offense that is loaded with pass catchers. Why would you ever want to pick a RB who is the focal point of an offense???
I hope I didn't put anyone's sarcasm detector on Tilt with all of that.
14 - Teamer tomorrow, non-PPR...I already have LJ plugged in #3 on Auto-Pick.
His playoff schedule really is the key for me. He's only one player, and drafting in the 3-spot I feel good about my chances to build a solid team around him to get me into the playoffs...rather than risk having Addai sit in December after INDY clinches I'll roll with the big fella.
His playoff schedule really is the key for me. He's only one player, and drafting in the 3-spot I feel good about my chances to build a solid team around him to get me into the playoffs...rather than risk having Addai sit in December after INDY clinches I'll roll with the big fella.
Tong Po
Footballguy
I can appreciate that arguement. But here's where my thinking differs...What you just decribed was exactly how the Chiefs offense looked the first half of the 2006 season. However LJ got his yards catching the ball out of the backfield. I gotta believe if the offense is struggling this year, they will start dumping passes to LJ. He's the most talented offensive player the Chiefs have so I gotta believe they will do whatever it takes to get the rock in his hands.It seemed once Huard took over and stabilized the passing game a bit, that's when Larry amped up the rushing game. It's very possible the Chiefs offense parallels last years.
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The Bad CEO
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I'd trade out of the 3rd pick this year. Rather go 7th-9th.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I But, if you think he's a bust and definitely don't want to draft him, why do YOU care?
Resident A
Footballguy
I did 5 mock drafts today from the #4 spot, where I pick in my league. I was shocked that LJ went #1 in 2 of them. He only made it to me at #4 in 1 out of 5 mocks.
Now I am planning to take LJ or Gore at #4 and be happy, but no way would I pass one sure things like LT/S-Jax for LJ.
Now I am planning to take LJ or Gore at #4 and be happy, but no way would I pass one sure things like LT/S-Jax for LJ.
Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
Blackstar said:
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Took Parker last night at #3, in a PPR league. There, I said it. Wish I could have traded down a few spots, but that's life.
Watching some of last night's game, got me thinking of some other recent RB's on less than average offensive teams (Dillon with Cincy, Edge with AZ, Bettis with the Rams). I find it difficult to project a guy on such a poor offense to have a "top 3 RB" season. I would probably lean more toward someone on an "up and coming" offense like a Gore or FWP or a solid offense like Addai. KC will have a lot of games where they will be lucky to score more than one TD IMO.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
At this point (after the third preseason game) everyone has an ample chance to see the issues facing the Chiefs.
The Line looks bad. The QBs look worse and there is still no receiving threats besides Gonzo who is 31.
Certainly LJ should help the other out with his presence, which should avert a catstrophic season for the Cheifs.
So LJ should be dropping on his projected stats and on the draft lists. But not too terribly far. He is still a beast.
The Line looks bad. The QBs look worse and there is still no receiving threats besides Gonzo who is 31.
Certainly LJ should help the other out with his presence, which should avert a catstrophic season for the Cheifs.
So LJ should be dropping on his projected stats and on the draft lists. But not too terribly far. He is still a beast.
Preseason really doesn't mean much of anything. Sorry to break it to you. The Raiders went 4-0 last preseason and beat up on people. Andy Reid is 8 games under .500 in his preseason career and wins the division every year.
If preseason tells you anything, it's that it doesn't mean $h!+
If preseason tells you anything, it's that it doesn't mean $h!+
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
Take LJ without reservation at the 3rd spot.
Even if he takes a 20% hit in his production from last year [which is not likely], he still out-performs all others in Tier 2 of the RB's.
Westbrook, Gore, Parker, Jones-Drew, Alexander
Please don't judge pre-season to be any indication of how a team or individual is going to perform in the season. I believe that Indianapolis has a 1-11 record the last 3 years in the pre-season.
The last 4 Super Bowl winners are something like 2-14 collectively in their respective pre-seasons.
The Chiefs have not had a sound receiving alternative to Gonzalez in any year since Columbus sailed ... D. Alexander is the only receiver to crack the Top 10 WR [in 2000]. Kennison broke the Top 20 WR twice with two 18'th place finishes ...
They will find a way to pull the Offense together and LJ will get his carries, yards and TD's. Like with every other year the past 10, Kansas City needs a Defense to contend for the Super Bowl ... it isn't happening.
Even if he takes a 20% hit in his production from last year [which is not likely], he still out-performs all others in Tier 2 of the RB's.
Westbrook, Gore, Parker, Jones-Drew, Alexander
Please don't judge pre-season to be any indication of how a team or individual is going to perform in the season. I believe that Indianapolis has a 1-11 record the last 3 years in the pre-season.
The last 4 Super Bowl winners are something like 2-14 collectively in their respective pre-seasons.
The Chiefs have not had a sound receiving alternative to Gonzalez in any year since Columbus sailed ... D. Alexander is the only receiver to crack the Top 10 WR [in 2000]. Kennison broke the Top 20 WR twice with two 18'th place finishes ...
They will find a way to pull the Offense together and LJ will get his carries, yards and TD's. Like with every other year the past 10, Kansas City needs a Defense to contend for the Super Bowl ... it isn't happening.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
Can we all stop making the false argument that preseason doesn't mean anything because you can look at the records of teams that were terrible in the regular season but had winning records in the preseason?That is called a nonsequitor. It doesn't have anything to do with the central point.The relevance, and perhaps only relevance, of preseason is getting a chance to watch the first team offenses and defenses of a given team play against opponents' first team offenses and defenses.After the first teams are off the field, I couldn't care less whether the Raiders or any teams win or lose a preseason game.And with respect to the Chiefs, when their first team offense has been in the game, they've looked awful.Now, they also (apparently) looke awful last year too. So that is worth considering.But don't simply discount the Chiefs' lousy performance thus by focusing on win-loss records. It's meaningless.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Fantasy football is all about player evaluation. That includes evaluating everything that effects any player.
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You kinda skipped this question.
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Thank God I didn't use your method of "evaluation" last season. LJ at 1.2 was $ in the bank ...even if he and KC had a horrid preseason.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I had LJ at #2 last year. I have 'em at #5 this moment, virtual tie for #4.Thank God I didn't use your method of "evaluation" last season. LJ at 1.2 was $ in the bank ...even if he and KC had a horrid preseason.
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I can respect him not being taken at 1.3, I just don't think you can base an opinion of one player's performance off of what his offense does without him in a few preseason games.I doubt Croyle will be KC's starter with his last few performances. Huard did fine last season, I see no reason why they'd settle for less than him.I had LJ at #2 last year. I have 'em at #5 this moment, virtual tie for #4.Thank God I didn't use your method of "evaluation" last season. LJ at 1.2 was $ in the bank ...even if he and KC had a horrid preseason.Fantasy football is all about player evaluation. That includes evaluating everything that effects any player.
I'm just wondering whether the make the switch to Croyle after the bye (week 8) if not sooner. KC has a very difficult early schedule and could start slowly even with Huard and Johnson in the fold. Also, how healthy is Huard?I can respect him not being taken at 1.3, I just don't think you can base an opinion of one player's performance off of what his offense does without him in a few preseason games.I doubt Croyle will be KC's starter with his last few performances. Huard did fine last season, I see no reason why they'd settle for less than him.I had LJ at #2 last year. I have 'em at #5 this moment, virtual tie for #4.Thank God I didn't use your method of "evaluation" last season. LJ at 1.2 was $ in the bank ...even if he and KC had a horrid preseason.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
THAT to me is the most underrated thing going against LJ - that tough early season schedule that includes Chicago, Minnesota, San Diego, and Jacksonville.Yes, LJ played well against tough defenses last year. But he's also a slow starter. And the Chiefs look, at best, disjointed.
I can just see LJ taking a few games to get adjusted to the new OLine, the Chiefs are playing stiff defenses, and next thing you know, you've started the season 0-3 or 1-4. And then you're done.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'm at #4 and will take what's left - LJ or Gore. Hearing that it will be LJ to me. I've had him the last two years. I may pick him and not watch a down this season. The Chiefs offense is that painful to watch. But #'s are #'s, and I'm confident that LJ will put up good one's over the course of the season...Addai almost won out, but I can't pull the trigger on him.
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Sorry man, but if you can't draft a good enough team around your 1st pick to even make the playoffs. ...then you have learned NOTHING from the Shark Pool. We have failed you.
thehornet
Footballguy
Relax Funston.Sorry man, but if you can't draft a good enough team around your 1st pick to even make the playoffs. ...then you have learned NOTHING from the Shark Pool. We have failed you.
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2 years ago, I won my superbowl in a 12 team redraft while a.) losing my first 2 draft picks midseason(2RBs), and b.) not making a single add/drop the entire season. If you go 0-3 / 1-4, don't blame your running backs, blame your god-awful drafting skills. Your god-awful drafting skills are what made you not take LJ or Frank Gore in the first place. 1 player does not a team make...unless you're LT.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
Relax, boys. I've been doing this a long, long time, and don't need lectures from self-proclaimed sharks.My league is very regular season, not post season, oriented. And it's a very competitive 12-team league. If you draft in the first 4 picks, and your stud RB doesn't pan out, you will lose a bunch of games early. Happens every year in my league.
And, for better or for worse, my league is too good to close the gap if you stumble out of the gates. No matter how well you draft the rest of the way.
Every league is different. but that's how my league works.
If you're talking about a league where you can't afford a "bust" at #1 you will probably be better off not taking LJ (or even Gore) at #3 since there is downside. A pick like Addai or FWP may better suit your needs.
However, one of the privileges of having a top 3-4 pick is the opportunity to draft a potential monster RB like LJ (or Gore). If you can afford the potential risk, that's where you need to go.
Last year, Gore, Betts and Addai lead many teams to championships, and none of them were even 1st or 2nd rounders in any league.
However, one of the privileges of having a top 3-4 pick is the opportunity to draft a potential monster RB like LJ (or Gore). If you can afford the potential risk, that's where you need to go.
Last year, Gore, Betts and Addai lead many teams to championships, and none of them were even 1st or 2nd rounders in any league.
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