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Who had the better career? (1 Viewer)

Who ya got?

  • Stephon Marbury

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Steve Francis

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • Total voters
    27

Frostillicus

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Who had the better career?

Stephon Marbury: Starbury. 13 years, career line of 19.3p and 7.6a with 1.2s on 43/33/78 shooting. Twice an All-star and Twice all-NBA. ROY runner-up. 18 career playoff games as a contributor. Let his ego destroy a budding partnership with KG, then went and dominated in China. Launched a basketball shoe priced at $14.99 for poor kids.

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Steve Francis: Stevie Franchise. 9 years, career line of 18.1p/5.6r/6.0a with 1.5s on 43/34/80 shooting. A three-time all-star and rookie of the year winner. 5 career playoff games. Forced his way off the team that drafted him without paying a single game.
 
Three times in his career Marbury left a team and was replaced by another high-level PG, and all three times that team got a lot better without him. Advanced stats that are based off +/- like BPM and RAPM all think he was awful. They don't love Francis either but the hate isn't as strong.

But I still voted for Marbury because his second act in China was pretty cool, and because his offensive stats are better. Francis had a serious turnover problem. If you're going to be 9th all time in TO/G you should be producing a lot more than 18 ppg and 6 apg.
 
Three times in his career Marbury left a team and was replaced by another high-level PG, and all three times that team got a lot better without him. Advanced stats that are based off +/- like BPM and RAPM all think he was awful. They don't love Francis either but the hate isn't as strong.

But I still voted for Marbury because his second act in China was pretty cool, and because his offensive stats are better. Francis had a serious turnover problem. If you're going to be 9th all time in TO/G you should be producing a lot more than 18 ppg and 6 apg.
Did we mention Starburys for the kids at $29M?

Stevie Francis from Maryland? He left (I said he was there but remembered he might not have been) and Juan Dixon and MD were something else. Beat UCONN and Caron Butler in the Elite Eight the year MD won it all (2002) and Gary Williams got to go co-ed fishing for a few years’ last hurrah.
 
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Stevie Francis from Maryland? He left (I said he was there but remembered he might not have been) and Juan Dixon and MD were something else. Beat UCONN and Caron Butler in the Elite Eight the year MD won it all (2002) and Gary Williams got to go co-ed fishing for a few years’ last hurrah.
Francis had left by the time Maryland had that elite run w/Dixon. He came out of JuCo to Maryland and played one year. Great talent, but a Grade A jerk. He'd pout and sulk if things didn't go his way. MD was playing St Johns (who had Ron Artest and some other really good players) in the NCAAT and SJU was blowing them out. According to the SJ's bench, Francis would run past them (his team down 30, mind you) saying stuff like (paraphrasing) "I'll be making millions next year while you're sitting here". You saw how he acted on draft night when Vancouver drafted him.
 
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Stevie Francis from Maryland? He left (I said he was there but remembered he might not have been) and Juan Dixon and MD were something else. Beat UCONN and Caron Butler in the Elite Eight the year MD won it all (2002) and Gary Williams got to go co-ed fishing for a few years’ last hurrah.
Francis had left by the time Maryland had that elite run w/Dixon. He came out of JuCo to Maryland and played one year. Great talent, but a Grade A jerk. He'd pout and sulk if things didn't go his way. MD was playing St Johns (who had Ron Artest and some other really good players) in the NCAAT and SJU was blowing them out. According to the SJ's bench, Francis would run past them (his team down 30, mind you) saying stuff like (paraphrasing) "I'll be making millions next year while you're sitting here". You saw how he acted on draft night when Vancouver drafted him.

Yeah, I distinctly remembered him leaving after typing. I should have said that I lived in MD in that period (I left MD in 2001 and lived in CT in 2002, which is how I remember Caron Butler—Huskies!) but Dixon was the man for that team with Lonnie Baxter and then Steve Blake (?). I think Dixon’s teenage years were rough because his parents had died (Mom from AIDS?) and he wound up being taken in by and living with Kevin Braswell’s family; Braswell being the ultra smooth 6’0” or even 5’11” lefty point guard from Georgetown. Those were great days for mid-Atlantic college basketball.

I remember the St. John’s team because they lost to Ohio State in the Elite Eight in ‘99 with Ron Artest (Meta or Metta?) and UCONN beat Ohio State in the Final Four (I think—I sure do know they beat Duke in the final). The next year UCONN got run off the court by Erick Barkley, Lavor Postell, and the lefty Bootsy Thornton (no kidding with the name) in the Big East Tourney Final. St. John’s made my friend and I a full paycheck (non-profit morons gambling) one weekend by beating Duke 83-82 on the road when they were getting eight. They were excellent but lost in the second round of the NCAAs (oh wow, memory is faulty—I thought they made the Final Four—oof). I forget who they lost to (Gonzaga).

Francis doing that is not something I remember offhand. Those St. John’s kids were not rich. That would have been classless. They were all kids. Maybe Stevie matured or maybe he’s still a jerk. I think Barkley was getting paid and they lost their banner. I’ll look that up. No. There was a gambling scandal in 2002.

Eta* my memory is so addled—edited for accuracy. I had UConn beating St. John’s in the Elite Eight and Artest playing in 2000. He left in ‘99. I did remember Blake’s identity and Dixon’s Mom dying of AIDS. So did his father. They were heroin addicts. Braswell died this February from a head injury at the age of 46. He’s listed at 6’2” and I’ll eat a hat if that’s true, but given my record here, I’m probably wrong.
 
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Stevie Francis from Maryland? He left (I said he was there but remembered he might not have been) and Juan Dixon and MD were something else. Beat UCONN and Caron Butler in the Elite Eight the year MD won it all (2002) and Gary Williams got to go co-ed fishing for a few years’ last hurrah.
Francis had left by the time Maryland had that elite run w/Dixon. He came out of JuCo to Maryland and played one year. Great talent, but a Grade A jerk. He'd pout and sulk if things didn't go his way. MD was playing St Johns (who had Ron Artest and some other really good players) in the NCAAT and SJU was blowing them out. According to the SJ's bench, Francis would run past them (his team down 30, mind you) saying stuff like (paraphrasing) "I'll be making millions next year while you're sitting here". You saw how he acted on draft night when Vancouver drafted him.

Yeah, I distinctly remembered him leaving after typing. I should have said that I lived in MD in that period (I left MD in 2001 and lived in CT in 2002, which is how I remember Caron Butler—Huskies!) but Dixon was the man for that team with Lonnie Baxter and then Steve Blake (?). I think Dixon’s teenage years were rough because his parents had died (Mom from AIDS?) and he wound up being taken in by and living with Kevin Braswell’s family; Braswell being the ultra smooth 6’0” or even 5’11” lefty point guard from Georgetown. Those were great days for mid-Atlantic college basketball.

I remember the St. John’s team because UCONN beat them in the Elite Eight in ‘99 and the next year got run off the court by Erick Barkley, Ron Artest, and the lefty Bootsy Thornton (no ********!). They made my friend and I a full paycheck one weekend by beating Duke 83-82 when they were getting eight. They were excellent but lost in the second round of the NCAAs (oh wow). I forget who they lost to (Gonzaga).

Francis doing that is not something I remember offhand. Those St. John’s kids were not rich. That would have been classless. They were all kids. Maybe Stevie matured; maybe he’s still a jerk. I think Barkley was getting paid and they lost their banner. I’ll look that up.
UCONN won it in 1999, beating Duke in the title game (which warmed my chestnuts no end). The only thong I remember about 2000 is MSU winning it because we hear every year that they are the last then-current B1G school to win.

Yeah, Dixon had it rough coming up. Besides the family that helped him, Dixon's brother was a cop and helped keep him on a good path. I think if you asked Gary Williams under truth serum (or 3 scotch-&-sodas - same difference), he'd tell you that Juan Dixon was the player he coached and the one he admired the most.

To be a little fair to Francis, the SJU players were riding him hard because they knew they could shake him. Francis took the bait and made a fool of himself.
 

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