Who Has the Better Record - (1 Viewer)

[smackdaddies]

2011 Tebow had 7 regular season wins out of 11 starts (regular season) - I believe his first start was Oct 23.

Since Peyton has demonstrated he can't throw the ball more than 20 yards (to his receivers - he has completed 3 to opponents), I think it is reasonable to assume that teams will start treating Denver's offense like they did last year - crowd the field, dare Peyton to throw. The only differences - Peyton will complete more short passes, but he can't run.

I bet the under on win percentage, but think Peyton will get to at least 8 wins.

 

[fatness]

Hmmm, the Denver Tebows vs. the Denver Mannings. I remember when they were the Broncos.

 

[Hoss Style]

Since Peyton has demonstrated he can't throw the ball more than 20 yards (to his receivers - he has completed 3 to opponents), I think it is reasonable to assume that teams will start treating Denver's offense like they did last year - crowd the field, dare Peyton to throw. The only differences - Peyton will complete more short passes, but he can't run.

Whew. I was about to chalk it up to a QB having a bad game (bad quarter?). Now, after reading this, I stand corrected. I'm going to buy a bullhorn and proclaim to everyone I can on the street corner - They sky is falling, indeed, and it's time to head for the hills.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I bet the under on win percentage, but think Peyton will get to at least 8 wins.

Same here. I think the Broncos will win about 9-10; I'd say more, but their schedule is an absolute nightmare. I'll be happy if they can get to the bye with a 3-3 record. Things will get a little less difficult in the second half of the season.

 

[moleculo]

If Denver wins 11 or more, they will eclipse Tebows win percentage from last year.

Looking at the schedule, the following are shoe-ins:

Pittsburgh (already a W)

oakland

San Diego

Tampa Bay

Cleveland

Kansas City

The following are 50/50 - I expect them to win half:

@ San Diego

New Orleans

@ Kansas City

@ oakland

@ Cincinnati

@ Carolina

that gets us to 9 wins.

The following are doubtful - maybe 25% chance of winning?

Houston

@ New England

@ Baltimore

so that's an expected win total in my book of 9.75. close enough that it could go either way - this could be an 11 win team, could be an 8 win team.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tricky thing here is Manning got worse from game 1 to game 2, not vice versa.

He could have had perhaps 2 more picks. ATL later played a good part of the game with the safeties deep too.

He also had a couple bad calls from the refs that affected things as well.

Also, Decker, Royal, Stokley and Tamme are not proving to be quite as good as counterweights to Thomas as might have been hoped.

Houston will be getting ready to eat his lunch... and his passes; if he has another 2-3 INT day watch out.

Here's another good question: who will end up with more turnovers overall and per game, Manning or Tebow?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Good breakdown, moleculo.

Peyton's weapons, aside from Demaryius, have been disappointing thus far. All we heard all preseason was how much he loved Decker, yet he ignored him for practically the entire game last night except for that one drive and that one late deep throw to him. Tamme has been invisible, too.

 

[flc735]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games.

do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? no

do i think denver will win a playoff game? no

do i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably not

do i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

 

[ichris]

Tebow is more than just a quarterback.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Tebow is more than just a quarterback.

He's also a punt protector.

 

[Otis]

Love Elway eating crow.

 

[Otis]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

 

[Buffaloes]

Tricky thing here is Manning got worse from game 1 to game 2, not vice versa.

playing at Mile High vs. playing in Atl where the Falcons have been very good since Ryan took the helm.Manning and the O looked out of synch, but I think playing in ATL and against a very good D coordinator had a lot to do w/ it. Still a learning process for the entire offence, but look at what Denver did when they got down early last year (see: Lions, NE, GB, NE, Buffalo games) and compare to how Denver was still in it with a little over 2 minutes last night.

 

[Buffaloes]

Love Elway eating crow.

que?Edit: Oh, I get it. more shtick. ooool

 

[Mile High]

Tebow will be lucky to win more then 3 games this year.

 

[moleculo]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

 

[moleculo]

Tebow will be lucky to win play in more then 3 games this year.

fixed.

 

[flc735]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you understand that it takes more than just a quarterback to win games?

 

[flc735]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?

no i dont. i think 2012 denver wins more games with peyton than 2012 denver with tebow would. i dont think they will win more than 10 games with either qb, which was the question i was answering.

If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

if's are worthless. there are hundreds on game changing events every week.if akers daughter wasn't diagnosed cancer the week before the 2010 philly/gb playoff game, he makes those 2 easy FG's and they win. gb never wins the superbowl. then GB picks mark ingram with their 23rd pick and they give him 300 carries a season since they have no one else to rotate him with and ingram is a top 5 ff back right now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

Yep. Don't get me wrong, as a Broncos fan, it was a helluva ride, and I enjoyed every minute of it, but it was literally the perfect storm last year: -Getting the onside kick against the Dolphins.-Playing the Bears when they were without Cutler AND Forte, and still needing a stupid and lucky play like Marion Barber running out of bounds to have a chance. -Playing the Chargers and Chiefs in the middle or at the end of long losing streaks.-Getting the Jets at home on a Thursday night when the Jets had had to play on the previous Sunday night against their archrival (NE). With the Broncos schedule this year, had Tebow remained the QB and everything else been the same, they'd be lucky to be better than 4-12. Saying the Broncos are better off with Tebow if Peyton doesn't match or better what the team did last year is like saying Matt Cassel was better for the Patriots because the team won more games with him in 2008 than they did with Brady in 2009. Many things change in the NFL from year to year and it's never that simple.

 

[Otis]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you understand that it takes more than just a quarterback to win games?

I may be one of the few here who understands exactly that.

 

[Otis]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

If the Queen had balls she'd be King.It's not like the Broncos were about to go into the playoffs and the league stepped in and said "well, wait a minute guys. You won a lot of really close games, so we're not sure we should let you into the playoffs"

 

[moleculo]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

If the Queen had balls she'd be King.It's not like the Broncos were about to go into the playoffs and the league stepped in and said "well, wait a minute guys. You won a lot of really close games, so we're not sure we should let you into the playoffs"

focus less on the if's statement above and more on the preceding question. IMO, as a dedicated Bronco homer and a hardcore fan since 1986, the Broncos are unquestionably better off w/ Manning than Tebow, which seems to be what you are claiming.

 

[moleculo]

loaded questions with tebows 5 less games. do i think denver will win 7 of their first 11? nodo i think denver will win a playoff game? nodo i think peyton will win the same % of games tebow did (63%=10 wins)? maybe, probably notdo i think peyton is better than tebow? yes

So the Denver professional fantasy football franchise would be better with Peyton; the Broncos are better with Tebow.End thread.

do you think that the way the Broncos/Tebow won all those games last year is sustainable?If Miami recovers an on-side kick, if Marion Barber doesn't fumble or run out of bounds, if Prater isn't able to hit multiple 50+ yard FG's as time expires, the legend of Tebow and the 2011 Broncos is completely different.

Yep. Don't get me wrong, as a Broncos fan, it was a helluva ride, and I enjoyed every minute of it, but it was literally the perfect storm last year: -Getting the onside kick against the Dolphins.-Playing the Bears when they were without Cutler AND Forte, and still needing a stupid and lucky play like Marion Barber running out of bounds to have a chance. -Playing the Chargers and Chiefs in the middle or at the end of long losing streaks.-Getting the Jets at home on a Thursday night when the Jets had had to play on the previous Sunday night against their archrival (NE). With the Broncos schedule this year, had Tebow remained the QB and everything else been the same, they'd be lucky to be better than 4-12. Saying the Broncos are better off with Tebow if Peyton doesn't match or better what the team did last year is like saying Matt Cassel was better for the Patriots because the team won more games with him in 2008 than they did with Brady in 2009. Many things change in the NFL from year to year and it's never that simple.

IMO, had Tebow remained starting QB and not progressed as a passer, there would be more games in 2012 similar the 2011 game vs Detroit or New England where Denver got shellacked by competent defenses than games like the Bears or dolphins games, where Denver was the recipient of some pretty amazing luck.I loved Tebow as a leader of the team, but without him progressing as a passer, Denver would have been stuck with the read-option stuff and last minute heroics. It would have been fun to watch and would have beaten some bad teams, but not good enough to win in the playoffs - not with every team in the league having an off-season to digest how to defense it.