Who has the worst draft? (1 Viewer)

[zanti8]

no one even close to how bad the raiders did imo

 

[Ford Prefect]

DEN and OAK are the worst. I just don't get DEN's entire offseason, not just the draft, although the draft only added to that feeling. Richard Quinn?

OAK taking DHB was the single worst pick of the draft so far in my opinion. Not surprising, though.

 

[az_prof]

Yes, it's still early to call who has the worst draft, but thus far my vote goes to the Broncos. Just a terrible pick. If I'm a Denver fan I'm calling for McDaniel's head. Al Davis reached but he at least filled a need.With all the holes Denver had, they draft a rb? When they already had so many?

Oakland did what Oakland does--so as bad as it was, I agree. Denver and McDaniel are really an embarassment. That trade in the second round was especially shocking and they didn't even get a great player but they gave up a First Round pick from a draft that most consider to be better than this year.

 

[Zigg]

Besides the obvious Den/Oak, I don't see how the Lions can enter the draft with the worst D I had ever seen, and a terrible O-Line and come away with only a safety from 3 of the top 33. They came into the draft with the worst off/def lines and did nothing to address them.

 

[MSULions]

Obviously Oakland is the clear #1 in the worst draft category....it's really unbelievable how bad those picks are.

second place is a dogfight though. Denver certainly deserves mention...no idea what they are doing. But i think Cinci may end up the winner here. They took a guy who was in a freefall for reasons no one really knows, but it was obviously something significant - after having used #5 on a guy with serious character concerns. This draft has Aaron Gibson + LaVar Arrington all over it.

Miami is the other I really had to question because of Pat White....they took Henne last year, already have Ginn. It just doesn't make sense, unless after a year of practice they think Henne is worthless.

 

[Oof!]

Raiders had the worst draft ever. Ever.

Denver's draft was moronic, given their needs. But, you could do worse than getting Moreno. Which, of course, they did worse in their follow-up moves.

 

[Tornacl]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

 

[TitusIII]

I'd better make sure to keep my cell phone on me all day tomorrow. I wouldn't want to miss the call if the Raiders draft me.

Michael Mitchell's phone has to be ringing off the hook right now with prospective calls from agents that want to represent this new 2nd rounder.

Angelo(CHI) was going to take him at 49, and he his track record at finding talent in the secondary is pretty solid. Value wise it may have been an iffy pick, but I expect Mitchell to earn his paycheck and then some.

 

[TylerRoseFan]

Thus far IMO it is the JETS. Sanchez could very well work out, but the small body of work there was to go off of makes it very difficult to know if he is a franchise QB or not and that is what the JETS paid for him. A franchise QB price. The JETS gave up far more to draft Sanchez, he is even less proven than DHB and they picked him sooner than Oak took DHB.

this is the correct answer. he's a great kid. he's got a good head on his shoulders. says all the right things. he played well @ home. he played well against bad teams on the road. he was pedestrian on the road vs. decent teams. he's got less than average size. he's got an average arm. he'll be good at holding the clip board for the next 10 years.

 

[Tornacl]

Besides the obvious Den/Oak, I don't see how the Lions can enter the draft with the worst D I had ever seen, and a terrible O-Line and come away with only a safety from 3 of the top 33. They came into the draft with the worst off/def lines and did nothing to address them.

They're like a disease. I wish I didn't grow up watching them, because then it would be more like a watching a comedy. Instead, its like watching Leaving Las Vegas or Seven Pounds - just very depressing.I thought everyone except Millen understood that you win in the trenches. Apparently not.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'd better make sure to keep my cell phone on me all day tomorrow. I wouldn't want to miss the call if the Raiders draft me.

Michael Mitchell's phone has to be ringing off the hook right now with prospective calls from agents that want to represent this new 2nd rounder.

Angelo(CHI) was going to take him at 49, and he his track record at finding talent in the secondary is pretty solid. Value wise it may have been an iffy pick, but I expect Mitchell to earn his paycheck and then some.

 

[bryan215]

Yes, it's still early to call who has the worst draft, but thus far my vote goes to the Broncos. Just a terrible pick. If I'm a Denver fan I'm calling for McDaniel's head. Al Davis reached but he at least filled a need.With all the holes Denver had, they draft a rb? When they already had so many?

Oakland did what Oakland does--so as bad as it was, I agree. Denver and McDaniel are really an embarassment. That trade in the second round was especially shocking and they didn't even get a great player but they gave up a First Round pick from a draft that most consider to be better than this year.

they got the best cover corner in the draft.

 

[MSULions]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

Let us all know when you get hired as a personnel expert in the NFL. The Lions have holes at every position. Thankfully, Mayhew/Schwartz understand this and came in knowing they wouldn't fix it all in one day. So they took BPA and nabbed three guys who should start for years to come. That is the best you can ask from anyone on draft day. The only list Detroit should be a part of tonight is "Who had the Best 1st Day?" Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football.

 

[Oof!]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

Let us all know when you get hired as a personnel expert in the NFL. The Lions have holes at every position. Thankfully, Mayhew/Schwartz understand this and came in knowing they wouldn't fix it all in one day. So they took BPA and nabbed three guys who should start for years to come. That is the best you can ask from anyone on draft day. The only list Detroit should be a part of tonight is "Who had the Best 1st Day?" Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football.

Despite having three Day 1 picks, including the #1 overall, the Lions weren't even close to being the Best of the Day. They did the least with the most. Nice players. But, they whiffed, given the opportunities at key position needs. They were not Millen bad, but they weren't that good, either.

 

[Jason Wood]

This "Jerry Angelo was going to take him at 49" chatter with Mitchell is a) unfounded, b) comes directly from MITCHELL's mouth and c) flies directly in the face of the fact that ESPN had been reporting all day [from a Chicago Tribune article] that Angelo was actively looking to shop the 49th pick and move down for more picks.

 

[Jason Wood]

I really don't think Detroit should be mentioned in this conversation. We can't know if Stafford was the right pick for a year or two, and if he is, they did great. If he isn't, they failed. Meanwhile they took the two best players at two significant need positions. I don't see them as whiffing at all. I think people underestimate how powerful Pettigrew is as a blocker. The fantasy player in all of us sees Pettigrew and knows he's not the most fluid receiver. But he's a devastating blocker and a great athlete; he should not only help Stafford stay upright, but he should make a major impact on the running game.

 

[Kirby]

Where am I. A worst draft thread and no mention of the Bengals.

Oakland... wow.

Miami... White over Stintim and Barwin.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Besides the obvious Den/Oak, I don't see how the Lions can enter the draft with the worst D I had ever seen, and a terrible O-Line and come away with only a safety from 3 of the top 33. They came into the draft with the worst off/def lines and did nothing to address them.

Bingo. As much as I like Pettigrew and Delmas - Not the right picks considering who was on the board.

 

[twistd]

I'd better make sure to keep my cell phone on me all day tomorrow. I wouldn't want to miss the call if the Raiders draft me.

Michael Mitchell's phone has to be ringing off the hook right now with prospective calls from agents that want to represent this new 2nd rounder.

Angelo(CHI) was going to take him at 49, and he his track record at finding talent in the secondary is pretty solid. Value wise it may have been an iffy pick, but I expect Mitchell to earn his paycheck and then some.

Just because Angelo said to stay close to your phone doesn't mean that the Bears would have taken him at #49. This kid wasn't even invited to the combine. so it wasn't only Mel Kiper who didn't see anything in him, it was everyone. Angelo is good with later round picks, but I don't believe that the Bears would have taken him in the second. I think they might have taken him in the fifth or sixth. But it doesn't matter now.

 

[gman74]

I really don't think Detroit should be mentioned in this conversation. We can't know if Stafford was the right pick for a year or two, and if he is, they did great. If he isn't, they failed. Meanwhile they took the two best players at two significant need positions. I don't see them as whiffing at all. I think people underestimate how powerful Pettigrew is as a blocker. The fantasy player in all of us sees Pettigrew and knows he's not the most fluid receiver. But he's a devastating blocker and a great athlete; he should not only help Stafford stay upright, but he should make a major impact on the running game.

Wood you can just stick to what the Eagles are doing and not comment on the Lions. What you said about Pettigrew is garbage. Let me see here Pettigrew can't catch to well but can block how about we take Oher then or ummmmmmmmmmmmm maybe a I don't know someone that can play defense.

 

[twistd]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

:( We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

Let us all know when you get hired as a personnel expert in the NFL. The Lions have holes at every position. Thankfully, Mayhew/Schwartz understand this and came in knowing they wouldn't fix it all in one day. So they took BPA and nabbed three guys who should start for years to come. That is the best you can ask from anyone on draft day. The only list Detroit should be a part of tonight is "Who had the Best 1st Day?" Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football.

I think the BPA gets misused a little. Taking the BPA is a good policy, but you have to recognize that generally there are a number of players at a particular spot that are graded in a similar fashion. In the case of Green Bay, they may have had Crabtree rated higher than Raji. But even if they had Crabtree rated higher it wasn't a need. I can buy the Lions taking Stafford, they do need a QB to build around, but I have to say I agree with everyone who says they whiffed by not addressing the lines. Unless you had all the DL prospects, and OL prospects rated significantly lower than the players they took, and maybe they did, their needs were on the lines. Even if they didn't like the DL players available, they should have considered getting Oher, Alex Mack, or Wood with their second first rounder, or perhaps Britton or Loadholt with their second rounder. They could have even used both picks for OL. The Patriots, or the Steelers, or the Titans can afford to take the BPA because they are solid teams from top to bottom. And it isn't good to reach for a player at a need spot, but I don't think the Lions had the luxury of selecting the BPA. That is unless they really didn't like those prospects, and have plans for line prospects on day two.

 

[Two Deep]

Toomers spot 1year ago. This is the NFL and you have to be able to get deep and get separation to run #1. He wont be able to do either his 1st year in the league with his lack of speed.

I'll pass that info along to Dwayne Bowe, Anquan Boldin, Terrell Owens and I think I'll give Jerry Rice a call too.

Hey I know you are excited about your teams pick but I just think you should temper it a little. Nicks = Jerry Rice :(

Oh no.To clarify I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice by any means. Can't even hope for that career and they are very different types of players.Just saying that lack of elite top end speed by no means disqualifies Hicks as a future #1 WR.Anyway, to show my tempered expectations, I'd be thrilled if he ends up having the career that Toomer has had with the Giants.

I said previously Toomer of last year because of his lack of speed that I didn't think Nicks could come in the 1st year of his career and be the #1. In time when he learns the nuance of route running in the NFL then maybe he can.

 

[NFL-ons]

Surprised Tampa has not been mentioned yet.

Moved to Florida from NE four years ago and have tried to become a Bucs fan. Even got season tix which I will not be renewing this year. Continueing to follow the Pats and starting to follow the Bucs, it is amazing the difference in ability in the FOs. Fine let Gruden go, but make Kiffin the head coach, he is the only reason the Bucs have won any games the past half decade (anyone else notice how the performance of the defense change when he announced he would not be there next year). Seeing the quality of FAs the Pats brought in this year compared to the overpriced, overaged jokes the Bucs bring in. Franchising the headcase Bryant and paying him all that $$$ for the year. Then signing Winslow to the richest TE contract ever and only guaranteeing his $$$ if he gets hurt, well that has become money that will definately be paid.

Then at the draft watching the Pats manuever from a worse position in the draft and get guys the Bucs should have. Guess they're still counting on Barber (LMAO). And to pick Freeman!!!

Finally to hear Freeman say that they only signed Leftwich as a smokescreen and could cut him and not pay him ANYTHING. Way to endear yourself to future veteran free agents.

No wonder there is no longer a waiting list to get season tix.

Well at least I still have the Pats, too bad I won't get to see many of their games.

 

[Tornacl]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

Let us all know when you get hired as a personnel expert in the NFL. The Lions have holes at every position. Thankfully, Mayhew/Schwartz understand this and came in knowing they wouldn't fix it all in one day. So they took BPA and nabbed three guys who should start for years to come. That is the best you can ask from anyone on draft day. The only list Detroit should be a part of tonight is "Who had the Best 1st Day?" Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football.

I think the BPA gets misused a little. Taking the BPA is a good policy, but you have to recognize that generally there are a number of players at a particular spot that are graded in a similar fashion. In the case of Green Bay, they may have had Crabtree rated higher than Raji. But even if they had Crabtree rated higher it wasn't a need. I can buy the Lions taking Stafford, they do need a QB to build around, but I have to say I agree with everyone who says they whiffed by not addressing the lines. Unless you had all the DL prospects, and OL prospects rated significantly lower than the players they took, and maybe they did, their needs were on the lines. Even if they didn't like the DL players available, they should have considered getting Oher, Alex Mack, or Wood with their second first rounder, or perhaps Britton or Loadholt with their second rounder. They could have even used both picks for OL. The Patriots, or the Steelers, or the Titans can afford to take the BPA because they are solid teams from top to bottom. And it isn't good to reach for a player at a need spot, but I don't think the Lions had the luxury of selecting the BPA. That is unless they really didn't like those prospects, and have plans for line prospects on day two.

To a large degree, a Lions' board should be weighted to reflect positions of need and the impact those positions will have. For example, on defense the front seven have a bigger impact, so those positions should be weighted higher than the back four. On offensive, QB and Oline were the two biggest needs, so they should have been weighted higher. When you have as many holes as the Lions, I don't see how you don't fill the biggest holes first. The Lions have always tried to use a BPA strategy, unfortunately, they've never been as good at it as other teams.Take last year's first round pick. Everything that I had read before the draft had Otah as being rated higher than Cherilus. The Lions took Cherilus, who couldn't even start consistently on an 0-16 team at RT. Otah was great for Carolina. I fully expect that Oher will do great for the Ravens and Mack will do great for Cleveland. If that's the case, the Lions whiffed on the Pettigrew pick if he's anything short of an All Pro, because the Lions' line was so bad. I just don't understand how you can give a guy the biggest rookie contract in history, and then not do everything you can to protect your investment.

 

[mex]

Pete Prisco has graded the first round, granted he's no shark pool expert but he gets paid to grade it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11667443

He absolutely hates KC's pick at 3.

I love his analysis on Crabtree and it's why the guy was predicted to drop lower, of course the Niners love a Diva

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

The Redskins. With Duke Robinson on the board they take a Cb that would of been there later

 

[Tornacl]

I really don't think Detroit should be mentioned in this conversation. We can't know if Stafford was the right pick for a year or two, and if he is, they did great. If he isn't, they failed. Meanwhile they took the two best players at two significant need positions. I don't see them as whiffing at all. I think people underestimate how powerful Pettigrew is as a blocker. The fantasy player in all of us sees Pettigrew and knows he's not the most fluid receiver. But he's a devastating blocker and a great athlete; he should not only help Stafford stay upright, but he should make a major impact on the running game.

I disagree. I don't like the Stafford pick because it costs too much money for someone that has too many question marks. I think that there will be a rookie salary structure next year, and if that's the case, they'll have been able to pick next year's top QB at a much lower rate. As far as the Stafford pick goes though, I understand it, and knew that it was going to happen. I don't understand picking a TE and a S before addressing the Oline, Dline, or LBs. Three years from now, Stafford will be riding the pine (after developing Post-traumatic Stress Disorder), they will still be drafting in the top 10, and they still won't have invested in their Oline and Dline. William Clay Ford will have a new coaching regime, but will keep the Martin/Mayhew combo in effect, and they will still wonder why they never get better.I truly feel sorry for anyone drafted by this inept organization.

 

[Tornacl]

The Lions have had the worst draft so far, 41 million guaranteed is a joke even for the #1 pick.

We're not grading the money they spend. It's the picks themselves. They took the top qb, te, and safety. They could have had better but imo this team doesn't come anywhere close to the worst.

It might not be the worst, but when you compile how bad they already were with how good they needed this draft to be, then they still come out the worst. I didn't like the Stafford pick, but I absolutely hated the next two picks!!!A TE? I don't care if he was the best TE in the class. They have the worst defense in the league (one of the worst in NFL history) and a terrible line. There were at least a dozen guys I would've rather seen them take (Oher, Mack, Mathews, Malaluga, Jerry, just to name a few). Then to follow that pick up with drafting a Safety (or at least he'll probably end up as one)? I thought that everyone except Matt Millen knows that you win by building from the inside out, and once again, the Lions didn't invest in either their offensive or defensive lines. This team will NEVER be good, because they don't have a clue. They never have a good Oline, and because of that, they never have a good QB. Stafford will be playing as a third-string QB for another team in five years (or at least when this contract expires).

Let us all know when you get hired as a personnel expert in the NFL. The Lions have holes at every position. Thankfully, Mayhew/Schwartz understand this and came in knowing they wouldn't fix it all in one day. So they took BPA and nabbed three guys who should start for years to come. That is the best you can ask from anyone on draft day. The only list Detroit should be a part of tonight is "Who had the Best 1st Day?" Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football.

Whatever, genius. None of us will ever be hired as NFL personnel experts. The "Best first day?" You've got to be kidding me! ANYONE they drafted yesterday SHOULD be a starter for years to come as bad as that team is. Unfortunately, it appears that this new regime, just like the old one, doesn't seem to understand that some positions are more valuable than others. Good teams or even decent teams have the luxury of taking BPA, but the Lions don't qualify under either of those categories.I understand they were under a lot of pressure to pick Stafford. I don't like the pick, but I'll give them that one. But the next two picks were wasted as far as I'm concerned. The front seven are more valuable on defense than a Safety, and drafting a TE before a guy like Oher or Mack was a bad move, IMO. I doubt that Oher will be All Pro, but I'm betting that Mack will be. Pettigrew was the best combination pass catcher/blocker at TE, but with how bad the Lions' line is every year, you might as well just pick the best blocking TE, because he's going to have to stay in 98% of the time.Three years from now, they'll still be drafting in the top 10, and yesterday's picks will be a major reason why.

 

[mex]

I really don't think Detroit should be mentioned in this conversation. We can't know if Stafford was the right pick for a year or two, and if he is, they did great. If he isn't, they failed. Meanwhile they took the two best players at two significant need positions. I don't see them as whiffing at all. I think people underestimate how powerful Pettigrew is as a blocker. The fantasy player in all of us sees Pettigrew and knows he's not the most fluid receiver. But he's a devastating blocker and a great athlete; he should not only help Stafford stay upright, but he should make a major impact on the running game.

I disagree. I don't like the Stafford pick because it costs too much money for someone that has too many question marks. I think that there will be a rookie salary structure next year, and if that's the case, they'll have been able to pick next year's top QB at a much lower rate. As far as the Stafford pick goes though, I understand it, and knew that it was going to happen. I don't understand picking a TE and a S before addressing the Oline, Dline, or LBs. Three years from now, Stafford will be riding the pine (after developing Post-traumatic Stress Disorder), they will still be drafting in the top 10, and they still won't have invested in their Oline and Dline. William Clay Ford will have a new coaching regime, but will keep the Martin/Mayhew combo in effect, and they will still wonder why they never get better.I truly feel sorry for anyone drafted by this inept organization.

The real problem is the amount of guaranteed money they put into him, if he doesn't perform this year and they are back drafting in the Top 3 then they have to tie up more guaranteed money next year. When you put this much money into just a few players then your whole team suffers. Look at the last few Raider drafts, they just keep getting worse and worse and they have a lot of money tied up in these players leaving them crap for the real free agents.

 

[Zigg]

Besides the obvious Den/Oak, I don't see how the Lions can enter the draft with the worst D I had ever seen, and a terrible O-Line and come away with only a safety from 3 of the top 33. They came into the draft with the worst off/def lines and did nothing to address them.

Two picks into the 3rd and the Lions add a OLB and a WR. Sadly for Lions fans, I think it's becoming obvious that their new head coach had absolutely no say in player selection. Millen's apprentice is drafting like Millen, not a good thing of things to come.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Everyone in Tampa is hating the Freeman pick. Since we didn't have a #2, he pretty much is the draft. We just got a run stopping DT, that should fit well in Bates system.

 

[Tornacl]

Besides the obvious Den/Oak, I don't see how the Lions can enter the draft with the worst D I had ever seen, and a terrible O-Line and come away with only a safety from 3 of the top 33. They came into the draft with the worst off/def lines and did nothing to address them.

Two picks into the 3rd and the Lions add a OLB and a WR. Sadly for Lions fans, I think it's becoming obvious that their new head coach had absolutely no say in player selection. Millen's apprentice is drafting like Millen, not a good thing of things to come.

Unbelievable. They deserve to be 0-16 again this year!

 

[Texasmouth]

1. Oakland without question. Crabtree is a much better choice....that being said...they could have used some line help instead of another flashy toy.

2. Denver- no clue what these guys are doing. I will bet money they finish LAST in that division next season and McDaniels will be gone in two years. This is the worst off season I have ever witnessed. How do you come in to the 2nd ranked offense and throw a grenade in the room? Trading Cutler away and ending up throwing those picks away? Horrible. Taking a RB, even though he was the best in the draft, when you have 7 RB already on the roster is just dumb, especially when you have so many holes on defense.

3. Tampa Bay- wow. Horrible pick and they traded up to make a horrible pick. They have guys on the team already at that position. This guy isnt one of those "special" guys that you can pass up. Half of their defense is gone and they are picking ANOTHER QB? Just plain awful.

4. Detroit- Not really sure why Detroit overlooked building up the lines, especially with this coach. I think taking Stafford #1 was the wrong choice. Maybe he will be great, maybe he won't but when you are this bad for this long, you need to take a look in the trenches. Maybe Miami could have been a good blue print. Should have taken the big tackle from Baylor to provide some protection for Culpepper and Kevin Smith. Next year's QB crop is much better and Stafford wouldn't even be a first rounder next year....a lot like Alex Smith. Just my opinion.

* Bengals are normally on this list and I think they are top three for best draft.

 

[QUEZILLA]

3. Tampa Bay- wow. Horrible pick and they traded up to make a horrible pick. They have guys on the team already at that position. This guy isnt one of those "special" guys that you can pass up. Half of their defense is gone and they are picking ANOTHER QB? Just plain awful.

I agree with everything, but the fact that we "already have guys at the position." Griese, Leftwich, McCown, and Josh Johnson are far from elite talent. Could we do ok with them? Maybe, but if they felt that strong about Freeman being an elite talent, then it is justifiable. We addressed the DT position in round 3, so LB and CB are all we need now.I just hate the fact that you don't fill an immediate need when you draft a QB.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

second place is a dogfight though. Denver certainly deserves mention...no idea what they are doing. But i think Cleveland may end up the winner here. They took a guy who was in a freefall for reasons no one really knows, but it was obviously something significant - after having used #5 on a guy with serious character concerns. This draft has Aaron Gibson + LaVar Arrington all over it.

you mean Cinci?

 

[Texasmouth]

3. Tampa Bay- wow. Horrible pick and they traded up to make a horrible pick. They have guys on the team already at that position. This guy isnt one of those "special" guys that you can pass up. Half of their defense is gone and they are picking ANOTHER QB? Just plain awful.

I agree with everything, but the fact that we "already have guys at the position." Griese, Leftwich, McCown, and Josh Johnson are far from elite talent. Could we do ok with them? Maybe, but if they felt that strong about Freeman being an elite talent, then it is justifiable. We addressed the DT position in round 3, so LB and CB are all we need now.I just hate the fact that you don't fill an immediate need when you draft a QB.

I saw a lot of this guy when he was in College. Not a huge fan. I think he would have been a great late 2nd, early 3rd round guy but this was way too high for him. Imagine if he was in next years draft? Stafford and Freeman would be 2nd round picks at best in my opinion. I just dont like the pick and really dont think they needed to trade up to get him. I also thought they were really high on Josh Johnson? Leftwich didnt even get a chance to be the franchise guy either.

 

[pollardsvision]

I think passing on Oher alone would have to put the Lions on this list.

A team noted for gettting QBs clobbered just made a $40 mill. investment in Stafford and they don't take the OT? Not only that, but Oher strikes me as exactly the kind of guy Detroit needs and the fans would love. If I'm a QB, I want that guy watching my back. I'd certainly want him as a teammate.

The Jags got a couple of nice looking OTs, but I still found myself jealous that Oher will be playing for another team.

To me, Detroit passing on Oher is like buying a Ferrari and not getting collision or comprehensive insurance. I think MI is a no-fault state, so DET may've just made a grave error.

 

[QUEZILLA]

3. Tampa Bay- wow. Horrible pick and they traded up to make a horrible pick. They have guys on the team already at that position. This guy isnt one of those "special" guys that you can pass up. Half of their defense is gone and they are picking ANOTHER QB? Just plain awful.

I agree with everything, but the fact that we "already have guys at the position." Griese, Leftwich, McCown, and Josh Johnson are far from elite talent. Could we do ok with them? Maybe, but if they felt that strong about Freeman being an elite talent, then it is justifiable. We addressed the DT position in round 3, so LB and CB are all we need now.I just hate the fact that you don't fill an immediate need when you draft a QB.

I saw a lot of this guy when he was in College. Not a huge fan. I think he would have been a great late 2nd, early 3rd round guy but this was way too high for him. Imagine if he was in next years draft? Stafford and Freeman would be 2nd round picks at best in my opinion. I just dont like the pick and really dont think they needed to trade up to get him. I also thought they were really high on Josh Johnson? Leftwich didnt even get a chance to be the franchise guy either.

Smoke I guess...

 

[packersfan]

2. Denver- no clue what these guys are doing. I will bet money they finish LAST in that division next season and McDaniels will be gone in two years. This is the worst off season I have ever witnessed. How do you come in to the 2nd ranked offense and throw a grenade in the room? Trading Cutler away and ending up throwing those picks away? Horrible. Taking a RB, even though he was the best in the draft, when you have 7 RB already on the roster is just dumb, especially when you have so many holes on defense.

The bolded part is the best description of the Broncos' offseason thus far I've seen. I agree with taking a RB in the first when you spent free agency signing RBs left and right and your defense is putrid. The only reason I wouldn't pick them to finish last is they have the good fortune of being in the same division as the Raiders. But Denver's offseason has been nothing short of mystifying in my opinion.

 

[Tornacl]

I think passing on Oher alone would have to put the Lions on this list. A team noted for gettting QBs clobbered just made a $40 mill. investment in Stafford and they don't take the OT? Not only that, but Oher strikes me as exactly the kind of guy Detroit needs and the fans would love. If I'm a QB, I want that guy watching my back. I'd certainly want him as a teammate. The Jags got a couple of nice looking OTs, but I still found myself jealous that Oher will be playing for another team. To me, Detroit passing on Oher is like buying a Ferrari and not getting collision or comprehensive insurance. I think MI is a no-fault state, so DET may've just made a grave error.

Amen, brother!

 

[T Bell]

The Redskins. With Duke Robinson on the board they take a Cb that would of been there later

I didn't like that pick either, but you can't even begin to mention a team that stole Orakpo at 1.13 on this list with what Oakland and Denver are doing.

 

[T Bell]

Pete Prisco has graded the first round, granted he's no shark pool expert but he gets paid to grade it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11667443

He absolutely hates KC's pick at 3.

I love his analysis on Crabtree and it's why the guy was predicted to drop lower, of course the Niners love a Diva

He gave the Raiders a B+ for drafting Heyward-Bey at 1.07.

 

[cobalt_27]

Sleeper in the worst draft discussion is Dallas. Awful, awful draft.

 

[Warpig]

The AFC West is gonna be atrocious this year. San Diego can sleep walk through that division.

Nice reach by Pioli taking "just a big body" at that #3 spot. I guess he bought into the hype on the radio. They should have taken Curry, Crabtree, or even Raji would have been a better pick there.

I couldn't help but laugh out loud when Oakland took DHB. "Can't coach speed".

And as far as Denver goes...I thought Shanahan left. It appears that McDaniels graduated from RBU (Running Back University) as well. Then they draft a 4-3 DE to be their 3-4 OLB? LOL.

I wonder how long it's gonna take before people realize that Belicheck ran that Patriots organization...not Pioli.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Pete Prisco has graded the first round, granted he's no shark pool expert but he gets paid to grade it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11667443

He absolutely hates KC's pick at 3.

I love his analysis on Crabtree and it's why the guy was predicted to drop lower, of course the Niners love a Diva

He gave the Raiders a B+ for drafting Heyward-Bey at 1.07.

Higher grade than he gave the Niners for Crabtree. He gave the Packers a C- for Matthews because they took him too high. Way to stay consistent.

 

[gump]

Imagine if he was in next years draft? Stafford and Freeman would be 2nd round picks at best in my opinion.

I keep seeing mention of how good next years QB crop will be...but who are they, other than Bradford? Is Snead projected to be a first? Surely McCoy and Tebow are not.

 

[trader jake]

Pete Prisco has graded the first round, granted he's no shark pool expert but he gets paid to grade it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11667443

He absolutely hates KC's pick at 3.

I love his analysis on Crabtree and it's why the guy was predicted to drop lower, of course the Niners love a Diva

I love draft grades where the decision is: A, B+ or B- with a sprinkling of other grades. It also doesn't make any sense to grade a draft as it is ongoing but that's a different issue.

 

[shredhead]

Pete Prisco has graded the first round, granted he's no shark pool expert but he gets paid to grade it:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11667443

He absolutely hates KC's pick at 3.

I love his analysis on Crabtree and it's why the guy was predicted to drop lower, of course the Niners love a Diva

He gave the Raiders a B+ for drafting Heyward-Bey at 1.07.

Higher grade than he gave the Niners for Crabtree. He gave the Packers a C- for Matthews because they took him too high. Way to stay consistent.

My favorite is that he gave the Rams a B- for taking Jason Smith at 2 saying that he would have drafted Monroe instead. Then he only gives Jacksonville a B when they take Monrow at 8. For a guy Pete would have taken at 2, I think the Jags should have gotten an A for taking the best O-lineman left on the board especially given the O-line troubles they had last year. I'm sure the grade was because they passed on Crabtree, but the Jags filled a major need and I like the pick

 

[T Bell]

The Redskins are making a strong second day push in this competition.

 

[datonn]

1. For me, I think it's the Oakland Raiders by a wide margin. They draft a guy they likely could have had numerous picks later at 1.07 (ahead of Crabtree and Maclin, who both seem to have MUCH higher floors and comparable to MUCH-higher ceilings), then they go ahead and draft a strong safety in Mike Mitchell who might STILL be available in the draft (now at pick #198) if the Raiders hadn't taken him at #47 overall.

2. Detroit Lions. I've never been a big Stafford fan, and although I like Pettigrew, they had much better options available to them (IMHO) at #20 OA. Just seems like they could/should have gotten better value for those two picks than they did...though as a Vikings fan I'm perfectly happy having Detroit suck tail-pipe for a few more seasons if they insist.

3. Kansas City Chiefs. How on EARTH do you draft DE Tyson Jackson at 1.03? You just CAN'T do that. Even if you love him, you've gotta accept a few used jock straps and a couple pictures of Bea Arthur and move back into the 1.09-1.12 range to get him. If for no other reason than what you'll have to pay him on his rookie contract. How they couldn't select Aaron Curry though just makes this pick look so, SO much worse. If they weren't going to lock-up the best player in the 2009 draft at 1.03 which was gift-wrapped to them in Curry, then at LEAST pair Crabtree to Bowe (for Cassel) or get some more depth on that O-Line.

Not sure about the Vikings pick of Percy Harvin yet at #22...as that seems like he'll either help get them 1-2 extra prime time games in a couple years or go the way of Desmond Howard, Mike Williams, or a ba-zillion other WR busts. Them drafting OT Phil Loadholt in the second though was an excellent, excellent pick..and I also liked their Allen and Brinkley picks too, so that keeps them from within smelling-distance of Oakland.

I love B.J. Raji to the Packers, but I'm not really sure what Ted Thompson is thinking after that. Of course, TT seems to snatch failure out of the jaws of success when it comes to the draft a lot of the time...which is also A-OK by me. :horns:

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