Who is gonna bust? (1 Viewer)

[daveR]

So... Are Hunter & Carter that solid, or did people stop voting once they saw Helu? (You could vote for multiple choices.)

 

[Breesisdaman]

You guys being all vocal about Ingram busting are losing this poll and you will lose when your forcast FAILS too. LOL

 

[daveR]

You guys being all vocal about Ingram busting are losing this poll and you will lose when your forcast FAILS too. LOL

Over a thousand votes cast, 18 for Ingram. Who is being "all vocal about Ingram busting"?

 

[cr8f]

Vereen if drafted in the 1st is overvalued (Helu is too) so I will say Vereen.

You guys being all vocal about Ingram busting are losing this poll and you will lose when your forcast FAILS too. LOL

Over a thousand votes cast, 18 for Ingram. Who is being "all vocal about Ingram busting"?

Not the voters-I think he means the ones commenting here.

 

[FTRWRTR]

So... Are Hunter & Carter that solid, or did people stop voting once they saw Helu? (You could vote for multiple choices.)

Hunter, definitely. There seems to be mixed opinions about carter's upside but the vast majority of ppl don't think he'll just bust.

 

[daveR]

Sooooo... The Shark Pool thinks Johnny White and Dion Lewis are likely to have better NFL careers than Daniel Thomas.

hm-m-m-m-m

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Leshoure is the only one who has the potential to be elite.

Mark Ingram will bust. His speed score of 98 should be a major red flag. Mark Ingram's NFL performance will be between Cedric Benson and Hightower.

Ray Rice's speed score was 99.7. Any invented stat to predict success or failure is pointless to cite without accompanying film study to back up your larger assertion - which I guess in this case is that Ingram's size/speed ratio isn't good enough to make it in the NFL? He dominated the SEC, the most athletic conference in college football. I think he'll be fine in terms of size/speed ratio to hang in the NFL.

Really??? In 2010 he looked hardly dominate in the SEC. Lets take out the Arkansas and Tennessee games because they were soft rush defenses as evidenced by Trent Richardson outrushing Ingram by over 3 yards per carry in each contest.

Add up the games for the rest of his SEC season: Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss, LSU, Miss St. and Auburn.....you will see 87 carries for 334 yards that equates 3.83 YPC.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Leshoure is the only one who has the potential to be elite.

Mark Ingram will bust. His speed score of 98 should be a major red flag. Mark Ingram's NFL performance will be between Cedric Benson and Hightower.

Ray Rice's speed score was 99.7. Any invented stat to predict success or failure is pointless to cite without accompanying film study to back up your larger assertion - which I guess in this case is that Ingram's size/speed ratio isn't good enough to make it in the NFL? He dominated the SEC, the most athletic conference in college football. I think he'll be fine in terms of size/speed ratio to hang in the NFL.

Really??? In 2010 he looked hardly dominate in the SEC. Lets take out the Arkansas and Tennessee games because they were soft rush defenses as evidenced by Trent Richardson outrushing Ingram by over 3 yards per carry in each contest.

Add up the games for the rest of his SEC season: Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss, LSU, Miss St. and Auburn.....you will see 87 carries for 334 yards that equates 3.83 YPC.

So we throw out 2009? Also, if I'm not mistaken Ingram was slightly nicked up in 2010.

 

[comfortably numb]

Sooooo... The Shark Pool thinks Johnny White and Dion Lewis are likely to have better NFL careers than Daniel Thomas.hm-m-m-m-m

No, your pole is just not very.....goodThere are a hand full of RB's in this class that people are drafting EXPECTING some decent results this year, and better results next year.Those are the bust candidates.Not Johnny White or Dion Lewis who was taken in the later rounds of all 3 of my 16 team leagues.Those are not bust material, they are flier material.

 

[Clifford]

Leshoure is the only one who has the potential to be elite. Mark Ingram will bust. His speed score of 98 should be a major red flag. Mark Ingram's NFL performance will be between Cedric Benson and Hightower.

Have you ever seen this guy play? Or just basing this on some combine metric. He's not the fastest back by any stretch but he looks like a natural pro to me.

 

[Clifford]

Leshoure is the only one who has the potential to be elite.

Mark Ingram will bust. His speed score of 98 should be a major red flag. Mark Ingram's NFL performance will be between Cedric Benson and Hightower.

Ray Rice's speed score was 99.7. Any invented stat to predict success or failure is pointless to cite without accompanying film study to back up your larger assertion - which I guess in this case is that Ingram's size/speed ratio isn't good enough to make it in the NFL? He dominated the SEC, the most athletic conference in college football. I think he'll be fine in terms of size/speed ratio to hang in the NFL.

Really??? In 2010 he looked hardly dominate in the SEC. Lets take out the Arkansas and Tennessee games because they were soft rush defenses as evidenced by Trent Richardson outrushing Ingram by over 3 yards per carry in each contest.

Add up the games for the rest of his SEC season: Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss, LSU, Miss St. and Auburn.....you will see 87 carries for 334 yards that equates 3.83 YPC.

So we throw out 2009? Also, if I'm not mistaken Ingram was slightly nicked up in 2010.

Can we also throw out the two best games of every other rb in his class? Also SC and Tennessee are great defenses comPared with most other teams.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Ray Rice's speed score was 99.7. Any invented stat to predict success or failure is pointless to cite without accompanying film study to back up your larger assertion - which I guess in this case is that Ingram's size/speed ratio isn't good enough to make it in the NFL? He dominated the SEC, the most athletic conference in college football. I think he'll be fine in terms of size/speed ratio to hang in the NFL.

Really??? In 2010 he looked hardly dominate in the SEC. Lets take out the Arkansas and Tennessee games because they were soft rush defenses as evidenced by Trent Richardson outrushing Ingram by over 3 yards per carry in each contest.

Add up the games for the rest of his SEC season: Florida, South Carolina, Ole Miss, LSU, Miss St. and Auburn.....you will see 87 carries for 334 yards that equates 3.83 YPC.

So we throw out 2009? Also, if I'm not mistaken Ingram was slightly nicked up in 2010.

Can we also throw out the two best games of every other rb in his class? Also SC and Tennessee are great defenses comPared with most other teams.

We can't agree that 3.83 YPC in 6 SEC games isn't dominant?We can't agree that if Trent Richardson runs for over 3 YPC more than Mark Ingram in 2 contests that maybe those two opponents don't have good rush D's?

I picked out anyone over 50 yards rushing and over a 4 YPC

Arkansas:

Georgia- Washaun Ealey rushed for 87 yards on 4.8 average

Texas A&M- Christine Michael rushed for 79 yards on a 4.4 average

Auburn- I will take out Cam Newtons 188 yards. Mario Fannin 60 yards on 4.3 average, Michael Dyer 53 yards on 8.8 average

Ole Miss - Masoli 98 yards, Jeff Scott 62 yards on 5.6 yard average

Vandy- Warren Norman 64 yards on 5.8 average

Utep - Leilyon Myers 71 yards on 11.8 average

Miss St- Ballard 150 yards on 4.5 average

LSU - Steven Ridley 75 yards on 4.4 average

Tennessee:

Oregon- L. James 134 yards on 8.4 average

LSU - Steven Ridley 123 yards on 5.6 average, Jordan Jefferson 100 yards

Georgia - Caleb King 58 yards on 4.5 average

SC - Marcus Lattimore 184 yards on 6.3 average

Memphis - Greg Ray 60 yards on 4.3 average

Ole Miss - Brandon Bolden 113 yards on 9.3 average

Kentucky - Derrick Locke 97 yards on 4.0 average

UNC- Shaun Draughn 160 yards on 7.0 average

Like I said, poor rush D's.

What did Ingram and Richardson do vs both of these teams?

vs Tennessee:

-Ingram 88 yards on 6.3 average

-Richardson 119 yards on 9.9 average

vs Arkansas

-Ingram 157 yards on 6.5 average

-Richardson 85 yards on 10.6 average

Add those games in Ingram had 125 carries for 579 yards for a 4.6 average....hardly dominating.

 

[Raider Nation]

The 14 people who think Ingram is going to bust are out of their minds

You guys being all vocal about Ingram busting are losing this poll and you will lose when your forcast FAILS too. LOL

It's a little premature after 5 weeks to call him a bust, but you can be sure his owners are not thrilled right now.

 

[Raider Nation]

FTR, Ryan Williams has twice the talent of Demarco Murray...twice.

Did Williams have injury issues at VT?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

The 14 people who think Ingram is going to bust are out of their minds

You guys being all vocal about Ingram busting are losing this poll and you will lose when your forcast FAILS too. LOL

It's a little premature after 5 weeks to call him a bust, but you can be sure his owners are not thrilled right now.

I can't speak for all owners, but this is pretty much in line with what I expected from Ingram at this point. I anticipate him gaining a bigger role around week 10 or later and then being highly regarded going into next year. I have absolutely no doubt that he has the talent to be a top 10 RB in this league for a long time.

 

[daveR]

Bump for retrospection.