Who is more a more talented WR... S. Holmes or M. Austin (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So in a debate with fellow guys from my league I was laughed at when I said Santonio Holmes' talent as just as good as Miles Austin as far as NFL talent. Let us break it down a little more as to give a fair analysis for both players.

I am sure many without looking would say Austin but I think that would be due to his beak out performance and coming out of no where to become a very good NFL wr.

Break down

Austin: 25 years age, will be 26 on June 30th

-kick started his career and season with a 10 catch 250 yard 2 td performance agains KC and 2 tds, in week 4 and went on to post a season that was ridiculously good with 81 catches for 1320 yards (16.3 ypc) and 11 td's.

-A late blooming WR who came from a small school and ran a 4.41 at the combine was a project wr when drafted into the league.

-He has developed a great chemistry with Romo in his 4th year in the league and seems to have finally found his niche in the nfl.

-Austin was an undrafted free agent who had a fairly productive college career year at Monmouth university catching 150 passes for 2,867 yards and 33 td's

S.Holmes: 26 years of age, March 3rd, 1984 (only 4 months older than Austin)

-had a very good rookie year with 49 catches for 824 yards and 2td's

-he followed up his rookie year with a 52 catch 942 yards and 8 td performance in his sophmore year, everyone was expecting a huge 3rd year but were left with a 55 catch 821 yard 5td performance in year 3

-it was not till he was the SB mvp in that 3rd year did people take notice of Holmes (9 catches, 131 yards and the game winning td in the last seconds of the game)

-this year in year 4 Holmes' had his true breakout season catching 79 passes for 1248 yards and 5td's in a very good year

-He had a very productive college career at Ohio state with 245 catches for 2,295 yards and 25 TD's

Everyone is laughing at me when I say Holmes is talent is every bit as good as Austin's. Now in fantasy obviously Austin is way ahead being in his situation with Dallas and coming off of a huge year, but in terms of NFL talent and ability Holmes and Austin are closer than my league mates are sayin.

I expect Austin to win this poll, but only due to Austin coming out of no where to shock the fantasy world and everyone souring on Holmes and his suspension and basically being given up for peanuts by the Steelers.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

talent wise? I think its holmes.

FF production is a different story, and Id take Miles

 

[LTF]

So in a debate with fellow guys from my league I was laughed at when I said Santonio Holmes' talent as just as good as Miles Austin as far as NFL talent. Let us break it down a little more as to give a fair analysis for both players.

I am sure many without looking would say Austin but I think that would be due to his beak out performance and coming out of no where to become a very good NFL wr.

Break down

Austin: 25 years age, will be 26 on June 30th

-kick started his career and season with a 10 catch 250 yard 2 td performance agains KC in 2 week 4 and went on to post a season that was ridiculously good with 81 catches for 1320 yards (16.3 ypc) and 11 td's.

-A late blooming WR who came from a small school and ran a 4.41 at the combine was a project wr when drafted into the league.

-He has developed a great chemistry with Romo in his 4th year in the league and seems to have finally found his niche in the nfl.

-Austin was an undrafted free agent who had a fairly productive college career year at Monmouth university

Holmes: 26 years of age, March 3rd, 1984 (only 4 months older than Austin)

-had a very good rookie year with 49 catches for 824 yards and 2td's

-he followed up his rookie year with a 52 catch 942 yards and 8 td performance in his sophmore year, everyone was expecting a huge 3rd year but were left with a 55 catch 821 yard 5td performance in year 3

-it was not till he was the SB mvp in that 3rd year did people take notice of Holmes (9 catches, 131 yards and the game winning td in the last seconds of the game)

-this year in year 4 Holmes' had his true breakout season catching 79 passes for 1248 yards and 5td's in a very good year

-He had a very productive college career at Ohio state with 245 catches for 2,295 yards and 25 TD's

Everyone is laughing at me when I say Holmes is talent is every bit as good as Austin's. Now in fantasy obviously Austin is way ahead being in his situation with Dallas and coming off of a huge year, but in terms of NFL talent and ability Holmes and Austin are closer than my league mates are sayin.

I expect Austin to win this poll, but only due to Austin coming out of no where to shock the fantasy world and everyone souring on Holmes and his suspension and basically being given up for peanuts by the Steelers.

Not crazy at all. I love Austin's potential, but get back at me when he does the things Holmes did for the Steelers all throughout their playoff run in '08, not to mention catch 9 balls for 131 yards and a game winning TD with under a minute left to win the SB. I don't think Holmes will have nearly the same stats that he did last year in the Jets offense, but he's still a terrific route runner with great hands and one of the best wide outs in the league in terms of YAC and making things happen in the open field.

 

[39407]

talent wise? I think its holmes. FF production is a different story, and Id take Miles

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test".

Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Forgot to add that Holmes ran a 4.35 forty time and also NFL career so far:

-Austin 99 catches, 1674 yards, 14 tds in his 4 year career

-Holmes 235 catches, 3835 yards, 20 tds in his 4 year career

I know Austin was a late bloomer, but I don't think that should be a hit against Holmes' talent level and what he did as a young WR in the league.

 

[gianmarco]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

 

[Mainevent]

Break down

Austin: 25 years age, will be 26 on June 30th

-Austin was an undrafted free agent who had a fairly productive college career year at Monmouth university catching 150 passes for 2,867 yards and 33 td's

S.Holmes: 26 years of age, March 3rd, 1984 (only 4 months older than Austin)

-He had a very productive college career at Ohio state with 245 catches for 2,295 yards and 25 TD's

Very unbiased way to lay things out... more yards and more TDs makes you fairly productive...

but if you reduce those numbers you become very productive?

 

[Faust]

Wow...very surprised at how even this poll is so far:

Holmes [ 8 ] [38.10%]

Austin [ 8 ] [38.10%]

Very Close but edge goes to Austin [ 1 ] [4.76%]

Very close but edge goes to Holmes [ 2 ] [9.52%]

Same talent at this time [ 2 ] [9.52%]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Wow...very surprised at how even this poll is so far:Holmes [ 8 ] [38.10%] Austin [ 8 ] [38.10%] Very Close but edge goes to Austin [ 1 ] [4.76%] Very close but edge goes to Holmes [ 2 ] [9.52%] Same talent at this time [ 2 ] [9.52%]

Should be a matter of time before Austin runs away with it. Either that, or FBG does not have many people who actually watch football games.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

We aren't talking about stats, so why quote stats?I am talking about when I watch Miles Austin play and make plays versus Holmes. Austin looks a lot more dominant out there on the field. He is much more noticeable, and seems to dominate a game much more than Holmes. Austin at times looks like a man playing versus boys out there. I don't get that feeling at all about Holmes.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wow...very surprised at how even this poll is so far:Holmes [ 8 ] [38.10%] Austin [ 8 ] [38.10%] Very Close but edge goes to Austin [ 1 ] [4.76%] Very close but edge goes to Holmes [ 2 ] [9.52%] Same talent at this time [ 2 ] [9.52%]

Should be a matter of time before Austin runs away with it. Either that, or FBG does not have many people who actually watch football games.

this never gets old

 

[JohnnyU]

Unfortunately those who own Holmes will vote for Holmes and those who own Austin will vote for Austin.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

We aren't talking about stats, so why quote stats?I am talking about when I watch Miles Austin play and make plays versus Holmes. Austin looks a lot more dominant out there on the field. He is much more noticeable, and seems to dominate a game much more than Holmes. Austin at times looks like a man playing versus boys out there. I don't get that feeling at all about Holmes.

9 catches for 131 yards and the game winning TD in the biggest game of the year does not give you that feeling?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Unfortunately those who own Holmes will vote for Holmes and those who own Austin will vote for Austin.

I disagree here..... I voted same.Also the guys in my league who are voting here don't own either. So although there will be some who vote one way or the other only because of who they own should be countered with enough neutral votes.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

We aren't talking about stats, so why quote stats?I am talking about when I watch Miles Austin play and make plays versus Holmes. Austin looks a lot more dominant out there on the field. He is much more noticeable, and seems to dominate a game much more than Holmes. Austin at times looks like a man playing versus boys out there. I don't get that feeling at all about Holmes.

9 catches for 131 yards and the game winning TD in the biggest game of the year does not give you that feeling?

Yes, cause one game signifies a player's current skill set. Deion Branch is also dominant as well cause he has caught the most balls in a Super Bowl and was the MVP.

 

[Turbanators]

Austin had a year last year where he looked dominant on a level that I don't feel Holmes is capable of reaching.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

We aren't talking about stats, so why quote stats?I am talking about when I watch Miles Austin play and make plays versus Holmes. Austin looks a lot more dominant out there on the field. He is much more noticeable, and seems to dominate a game much more than Holmes. Austin at times looks like a man playing versus boys out there. I don't get that feeling at all about Holmes.

9 catches for 131 yards and the game winning TD in the biggest game of the year does not give you that feeling?

Yes, cause one game signifies a player's current skill set. Deion Branch is also dominant as well cause he has caught the most balls in a Super Bowl and was the MVP.

I like both guys, but as far as the "eye test" goes, they are doing different things, so it's hard to compare. But I will say that I'm not sure Austin makes that superbowl catch when it had to be made. I'm not sure too many people on the planet make that catch. And there were a lot of other big plays leading up to the Superbowl too. Holmes is a VERY talented guy.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Sure one game does not make a player that is for sure. Friday Frenzy, you simply said "at times" Austin looks like a man against boys. I specifically gave you a time Holmes did as well.

Also, Holmes was heavily recruited in college, played well and was drafted into the NFL where he was been good ever since.

Austin needs to show me more than 1 good year of man against boys arugement and eye ball test stuff that everyone is claiming. He did have a very good year, but of his 5 100 yard plus games last year they came against the chiefs, Falcons, Saints, Raiders (Nammdi was not on him all game), and Giants.

All of those secondaries were meh to say the least. This is not to take away anything from Austin, but before we annoint him as an elite talent and better than Holmes, let him put together some solid seasons here first.

 

[gianmarco]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test". Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

He runs more routes. He's more aggressive in getting the ball. He's tougher to bring down in the open field with better RAC (even though Holmes excels here as well, but mostly bc of speed). He's a better RZ target. And yes, Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards. Except he also had 4 extra games as a starter. Austin didn't break out until week 5. Overall, I don't see any weaknesses in his game and he excels in various areas.As pointed out above, he's more capable of dominating a game.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I love Austin's potential, but get back at me when he does the things Holmes did for the Steelers all throughout their playoff run in '08, not to mention catch 9 balls for 131 yards and a game winning TD with under a minute left to win the SB.

What does any of that have to do with talent? Deion Branch had an awesome super bowl as well, where would you rate his talent level?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Sure one game does not make a player that is for sure. Friday Frenzy, you simply said "at times" Austin looks like a man against boys. I specifically gave you a time Holmes did as well.Also, Holmes was heavily recruited in college, played well and was drafted into the NFL where he was been good ever since.Austin needs to show me more than 1 good year of man against boys arugement and eye ball test stuff that everyone is claiming. He did have a very good year, but of his 5 100 yard plus games last year they came against the chiefs, Falcons, Saints, Raiders (Nammdi was not on him all game), and Giants. All of those secondaries were meh to say the least. This is not to take away anything from Austin, but before we annoint him as an elite talent and better than Holmes, let him put together some solid seasons here first.

We are talking about NFL talent at this point in time.Talent has nothing to do with who has had better cumulative stats, their college stats, who has more Super Bowl rings, or who was heavily recruited and who was a UDFA. That is all irrelevant to the discussion. That has ZERO to do with judging their current talent at this particular point in time.

 

[Nagle2998]

I own Holmes in one league and don't own Austin in any league but I still voted Austin by a small margin. I would find it very weird if any Holmes owner wouldn't trade him for Austin right now but lets see where Holmes goes next year.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Not enough votes in the "very close" categories

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I own Holmes in one league and don't own Austin in any league but I still voted Austin by a small margin. I would find it very weird if any Holmes owner wouldn't trade him for Austin right now but lets see where Holmes goes next year.

time travel back to this date in 2009. The trading comment you made would of been reversed and this current "talent" issue wouldnt even be brought up.To me Holmes is more talented. Miles is in a better FF situation to produce right now. Come next year if holmes is a Patroit or something then we will see.

 

[CaptainHook]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

 

[fridayfrenzy]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.holmes has slightly better straightline speed.austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.why is anyone picking holmes ????

 

[menobrown]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.holmes has slightly better straightline speed.austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. . 2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

 

[Catbird]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.holmes has slightly better straightline speed.austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.why is anyone picking holmes ????

This. Owned both on the same team last year. After Austin's breakout, it wasn't even close IMO on production or their roles in games. Austin is a more dominant presence and requires more defensive focus - even with the better playmakers around him.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.

1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. .

2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.

3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.

You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

I guess the difference is that when you make a case for Austin it actually sounds convincing, as opposed to that collage of reaches above

 

[menobrown]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.

1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. .

2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.

3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.

You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

I guess the difference is that when you make a case for Austin it actually sounds convincing, as opposed to that collage of reaches above

A better deep threat with a history of making clutch plays and doing it over the course of a few seasons is a reach? I mean if you say so but these are the kinds of things I judge WR's on.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.

1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. .

2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.

3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.

You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

I guess the difference is that when you make a case for Austin it actually sounds convincing, as opposed to that collage of reaches above

A better deep threat with a history of making clutch plays and doing it over the course of a few seasons is a reach? I mean if you say so but these are the kinds of things I judge WR's on.

A marginally better deep threat *only* if you don't count Austin's run after the catch ability is a huge reach. As is translating a couple more first down catches to mean anything.Compared to Austin's advantages like better hands, better ball skills, aggressive at going and getting the ball in the air, better route running, etc. You know, things that basically define a more talented WR.

Austin is better without the ball in his hands. Austin is better with the ball in his hands. And Austin is better at getting the ball in his hands.

 

[menobrown]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.

1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. .

2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.

3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.

You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

I guess the difference is that when you make a case for Austin it actually sounds convincing, as opposed to that collage of reaches above

A better deep threat with a history of making clutch plays and doing it over the course of a few seasons is a reach? I mean if you say so but these are the kinds of things I judge WR's on.

A marginally better deep threat *only* if you don't count Austin's run after the catch ability is a huge reach. As is translating a couple more first down catches to mean anything.Compared to Austin's advantages like better hands, better ball skills, aggressive at going and getting the ball in the air, better route running, etc. You know, things that basically define a more talented WR.

Austin is better without the ball in his hands. Austin is better with the ball in his hands. And Austin is better at getting the ball in his hands.

I've seen no proof or agree with any of the bolded parts above. Just a lot of opinion which is fine since this is all about having an opinion but I don't agree with pretty much anything you just stated.

To me I think it's close and boils down to if you prefer your WR's bigger or faster and quicker.

 

[TheFanatic]

austin is quicker, bigger, stronger, and has better hands.

holmes has slightly better straightline speed.

austin looks like a MONSTER when you watch him and holmes doesnt even stand out.

why is anyone picking holmes ????

I can see if you prefer Austin but I think it's silly to say why is anyone picking Holmes when several reasons as to why exist.

1. The NFL prefers deep threats over possession WR's. Austin is a deep threat and a good one but he's just not as good a deep threat as Holmes. Austin does have a high YPC but that's elevated by his incredible YAC numbers which I think ranked him #2 behind Welker in total YAC yards for WR's and I think #1 or #2 for YAC % among WR's. .

2. Holmes makes key catches. He did it in the SB obviously but he does it week in and week out. Over the last 4 season an incredible 79% of his receptions have resulted in a first down which I think leads the NFL over that span. Last year Holmes was 5th in the NFL in first down catches. Austin came in at #9 which is great just not as good as Holmes and terms of first downs per catch the gap between them grew much wider.

3. Holmes has played at a high level for a few years while Austin has not yet done it for a 16 game season. I believe Austin can continue to do it but there are those who knock Austin for this.

You can make a case all day long for Austin as well. He's got a ton of positives and I certainly would rather have him in fantasy and due to the Holmes knucklehead factor I'd rather have him on a real NFL team despite the fact I think Holmes is slightly more talented.

I guess the difference is that when you make a case for Austin it actually sounds convincing, as opposed to that collage of reaches above

A better deep threat with a history of making clutch plays and doing it over the course of a few seasons is a reach? I mean if you say so but these are the kinds of things I judge WR's on.

A marginally better deep threat *only* if you don't count Austin's run after the catch ability is a huge reach. As is translating a couple more first down catches to mean anything.Compared to Austin's advantages like better hands, better ball skills, aggressive at going and getting the ball in the air, better route running, etc. You know, things that basically define a more talented WR.

Austin is better without the ball in his hands. Austin is better with the ball in his hands. And Austin is better at getting the ball in his hands.

And it would seem he is better at getting into the endzone. Holmes has 235 catches and 20 TD's. Austin has 99 catches and 14 TD's. That's close to twice the percentage of catches that lead to TD's for Miles than Holmes...

 

[Lord Fantasy]

Apples and oranges? Little zippy guy talent expresses itself one way. Big grabby guy talent expresses itself another. Me I'm biased toward the big grabby, but maybe I shouldn't be.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Austin kills Holmes in the "eye test".

Austin looks significantly better on the field than Holmes does.

Can you elaborate on this? Quicker, faster, runs better routes? I mean Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards than Holmes this past year, but what exactly are your eye balls seeing?

He runs more routes. He's more aggressive in getting the ball. He's tougher to bring down in the open field with better RAC (even though Holmes excels here as well, but mostly bc of speed). He's a better RZ target. And yes, Holmes had 2 less receptions and 100 fewer yards. Except he also had 4 extra games as a starter. Austin didn't break out until week 5. Overall, I don't see any weaknesses in his game and he excels in various areas.

As pointed out above, he's more capable of dominating a game.

Miles Austin had 8 targets in week 4 before his breakout game. 8 targets over a 16 scehdule is 128 targets which is a healthy number of targets. He was essentially starting from week 4 on. Also in weeks 1 and 2 Austin accumulated 2 catches for 62 yards and a touch down. So we should not count those stats either since he was not starting since week 5 on. Therefore let us remove weeks 1 through 4 because Austin (the clearly more talented WR), was still not starting in year 4 because it does not truly show his true talent.

Maybe just maybe Austin continues this great run he is on. Until he proves that to me, he and Holmes are sitting in the very similar category for the time being.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

there seem to be two camps - it's close but I think holmes is more talented.

and the miles austin is a super stud Im in love and your nuts for thinking holmes is even close camp.

 

[Lash]

austin - bigger, stronger, faster, taller

holmes - quicker

even - hands

/thread

(not sure if 'better routes' are "talent" so i left it out above)

 

[Holy Schneikes]

austin - bigger, stronger, faster, tallerholmes - quickereven - hands/thread(not sure if 'better routes' are "talent" so i left it out above)

That's not the first time I've heard Austin is "faster" than Holmes. Can anyone care to elaborate on that evaluation? At the combine, Austin was a 4.5 guy. I don't think Holmes ran at the combine, but ran a 4.35 at his pro day (some had him at 4.29 but that was probably pre-adjustments to go along with a 6.82 3-cone and a 38" vert). Both look "fast enough" on the field to get behind people.So how are people making definitive statements about how Austin is faster than Holmes? You want to call them even, fine. But to say definitively that Austin is faster is suspect at best.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

It's questions like these I hate because I'm going to be viewed as bias but I try hard when answering questions related to Dallas to not be.

As someone said, Miles Austin as yet to even come close to catching the kind of important passes for his team as Miles Austin has done for the Cowboys. Holmes catching that pass for the Steelers in the Super Bowl will be a highlight for all SB's for years to come.

However, I do feel very confident that Miles Austin is the more talented and better receiver. It's mainly because of his strength and ability to make a catch and how tough he is to bring down once he catches the ball. I can't remember the name of who said it, but a DB said after he catches the ball, it's like trying to bring down Michael Turner. Austin's leg strength is so strong, he just runs threw many of the DB's arm tackles.

Holmes is a very good receiver, but I honestly can't say I feel his best football is yet to be played. That's not how I feel about Miles Austin, he played very well last year but he's got more coming this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

austin - bigger, stronger, faster, tallerholmes - quickereven - hands/thread(not sure if 'better routes' are "talent" so i left it out above)

That's not the first time I've heard Austin is "faster" than Holmes. Can anyone care to elaborate on that evaluation? At the combine, Austin was a 4.5 guy. I don't think Holmes ran at the combine, but ran a 4.35 at his pro day (some had him at 4.29 but that was probably pre-adjustments to go along with a 6.82 3-cone and a 38" vert). Both look "fast enough" on the field to get behind people.So how are people making definitive statements about how Austin is faster than Holmes? You want to call them even, fine. But to say definitively that Austin is faster is suspect at best.

I don't think either's speed is that much different than each other's to make a distinctive difference as to who is the better WR.

 

[JohnnyU]

there seem to be two camps - it's close but I think holmes is more talented.and the miles austin is a super stud Im in love and your nuts for thinking holmes is even close camp.

Goes back to who owns who :X

 

[Garts]

Is there a better YAC guy in the NFL right now then Miles Austin?

Some of the Cowwoy's best plays inside the 10 yard line are throwing a quick hitter to Austin and then he runs like a RB after that.

I also think we have only seen the tip of the ice berg with him too, and he looks like he wants to get even better.

I really like Holmes's talent, but the things Austin does at 6'3 and 220 are ridiculous.

 

[menobrown]

So how are people making definitive statements about how Austin is faster than Holmes? You want to call them even, fine. But to say definitively that Austin is faster is suspect at best.

No way Austin faster and I don't even think it's fine to call them even. Those 40 times don't lie and if scouts thought Austin was anything close to that fast he'd not have made it that far in the draft even if he did come from Div II. In fact one of the items mentioned in his draft bio and mentioned by multiple sites is that he won't beat people in a foot race. He has good speed relative to his size and he's outstanding at breaking long runs so I think to the naked eye that makes him seem faster but the clock than he reallly is but the clock does not lie.

 

[menobrown]

Is there a better YAC guy in the NFL right now then Miles Austin?

Probably not and certainly not based on last season.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This gets a little more interesting moving forward.