Who Is The #4 Pick (2 Viewers)

[Lombardi's Orphan Son]

(standard type scoring, no PPR)

I think there is a consensus, on the top 3

in any order

LT

LJ

SA

but what about #4?

Does Portis get the knod?

6th year in the league, 6000 yards and 45 tds. can i really be comfortable with the QB situation and the receiver situation, as well as the toughness of that division?

What about Cadillac?

youth, gruden, and well gruden. but he does share td touches and possession and has an inexperienced QB.

Ronnie Brown?

youth, no ricky, improved line, good line coach, improved QB, improving WR, but can we trust that Michael Bennett won't sneak in there. I have a bad feeling they liked the RBBC too much last year.

Steven Jackson?

youth, more of a full time roll, but with a new coach, new scheme, SJ barely broke 1000 last year?

rely upon Edge?

in a dynasty? you could get 3 top 5 years out there for sure. he's the only back on that team, but don't you think they will try and phase someone else in there, if not this year, then next??

anyone else???

 

[Crimedogg32]

its actually much more interesting in re-draft IMO

in dynasty I think its clearly Portis

 

[kabal152]

I like the dynasty league perspective it offers an extra sumptin, sumptin. When making the decison you really have to factor in youth. Edge and Tiki take an immediate downgrade. I think at #4 Portis is the safest pick right now.

His team is starting to blow up

He is gettin damn near all of the totes

Coach likes to beat on you with the run

Proved he could carry the full load last year

Al Saunders just jumped on board. Yup, that Al Saunders

Should have a few good productive years ahead of him

Tangent

"I loathe the word Redraft" , OK loathe is harsh. Redraft sounds so blah and boring. Dynasty is a cool name, Keeper sounds kinda clever. Auction is just what it is. Redraft sounds like reject

I'm an oldschooler: first team The Assasins circa 1990, I was raised on the all inclusive draft. Most guys I know started out drafting this way. How come we end up with the non cool name. How come we can't be the AIdraft. That sounds cooler than REdraft. It doesn't have to be AI, somebody can come up with something cooler maybe more clever. Although you would be hard pressed to do so. Who do I write to in order to get this change rollin?? Time's a wastin. OK the gamma radiation is wearing off now.

End Tangent

In a conventional draft I still say you have to take Portis. Although a stong case would have to also be made for that Gremlin in the backfield with Eli. I gotta tell you, I wouldn't draft Tiki this year if I had #4. I mean seriously looking at Barber's numbers and what he could potentially do, you cold make a case for him at #1. However, for some reason I KNOW. I... JUST... KNOW the year I take Tike real high, is going to be the year he will fall so far down in fantasy points scored, Google won't be able to find. So with number 4 pick the safe choice again is that guy Jerome.

Just thinkin out loud

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

After the Top 3 I have:

4 RB Clinton Portis, WAS

5 RB Reggie Bush, NO

6 RB LaMont Jordan, OAK

7 RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

8 RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

9 RB Steven Jackson, STL

10 RB Cadillac Williams, TB

 

[TheFanatic]

I have Portis as the #1 RB this year, so yeah if LJ, LT and SA go 1, 2, and 3 (not necessarily respectively) then I would be giddy with Portis at 4....

 

[P Boy]

After the Top 3 I have: 5 RB Reggie Bush, NO

 

[TheFanatic]

After the Top 3 I have:

5 RB Reggie Bush, NO

You disagree with that? I've already got him in the HOF. 5th is too low this year. He should be higher!?!?

 

[David Yudkin]

I was just in a dynasty draft and the Top 5 were

Larry Johnson

LaDainian Tomlinson

Clinton Portis

Carnell Williams

Shaun Alexander

 

[zamboni]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

 

[P Boy]

After the Top 3 I have:

5  RB Reggie Bush, NO 

You disagree with that? I've already got him in the HOF. 5th is too low this year. He should be higher!?!?

 

[cws3030]

I was just in a dynasty draft and the Top 5 were

Larry Johnson

LaDainian Tomlinson

Clinton Portis

Carnell Williams

Shaun Alexander

in a dynasty draft i would take portis over SA. Tier 1

LJ

LT

Tier 1A

Portis

SA

Tier 2

R.Brown

Caddy

Jordan

Jackson

 

[ATC1]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

What makes you think he won't get it done this year. He was the only one producing on a horrible team last year. Despite one of the lowest YPCs, due to the o-line, he put up good numbers for FF, especially in PPR.

 

[zamboni]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

What makes you think he won't get it done this year. He was the only one producing on a horrible team last year. Despite one of the lowest YPCs, due to the o-line, he put up good numbers for FF, especially in PPR.

I agree - he put up solid fantasy numbers, but Davis mentioned after the end of the season that he expected a better season from him.Believe me, I own Jordan and have been a big fan of his since he played for my hometown Jets, but he still has something to prove as an NFL (not fantasy) RB.

 

[TheFanatic]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

What makes you think he won't get it done this year. He was the only one producing on a horrible team last year. Despite one of the lowest YPCs, due to the o-line, he put up good numbers for FF, especially in PPR.

I think the loss of Norv Turner is going to hurt his numbers a lot. But if Moss can remember how to play WR and Brooks can get him the ball then the loss of Turner will be offset somewhat by the gobs of open space he will have with teams doubling and tripling Moss....

 

[aposulli]

4  RB Clinton Portis, WAS 

5  RB Steven Jackson, STL 

6  RB LaMont Jordan, OAK 

7  RB Reggie Bush, NO 

8  RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

9  RB Cadillac Williams, TB

 

[zamboni]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

What makes you think he won't get it done this year. He was the only one producing on a horrible team last year. Despite one of the lowest YPCs, due to the o-line, he put up good numbers for FF, especially in PPR.

I think the loss of Norv Turner is going to hurt his numbers a lot. But if Moss can remember how to play WR and Brooks can get him the ball then the loss of Turner will be offset somewhat by the gobs of open space he will have with teams doubling and tripling Moss....

Actually, I don't see the loss of Turner as much of a factor, but more so Brooks versus Collins (Brooks may take off more if the receivers are covered).Norv may have once been married to running the ball all the time, but he abandoned the running game at times even when the Raiders were still in games.

 

[Cenobite]

4  RB Clinton Portis, WAS 

5  RB Steven Jackson, STL 

6  RB LaMont Jordan, OAK 

7  RB Reggie Bush, NO 

8  RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

9  RB Cadillac Williams, TB

Close. Switch Jordan and Caddy and that is a fine dynasty list. Bush as the #7 rb is reasonable.

 

[FUBAR]

4 RB Clinton Portis, WAS - IMO, the only "lock" to be this slot in the top 10. LT/LJ could go either way, Alexander should be #3, but won't be in a lot of drafts.

THEN it gets interesting.

5 RB Cadillac Williams, TB

6 RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

7 RB Reggie Bush, NO

8 RB Steven Jackson, STL

9 RB LaMont Jordan, OAK

 

[3nOut]

Not sure why everyone is so high on R. Brown in a Dynasty. In a redraft sure. Too many things can happen next year when Ricky comes back.

 

[jurb26]

I have Portis as the #1 RB this year, so yeah if LJ, LT and SA go 1, 2, and 3 (not necessarily respectively) then I would be giddy with Portis at 4....

Me too. I love how people refuse to put anyone else in their top tier. If I didn't think I could trade down and had the #1 pick. I would take Portis easily.

 

[jurb26]

Not sure why everyone is so high on R. Brown in a Dynasty. In a redraft sure. Too many things can happen next year when Ricky comes back.

Ricky will be 30 when he comes back. Even if you think he makes an impact on things, it will be short lived.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

The same could be said about Ronnie Brown or Caddy, using the same criteria.

 

[zamboni]

LaMont Jordan should be considered if you have some of those others on the list.

I wouldn't consider Jordan up there. If he doesn't get it done this year, his time as a feature back may not last for more than a few years.

The same could be said about Ronnie Brown or Caddy, using the same criteria.

Given where Caddy and Brown were drafted, and their younger age, I think they'll be given more time than Jordan.

 

[P Boy]

Bush as the #7 rb is reasonable.

Please explain why Bush as the #7 RB is reasonable when not one person has seen him play one down of NFL football, nor is there one iota of evidence of whether he is capable of getting enough touches in a NFL game on a regular basis to amass significant consistent numbers over a career.To be placing Bush ahead of proven commodities in the NFL like Rudi Johnson, Edgerrin James, and Willis McGahee amongst others & pick him in the first round of a FF dynasty draft is not only not reasonable, it's borderline comical.

 

[Raiders]

Bush as the #7 rb is reasonable.

Please explain why Bush as the #7 RB is reasonable when not one person has seen him play one down of NFL football, nor is there one iota of evidence of whether he is capable of getting enough touches in a NFL game on a regular basis to amass significant consistent numbers over a career.To be placing Bush ahead of proven commodities in the NFL like Rudi Johnson, Edgerrin James, and Willis McGahee amongst others & pick him in the first round of a FF dynasty draft is not only not reasonable, it's borderline comical.

Pony Boy, you have to think of these players as stocks. If you wait tell it is an absoulte that R Bush is going to be the player that everyone expects him to be then it will be too late, and you will have to give the first overall pick for him. I don't think anyone can arrgue that based on just potential alone he is worth a top 10 pick, becuase the reward is huge, and the relative risk for an unknown priofessional carrear is low.If Bush had never played a down, but put up the kind of numbers he posted in his workout, he would still be a pretty high pick just based off of potential ie. A McPhereson. But the fact is he did play! AND HE WAS AWSOME!!!!

1740 yards 8.7 ypc 16 TD's, 478 yards rec 12.9 ypc 2 TD's

4.33 40, 40 inch vert. 28 reps of 225lbs.

If those aren't good precursers for future performance then I don't know what is. That's like someone telling you in the late 1980's it would be really smart to invest in tech stocks.

Bottom line is, either he is as great as everyone think he is and you get a fair price for him (somewhere in the mid-first round) or you miss the buss entirely and get stuck running after it for the next 10 years thinking why the heck did I take L Jordan instead of Reggie.

 

[P Boy]

Pony Boy, you have to think of these players as stocks. If you wait tell it is an absoulte that R Bush is going to be the player that everyone expects him to be then it will be too late, and you will have to give the first overall pick for him. I don't think anyone can arrgue that based on just potential alone he is worth a top 10 pick, becuase the reward is huge, and the relative risk for an unknown priofessional carrear is low.

I absolutely CAN make that argument. Please don't tell me that Bush's stud-dom is a guaranteed commodity. I can name numerous other RBs who had glorious college careers & who were supposed to be the next uber-stud and ended up on skid row. By definition, a 1st round pick is high risk - so you can eliminate that part of your argument. Bush will have to perform - have to - like LT/Portis just to justify your ranking of him. That make him low reward/high risk - again by definition.How can you possibly state that the risk is low when you haven't even seen him play an NFL down?

Bottom line is, either he is as great as everyone think he is and you get a fair price for him (somewhere in the mid-first round) or you miss the buss entirely and get stuck running after it for the next 10 years thinking why the heck did I take L Jordan instead of Reggie.

Or the company can't function in the business world effectively despite having great pre-IPO marketing and its stock price drops to $1.65/share after an IPO of $750/share, causing shareholders great financial distress that they take years to recover from.Has it even remotely occurred to you that Bush just might not be the next coming of Christ in the NFL? That bus you missed might be the one the Bush owner gets thrown under if Bush ends up being a RBBC RB & his owner burns a first rounder on him.

 

[EBF]

In a PPR, I'd probably go with Bush or Fitzgerald.

In a non-PPR, I'd probably go with Jackson or Fitzgerald. I think Jackson is going to be on a lot of championship teams next season. I don't like his longevity potential, but I think he's a great option for 2006.

I suppose Portis is a decent option, but he really doesn't strike me as the kind of player who can single-handedly elevate a team.

I think Ronnie Brown, Edgerrin James, and LaMont Jordan are grossly overrated. I like Cadillac Williams, but he's also going a bit too high.

 

[zamboni]

In a PPR, I'd probably go with Bush or Fitzgerald.

Even in a PPR, you'd go with Fitzgerald over any number of workhorse RBs?

 

[EBF]

In a PPR, I'd probably go with Bush or Fitzgerald.

Even in a PPR, you'd go with Fitzgerald over any number of workhorse RBs?

Absolutely. I think WRs are much more valuable than RBs in PPR dynasty leagues. Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, Torry Holt, and Anquan Boldin are all in my top 10 for dynasty PPR leagues.

 

[Lombardi's Orphan Son]

(standard type scoring, no PPR)

... and you would go #4 Jackson or Fitz?you gotta like Jackson, but he hasn't shown he can do it year in year out. don't you think you want more assurance for the #4 pick?

-orphan