Who is the Oakland WR to own? (1 Viewer)

[lbouchard]

DHB and Moore will start for Oakland. Who would you rather own? They're neck and neck in my book. Starting at week 9(after the bye and Palmer's first full week) and going to week 16, and accounting for missed games, DHB averaged 13.35 points per game, and Moore averaged 13.16 points per game(although I think he hurt his ankle early on in the Vikings game). DHB also had a monster game in week 17, and I didn't factor week 17 in. But DHB never scored fewer than 8.2 points in that stretch, while Moore scored 2.4 in one, then 4.6 in another. DHB is the bigger and thicker WR, which should make him a better RZ option. Moore did what he did without an offseason, and Palmer has been raving about Moore.

During the 4 games they each played in, here are the target numbers:

Week 11 at Vikings:

DHB: 5 targets

Moore: 2 targets (again, I think he injured ankle early on)

Week 15 at Lions:

DHB: 9 targets

Moore: 5 targets

Week 16 at Chiefs:

DHB: 5 targets

Moore: 9 targets

Week 17 at Chargers:

DHB: 17 targets

Moore: 6 targets

So from week 9 all the way to week 17, when they played, their average stat line was:

DHB: 9 targets, 5.3 catches, 77.3 yards, .43 TDs

Moore: 6.8 targets, 3.2 catches, 67.6 yards, .5 TDs

But both were rarely on the field at the same time with Palmer, really only weeks 16 and 17.

Now that I've inundated you with stats, which Oakland Raider WR do you prefer and why?

 

[solorca]

Given the relative cost, I wouldnt want either of them. I would rather spend a much later pick on Ford. Moore is probably the best option in a vacuum, but his cost puts him out of my price range.

 

[todisco1]

Given the relative cost, I wouldnt want either of them. I would rather spend a much later pick on Ford. Moore is probably the best option in a vacuum, but his cost puts him out of my price range.

I would take DHB for the same reason you like Ford -- I don't think DHB costs much right now compared what he'll produce.

 

[massraider]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

 

[lbouchard]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

This is true. It seems to me though that after he was picked too highly, he has improved every single year. He was 25 yards short of a 1000 last year, and his TDs should rise from 4.

 

[todisco1]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

This is true. It seems to me though that after he was picked too highly, he has improved every single year. He was 25 yards short of a 1000 last year, and his TDs should rise from 4.

You're talking about DHB, he's talking about D. Moore, right? I think you're disagreeing with each other here?

 

[Sake-Bombers]

Am I crazy that I think Ford can be the top-scoring Raider receiver, especially in PPR? He's the play I'm making.

But between Moore and DHB, I'll definitely take Moore.

 

[Garrett]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

Yes, and it's not close.

 

[lbouchard]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

This is true. It seems to me though that after he was picked too highly, he has improved every single year. He was 25 yards short of a 1000 last year, and his TDs should rise from 4.

You're talking about DHB, he's talking about D. Moore, right? I think you're disagreeing with each other here?

Yeah, I meant to say DHB after the "this is true" remark. Just playing a devil's advocate.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I doubt you'll find a Raider fan alive that says anything other than Denarius Moore.

Is this because of our DHB vs Schilens debate? Who won that debate by the way?D. Moore- 33 receptions on 76 targets(43.4%) 5 TDDHB- 64 receptions on 111 targets(57.6%) 4 TDGive me DHB.-Better size-Better athlete-Better stats

 

[greyone]

DHB going rounds 9-12. Moore is going before that.

 

[ThePittbully]

Jacoby Ford

 

[mr roboto]

I like Moore better. But the value IMO is DHB.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I literally have no idea

gotta wait for camp... I feel like Moore is a more naturally talented WR than DHB, but I think they can both produce this year

 

[koreansteve]

I like Moore better. But the value IMO is DHB.

For 12 team ppr redraft leagues:MooreMFL - #83FFC - #95DHBMFL - #120FFC - #133I would rather have Moore, but for the price I have to pay, I'll take DHB.

 

[Touchdown There]

Moore. Ford. Dhb.

 

[Hoosier16]

I'll take Criner.

 

[mr roboto]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

 

[Hoosier16]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

I also got laughed at for holding on to Cruz in 2 leagues 2 years ago.It's pretty simple. I don't think Moore or DHB are anything special. Why hold them on your dynasty roster if they're just average? I'd rather use that spot for someone else. I think Criner has a shot to like Boldin. If not, I drop him.

 

[mr roboto]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

I also got laughed at for holding on to Cruz in 2 leagues 2 years ago.It's pretty simple. I don't think Moore or DHB are anything special. Why hold them on your dynasty roster if they're just average? I'd rather use that spot for someone else. I think Criner has a shot to like Boldin. If not, I drop him.

Moore had at least as much buzz last year. Before that it was Ford. I'm just saying we all try to get ahead of the wave but at some point you gotta stay on one and see if it works out.

 

[Touchdown There]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

I also got laughed at for holding on to Cruz in 2 leagues 2 years ago.It's pretty simple. I don't think Moore or DHB are anything special. Why hold them on your dynasty roster if they're just average? I'd rather use that spot for someone else. I think Criner has a shot to like Boldin. If not, I drop him.

The other thing is that you did not mention a dynasty perspective. If you are throwing out opinions, that is great, but put it in perspective a little. Without perspective, most are going to assume you are talking about 2012 and there is no way Criner touches 600 yards this year. Criner would be a losing pick in any redraft this year and is un-rosterable without injury at least one, but probably even two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. This is why you got the reaction you did to your post.

 

[DoubleG]

I like Moore better. But the value IMO is DHB.

For 12 team ppr redraft leagues:MooreMFL - #83FFC - #95DHBMFL - #120FFC - #133I would rather have Moore, but for the price I have to pay, I'll take DHB.

I must have missed the part in the OP where he said anything about drafting or value.I assumed we were picking which we thought would produce - period. Especially based on the fact the second question is based on long term production (i.e. this aint about redraft or league or even necessarily about FF at all).That said, Moore for both. He's simply a better WR.

 

[Raymell McKigney]

The votes and MB posts are clearly in favour of Moore.

Was there anything to see in DHB's 2011 season (64 Catches, 975 yds, 4 TD's, from 111 targets) that stands out for the DHB backers as to why he is the guy to own? I know DHB burnt a lot of people as such a high rookie pick but what kind of improvements are we seeing in his game that could stand him in good stead to be the No.1 in OAK?

 

[ICON211]

DHB is the bigger and thicker WR, which should make him a better RZ option.

I will definitely say Moore. DHB catches a lot of balls against his body and does not go up and catch a lot of balls with just his hands which limits his red zone effectiveness.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'll take the wideout that Carson Palmer gushes about the most. I'll take Denarius Moore. And not really close.

Moore's going to distance himself from the pack in terms of targets, reception, TD's. Far and away he's the one Raider wideout to own. Ford, DHB, Criner, Ausberry are going to chip in complementary numbers. I kind of think Ford may surprise. But Moore should be a quality WR2 this year, and will be CP's favorite target. Moore has some work to do on his route running and he can only run so many nine routes a game. DHB is for now the more polished route runner, but Moore will quickly surpass him because of his hands and playmaking ability.

 

[Hoosier16]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

I also got laughed at for holding on to Cruz in 2 leagues 2 years ago.It's pretty simple. I don't think Moore or DHB are anything special. Why hold them on your dynasty roster if they're just average? I'd rather use that spot for someone else. I think Criner has a shot to like Boldin. If not, I drop him.

The other thing is that you did not mention a dynasty perspective. If you are throwing out opinions, that is great, but put it in perspective a little. Without perspective, most are going to assume you are talking about 2012 and there is no way Criner touches 600 yards this year. Criner would be a losing pick in any redraft this year and is un-rosterable without injury at least one, but probably even two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. This is why you got the reaction you did to your post.

I would think in early June, most would assume I'm talking dynasty. Probably 90% of the talk this time of year is about dynasty.

 

[LawFitz]

Count me as a long-time Raider fan (and one of DHB's toughest critics) who might actually prefer DHB to Moore, particularly in redraft. Just a feeling that DHB's career progression has him on track to be a probowler and WR1 in fantasy this season. I think his upside is limited compared to Moore's, but his downside and week-to-week deviation risk is much lower. Moore has better hands and ball skills, but DHB was better in every other way last season. Both are average, but improving route runners. DHB is faster, bigger, stronger, more experienced, more durable and based on everything I've seen and heard from both since they've been on the team, DHB is more intelligent, more mature and generally hungrier to improve.

None of this is a knock on Moore, as I think his potential is through the roof, and I'm strictly talking in relative terms. But DHB has proven to me that he's fully committed to improve himself. We'll see this season if Moore has a similar commitment to himself and this team.

I see a 1a/1b scenario with DHB having fewer big games, but a lower weekly standard deviation. And his draft position will likely be much lower than Moore's, while his total production will be similar if not better.

Caveat: Ford is definitely a risk to both guys. When healthy and motivated, Ford is a ridiculous weapon in his own right. He had some attitude issues last season though, especially after they traded for Palmer. We'll have to see where his head's at this season.

 

[Buck Stop]

Moore. Ford. Dhb.

 

[squistion]

I'll take Criner.

I love these guys.

I also got laughed at for holding on to Cruz in 2 leagues 2 years ago.It's pretty simple. I don't think Moore or DHB are anything special. Why hold them on your dynasty roster if they're just average? I'd rather use that spot for someone else. I think Criner has a shot to like Boldin. If not, I drop him.

The other thing is that you did not mention a dynasty perspective. If you are throwing out opinions, that is great, but put it in perspective a little. Without perspective, most are going to assume you are talking about 2012 and there is no way Criner touches 600 yards this year. Criner would be a losing pick in any redraft this year and is un-rosterable without injury at least one, but probably even two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. This is why you got the reaction you did to your post.

I would think in early June, most would assume I'm talking dynasty. Probably 90% of the talk this time of year is about dynasty.

I figured you were talking dynasty too. Look, I am a Criner fan and took him in 3 rookie drafts, but as much as I like him I would prefer to own Moore right now in any league - and I think no Moore owner in his right mind would do a straight up trade. That said, as far as rookies go I would rather invest a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick on Criner that the other WR prospects that are available at that level.

 

[SWC]

up late with carson palmer likes more the best so basically you have a qb telling you here is the dude i am going to throw the ball to because he is my brohan so why would you like anyone else better the truth is that more is better so go tell your grandma she is a brohan and take it to the bank with more

 

[DoubleG]

up late with carson palmer likes more the best so basically you have a qb telling you here is the dude i am going to throw the ball to because he is my brohan so why would you like anyone else better the truth is that more is better so go tell your grandma she is a brohan and take it to the bank with more

I like Moore more too.

 

[Crazysight]

DHB has the highest potential ceiling, most people like that. The fact that he still seems to have some room to mature may actually be a good thing of sorts, if you want to view it that way, as it probably also means he's only so far grazed his potential as a pro as well.

 

[Pots]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

DHB has the highest potential ceiling, most people like that. The fact that he still seems to have some room to mature may actually be a good thing of sorts, if you want to view it that way, as it probably also means he's only so far grazed his potential as a pro as well.

DHB's a super hard worker, runs polished routes, great blocker. Good teammate. Can't ask more of him. He lacks the hands and ballhawk skills, and it can't be learned. But I think last season was his ceiling. They force fed him the ball if anything and still he disappeared at times. It's a new coaching staff, new QB who trusts Moore and a healthy Ford returning. I think he's grazed his ceiling if anything.

 

[finito]

He lacks the hands and ballhawk skills, and it can't be learned.

I don't know if I agree with this. I do think a lot of this kind of talent is instinctual, but I also think you can improve catching skills with enough dedication. Maybe there is a limit to how much you can improve on these talents if you don't have the natural instincts, but I do think you can get better at it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

DHB's a super hard worker, runs polished routes, great blocker. Good teammate. Can't ask more of him. He lacks the hands and ballhawk skills, and it can't be learned. But I think last season was his ceiling. They force fed him the ball if anything and still he disappeared at times. It's a new coaching staff, new QB who trusts Moore and a healthy Ford returning. I think he's grazed his ceiling if anything.

Great post. Route technique can be refined and a JUGS machine can improve your hands, but the ability to make an in-play adjustment and wait an extra 1/10th of a second before making your cut in order to set your man up, anticipating where the open space will be two seconds from now, tracking a pass with your back to the ball and your head at a funny angle, or being able to adjust your body to stay in bounds while concentrating on the catch can't be learned. By the time you make it to the pros you can either do those things or you can't. IMO DHB can't -- and I think you're right on that last year was his force-fed ceiling.

 

[FF Ninja]

I like Moore better. But the value IMO is DHB.

For 12 team ppr redraft leagues:MooreMFL - #83FFC - #95DHBMFL - #120FFC - #133I would rather have Moore, but for the price I have to pay, I'll take DHB.

I must have missed the part in the OP where he said anything about drafting or value.I assumed we were picking which we thought would produce - period. Especially based on the fact the second question is based on long term production (i.e. this aint about redraft or league or even necessarily about FF at all).That said, Moore for both. He's simply a better WR.

It's always good to take value into account. Given that Moore has a higher ADP, why even have a poll? The majority of people are going to vote Moore because the majority of people like him better and that's why they're drafting him earlier.Personally, with DHB and Ford there, I'm not sure I could justify Moore at WR33 this year.WR33- MooreWR41- DHBWR61- FordA lot depends on how deep your bench is, but I'd really like the opportunity to draft DHB and Ford. If/when DMC gets hurt again, they'll be going to the air a lot. Someone is bound to break out and I'm not convinced Moore is better than DHB. I know he's hyped here so I'll probably get banned for saying that, but SP hype is wrong more often than right. Although what he did last year was pretty impressive. I won't be the least bit surprised if he becomes the #1 there. For the price of WR33 with those other legitimate threats on his team I just don't think I'll be gambling on that.It'll be interesting to see who clicks with Palmer after a full offseason.

 

[DoubleG]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

Seriously? Alright, for starters, how about becuase Ford has never been higher than 3rd in receptions amoung WRs or higher than 5th in receptions overall...on his own team...in any season of his career.

Ford's BEST SEASON - he had 23 receptions for 470 yards and 2 TDs. To put that in perspective, Denarius Moore as a rookie last season (despite changing QBs half way through and missing 3 games) had 33 receptions for 618 yards and 5 TDs.

DHB has had more receptions than Ford the two season the two have played together.

And you have to ask why a guys whose career numbers combined wouldn't make a good season for a WR isn't included in the conversation? A guy whose arguably the 3rd best WR on his team...at best?

How many teams do you have Ford on?

 

[Touchdown There]

Ford was a starter last year. He hurt his hamstring and then later on in the year Palmer threw Ford short on a deep ball. In Ford's effort to get back to the poorly thrown pass, he hurt his ankle. DHB was an injury fill in.

 

[DoubleG]

Ford was a starter last year. He hurt his hamstring and then later on in the year Palmer threw Ford short on a deep ball. In Ford's effort to get back to the poorly thrown pass, he hurt his ankle. DHB was an injury fill in.

Lot's of past tense verbs in this post...none of which, incidentally, actually apply to anything for 2012. The fact remains that Ford (even as a "starter") has yet to produce more than 25 catches in a single season or account for over 500 receiving yards in a season, in his time in the league - while Moore has done both as a rookie and DHB had a better year last year than Ford has had his entire career combined. Ford is the 3rd best WR on this team - at best. That is why he was left out of the OP and in terms of FF (barring injury to DHB or Moore) he will FF irrelevant in 2012 - unless your playing in a 16+ teamer that has a 3 WR mandatory starting requirement.

 

[One]

up late with carson palmer likes more the best so basically you have a qb telling you here is the dude i am going to throw the ball to because he is my brohan so why would you like anyone else better the truth is that more is better so go tell your grandma she is a brohan and take it to the bank with more

This guy gets it.

 

[Hoosier16]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

Seriously? Alright, for starters, how about becuase Ford has never been higher than 3rd in receptions amoung WRs or higher than 5th in receptions overall...on his own team...in any season of his career.

Ford's BEST SEASON - he had 23 receptions for 470 yards and 2 TDs. To put that in perspective, Denarius Moore as a rookie last season (despite changing QBs half way through and missing 3 games) had 33 receptions for 618 yards and 5 TDs.

DHB has had more receptions than Ford the two season the two have played together.

And you have to ask why a guys whose career numbers combined wouldn't make a good season for a WR isn't included in the conversation? A guy whose arguably the 3rd best WR on his team...at best?

How many teams do you have Ford on?

Why does he have to have more receptions in the past in order to be considered for the future?

 

[floods]

Ford was a starter last year. He hurt his hamstring and then later on in the year Palmer threw Ford short on a deep ball. In Ford's effort to get back to the poorly thrown pass, he hurt his ankle. DHB was an injury fill in.

The fact remains that Ford (even as a "starter") has yet to produce more than 25 catches in a single season or account for over 500 receiving yards in a season, in his time in the league - while Moore has done both as a rookie and DHB had a better year last year than Ford has had his entire career combined. Ford is the 3rd best WR on this team - at best. That is why he was left out of the OP and in terms of FF (barring injury to DHB or Moore) he will FF irrelevant in 2012.

I can understand that argument for Moore, but DHB? He was largely considered a bust until last season, and through that respective point in their careers (2yr), Ford has been more productive. Ford's only been in the league 2 years and was injured most of 2011, so I'm not sure how you can make such a brash statement that he'll be FF irrelevant in 2012.

 

[LawFitz]

Ford was a starter last year. He hurt his hamstring and then later on in the year Palmer threw Ford short on a deep ball. In Ford's effort to get back to the poorly thrown pass, he hurt his ankle. DHB was an injury fill in.

The fact remains that Ford (even as a "starter") has yet to produce more than 25 catches in a single season or account for over 500 receiving yards in a season, in his time in the league - while Moore has done both as a rookie and DHB had a better year last year than Ford has had his entire career combined. Ford is the 3rd best WR on this team - at best. That is why he was left out of the OP and in terms of FF (barring injury to DHB or Moore) he will FF irrelevant in 2012.

I can understand that argument for Moore, but DHB? He was largely considered a bust until last season, and through that respective point in their careers (2yr), Ford has been more productive. Ford's only been in the league 2 years and was injured most of 2011, so I'm not sure how you can make such a brash statement that he'll be FF irrelevant in 2012.

Anyone who thinks Ford will be irrelevant clearly didn't see or doesn't recall the second half of his rookie year. Dude was BALLIN!!! Last year injuries and the Jason Campbell drama derailed him big time. In return leagues especially, Ford has beast potential.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Ford was a starter last year. He hurt his hamstring and then later on in the year Palmer threw Ford short on a deep ball. In Ford's effort to get back to the poorly thrown pass, he hurt his ankle. DHB was an injury fill in.

Lot's of past tense verbs in this post...none of which, incidentally, actually apply to anything for 2012. The fact remains that Ford (even as a "starter") has yet to produce more than 25 catches in a single season or account for over 500 receiving yards in a season, in his time in the league - while Moore has done both as a rookie and DHB had a better year last year than Ford has had his entire career combined. Ford is the 3rd best WR on this team - at best. That is why he was left out of the OP and in terms of FF (barring injury to DHB or Moore) he will FF irrelevant in 2012 - unless your playing in a 16+ teamer that has a 3 WR mandatory starting requirement.

 

[Hoosier16]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

Seriously? Alright, for starters, how about becuase Ford has never been higher than 3rd in receptions amoung WRs or higher than 5th in receptions overall...on his own team...in any season of his career.

Ford's BEST SEASON - he had 23 receptions for 470 yards and 2 TDs. To put that in perspective, Denarius Moore as a rookie last season (despite changing QBs half way through and missing 3 games) had 33 receptions for 618 yards and 5 TDs.

DHB has had more receptions than Ford the two season the two have played together.

And you have to ask why a guys whose career numbers combined wouldn't make a good season for a WR isn't included in the conversation? A guy whose arguably the 3rd best WR on his team...at best?

How many teams do you have Ford on?

Lot's of past tense verbs in this post...none of which, incidentally, actually apply to anything for 2012.

 

[Pots]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

Seriously? Alright, for starters, how about becuase Ford has never been higher than 3rd in receptions amoung WRs or higher than 5th in receptions overall...on his own team...in any season of his career.

Ford's BEST SEASON - he had 23 receptions for 470 yards and 2 TDs. To put that in perspective, Denarius Moore as a rookie last season (despite changing QBs half way through and missing 3 games) had 33 receptions for 618 yards and 5 TDs.

DHB has had more receptions than Ford the two season the two have played together.

And you have to ask why a guys whose career numbers combined wouldn't make a good season for a WR isn't included in the conversation? A guy whose arguably the 3rd best WR on his team...at best?

How many teams do you have Ford on?

Lot's of past tense verbs in this post...none of which, incidentally, actually apply to anything for 2012.

 

[Touchdown There]

Moore. Ford. DHB.

 

[DoubleG]

Why is the OP neglecting Jacoby Ford? Does he not have him on his team?

Seriously? Alright, for starters, how about becuase Ford has never been higher than 3rd in receptions amoung WRs or higher than 5th in receptions overall...on his own team...in any season of his career.

Ford's BEST SEASON - he had 23 receptions for 470 yards and 2 TDs. To put that in perspective, Denarius Moore as a rookie last season (despite changing QBs half way through and missing 3 games) had 33 receptions for 618 yards and 5 TDs.

DHB has had more receptions than Ford the two season the two have played together.

And you have to ask why a guys whose career numbers combined wouldn't make a good season for a WR isn't included in the conversation? A guy whose arguably the 3rd best WR on his team...at best?

How many teams do you have Ford on?

Lot's of past tense verbs in this post...none of which, incidentally, actually apply to anything for 2012.

Those were stats - and some that actually do have bearing on 2012. Incidentally, many of the Ford backers in this thread continually spout the fact that Ford has always shown signs, until he gets hurt - apparently failing to realize the "until he gets hurt" part is part of the problem.

And the point about Ford being a "starter" last season until he got hurt and then "late in the year" DHB was an injury fill in - the actual facts are a little different. Officially, Ford started 3 games last season - which is 5 less than the 8 he appeared in. DHB started 14 (including game 1) - so the theory that DHB was simply an "injury replacement" for Ford is simply completely innacurate. Moore also started 10 games.

It's cool though - if Ford backers want to pretend that last season didn't happen, that DHB didn't play well and that Moore didn't look even better than Ford did in his rookie season - and pretend that Ford didn't get hurt...again - completely your perogitive.

But my guess is that a guy who still hasn't had more than 25 receptions or 500 yards and has a total of 3 receiving TDs in 24 games aint a guy that the OP felt necessary to include in the poll. But feel free to start your own. You could even entitle it something like "If DHB falls off the Empire State Building and D. Moore is abducted by aliens, who would the Raiders leading WR be THEN?!?" That might not work either though, because Louis Murphy is on the roster too - and he also had a better year in 2010 than Ford did - despite that being Ford's best season.

In terms of the value discussion, there is a difference between value and cheap. Just because you can get something cheap doesn't mean it has value. In FF a WR who will never crack your starting lineup (or even come close - even when injuries and by weeks pile up) has no value - no matter how late you take him.

Moore, then DHB. If I want to take an undersized, 3rd best WR on his own team, I'll take Devin Hester - or a myriad of other WRs that have more than 44 career receptions in 24 games played. Forb won't be burning up any roater spots on any of my teams - but you are certainly free to let him do so for you.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

But my guess is that a guy who still hasn't had more than 25 receptions or 500 yards and has a total of 3 receiving TDs in 24 games aint a guy that the OP felt necessary to include in the poll. But feel free to start your own. You could even entitle it something like "If DHB falls off the Empire State Building and D. Moore is abducted by aliens, who would the Raiders leading WR be THEN?!?" That might not work either though, because Louis Murphy is on the roster too - and he also had a better year in 2010 than Ford did - despite that being Ford's best season.

Murph? Really? Murphy is hot garbage, and is not a lock to even make the final roster. His in the mix for the 5th and 6th WR spots and is currently nursing a hammy. He may never even see the field to prove himself this preseason. The only thing going for him currently is the competition for the last WR spots currently are Duke Calhoun and UDFA Rod Streater.As for Ford, he is coming off injury and it’s not fair to project last year’s sophomore stats after a promising rookie year where he made a surprising impact making some remarkable plays downfield. He’s not been in the league that long to project he’s only going to be a 25 reception type guy. When healthy, there aren’t many corners who can keep up with him and if they use in the slot he can create some mismatches against slower safeties. It's a new regime, and they will use him differently. After Moore, I think Ford will be a force to contend with in 2012. Great leaping ability, hands, and ballhawk skills and I see Palmer taking his shots with Ford to open up the field for Moore. He's a weapon.