Who is your favorite late first early second round RB (1 Viewer)

[eakfootball]

Which 2 of these 5 backs do you most want on your team?

 

[finito]

I think Murray should be added. I like Helu & Vereen.

 

[Warhogs]

I voted Vereen and Quizz. NE has provided a lot of RB points it just happens to have been spread around to several players. If Vereen is the most talented it stands to reason he has a godd shot at getting a fair share of those points. I just really liked Quizz a lot in college. I think he steps into the 3rd down RB role so he should get on the field early in his career. If he shows something I think he gets a chance to grow his role.

 

[foxco]

I think they're pretty close. I'm partial to Helu, I don't think he's getting enough credit for how well he fits their system (we'll see about blocking). Then I'd go Vereen, but not with much confidence. If he gets the starting gig that's great, but NE has no problem using multiple RBs, and I don't think BGE/Woodhead vanish -- they were a strong tandem last season. If Vereen is that much better then he'll get the time, but I'm not quite convinced.

I am not a Carter believer, though there is an opportunity there for sure. I like Rodgers but don't think he'll ever be leaned on -- best for him would be the lesser part of a RBBC IMO, which in ppr may be good enough.

 

[Kleck]

Vereen is an easy choice since I liked him a lot prior to the draft, had him ranked #6 overall, and I'd still consider him at #6 now.

I'll go against the grain and take Alex Green with my 2nd choice. I do like Starks quite a bit, and think Grant is being a bit undervalued for 2011, but I think people are overlooking Green's long term potential in the Packers offense. I'm very excited to see what Green can do in the NFL, and believe once he learns to block at the NFL level that he'll be a total package. Dare I say a poor-man's Steven Jackson. He runs hard with quick feet and decent power, is pretty fast for a back his size and has good hands from what I can tell. The other thing with Green I like is that Ted Thompson supposedly fell in love with him at East/West Shrine Game and even more at his Pro-Day.

 

[Jercules]

Vereen is an easy choice since I liked him a lot prior to the draft, had him ranked #6 overall, and I'd still consider him at #6 now. I'll go against the grain and take Alex Green with my 2nd choice. I do like Starks quite a bit, and think Grant is being a bit undervalued for 2011, but I think people are overlooking Green's long term potential in the Packers offense. I'm very excited to see what Green can do in the NFL, and believe once he learns to block at the NFL level that he'll be a total package. Dare I say a poor-man's Steven Jackson. He runs hard with quick feet and decent power, is pretty fast for a back his size and has good hands from what I can tell. The other thing with Green I like is that Ted Thompson supposedly fell in love with him at East/West Shrine Game and even more at his Pro-Day.

This sounds great, for a dynasty perspective. Do you see this guy being a big contributor next year, especially when he's still green as a pass-blocker with THEE Aaron Rodgers as his QB?

 

[loose circuits]

Delone Carter cause he's usually the cheapest, but has just as much upside

 

[Bob Magaw]

demarco murray, DAL...

highlights roared off the screen*... barber is almost certainly gone, choice could be in the dog house for almost getting romo killed a few times last year, and felix jones hasn't exactly been an iron man... he has size and speed (blew up at the senior bowl, than clocked a blistering near sub-4.4 mark at combine, and at a lean looking listed 214 lbs., may bulk up to around the 220 lb. range without sacrificing much appreciable speed), can block and catch, and may already be the most versatile and multifacted RB on the cowboys roster... i expect him to at least rotate with jones right away, but he might be talented enough to have eventual starting upside... he was a relatively high third, who some scouts may have preferred to some of the second round RBs that landed in DET and MIA... he also has impressive hops (led prep team to state hoops championship) and could be a natural at the goal line... sought after recruit that was espns #1 RB in the nation (ranked #2 all purpose RB by rivals)... hopefully the infusion of OL talent keeps romo upright and leads to a more explosive DAL offense with greater overall scoring opportunities in 2011 and beyond, with promising WR tandem austin & bryant... one alarming and troubling red flag with murray was a checkered medical history earlier at oklahoma... after admitting to not taking his offseason conditioning seriously enough, he took up yoga and MMA-type training, resulting in the best season of his career in 2010... ULTRA productive despite litany of injuries, set career marks at oklahoma in all purpose yards, TDs (60+) and receiving yards for a RB, some of which i think may have ranked high up (top 15-20?) in collegiate history... could become a sudden fan favorite in Jerry World, as quickly as he can take it the distance...

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBFs5HZwyng

 

[Go deep]

demarco murray, DAL...

highlights roared off the screen*... barber is almost certainly gone, choice could be in the dog house for almost getting romo killed a few times last year, and felix jones hasn't exactly been an iron man... he has size and speed (blew up at the senior bowl, than clocked a blistering near sub-4.4 mark at combine, and at a lean looking listed 214 lbs., may bulk up to around the 220 lb. range without sacrificing much appreciable speed), can block and catch, and may already be the most versatile and multifacted RB on the cowboys roster... i expect him to at least rotate with jones right away, but he might be talented enough to have eventual starting upside... he was a relatively high third, who some scouts may have preferred to some of the second round RBs that landed in DET and MIA... he also has impressive hops (led prep team to state hoops championship) and could be a natural at the goal line... sought after recruit that was espns #1 RB in the nation (ranked #2 all purpose RB by rivals)... hopefully the infusion of OL talent keeps romo upright and leads to a more explosive DAL offense with greater overall scoring opportunities in 2011 and beyond, with promising WR tandem austin & bryant... one alarming and troubling red flag with murray was a checkered medical history earlier at oklahoma... after admitting to not taking his offseason conditioning seriously enough, he took up yoga and MMA-type training, resulting in the best season of his career in 2010... ULTRA productive despite litany of injuries, set career marks at oklahoma in all purpose yards, TDs (60+) and receiving yards for a RB, some of which i think may have ranked high up (top 15-20?) in collegiate history... could become a sudden fan favorite in Jerry World, as quickly as he can take it the distance...

* http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pBFs5HZwyng

Im not usualy impressed by youtube clips of players, but watching Murray two things jump out at me here, He has more power/tackle breaking ability than i remember. More importantly he has great intstincts, he just reacts so suddenly, if that makes any sense. If he can stay healthy he might end up a better pro than i originally gave him credit for.

 

[beerbarron]

Helu.. has a good chance to be RB1.. and if he earns that could be very productive... portis, and TDavis were great RB1's under his system in denver...

then either vereen or murray based on what is happening in training camp...

 

[KeeferMan]

demarco murray, DAL...

highlights roared off the screen*... barber is almost certainly gone, choice could be in the dog house for almost getting romo killed a few times last year, and felix jones hasn't exactly been an iron man... he has size and speed (blew up at the senior bowl, than clocked a blistering near sub-4.4 mark at combine, and at a lean looking listed 214 lbs., may bulk up to around the 220 lb. range without sacrificing much appreciable speed), can block and catch, and may already be the most versatile and multifacted RB on the cowboys roster... i expect him to at least rotate with jones right away, but he might be talented enough to have eventual starting upside... he was a relatively high third, who some scouts may have preferred to some of the second round RBs that landed in DET and MIA... he also has impressive hops (led prep team to state hoops championship) and could be a natural at the goal line... sought after recruit that was espns #1 RB in the nation (ranked #2 all purpose RB by rivals)... hopefully the infusion of OL talent keeps romo upright and leads to a more explosive DAL offense with greater overall scoring opportunities in 2011 and beyond, with promising WR tandem austin & bryant... one alarming and troubling red flag with murray was a checkered medical history earlier at oklahoma... after admitting to not taking his offseason conditioning seriously enough, he took up yoga and MMA-type training, resulting in the best season of his career in 2010... ULTRA productive despite litany of injuries, set career marks at oklahoma in all purpose yards, TDs (60+) and receiving yards for a RB, some of which i think may have ranked high up (top 15-20?) in collegiate history... could become a sudden fan favorite in Jerry World, as quickly as he can take it the distance...

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBFs5HZwyng

I don't know--I got kind of pumped on him after reading this, but when I look at the film his upright running style really stands out. It's not just on breakaway runs, he just looks stiff changing directions to me. Not quick in his cuts and doesn't show much hip flexibility or wiggle. Straight line speed looks great though, pretty good vision, great production and going to an explosive offense though....

 

[Go deep]

demarco murray, DAL...

highlights roared off the screen*... barber is almost certainly gone, choice could be in the dog house for almost getting romo killed a few times last year, and felix jones hasn't exactly been an iron man... he has size and speed (blew up at the senior bowl, than clocked a blistering near sub-4.4 mark at combine, and at a lean looking listed 214 lbs., may bulk up to around the 220 lb. range without sacrificing much appreciable speed), can block and catch, and may already be the most versatile and multifacted RB on the cowboys roster... i expect him to at least rotate with jones right away, but he might be talented enough to have eventual starting upside... he was a relatively high third, who some scouts may have preferred to some of the second round RBs that landed in DET and MIA... he also has impressive hops (led prep team to state hoops championship) and could be a natural at the goal line... sought after recruit that was espns #1 RB in the nation (ranked #2 all purpose RB by rivals)... hopefully the infusion of OL talent keeps romo upright and leads to a more explosive DAL offense with greater overall scoring opportunities in 2011 and beyond, with promising WR tandem austin & bryant... one alarming and troubling red flag with murray was a checkered medical history earlier at oklahoma... after admitting to not taking his offseason conditioning seriously enough, he took up yoga and MMA-type training, resulting in the best season of his career in 2010... ULTRA productive despite litany of injuries, set career marks at oklahoma in all purpose yards, TDs (60+) and receiving yards for a RB, some of which i think may have ranked high up (top 15-20?) in collegiate history... could become a sudden fan favorite in Jerry World, as quickly as he can take it the distance...

* http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pBFs5HZwyng

I don't know--I got kind of pumped on him after reading this, but when I look at the film his upright running style really stands out. It's not just on breakaway runs, he just looks stiff changing directions to me. Not quick in his cuts and doesn't show much hip flexibility or wiggle. Straight line speed looks great though, pretty good vision, great production and going to an explosive offense though....

Im with you on the upright running style, but his change of direction and cuts are some of the things that impress me.

 

[mlball77]

Thought this was interesting. Is it just speculation from KFFL? Usually they are more focused on facts and not interpretation etc. in their blurbs.

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray will challenge RB Felix Jones for the starting running back position, and there is no reason why Murray should not expect to win the job.

 

[gianmarco]

I've brought this up elsewhere, but this Felix injury prone thing is so exaggerated.

He missed all of zero games last year with his largest workload to date (over 200 touches).

The year before, he only missed 2 games.

 

[Go deep]

Thought this was interesting. Is it just speculation from KFFL? Usually they are more focused on facts and not interpretation etc. in their blurbs.

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray will challenge RB Felix Jones for the starting running back position, and there is no reason why Murray should not expect to win the job.

This is absolutely speculation. Murray will likely compete, but its unrealistic to think he will in the starting job, at least right away.

 

[mlball77]

Thought this was interesting. Is it just speculation from KFFL? Usually they are more focused on facts and not interpretation etc. in their blurbs.

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray will challenge RB Felix Jones for the starting running back position, and there is no reason why Murray should not expect to win the job.

This is absolutely speculation. Murray will likely compete, but its unrealistic to think he will in the starting job, at least right away.

Yeah, it does look like pure speculation from them. Typically, they seem to be more fact-focused in their blurbs (IIRC). So that is why this one sort of surprised me. I was wondering if they had a source indicating this sentiment, but I'm sure if they did, it would have been mentioned in the blurb.

 

[massraider]

Too many bodies in New England.

I like Carter. Addai isn't getting another contract, and we know Brown is just a body.

 

[Go deep]

Too many bodies in New England.I like Carter. Addai isn't getting another contract, and we know Brown is just a body.

This might be true, but isnt also possible the reason it seems like BJGE and the other NE backs are better than Colts RB's because the situation in NE is more advantageous to RB"s? I have a feeling if BJGE and Woodhead were in Indy and Brown, Addai and Hart were in NE people would be saying there are too many bodies in NE still.Ultimately the RB who ends up being the more talented player(Carter, Vereen) is going to end up getting more playing time and putting up better numbers.

 

[massraider]

Too many bodies in New England.I like Carter. Addai isn't getting another contract, and we know Brown is just a body.

This might be true, but isnt also possible the reason it seems like BJGE and the other NE backs are better than Colts RB's because the situation in NE is more advantageous to RB"s? I have a feeling if BJGE and Woodhead were in Indy and Brown, Addai and Hart were in NE people would be saying there are too many bodies in NE still.Ultimately the RB who ends up being the more talented player(Carter, Vereen) is going to end up getting more playing time and putting up better numbers.

You are right, and I might be more inclined to steer towards Vereen if I thought he was a more talented anything. I am a big fan of avoiding the guy that shoots up draft boards due to opportunity. Vereen is shooting up draft boards, and I don't see a great opportunity. So why is he suddenly a darling? Pretty sure the team loves what Law Firm and especially Woodhead bring to the table. For me, it's neither here nor there, at that point in the draft, I will probably be taking a QB, and letting others reach for mid-round backs. But I like Carter's game, I see a clearer path to 2012 lead duties, and while I think there is more RB points to be had in NE, I don't think Indy is a wasteland.

 

[Go deep]

Too many bodies in New England.

I like Carter. Addai isn't getting another contract, and we know Brown is just a body.

This might be true, but isnt also possible the reason it seems like BJGE and the other NE backs are better than Colts RB's because the situation in NE is more advantageous to RB"s? I have a feeling if BJGE and Woodhead were in Indy and Brown, Addai and Hart were in NE people would be saying there are too many bodies in NE still.

Ultimately the RB who ends up being the more talented player(Carter, Vereen) is going to end up getting more playing time and putting up better numbers.

You are right, and I might be more inclined to steer towards Vereen if I thought he was a more talented anything. I am a big fan of avoiding the guy that shoots up draft boards due to opportunity. Vereen is shooting up draft boards, and I don't see a great opportunity. So why is he suddenly a darling? Pretty sure the team loves what Law Firm and especially Woodhead bring to the table. For me, it's neither here nor there, at that point in the draft, I will probably be taking a QB, and letting others reach for mid-round backs. But I like Carter's game, I see a clearer path to 2012 lead duties, and while I think there is more RB points to be had in NE, I don't think Indy is a wasteland.

I can understand this, but it seems that is more the case with Carter than Vereen. I liked Vereen before the draft(i had him tied for the 3rd best RB with Leshoure), so being drafted by NE in the 2nd round was one of the best things that could have happened for him. Also, i have to think if NE really loved their current RB's they wouldnt have spent a 2nd and 3rd round pick on two more.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Thought this was interesting. Is it just speculation from KFFL? Usually they are more focused on facts and not interpretation etc. in their blurbs.

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray will challenge RB Felix Jones for the starting running back position, and there is no reason why Murray should not expect to win the job.

This is absolutely speculation. Murray will likely compete, but its unrealistic to think he will in the starting job, at least right away.

Yeah, it does look like pure speculation from them. Typically, they seem to be more fact-focused in their blurbs (IIRC). So that is why this one sort of surprised me. I was wondering if they had a source indicating this sentiment, but I'm sure if they did, it would have been mentioned in the blurb.

i saw it first this morning as a lead story by PFT, linked to "article" by Jean-Jacques Taylor... http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110504-taylor-no-reason-demarco-murray-shouldn_t-expect-to-be-cowboys_starting-rb.ece

definitely agree it falls under the category of speculation and not hard news...

than again, there are degrees of speculation... i'm not a homer, but i think he is one of the more prominent, nationally quoted cowboys beat writers (dallas morning news)... no idea about his previous track record on this kind of speculation...

as to where this falls on the spectrum or continuum of speculation, this may be more like informed conjecture than wild, baseless speculation... at least in terms of how jones may be perceived by the front office and coaching staff, and murray's CHANCE and potentiall OPPORTUNITY to start... the part about he should EXPECT to start, imo sounds more speculative, and a more extreme position i'm comfortable taking at this point...

obviously if he eventually starts in a high powered offense, even if not immediately, he could be a great dynasty stash (i generally think from a dynasty context and framework, so keep that in perspective)... on the bonus plan, if barber is gone, and murray is given a far bigger RBBC-role than choice ever did, he could score more even in the INTERIM than some may be accounting for...

this is all relative... given the thread parameters, not a lot of RBs going in his general position (or after) are slam dunks to start (or would have the transcendant talent to expect them to hold it for a long time)...

the quote is one of the stronger one's i've seen so far about his CHANCE to start... i think some scouts/fans viewed him more as a third down RB candidate (indeed, that may be how he begins his career), but imo the cowboys view him as a potential starter (or capable of a significant role in a RBBC with jones - more than choice recently)... i think being eased into a RBBC role with jones more likely than seizing the starting job immediately... longer term, with romo impacted by blocking issues in 2010, if murray is best blocker among RBs and with best OVERALL skill set (i do expect barber to be gone, and he just isn't as explosive as he was a few years ago, probably not a shocker given his early seek and destroy, violent running style), garrett may appreciate his scheme versatility on ALL DOWNS...

i think jones contract is up after 2012, so it is conceivable that the next year (or two) could be an extended audition for the "feature"/RBBC-lead back role...

i agree with gianmarco that criticism of jones durability may suffer from perceptual lag... he had a bigger issue earlier in his career, and has been relatively healthy recently... i don't recall specifically game by game past few years whether there were times he played, but at less than full strength, which wouldn't be captured by the lack of missed games criteria... perhaps some homers can chime in on this question...

 

[massraider]

Too many bodies in New England.

I like Carter. Addai isn't getting another contract, and we know Brown is just a body.

This might be true, but isnt also possible the reason it seems like BJGE and the other NE backs are better than Colts RB's because the situation in NE is more advantageous to RB"s? I have a feeling if BJGE and Woodhead were in Indy and Brown, Addai and Hart were in NE people would be saying there are too many bodies in NE still.

Ultimately the RB who ends up being the more talented player(Carter, Vereen) is going to end up getting more playing time and putting up better numbers.

You are right, and I might be more inclined to steer towards Vereen if I thought he was a more talented anything. I am a big fan of avoiding the guy that shoots up draft boards due to opportunity. Vereen is shooting up draft boards, and I don't see a great opportunity. So why is he suddenly a darling? Pretty sure the team loves what Law Firm and especially Woodhead bring to the table. For me, it's neither here nor there, at that point in the draft, I will probably be taking a QB, and letting others reach for mid-round backs. But I like Carter's game, I see a clearer path to 2012 lead duties, and while I think there is more RB points to be had in NE, I don't think Indy is a wasteland.

I can understand this, but it seems that is more the case with Carter than Vereen. I liked Vereen before the draft(i had him tied for the 3rd best RB with Leshoure), so being drafted by NE in the 2nd round was one of the best things that could have happened for him. Also, i have to think if NE was really loved their current RB's they wouldnt have spent a 2nd and 3rd round pick on two more.

Interesting. I gotta check out Vereen more.