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Who is your guy this year? Must have, reach for player (1 Viewer)

Keenan was injured early in his career but lately he’s been an iron man.  He hasn’t missed a game in 3 years, 
I have this burning recollection of a dropped TD ~> I’ve fallen and I can’t get up  hip pointer knocking me out of the FF playoffs in a game I lost by 3 points. He came out a couple times trying to gut it out but produced a goose egg, ending my season. 

I thought that was 2018. 

 
Chark? Too early. Just because it’s a $300 league doesn’t mean it’s a good pick.
Didnt mean to imply it was a good pick just a tidbit on where he went.  I had the 8th overall and was hoping he would sneak back around to me in the 4rth.  This was a virtual draft so I will ask my neighbor today about it when I see him

 
I didn't go into each draft with the intent to do so, but I ended up with Coleman on every redraft league I drafted this offseason besides 1.  I am with the other poster who said to buy the SF backfield cheap and hopefully your guy hits.

 
I don't know if this is a "must have" or a "reach" that excites many people, but I am high on Randall Cobb this season.  Don't trust the injury-prone WRs there in HOU and there are a lot of targets available over there.  I'm getting him late in drafts, 15-20th round, and in my local auction.

 
Keenan was injured early in his career but lately he’s been an iron man.  He hasn’t missed a game in 3 years, and has been a 100-1200-6 producer all 3 or those years.  

I agree the switch to Taylor increases Allen’s risk, but are we sure Tyrod is going to be THAT much worse than the Rivers we saw last year?  
Tyrod’s best passing yardage total as a starter was 3,000 yards. Rivers threw for 4,600 yards last year. Unless the Chargers turn Taylor into a volume passer, the Chargers passing and receiving totals are going to drop off. 

 
Tyrod’s best passing yardage total as a starter was 3,000 yards. Rivers threw for 4,600 yards last year. Unless the Chargers turn Taylor into a volume passer, the Chargers passing and receiving totals are going to drop off. 
When do you think Herbert takes over?

 
I don't know if this is a "must have" or a "reach" that excites many people, but I am high on Randall Cobb this season.  Don't trust the injury-prone WRs there in HOU and there are a lot of targets available over there.  I'm getting him late in drafts, 15-20th round, and in my local auction.
He's one of those guys that I hope it doesn't happen as I have been passing on him in every league. But I totally understand the rational, to the point where I almost regret not getting a few sprinkles of Cobb on my teams. 

 
When do you think Herbert takes over?
It depends if the Chargers are still in contention. And even if (when) he does, I still don’t see him hitting 290 yards passing a game like Rivers. In the last 50 years, there have only been 4 rookie QBs that played in 8 games that averaged 240 yards passing per game. 

 
It depends if the Chargers are still in contention. And even if (when) he does, I still don’t see him hitting 290 yards passing a game like Rivers. In the last 50 years, there have only been 4 rookie QBs that played in 8 games that averaged 240 yards passing per game. 
Interesting stat. I think Joe Burrow has a decent chance to average 240 per game.

 
It depends if the Chargers are still in contention. And even if (when) he does, I still don’t see him hitting 290 yards passing a game like Rivers. In the last 50 years, there have only been 4 rookie QBs that played in 8 games that averaged 240 yards passing per game. 
rookie QB's do much better in recent years, no? 50 years might be a little too much of stretch for this query? 

 
rookie QB's do much better in recent years, no? 50 years might be a little too much of stretch for this query? 
It still doesn't change that there aren’t many guys that hit the ground gunning. Four of 65 rookie QB’s since 2000 that played in 8+ games have averaged 240 passing yards. 

Luck - 273
Mayfield - 266
Newton - 253
Winston - 252
Wentz - 236

I am not saying it can’t happen, only that it doesn’t happen often. 
 

 
It still doesn't change that there aren’t many guys that hit the ground gunning. Four of 65 rookie QB’s since 2000 that played in 8+ games have averaged 240 passing yards. 

Luck - 273
Mayfield - 266
Newton - 253
Winston - 252
Wentz - 236

I am not saying it can’t happen, only that it doesn’t happen often. 
 
I love that you bring stats to your point, but they aren't always relevant though. Like for instance, 65 rookie QB's since 2000. Of those 65, how many have played and started 8 games as is suggested for Hebert here. How many of those were first round picks? I bet all of a sudden the numbers are much more positive as you tried to paint a picture of near impossibility. It is very possible that Hebert can throw for 240 yards a game in today's NFL if he gets an opportunity to play. If anything, it is a near guarantee that the passing game will be much improved with Hebert in there, even if he doesn't reach the "240 ypg" mark. 

 
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I love that you bring stats to your point, but they aren't always relevant though. Like for instance, 65 rookie QB's since 2000. Of those 65, how many have played and started 8 games as is suggested for Hebert here. How many of those were first round picks? I bet all of a sudden the numbers are much more positive as you tried to paint a picture of near impossibility. It is very possible that Hebert can throw for 240 yards a game in today's NFL if he gets an opportunity to play. If anything, it is a near guarantee that the passing game will be much improved with Hebert in there, even if he doesn't reach the "240 ypg" mark. 
The bar I set was 290 . . . NOT 240. And why am I the one being asked to research YOUR position?

There were 65 rookie QBs that played in 8 games in their first season since 2000. In that time, there were 60 QBs taken in the first round. If you want to match up the ones that met both criteria, have at it.

The four guys I listed were all #1 overall picks. Herbert was the third QB selected. I have provided my opinion that I don’t think Herbert would average 290 yards passing a game. That was my overall point. 

 
The bar I set was 290 . . . NOT 240. And why am I the one being asked to research YOUR position?

There were 65 rookie QBs that played in 8 games in their first season since 2000. In that time, there were 60 QBs taken in the first round. If you want to match up the ones that met both criteria, have at it.

The four guys I listed were all #1 overall picks. Herbert was the third QB selected. I have provided my opinion that I don’t think Herbert would average 290 yards passing a game. That was my overall point. 
Herbert can also run much better than folks realize. I think he might even be an upgrade on TMobile

 
The bar I set was 290 . . . NOT 240. And why am I the one being asked to research YOUR position?

There were 65 rookie QBs that played in 8 games in their first season since 2000. In that time, there were 60 QBs taken in the first round. If you want to match up the ones that met both criteria, have at it.

The four guys I listed were all #1 overall picks. Herbert was the third QB selected. I have provided my opinion that I don’t think Herbert would average 290 yards passing a game. That was my overall point. 
This wasn't my stance at all, I just jumped in the conversation as I found your research to be a little dishonest on this particular point. You are correct, 290 is probably not going to happen, but that is clearly not a fair bar to clear here. You went to 240, which is a much more realistic possibility, so that's why i went with that number. 

I have no favorites from either side of this discussion, I own 2 Chargers(Allen and Henry, once each) across 12 teams, none are QB's. I was just questioning where you coming from! Cheers!

 
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So are thinking he just overtakes Ingram?  Cuz it seems to me it'll be some kind of a split with Ingram getting more touches, unless he gets hurt.
I'm think sometime around week 5 is when it happens.  The lack of preseason will hurt initially,  but once he gets some carries, I think he's there to stay. The only thing that concerns me is goal line carries.

 
Keenan is going to get so many targets in the month of September ... rest of the Bolts  WR's are weak sauce....even Mike Williams 

 
Chalk went 3.03 last night in my neighborhood $300 league.  For perspective
That’s seems....early. Cost of league entry =/= skill of managers. :shrug:  

(no offense if it was you who drafted him there, but that’s a baaaaaad pick for a dude who’s ADP is 5.04. 3.03 is Golloday/Juju/ARob territory) 

 
Didnt mean to imply it was a good pick just a tidbit on where he went.  I had the 8th overall and was hoping he would sneak back around to me in the 4rth.  This was a virtual draft so I will ask my neighbor today about it when I see him
Weird things happen in every draft. He did you a favor because 4.xx would have even been a slight reach. But not unreasonable, like 3.03 is. 

 
Keenan is going to get so many targets in the month of September ... rest of the Bolts  WR's are weak sauce....even Mike Williams 
I commented on something similar in another thread. Rivers threw the ball almost 600 times last year and one year had 660 attempts. The most attempts Taylor has had in a season is 436. I would not expect the same volume of passing attempts with Taylor . . . so Allen could see the most targets on the team and still have a dip in total targets. Allen averaged 9.3 targets per game last year. If Taylor is used similarly to when he started in BUF, he averaged 10 fewer passing attempts per game than Rivers did last year.

 
I commented on something similar in another thread. Rivers threw the ball almost 600 times last year and one year had 660 attempts. The most attempts Taylor has had in a season is 436. I would not expect the same volume of passing attempts with Taylor . . . so Allen could see the most targets on the team and still have a dip in total targets. Allen averaged 9.3 targets per game last year. If Taylor is used similarly to when he started in BUF, he averaged 10 fewer passing attempts per game than Rivers did last year.
I also recall Rivers having more of a knack for air yards, where Ekeler seems like he’ll be the king or dump-offs once again. 

not saying Taylor will never go downfield - he’ll have some shots. I don’t seen him taking an irresponsible amount of shots like Rivers did. He’s just not a gunslinger-type. Taylor may be an upgrade in that regard for RL football, but I don’t see Allen as undervalued this year. I agree there’s going to be a regression in that passing game, which could well be good for the Chargers. 

 

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