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Who should be the Coach of the Year? (1 Viewer)

Who deserves to be the Coach of the Year?

  • Tony Dungy

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  • Bill Belichick

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  • Brian Billick

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  • Eric Mangini

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  • Jeff Fisher

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  • Marty Schottenheimer

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  • Bill Parcells

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  • Lovie Smith

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  • Sean Payton

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  • Mike Nolan

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  • Mike Holmgren

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I only listed the coaches who you could make a serious argument for with four games to play. That came out to eleven names. I think all of these guys would be in the running if everything breaks right down the stretch.

For the record, I'm torn between Schottenheimer, Payton, Fisher and Mangini.

Schottenheimer - Marty has a lot more to work with than the other three finalists on my personal list, but nevertheless, the Chargers are a wrecking machine on both sides of the ball, and they are doing it behind a QB who is starting for the first time. Very impressive with only two losses. But the man does have the obvious advantage of coaching the best player in the sport along with a host of great run-stuffers.

Fisher - Tennessee's talent level is BRUTALLY bad. You look up and down their roster and you see players with less than 3 years of experience, yet they have only been blown out in three of their twelve games. This might be Fisher's best coaching job yet. If the Titans let him walk, they are insane. Still, the Titans are only 5-7, and Fisher has no shot unless his team has a winning record.

Mangini - I am frankly amazed that the J-E-T-S are 7-5. Amazed. I pegged them as the worst team in the league entering this campaign. I figured they would finish the season with three wins. Pennington is steady, the receivers are playing very well, and Mangini found a way to effectively utilize the "3-headed-RB monster" that they had for most of the season, even though none of the three backs are very special players. On defense, the Jets have had trouble stopping the run all year long, but they have steadily improved. DT Dwayne Robertson is finally playing up to his potential, and 2nd-year FS Kerry Rhodes is playing at a Pro Bowl level, and you have to think it's because of Mangini's defensive tutelage.

Payton - Another team the prognosticators had winning about four games, especially in a division that looked to be awfully difficult on paper. People wondered how Bush and McAllister would coexist, but they have each managed to find success and get plenty of touches. Post-Katrina New Orleans residents needed something to uplift them, and Payton had that added pressure on his shoulders. His work with Brees, Colsten and the other offensive personnel confirms what everyone in the league suspected -- Payton is the next great offensive mind. The Saints will likely finish at 10-6. That is mind-blowing!

Who do I go with? It's gotta be Sean Payton.

 
I give Mangini the edge over Payton, given the much lesser talent the Jets have had relative to the Saints. And that's no slight whatsover against Payton, who has admirably more than righted the ship in New Orleans.

 
There's still four games to go so things can change but there's only three guys that you can make a legitimate argument for. You've got 11 names.... only three have a shot and Payton is far ahead of the rest of the pack right now. those saints were SO bad last year. they lost their best O-Linemen and their best D-Linemen and they still have been able to play well.

obviously Brees & Bush added and Colston added but other than those three, all the significant contributors are the same from a year ago or are even less talented than what they had last year. the LB's are AWFUL!!!!!!!! The secondary is average at best. The DE's get great pressure on the QB but their DL is average in tackling and run stopping. Their O-Line is average at best. Coming into the season they had an aging Horn at WR and traded away their next best option but since then they have turned it up. a 7th-round pick from Hofstra... come one, he cant be that good, huh???? is he that good??? or is it the coach and system and QB making him that good????? Payton deserves all the credit he can get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

was Haslett that bad OR is the new era led by Payton & Brees that good?

 
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I give Mangini the edge over Payton, given the much lesser talent the Jets have had relative to the Saints. And that's no slight whatsover against Payton, who has admirably more than righted the ship in New Orleans.
Agreed. We could have looked at the Saints before the year and figured they'd be a contender in the division.IIRC, only one person here thought the Jets would be legit. I sure didn't.
 
Agreed. We could have looked at the Saints before the year and figured they'd be a contender in the division.
really? we could have? hhhmmmm, then why did the majority of the guys on this board and other fantasy boards and mainstream media mostly pick them to be a 4-5 win team??????the team, on paper, had less talent than they did last year at many positions. Brees was a question mark because of his shoulder injury and they traded away or lost key players. The team last year had given up early and blamed it on Katrina. I don't know of anyone (other than dillusional, irrational homers) that picked this team to be a contender let alone division leader.
 
Payton, Mangini, then I would say Billick.

Billick had to make a decision to get rid of his OC and good friend because the offense was down right horrible. Since he has been calling the plays the offense has look tons better. After the bad offensive showing it's not as strong of an argument, but over all the past couple of weeks there is no doubt this team is better with him calling the plays.

 
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Agreed. We could have looked at the Saints before the year and figured they'd be a contender in the division.
really? we could have? hhhmmmm, then why did the majority of the guys on this board and other fantasy boards and mainstream media mostly pick them to be a 4-5 win team??????the team, on paper, had less talent than they did last year at many positions. Brees was a question mark because of his shoulder injury and they traded away or lost key players. The team last year had given up early and blamed it on Katrina. I don't know of anyone (other than dillusional, irrational homers) that picked this team to be a contender let alone division leader.
Yes, we could have. The main reason the "experts" picked the Saints to be under .500 was Brees shoulder. I'm not going to give the coach credit for the shoulder. Where do you see the drop in talent? Stallworth? The team got a raw deal last year due to Katrina. Not too surprising to see a team with real home games and less distractions doing better. I'll give Payton his due, he's done a fantastic job. I'm just more impressed with Mangini's job.
 
Saban and Denny Green don't even make the list?

I'd like to put in an honorable mention for Belichick. I'm aware that he neither deserves, nor will get, this award. But he has brought the team to their best start they've ever had, even better than their Superbowl years, in a year when most major publications had them falling behind in the division, and where the team lost even more talent than usual. He didn't let the distraction of the Branch holdout affect the team.

From a management side, he got a 1st round pick for Deion Branch when nobody thought he was worth a second. He got Seau to come out of retirement and had him looking like a force. He got Dillon and Maroney to be happy splitting carries, and has navigated a team that was called old on defense, poor at defensive back, dealth with losses on the offensive line, and void at receiver to a 9-3 record with the #8 passing offense, #12 rushing offense, #6 overall offense, #3 rushing defense, #3 scoring defense, and #9 overall defense. That's pretty incredible.

 
Gotta be Mangini here. I really thought the Jets would be sitting at something like 2-10 at this point, but they are 7-5 with a pretty good shot of finishing 11-5.

yes, 11-5:

Buffalo

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Oakland

Both the road games are tough but winnable. They should beat Buffalo and Oakland at home.

If they finish 11-5 I don't see how you can not give it to Mangini. Peyton has done a tremendous job but they've got more talent than the Jets.

 
I'm not sure what the point is. It appears that to qualify for coach of the year, you have to turn a team around from a bad season. So a guy like Belichick apparently cannot be coach of the year.

 
Alot of people counted the Bengals out with the first place schedule and all the offseason trouble. IN MARVIN WE TRUST!

 
I'm not sure what the point is. It appears that to qualify for coach of the year, you have to turn a team around from a bad season. So a guy like Belichick apparently cannot be coach of the year.
not necessarily.that is usually the case, but are some recent winners along with their team's records from the year they won and the year before

2003 - Bill Belichick, Patriots (14-2 from 9-7)

2002 - Andy Reid, Eagles (12-4 from 11-5)

2001 - **** Jauron, Bears (13-3 from 5-11)

2000 - Andy Reid, Eagles (11-5 from 5-11)

1999 - **** Vermeil, Rams (13-3 from 4-12)

1998 - Dan Reeves, Falcons (14-2 from 7-9)

1997 - Jim Fassel, Giants (10-5-1 from 6-10)

1996 - Dom Capers, Panthers (12-4 from 7-9)

 
Alot of people counted the Bengals out with the first place schedule and all the offseason trouble. IN MARVIN WE TRUST!
A coach who won his division last year, yet is only 7-5 with ALL that talent?Thank you.... no.
Playing with a QB coming off with a major knee injury and playing without all 3 starting linebackers? Its ok, youll see Sunday. :boxing:

 
Alot of people counted the Bengals out with the first place schedule and all the offseason trouble. IN MARVIN WE TRUST!
A coach who won his division last year, yet is only 7-5 with ALL that talent?Thank you.... no.
Playing with a QB coming off with a major knee injury and playing without all 3 starting linebackers? Its ok, youll see Sunday. :boxing:
Yeah, they should destroy Oakland. But they have still been underperforming this season.
 
Alot of people counted the Bengals out with the first place schedule and all the offseason trouble. IN MARVIN WE TRUST!
A coach who won his division last year, yet is only 7-5 with ALL that talent?Thank you.... no.
Playing with a QB coming off with a major knee injury and playing without all 3 starting linebackers? Its ok, youll see Sunday. :boxing:
Yeah, they should destroy Oakland. But they have still been underperforming this season.
Agree to disagree. :thumbup:
 
I think Payton or Mangini will win it, but I voted for Tuna.

To have to deal with Jerry Jones, TO, changing QB's, changing Kickers, the man has had a lot to deal with and now sits atop the division.

 
I think Payton or Mangini will win it, but I voted for Tuna.To have to deal with Jerry Jones, TO, changing QB's, changing Kickers, the man has had a lot to deal with and now sits atop the division.
:goodposting: I agree here, although I really think both mangini and payton have done admirable jobs.With all the distractions he quelled the egos and made the right calls all year long. I sincerely think he is on his way to the Superbowl, NFC Championship game at the least.To me this is the best coaching job he has done, period.But if not Parcells, then Payton. Cutting all his linebackers in camp was a bold stroke that made this season possible (aside from the obvious Brees turning in his Marino like season-but some of that success has to be his playcalling also).
 
I'm not sure what the point is. It appears that to qualify for coach of the year, you have to turn a team around from a bad season. So a guy like Belichick apparently cannot be coach of the year.
not necessarily.that is usually the case, but are some recent winners along with their team's records from the year they won and the year before

2003 - Bill Belichick, Patriots (14-2 from 9-7)

2002 - Andy Reid, Eagles (12-4 from 11-5)

2001 - **** Jauron, Bears (13-3 from 5-11)

2000 - Andy Reid, Eagles (11-5 from 5-11)

1999 - **** Vermeil, Rams (13-3 from 4-12)

1998 - Dan Reeves, Falcons (14-2 from 7-9)

1997 - Jim Fassel, Giants (10-5-1 from 6-10)

1996 - Dom Capers, Panthers (12-4 from 7-9)
"In a year of masterful coaching throughout the league, Belichick led the Patriots to the NFL's best record, 14-2. The Patriots, fighting off injuries almost from the outset of the schedule, won their final 12 games, setting franchise records for winning streak and victories in one year."http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NE/6975870

"Reid was the overwhelming choice as the NFL's coach of the year [ in 2002 ] as the Eagles thrived without the services of QB Donovan McNabb to still capture home-field advantage in the NFC playoffs."

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coachbio.jsp?id=638

Ok, we can amend the statement to say that to be coach of the year, you either had to have turned a team around from a bad season OR you had to be perceived as overcoming "significant injuries". Still seems like crap to me. A head coach has no control over the injuries his team suffers, so how can that be the determining factor? And in the other case, you set up a situation where a head coach might have to do a poor job for a year to get this award in the next year.

 
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Alot of people counted the Bengals out with the first place schedule and all the offseason trouble. IN MARVIN WE TRUST!
A coach who won his division last year, yet is only 7-5 with ALL that talent?Thank you.... no.
Playing with a QB coming off with a major knee injury and playing without all 3 starting linebackers? Its ok, youll see Sunday. :boxing:
Yeah, they should destroy Oakland. But they have still been underperforming this season.
I don't think that is true, the Bengals has faced some major issues and found a way to come out on top. They have done a terrific job this year.Back to the topic its Payton all the way, comfortably even.. The cinderella story that is the Saints' season is pretty hard to match

 
I'd go with Billick. Since taking over playcalling his team is a new team. I can't believe how much he's turned the Ravens around.

Mangini gets a nod as well with Peyton, but rookie coaches don't usually get this honor.

I'm a little surprised to see that Holmgren has never won COTY honors. Considering what he did in GB and SEA he should have won it at least one time.

 
The main reason the "experts" picked the Saints to be under .500 was Brees shoulder. I'm not going to give the coach credit for the shoulder. Where do you see the drop in talent? Stallworth? The team got a raw deal last year due to Katrina. Not too surprising to see a team with real home games and less distractions doing better. I'll give Payton his due, he's done a fantastic job. I'm just more impressed with Mangini's job.
Pretty much sums it up for me. I expected Brees to be erratic due to shoulder, new team, etc - didn't expect greatness, but figured if he recovered well enough (better than I figured) they could be at least respectable.Payton is a fine enough choice, but IMO it should be Mangini over him w/o question. The Saints added a lot of talent in Brees and Bush alone (I know, Bush hasn't exactly dazzled), Colston, etc...and still had guys like McAllister and all.Who did the Jets add - or even have? Basically a stud rookie OL and an occasionally productive WR2 in Cotchery. Little else of note. Plus Martin never came back and they basically have a pile of rubble at RB, key losses on D.....I can't believe they aren't in the running for the top draft pick in 07.
 
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I give Mangini the edge over Payton, given the much lesser talent the Jets have had relative to the Saints. And that's no slight whatsover against Payton, who has admirably more than righted the ship in New Orleans.
Can't fault your logic, but don't forget that Payton is responsible for getting a lot of the talent into New Orleans. The back-up LBs he brought over from Dallas are huge for New Orleans.
 
I'd go with Billick. Since taking over playcalling his team is a new team. I can't believe how much he's turned the Ravens around.
That's another good one. Baltimore is definitely a surprise team this year. I wonder how much of the credit goes to Rex Ryan, though, since it's obviously the defense that's carrying that team, and Billick was supposed to be an offensive minded coach. In fact, a case could be made that a better coach would have taken the Ravens to multiple Superbowls and a much better record over the last several years.
 

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