kneeunthaface
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Any Denver RB
Marvin Harrison
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maxwelledison
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall
TO
FWP
Steven Jackson
TO
FWP
Steven Jackson
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
some reasons would be nice too.
Good luck this year buddy...
Kyzersosik
Footballguy
O U C H
Buffaloes
Footballguy
That's what I was thinking.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
LJ - done
Ryan Grant - something doesn't feel right here
McGahee - injury concerns
Ryan Grant - something doesn't feel right here
McGahee - injury concerns
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Teef
Reason: his avatar
Reason: his avatar
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Chad Johnson - If the Bengals start out slow, you wonder if he's going to see it as 'worth it' and keep playing thru the injury
Rudi Johnson - Might be out of a job soon and pretty washed up
Ronnie Brown - Will he ever heal? Too much of an injury risk and Ricky Williams looks as solid as he can.
Mcgahee - Hurt and on the outs?
Kevin Curtis - Sports hernias are not something that is easy to come back from. Could drag out deep into the season
And while not a DND draft guy, Wes Welker's ribs have me concerned. Rib injuries tend to linger all season and could dramtically impact his season. Not saying I wouldn't draft him, just not at where he's going. Blast away.
Rudi Johnson - Might be out of a job soon and pretty washed up
Ronnie Brown - Will he ever heal? Too much of an injury risk and Ricky Williams looks as solid as he can.
Mcgahee - Hurt and on the outs?
Kevin Curtis - Sports hernias are not something that is easy to come back from. Could drag out deep into the season
And while not a DND draft guy, Wes Welker's ribs have me concerned. Rib injuries tend to linger all season and could dramtically impact his season. Not saying I wouldn't draft him, just not at where he's going. Blast away.
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facook
Footballguy
Guys I'm avoiding at current ADP:
Boldin - I said in an earlier thread that I'd want an angry Boldin on my team. I'm moving away from that the more I hear about Boldin not liking his coach, and the more upheaval we see among the qbs in Arizona. Just too scared he might pack it in and pull a Rosenhous.
Earnest Graham - One year wonder? The possibility scares me away.
McNabb, Bulger, DA - Injuries, inconsistency.
Peyton - I'd draft him later, but where he's going I won't take the risk.
Boldin - I said in an earlier thread that I'd want an angry Boldin on my team. I'm moving away from that the more I hear about Boldin not liking his coach, and the more upheaval we see among the qbs in Arizona. Just too scared he might pack it in and pull a Rosenhous.
Earnest Graham - One year wonder? The possibility scares me away.
McNabb, Bulger, DA - Injuries, inconsistency.
Peyton - I'd draft him later, but where he's going I won't take the risk.
I understand what you are saying hear, but Warner throwing to Boldin makes him MORE valuable.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
Won't need it, big guy. Thanks anyway, though.
bonesman
Footballguy
3 out of 5 seasons w/ 16 games played isn't enough for you?
Hue G
Footballguy
Any Bengals player - Rudy, Housh, CJ, Palmer all going to high for my taste don't like injuries and team instability Perry may be a decent pick if taken late enough
Vernon David - increasingly seeming like more of a workout warrior than a football player
Rookie RBs - In most cases seem to be over valued, we can call it the AD effect
Roy Williams - Will be playing 2nd fiddle to Calvin and he's being taken pretty high
Of course if any of these players fall to an appropriate spot in my drafts I may be inclined to take them
Vernon David - increasingly seeming like more of a workout warrior than a football player
Rookie RBs - In most cases seem to be over valued, we can call it the AD effect
Roy Williams - Will be playing 2nd fiddle to Calvin and he's being taken pretty high
Of course if any of these players fall to an appropriate spot in my drafts I may be inclined to take them
FFdork
Footballguy
If this thread lasts long enough, every player on the board will make the list. More reasoning on why people will be overvalued would be helpful.
I'm letting Brady and Manning pass me bye. Although I think both will play week 1 (esp. Brady), both could also get off to a slow start.
Brady in the first round makes me nervous--I think they may run the ball a lot more to try to slow down the pass rush. He'll still be great, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him throw for more like 30-35 TDs.
Manning has more serious injury concerns, may have lost his center, and his security blanket (Harrison) may or may not return to form.
I'd still take either one at the right value, but that hasn't happened in any of my drafts so far.
I'm letting Brady and Manning pass me bye. Although I think both will play week 1 (esp. Brady), both could also get off to a slow start.
Brady in the first round makes me nervous--I think they may run the ball a lot more to try to slow down the pass rush. He'll still be great, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him throw for more like 30-35 TDs.
Manning has more serious injury concerns, may have lost his center, and his security blanket (Harrison) may or may not return to form.
I'd still take either one at the right value, but that hasn't happened in any of my drafts so far.
I'd gladly take those 4 players as my 1-4 round picks in a league with you and tan your hide.
As much as I hate saying it (Packer fan), I'm avoiding the Packers offense. I think they'll be good but wildly inconsistent, so unless you have the players to pick up the slack, I would stay away from them. There's going to be handful of games where the offense is going to need every ounce of effort from that defense and other games where the stud offensive player is gonna change every week. One week it may Ryan Grant, another it might be Jennings, and another it might Brandon Jackson, while the rest of the players dont amount for much. Even though Rodgers has been in the system for a couple of years, I think he's going to play the "don't lose" quarterback role.
I would also avoid all the Bengals offensive players. I think they all take a dip and are most likely very inconsistent as well. That team is just ready to implode.
I would also avoid all the Bengals offensive players. I think they all take a dip and are most likely very inconsistent as well. That team is just ready to implode.
massraider
Footballguy
I'm done drafting, and here's the guys I stayed away from:
Willie Parker: Having the half of the RB committee without the goalline carries is no bueno. I am thinking I may have overreacted a bit, and I think the reports of his demise might be greatly exaggerated, but he went early either way, so I am not feeling bad about it.
Rashard Mendenhall: I took Matt Forte over him in a keeper draft last weekend, which would have been unthinkable two months ago. But I am nervous about his prospects.
Titans WR: I am not a believer in Vince as a passer ("He is just a winner!!"), and after with Alge, C. Johnson, and 15 WRs named Williams fighting for Vince's 12 TD passes this year, I am not impressed. At ANY price. Someone will be draftable, probably Justin Gage, but I like other lottery ticket guys better.
Matt Hasselback: I'd do it as part of a QBBC, but he's been going top 6 or 7. nervous about his WR corps, and his running game to take pressure off.
Rudi Johnson: Drinking the Chris Perry Kool-Aid.
Frank Gore: Just too many questions.
Willie Parker: Having the half of the RB committee without the goalline carries is no bueno. I am thinking I may have overreacted a bit, and I think the reports of his demise might be greatly exaggerated, but he went early either way, so I am not feeling bad about it.
Rashard Mendenhall: I took Matt Forte over him in a keeper draft last weekend, which would have been unthinkable two months ago. But I am nervous about his prospects.
Titans WR: I am not a believer in Vince as a passer ("He is just a winner!!"), and after with Alge, C. Johnson, and 15 WRs named Williams fighting for Vince's 12 TD passes this year, I am not impressed. At ANY price. Someone will be draftable, probably Justin Gage, but I like other lottery ticket guys better.
Matt Hasselback: I'd do it as part of a QBBC, but he's been going top 6 or 7. nervous about his WR corps, and his running game to take pressure off.
Rudi Johnson: Drinking the Chris Perry Kool-Aid.
Frank Gore: Just too many questions.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Of couse I would pick any of these guys if the price was right but at their ADP they are just a little too spicey for me in various ways...
Carson Palmer-I had him last year and he was really inconsistent. I would rather wait a couple rounds and grab Cutler or McNabb.
Randy Moss-He had a career year and one of the best years ever at WR. From where he is being drafted he needs to have a year similar (around 15 TDs) to get value in my opinion and I don't know about that happening.
Willie Parker-I think this one will be a RBBC by years end.
Jason Witten-Same as Moss, a great TE that is going a little too high for my liking. I would rather wait for Vernon Davis four rounds later.
Gregg Jennings-In the Packers offense I think DD will be the main recieving threat this year. It is tough to replicate TDs from year to year and that was Jennings thing last year.
Chicago and SD Def-Besides Minny I wouldn't reach for a defense this year, too many question marks everywhere.
Carson Palmer-I had him last year and he was really inconsistent. I would rather wait a couple rounds and grab Cutler or McNabb.
Randy Moss-He had a career year and one of the best years ever at WR. From where he is being drafted he needs to have a year similar (around 15 TDs) to get value in my opinion and I don't know about that happening.
Willie Parker-I think this one will be a RBBC by years end.
Jason Witten-Same as Moss, a great TE that is going a little too high for my liking. I would rather wait for Vernon Davis four rounds later.
Gregg Jennings-In the Packers offense I think DD will be the main recieving threat this year. It is tough to replicate TDs from year to year and that was Jennings thing last year.
Chicago and SD Def-Besides Minny I wouldn't reach for a defense this year, too many question marks everywhere.
thehornet
Footballguy
***MY List***
Brady- Although he says the foot is "fine" i want to see it before i take him 6th overall. '
Jamal Lewis
Marques Colston- Offense will be better but he's VERY inconsistent...better options/value available
Willis McGahee- Don't trust his knee for a second.
Laurence Maroney- Looked AWFUL in preseason. New England will give PLENTY of carries to Morris.
Wes Welker- Just don't think he is worth a 4th round pick...especially when Megatron will most likley be there.
Thats what i got off the top of my head..
Brady- Although he says the foot is "fine" i want to see it before i take him 6th overall. '
Jamal Lewis
Marques Colston- Offense will be better but he's VERY inconsistent...better options/value available
Willis McGahee- Don't trust his knee for a second.
Laurence Maroney- Looked AWFUL in preseason. New England will give PLENTY of carries to Morris.
Wes Welker- Just don't think he is worth a 4th round pick...especially when Megatron will most likley be there.
Thats what i got off the top of my head..
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
LJ- Seems I can get almost the same player in the exact same situation around pic 40. That would be Turner
Willie Parker - Fast RBs need good OLines, which Pit does not have. I see Mendenhall getting the majority of carries before the year ends.
Derek Anderson - Teams have a full season of tape on him, and nobody is taking Cleveland lightly this year.
Clinton Portis - Overworked last year, Redskins won't be using their RB as a blocker much anymore.
Anyone from Cincinnati - Just a bad situation over there
Derek Anderson - Teams have a full season of tape on him, and nobody is taking Cleveland lightly this year.
Clinton Portis - Overworked last year, Redskins won't be using their RB as a blocker much anymore.
Anyone from Cincinnati - Just a bad situation over there
thehornet
Footballguy
Week Date Opp Rec Yds TD 1 Sep 6 @ IND 6 47 0
2 Sep 16 @ TAM 8 70 1
3 Sep 24 TEN 4 68 0
4 bye
5 Oct 7 CAR 4 31 0
6 Oct 14 @ SEA 1 2 1
7 Oct 21 ATL 3 45 0
8 Oct 28 @ SFO 8 85 3
9 Nov 4 JAC 10 159 0
10 Nov 11 STL 8 129 16.1 0
11 Nov 18 @ HOU 9 118 0
12 Nov 25 @ CAR 7 93 1
13 Dec 2 TAM 2 39 0
14 Dec 10 @ ATL 9 92 2
15 Dec 16 ARI 8 114 1
16 Dec 23 PHI 3 16 0
17 Dec 30 @ CHI 8 94 2
Total 98 1202 11
He had 3-4 bad games last year. Now, i play PPR so it may be different for you. However, I bet you can't find more than a couple WR's in the entire league that were as consistent as Colston last year. Go try!!
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
LJ - done
Ryan Grant - something doesn't feel right here - He will do just fine
McGahee - injury concernsI agree with you on that one
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Warpig
Footballguy
Gore - same reasons everyone else has. I don't trust Martz and suspect he'll be coaching the college ranks soon.
Steven Jackson - Has their O-line gotten any better? No Bruce and Holt is another year older. Bulger stinks.
Lee Evans - I just don't like the QB sitch there and he's very inconsistent. I had Evans last year and he was so nonproductive that I got tired of holding onto hope and dropped him. HOWEVER, as much as I didn't want him this year...I ended up with him. But when he's staring me in the face in the 10th round with the likes of Ben Obamanu and Michael Jenkins and players like that...I'd have to say it was the shark thing to do.
Braylon Edwards - The only reason I avoided him is because during the FF playoffs...it's cold in Ohio (see last year's blizzard). NO THANKS!
Steven Jackson - Has their O-line gotten any better? No Bruce and Holt is another year older. Bulger stinks.
Lee Evans - I just don't like the QB sitch there and he's very inconsistent. I had Evans last year and he was so nonproductive that I got tired of holding onto hope and dropped him. HOWEVER, as much as I didn't want him this year...I ended up with him. But when he's staring me in the face in the 10th round with the likes of Ben Obamanu and Michael Jenkins and players like that...I'd have to say it was the shark thing to do.
Braylon Edwards - The only reason I avoided him is because during the FF playoffs...it's cold in Ohio (see last year's blizzard). NO THANKS!
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You have to get to the playoffs in order to worry about blizzards.
Im not sure why anyone would take Deuce McAllister. Aaron Stecker and Pierre Thomas have a lot more juice in their legs, and the Saints replaced Deuce with Stecker on third down and at the goal line in the 3rd preseason game. I'd probably just wait until the last round and take Stecker if I felt the need to handcuff someone to Reggie Bush, but then again, I wouldn't probably end up with Bush on my team except in a PPR anyway.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Do you think Gore is in a better or worse situation and with more or less talent than Kevin Jones? Because here are Jones' game logs in his first season under Martz, with Week number followed by fantasy point total.1 8.02 8.23 18.54 21.75 5.06 22.37 20.39 26.010 11.511 0.813 14.214 12.4
thehornet
Footballguy
Gore is going to be an absolute PIG this year. People are going to witness one the great seasons for a Fantasy RB.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
LenDale White - Some guys you just don't like. Plus there's Chris Johnson.
Lee Evans (unless you get him at a great price) - Never underestimate the value of a good QB when evaluating a fantasy WR. I don't like the Buf QBs.
Any Balt WR - QB is a mess. Stay far far away if you know what's good for you.
Chad Johnson - Not a good bet to be around when the playoffs start
Willie Parker - Unless you get him at a great price. Those who think RM won't make an impact are either stupid or FWP owners in denial.
Any Jag WR - Not a great group here, plus Jax likes to run the ball mostly
Any Tenn WR - Ugly WRs, plus a QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
Brandon Marshall -I don't trust him staying out of trouble, and you can't get him late. For the most part let someone else spend a high pick on him.
Any KC WR #2 - Bowe and Gonzo will own the passing game in KC.
Any Oak receiver/te not named Zach Miller or Curry. Russell isn't there yet.
Antonio Gates - Let someone else spend a high pick on him. The injury is just too scary for me.
Any Cowboys WR #2 - Romo almost looks exclusively toward TO and Witten. When he's not, they're running the ball. Plus they will throw it to F Jones some.
Any Bears WR - Are you sold on Orton? I guess he could surprise.
Greg Jennings (except in dynasty) - Rodgers may be great, but I have to see it before I invest a good pick on Jennings in a redraft league.
Any MN WR not named Sidney Rice - It's the Peterson and Taylor show for the most part. I'm not sold on Jackson as a passer yet.
Deuce McAllister - See Bloom's post
Frank Gore - Do you really believe Mike Martz will run the ball enough to make Gore an elite back?
Lee Evans (unless you get him at a great price) - Never underestimate the value of a good QB when evaluating a fantasy WR. I don't like the Buf QBs.
Any Balt WR - QB is a mess. Stay far far away if you know what's good for you.
Chad Johnson - Not a good bet to be around when the playoffs start
Willie Parker - Unless you get him at a great price. Those who think RM won't make an impact are either stupid or FWP owners in denial.
Any Jag WR - Not a great group here, plus Jax likes to run the ball mostly
Any Tenn WR - Ugly WRs, plus a QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
Brandon Marshall -I don't trust him staying out of trouble, and you can't get him late. For the most part let someone else spend a high pick on him.
Any KC WR #2 - Bowe and Gonzo will own the passing game in KC.
Any Oak receiver/te not named Zach Miller or Curry. Russell isn't there yet.
Antonio Gates - Let someone else spend a high pick on him. The injury is just too scary for me.
Any Cowboys WR #2 - Romo almost looks exclusively toward TO and Witten. When he's not, they're running the ball. Plus they will throw it to F Jones some.
Any Bears WR - Are you sold on Orton? I guess he could surprise.
Greg Jennings (except in dynasty) - Rodgers may be great, but I have to see it before I invest a good pick on Jennings in a redraft league.
Any MN WR not named Sidney Rice - It's the Peterson and Taylor show for the most part. I'm not sold on Jackson as a passer yet.
Deuce McAllister - See Bloom's post
Frank Gore - Do you really believe Mike Martz will run the ball enough to make Gore an elite back?
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gman74
Footballguy
To be honest I am a big KJ fan. KJ just could not stay healthy. KJ had speed and power.As far as Gore goes I do not believe that he is a top 5 RB or have top 5 talent. Frisco also has other disadvantages namely they are using Detroit's Emergency QB from last year as their starting QB. Frisco's receivers are not even close to the same caliber as Roy and Calvin. If I am a defense And see JT at QB with those receivers after I wipe my mouth I will proceed to walk up to stack the line.
thehornet
Footballguy
you do realize Alex Smith was there last year. Believe me, O'Sullivan is better. And MUCH more mobile.
-baller
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
There is a total misconception about Martz, sure he's pass happy and your RBs won't see 300+ carries but no one, and I mean no one, runs the ball more inside the 5 yard line than Mad Mike Martz. Since his days as an offensive coordinator he has called run plays over 60% of the time when inside the 5 yard line. So his teams may finish last in rushing attempts but they will finish above average in rushing TDs. Also Gore a much more dynamic back than Kevin Jones, like Jones, Gore is an excellent receiver, which Martz loves out of the backfield, and Gore is a much better runner both inside and outside than Jones. Detroit was awful last year but they still managed 13 rushing TDs (8 for Jones), with their best back missing almost 6 games. Barring injury to Gore, San Fran could easily match and probably exceed that total. If he plays 16 games Gore's floor is around 1,000 yards rushing and another 350 receiving with 9 rushing TDs. Considering what I feel to be the talent difference between Gore & Jones I see these as very conservative numbers.
