Who was the best "Pure Thrower" at QB? (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

 

[dagogrease]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

 

[Gr00vus]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

That would depend on how you feel about reading defenses as being a requisite for being a great QB, obviously.It didn't seem to slow him down much, that's for certain. I for one think he is a great QB (though as I said before I voted for Moon in this poll, and there are a few other QBs I like better than him as all time greats).

 

[marinolives13]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

You are killing yourself with your analysis! Yeah, he couldn't read defenses, he is not Favre! Mr Interception. Nice response, but you have never answer any questions anyway.

 

[marinolives13]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

That would depend on how you feel about reading defenses as being a requisite for being a great QB, obviously.It didn't seem to slow him down much, that's for certain. I for one think he is a great QB (though as I said before I voted for Moon in this poll, and there are a few other QBs I like better than him as all time greats).

I can respect this post, he doesn't think Marino's the best but He does think he is great!

 

[dagogrease]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

That would depend on how you feel about reading defenses as being a requisite for being a great QB, obviously.It didn't seem to slow him down much, that's for certain. I for one think he is a great QB (though as I said before I voted for Moon in this poll, and there are a few other QBs I like better than him as all time greats).

I definitely agree there are QBs better....and I agree that does not make Marino any less than a great QB

 

[pettifogger]

The poll list is heavily weighted to more recent players but Jurgensen's the clear choice.

In order for anyone to say this I would expect for that person to have seen him play through the majority of this career. For that to happen they would have had to have been at least 20 years old in 1960 putting them currently in their late 60s. I'm guessing that isn't very likely. With that said, how can we realistically expect Jurgenson to be the "clear choice"?

Where did you come up with that criteria? Jurgensen's career lasted until 1974, and I saw him on TV in games and the NFL weekly films from about 1967 (when I was 9) on. That's an 8 season sample although he was backing up Kilmer some of the seasons toward the end. We're not talking about who's the best QB here, a question that takes into account a lot of other considerarions. Here the question was

Best Pure Thrower

I'll define it this way. Picture a QB with a cannon, who makes all of his throws look effortless. Picture a crisp delivery culminating in a beautiful, textbook spiral. Picture a QB who can roll out of bed at 4:00 in the morning, and still stick a 20-yard out pattern between the receivers' numbers.

To me, he's the clear choice of everyone I have seen. Elway's second. Everybody else is far behind.

 

[H.K.]

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Marino was a great passing QB, not a great QB....big difference. It's why he never won it all. He had some flaws in his game. His career YPC of .28 made the entire offense easier to defend. Never a threat to run, he was a sitting duck. Everyone will pile on and say he had a "quick release" and rarely got sacked, true, but he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of his immobility. He had the advantage of having two of the best coaches who ever lived and still could not win a ring. It wasn't the defenses fault either because Marino had the number one defense in PA twice in his career and several others that were top 10 in that category, as well.

 

[dagogrease]

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Marino was a great passing QB, not a great QB....big difference. It's why he never won it all. He had some flaws in his game. His career YPC of .28 made the entire offense easier to defend. Never a threat to run, he was a sitting duck. Everyone will pile on and say he had a "quick release" and rarely got sacked, true, but he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of his immobility. He had the advantage of having two of the best coaches who ever lived and still could not win a ring. It wasn't the defenses fault either because Marino had the number one defense in PA twice in his career and several others that were top 10 in that category, as well.

I just needed someone to explain their position.I agree he had flaws but so does every other QB who has played this game. My opinion the great ones find ways to overcome those flaws and Marino did that with a quick release. I cannot say that I agree with you that he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of that though.I would disagree also with Jimmy Johnson being one of the greatest coaches who ever lived. I tend to think he was one of the most overrated but that's just my opinion. You need some type of running game to win the Super Bowl and Marino never had that. By the end of his career when he did have a great defense he was not the same QB.That being said, everyone has their opinion and it is mine that he was a great QB.

 

[H.K.]

I agree he had flaws but so does every other QB who has played this game. My opinion the great ones find ways to overcome those flaws and Marino did that with a quick release. I cannot say that I agree with you that he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of that though.I would disagree also with Jimmy Johnson being one of the greatest coaches who ever lived. I tend to think he was one of the most overrated but that's just my opinion. You need some type of running game to win the Super Bowl and Marino never had that. By the end of his career when he did have a great defense he was not the same QB.That being said, everyone has their opinion and it is mine that he was a great QB.

I'd have to think about where I'd rank Marino all-time, and he'd be on the list somewhere, he's pretty far back of the guys with all-around games (Montana/Young/Favre/Brady/P.Manning/Staubach, etc.). But he's near or at the top of those without rings.

 

[switz]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Fine! Marino was a very limited QB, and he limited his team. He put the defense in bad positions because he couldn't sustain drives because he was immobile and took sacks that he didn't need to take. He threw INTs because he couldn't sidestep pressure. He was one dimensional.He had an awful time reading defenses, and didn't adapt his play to offset opponents strengths very well.

He didn't inspire his teammates to step up their play either. IIRC, some of his teammates even commented that they didn't like playing with him.

He had two SuperBowl HOF calibre coaches, but they coudln't win with him because his limitations hindered the team to much.

Great arm, nice spirals, no intangibles. Great passer, not a great QB.

 

[marinolives13]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Fine! Marino was a very limited QB, and he limited his team. He put the defense in bad positions because he couldn't sustain drives because he was immobile and took sacks that he didn't need to take. He threw INTs because he couldn't sidestep pressure. He was one dimensional.He had an awful time reading defenses, and didn't adapt his play to offset opponents strengths very well.

He didn't inspire his teammates to step up their play either. IIRC, some of his teammates even commented that they didn't like playing with him.

He had two SuperBowl HOF calibre coaches, but they coudln't win with him because his limitations hindered the team to much.

Great arm, nice spirals, no intangibles. Great passer, not a great QB.

Immobile? he took less sacks than elway, montana, favre etc. He had the best footwork of any qb ever alot defensive ends such as bruce smith said so. ! Wow one coach who didn't draft and another coach who still wanted to be on his sail boat. Please link some these teamates that didn't like to play with when hof's like Lawrence Taylor and Jerry Rice have said they would have love to play with him.

Long posts, no clue, no facts, not a great poster! Have you watched football?

 

[marinolives13]

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Marino was a great passing QB, not a great QB....big difference. It's why he never won it all. He had some flaws in his game. His career YPC of .28 made the entire offense easier to defend. Never a threat to run, he was a sitting duck. Everyone will pile on and say he had a "quick release" and rarely got sacked, true, but he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of his immobility. He had the advantage of having two of the best coaches who ever lived and still could not win a ring. It wasn't the defenses fault either because Marino had the number one defense in PA twice in his career and several others that were top 10 in that category, as well.

He actually had great footwork and just moved around in the pocket. Jimmy Johnson is not a hof coach, he took away weapons on offense and drafted terrible. Remember John avery, JJ johnson, cecil collins, rob konrad, yatil green. Also trading down and not drafting randy moss because Jimmy said he couldn't run routes! Nice Job Jimmy! His defenses allowed The fewest points twice in his career 83 and 98. They never were ranked #1 as a total defense usually in the twenties. Football is the biggest team sport and he never had a team like Elway,Montana, favre, and Aikman. I guess next thing you are going to say is Barry Sanders was a great runner, but not a great running back.

 

[H.K.]

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Marino was a great passing QB, not a great QB....big difference. It's why he never won it all. He had some flaws in his game. His career YPC of .28 made the entire offense easier to defend. Never a threat to run, he was a sitting duck. Everyone will pile on and say he had a "quick release" and rarely got sacked, true, but he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of his immobility. He had the advantage of having two of the best coaches who ever lived and still could not win a ring. It wasn't the defenses fault either because Marino had the number one defense in PA twice in his career and several others that were top 10 in that category, as well.

He actually had great footwork and just moved around in the pocket. Jimmy Johnson is not a hof coach, he took away weapons on offense and drafted terrible. Remember John avery, JJ johnson, cecil collins, rob konrad, yatil green. Also trading down and not drafting randy moss because Jimmy said he couldn't run routes! Nice Job Jimmy! His defenses allowed The fewest points twice in his career 83 and 98. They never were ranked #1 as a total defense usually in the twenties. Football is the biggest team sport and he never had a team like Elway,Montana, favre, and Aikman. I guess next thing you are going to say is Barry Sanders was a great runner, but not a great running back.

Now that you mention it, Sanders had some major flaws in his game which hurt his team, too. That is why he is the all time leader in yards lost rushing. It was his style that put his team in a hole.....heck, he got pulled at the goal line because he was such a liability with his backtracking. He was great for highlight films, but any coach would take an RB that gets at 2 yards minimum but a max of 8 yards per each carry, than take a guy who has 19 carries for 10 yards and one carry for 90....both RB's end the day with 20 rushes for 100 yards, but the consistent grinder is the one who helps his team win.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Fact, Favre will never be remembered for being better than Marino(unless you're Madden).

OR unless you're a knowledgable fan. Favre made his team better, he was a QB, a leader. Marino was a great passer, not a great QB.

This is lunacy...Marino consistently won with mediocrity surrounding him. Favre had better RB's and a much better defense. Favre's picks put his team in a lot of holes. Favre did have some great years, but I find it hard to believe if you could put a QB on your team you would choose Favre over Marino.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Fact, Favre will never be remembered for being better than Marino(unless you're Madden).

OR unless you're a knowledgable ]packers or madden fan. Favre made his team better, he was a QB, a leader. Marino was a great passer, not a great QB.

Marino was not a great qb, Yeah okay! I ve watched both their entire careers, and 7 times out of 10 people will pick Marino over Favre, sorry but its a fact. Favre also made his team worse, remember his 6 ints on the playoffs. Desmond howard and reggie white were the best players for the packers in the super bowl. The packers always had a running game whether it was levens or green putting up good numbers to take pressure off Favre, because when they relied on him too much(2005 season 29 ints) he forces passes and makes too many mistakes. I think favre is great, but falls short of the top five qb, but definetly makes the top ten. As far as knowledge, saying Marino is not a great QB IS A JOKE! Marino's 147 wins was just him getting lucky I would consider that GREAT! Obviously you are not that knowledgable, because favre always had great teams check it out. I think he was leader and a great Qb, but he never carried his team like Marino.

#1 I'm as unbiased as they come, I'm neither a Packers nor Miami fan. You obviously are terribly biased, just look at your screen name. #2 I've watched both their careers as well

#3 7 out of 10 is out of butt.

#4 Favre turned the Packers around from being losers. He had great teams because he made the players around him better. Marino didn't which is why they always fell short.

#5 Marino was not even close to the best QB in his class, much less ever...

Switz, I can only say yI think you are wrong. Neither Favre or Marino play defense and Favre's defenses were very good, Marino's were weak. Marino never had any good RB. Anyway, the key is that when teams played Miami they started games in Nickel and Dime packages in trying to stop Dan. With favre teams couldn;t do that because they could run it down your throats if they did it. While the Avatar showed "marinolives" is a homer, he is spot on when he says Favre is not in the top 5 of QB's but is probably in the top 10, Marino should be in anyone's top 5. Marino elevated the players around him and was one of the most intense competitors I have ever seen. He carried his OFFENSE on his back many times only to see the defense let up a late TD or scoring drive.

I can't say anymore, but I would be interested in a poll to see who the SP thinks is better Favre or Marino. My money would be on Marino.

 

[Kleck]

Where did you come up with that criteria? Jurgensen's career lasted until 1974, and I saw him on TV in games and the NFL weekly films from about 1967 (when I was 9) on. That's an 8 season sample although he was backing up Kilmer some of the seasons toward the end.

We'll have to disagree. I don't think a 9 year old has the first clue what to look for when analyzing a quarterbacks throwing capabilities. Further, you caught the extreme tail end of his career during your adolescence. I have little doubt you saw his team play a lot, but I doubt seriously you were able to give objective views of his abilities as that age.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Marino was a great passing QB, not a great QB....big difference. It's why he never won it all. He had some flaws in his game. His career YPC of .28 made the entire offense easier to defend. Never a threat to run, he was a sitting duck. Everyone will pile on and say he had a "quick release" and rarely got sacked, true, but he threw poor passes and incompletions as a result of his immobility. He had the advantage of having two of the best coaches who ever lived and still could not win a ring. It wasn't the defenses fault either because Marino had the number one defense in PA twice in his career and several others that were top 10 in that category, as well.

HK, you are something else. It is why he didn't win it all. I will say this one more time for all the "young'ns" who just don't seem to have a clue...YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD TEAM AROUND YOU TO WIN IT ALL, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE BEST QB TO EVER PLAY THE GAME.Manning just won the SB because his defense really stepped up in the postseason. He also had a running attack which did an excellent job (that includes the OL). Name one QB who carried a poor performance by his entire team to a SB win. The answer is none and will always be none. You simply can't win 3 games with your team around you stinking.

 

[chris1969]

The making it look effortless thing made it a toss-up between Moon and Marino for me, I went for Moon.

 

[pettifogger]

Where did you come up with that criteria? Jurgensen's career lasted until 1974, and I saw him on TV in games and the NFL weekly films from about 1967 (when I was 9) on. That's an 8 season sample although he was backing up Kilmer some of the seasons toward the end.

We'll have to disagree. I don't think a 9 year old has the first clue what to look for when analyzing a quarterbacks throwing capabilities. Further, you caught the extreme tail end of his career during your adolescence. I have little doubt you saw his team play a lot, but I doubt seriously you were able to give objective views of his abilities as that age.

He went to the Pro Bowl in 1967 and 1969 and played in a lot of prominent games right up until the end. Despite his paunch he was still able to throw the prettiest pass in the league. Remember this was the George Allen era Skins where they traded draft picks for veterans in a "win now" mode every year. They were a network favorite, on TV a lot, because they had stars, were always in the running and had a national following. By 1972 we had Stratomatic football cards that kids like me basically memorized. We're not asking about some comprehensive evaluation of a variety of skills here. It's like asking who has the best fastball you have ever seen.

 

[switz]

Name one QB who carried a poor performance by his entire team to a SB win. The answer is none and will always be none. You simply can't win 3 games with your team around you stinking.

Tom Brady per Pats fans Regardless, I do have to agree that I can much more readily think of good teams with bad QBs that win, than bad teams with good QBs.I guess the question is how much blame goes to the QB if the team is bad? Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

 

[glock]

I dug up this post from the Greatest Single Game by a Player in Fantasy Football History thread. It is indicative of the kind of gunslinger/thrower game that Joe Namath posessed.

By the way, running the risk of being redundant- and who gives a crap!- Marino is often mentioned as the QB who posessed the quickest release of all time with Joe Namath second. Small wonder that Marino's early game was compared to his fellow Keystone state QB.

Enjoy:

Joe Namath's '72 game against the Colts and Johnny U:

Namath/496 yds(6 TDs) + Unitas/376 yds(2TDs) = NFL Record 872 combined passing yards

Linky

Boxscore

Jets 6 21 3 14 - 44

Colts 7 13 0 14 - 34

NYJ - Bell 65 pass from Namath (kick failed), 6:12.

Bal - Havrilak 40 pass from Unitas (O'Brien kick), 12:53.

Bal - O'Brien 14 field goal, 1:58.

Bal - O'Brien 32 field goal, 10:41.

NYJ - Riggins 67 pass from Namath (Howfield kick), 12:23.

Bal - McCauley 93 kickoff return (O'Brien kick), 12:47.

NYJ - Maynard 28 pass from Namath (Howfield kick), 13:23.

NYJ - Caster 10 pass from Namath (Howfield kick), 13:52.

NYJ - Howfield 14 field goal, 14:39.

Bal - McCauley 1 run (O'Brien kick), 6:55.

NYJ - Caster 79 pass from Namath (Howfield kick), 7:34.

Bal - Matte 21 pass from Unitas (O'Brien kick), 8:48.

NYJ - Caster 80 pass from Namath (Howfield kick), 9:36.

Att - 56,626.

TEAM STATISTICS NYJ Bal

First downs 19 28

Rushes-yards 25-83 27-80

Net passing yards 490 332

Total net yards 573 412

Passes 15-28-1 26-45-0

Sacked-yards 1-6 6-44

Punts-Avg. 3-43.3 5-45.0

Fumbles-lost 2-1 2-2

Penalties 10-78 5-55

INDIVIDUAL STATISTICS

RUSHING - New York: Riggins 21-87, Namath 1-1,

McLain 3-(-5).

Baltimore: Matte 9-42, Nottingham 16-35,

Unitas 1-2, McCauley 1-1.

PASSING - New York: Namath 15-28-1 - 496.

Baltimore: Unitas 26-45-0 - 376.

RECEIVING - New York: Bell 7-197, Caster 6-204,

Riggins 1-67, Maynard 1-28.

Baltimore: Matte 9-69, Mitchell 8-114,

Havrilak 4-115, Spreyer 3-57,

Nottingham 2-21.

...Namath threw for 3 TDs- wrapped around Colts turnovers/scores -in 89 seconds... and LATER hit Caster for 79 and 80 yd TD strikes on back to back offensive plays. Has to be up there.

 

[Rovers]

My list is Bert Jones, Namath and then Marino/Unitas. Before Jones got hurt, he was IMO easilly the best pure thrower I've ever seen play. I've read that he could launch a ball 100 yards. Perfect, I mean perfect spirals. His release was actually faster than Namath's or Marino.

 

[draino]

My list is Bert Jones, Namath and then Marino/Unitas. Before Jones got hurt, he was IMO easilly the best pure thrower I've ever seen play. I've read that he could launch a ball 100 yards. Perfect, I mean perfect spirals. His release was actually faster than Namath's or Marino.

Since I never saw Namath or Bert Jones play I can not tell you if their release wa quicker than marino'sI have heard that Bert Jones was definetely one of the best throwers, but I always hear that namath had quickest release back then but Marino came along and was faster . I wish they talked about and showed more of bert jones, injuries definetely derailed a hall of fame career and success for the colts after Unitas left for the chargers.

 

[Kayoh]

Did somebody say "Cannon arm"?

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Michael Vick.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Name one QB who carried a poor performance by his entire team to a SB win. The answer is none and will always be none. You simply can't win 3 games with your team around you stinking.

Tom Brady per Pats fans Regardless, I do have to agree that I can much more readily think of good teams with bad QBs that win, than bad teams with good QBs.I guess the question is how much blame goes to the QB if the team is bad? Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

I'm not a Pats fan and I do believe that what he said about needing a good surrounding cast is true. However if I had to pick one QB who did win the SB with the least, it would be Brady in 2001:24th ranked defenseA Smith, M Edwards, K Faulk, P Pass as RBs with significant carriesT Brown, F Coleman, C Johnson, and D Patten as only WRs with 5 or more games playedJ Wiggins leading TEs with 133 yards Coach before that season had one winning season and 5 losing onesHe did have a good kicker though And of course now its fashionable to look back and say how great Bellichick and that defense was.

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

Testeverde? He was a great QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers!

The thread is pure thrower not pure Qb. Teste had every throw. I laugh at the people who respond with Joe M.

Youre a silly person.Testeverde is garbage.Joe M is one of the finest ever to play the position.I cant believe I have to argue this.

 

[H.K.]

Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

There was a reason, too. He had an awesome team in 2005, almost unbeaten, and lost in the first round with HFA. The death of Dungy's son had to play a big factor IMO.Still, Manning was an all-world QB with everything going for him on both sides of the ball and was one and done as the #1 seed. Obviously, this year proved how great the Colts were as a team, because Manning played well in the post-season, but his 3 TD passes in four games vs. 7 Int's proved that he had a ton of talent around him. Manning got heat before because his team was awesome and his personal failure prevented it from winning.QB's with great stats but no titles deserve to be ripped. Why? They are surrounded by a team with a system and talent to get them great stats. Marino has all kinds of personal records, but he set them with 10 other guys on the field with him, (as well as two of the best coaches ever), and they never get a lick of credit for anything he accomplished. However, when Marino choked it up in the playoffs, it was always someone else's fault. Ridiculous.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Name one QB who carried a poor performance by his entire team to a SB win. The answer is none and will always be none. You simply can't win 3 games with your team around you stinking.

Tom Brady per Pats fans Regardless, I do have to agree that I can much more readily think of good teams with bad QBs that win, than bad teams with good QBs.I guess the question is how much blame goes to the QB if the team is bad? Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

Switz, the QB will usally get too much credit and too much blame by teh people who don't really "get it."

 

[Liquid Tension]

Name one QB who carried a poor performance by his entire team to a SB win. The answer is none and will always be none. You simply can't win 3 games with your team around you stinking.

Tom Brady per Pats fans Regardless, I do have to agree that I can much more readily think of good teams with bad QBs that win, than bad teams with good QBs.I guess the question is how much blame goes to the QB if the team is bad? Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

I'm not a Pats fan and I do believe that what he said about needing a good surrounding cast is true. However if I had to pick one QB who did win the SB with the least, it would be Brady in 2001:24th ranked defenseA Smith, M Edwards, K Faulk, P Pass as RBs with significant carriesT Brown, F Coleman, C Johnson, and D Patten as only WRs with 5 or more games playedJ Wiggins leading TEs with 133 yards Coach before that season had one winning season and 5 losing onesHe did have a good kicker though And of course now its fashionable to look back and say how great Bellichick and that defense was.

The Pats defense in 2001 was ranked 6th in points allowed and the Pats offense was 6th in points scored. They were a solid team, but I would agree St. Louis was a better team that just happened to lose that one day.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Many many many have blamed Manning for the Colts set up.

There was a reason, too. He had an awesome team in 2005, almost unbeaten, and lost in the first round with HFA. The death of Dungy's son had to play a big factor IMO.Still, Manning was an all-world QB with everything going for him on both sides of the ball and was one and done as the #1 seed. Obviously, this year proved how great the Colts were as a team, because Manning played well in the post-season, but his 3 TD passes in four games vs. 7 Int's proved that he had a ton of talent around him. Manning got heat before because his team was awesome and his personal failure prevented it from winning.QB's with great stats but no titles deserve to be ripped. Why? They are surrounded by a team with a system and talent to get them great stats. Marino has all kinds of personal records, but he set them with 10 other guys on the field with him, (as well as two of the best coaches ever), and they never get a lick of credit for anything he accomplished. However, when Marino choked it up in the playoffs, it was always someone else's fault. Ridiculous.

HK = not smart

 

[pizzatyme]

Mine came down to a choice between 2. Jeff George and Warren Moon.

I went with George simply because I played HS fottball with him. We were teammates and he was simply amazing. He could hit the goalpost from the 50 with regularity.

I do not like JG at all, besides the throwing ability, btw.

 

[crewmember]

Don't think a cannon is necessary, best pure thrower... Chad Pennington

 

[TheGreatest]

Don't think a cannon is necessary, best pure thrower... Chad Pennington

Serious comments only please.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Don't think a cannon is necessary, best pure thrower... Chad Pennington

This is either a joke or Jet fan wearing green goggles.BTW, Pizzatyme mentioned Jeff George could hit the goal posts in terms of great accuracy and I wanted to bring up the difference between practice and the real game. What really separates QB's in live action is the ability to deliver when under pressure (standing in pocket knowing you will get creamed and continuing when you are under pressure). It should be obvious that QB's get "dumber" or play worse when they are under constant pressure or getting hit a lot.

 

[Raider Nation]

Mine came down to a choice between 2. Jeff George and Warren Moon.I went with George simply because I played HS fottball with him. We were teammates and he was simply amazing. He could hit the goalpost from the 50 with regularity.I do not like JG at all, besides the throwing ability, btw.

Did you sport the same mullet that George had? Please be honest.

 

[pizzatyme]

Mine came down to a choice between 2. Jeff George and Warren Moon.I went with George simply because I played HS fottball with him. We were teammates and he was simply amazing. He could hit the goalpost from the 50 with regularity.I do not like JG at all, besides the throwing ability, btw.

Did you sport the same mullet that George had? Please be honest.

honestly, no. But that is too funny! He and I never got along. I wasn't one of the inner circle. He and Jason Whitlock on the other hand...

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

I voted favre but myself deserve a nomination.

With the bears, pack, cleveland, Pittsburgh most notbaly and preseason detroit, no one had more touch than I did. I didnt have the best arm, but its not the size of your biceps its what you do with them and where you place the ball.

 

[Liquid Tension]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

Marino never said that he never learned how to read a defense!

 

[Rovers]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

Marino never said that he never learned how to read a defense!

He doesn't know how to pronounce "Morency" either. Since I've seen him live (as opposed to that now putrid HBO Inside the NFL) he seems to be one heck of a dumb summaofabeach.

 

[chris1969]

[[ So marino winning 147 games is because he was a great passer, not leader or a great quarterback? I would like you to post a thread saying Marino was not a great quarterback and see what response you receive. Please do not put trent green in any class with marino. So you can get in the HOF w/o being a great qb , All you have to do is be a great passer Reading defenses and winning games have nothing to do with being a great qb. I'm getting tired od responding to someone who hasn't said what it takes to be a great qb. Marino was the best pure thrower, and also a great qb!

I thought after he retired Marino admitted he never learned to read a defense.

Yep. But don't let that determine how good a QB he was or not.

Please stop this. Anyone who does not believe Dan Marino was a great QB needs to explain it other than he did not win a Super Bowl.

Admitting you never learned to read a defense seems relevant and yet has nothing to do with the Super Bowl.

Even if he said that, does that not make him a great QB?

Marino never said that he never learned how to read a defense!

The poll question was who was the best pure passer. I picked Moon over Marino. I take Jeff George 3rd and Peyton Manning 4th.As far as being the most complete QB I'd take Manning first and Marino second and then a bunch of guys who hit the hall of fame a while ago. Marino might have been an uncoordinated statue in the backfield, but if he couldn't read defenses, he would have been killed by a DE before the end of his second season.

 

[Barry]

Testeverde? He was a great QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers!

The thread is pure thrower not pure Qb. Teste had every throw. I laugh at the people who respond with Joe M.

Youre a silly person.Testeverde is garbage.Joe M is one of the finest ever to play the position.I cant believe I have to argue this.

read post #1. the part in the red.(I think I might be getting reeled in.)

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

Not!

 

[ozark]

Sammy Baugh. Do you think that the QB's also listed with Mr Baugh could throw a spiral with the ball (the shape) that was used by QB Baugh ? Do you think that some guys just watch the highlights on ESPN ? Wonder if any can think beyound the TV. Do not see the point of this to begin with. The perfect passer ? come on, Warner was the best for three years and do not think he knew what 'spiral' was.

Bobby Layne where are you ?

 

[buster c]

kyle "cornholer" Boller down?

 

[Irish]

David Klingler

 

[Fear The Turtle]

Sonny J., no question. And, yes, I did see him play.

 

[Koya]

Vinny Testaverde, in practice.

 

[jurb26]

I think the best pass I've ever seen a QB play was one that Marino threw when he was at Pitt. It must have been an 80 yd laser that was as tight a spiral as I've ever seen.

I voted for Moon however in the poll. He just seemed to throw the prettiest passes I can remember. I'm not surprised that Marino is winning the poll though. It was a tough decision for me.

 

[BigRed]

Serious comments only please.

Did you see the choices and how the votes are going? "Serious" blew by here a long time ago.