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MelvinTScupper
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in the first season....assuming veteran is healthy?
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ceo3west
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Just guessing - Travis Henry / Willis McGahee?
McGahee was in his 2nd year...that's a tough one...of course, Chester will be losing his.
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MelvinTScupper
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and there we are.I don't think so.
Keith Lewis
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Chester Taylor to AP.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Robert Edwards?
Not sure if he was replaced by a rookie...
Not sure if he was replaced by a rookie...
Mike Anderson to Clinton Portis...does it matter whether it is before the season starts or during?
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MelvinTScupper
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1 legged guys don't count
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MelvinTScupper
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That's a good one.Edit to add> actually, Anderson had 1500 in 2000, then in 01 dropped to 678 before Portis came in in 2002. I think that was the year they had Terrell Davis healthy for part of the season.
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MelvinTScupper
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lolOk, so we're still at ZERO.Robert Smith replaced by Michael Bennett
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
A technicality, but Marshall Faulk put up 2300+ yards in '98, "lost his job" to Edge via trade to STL
mozzy84
Footballguy
why is that? Because he's a vet? Peterson can and will do everything better than taylor and will be starting for the vikes this year, maybe not the first week but its going to happen.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Legitimately, the closest one I can find so far is Cleveland Gary in '92 (1,418 yds) replaced by Jerome Bettis in '93. Gary played 15 games in '93 (i.e. not injured) and amassed 582 total yards to Bettis' 1,673 total yards.
Granted, it's not quite 1,500 yards, but I would declare this as a precedent.
Still looking for others.
ETA: Only other close one I see also happened in 92/93 - Earnest Byner (1,336 in '92, 299 yards in 16 games in '93) replaced by the immortal Reggie Brooks
Granted, it's not quite 1,500 yards, but I would declare this as a precedent.
Still looking for others.
ETA: Only other close one I see also happened in 92/93 - Earnest Byner (1,336 in '92, 299 yards in 16 games in '93) replaced by the immortal Reggie Brooks
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What about that guy Maurice Smith who picked up for Jamal Anderson when he got hurt. I believe he lost the job to Warrick Dunn when they signed him...I am just not sure whether he had 1500 total yards.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
When was the last time a team had a 1500 yard RB and then used a top 10 draft pick on a RB?
UrlacherIsGod!
Footballguy
2004: Priest Holmes with 2,110 yards. Goes down and never heard from again because of that LJ guy.
LJ wasn't a rook
Chase is too fast for me.
Penguin
Footballguy
I think Scupper is trying to make the point that it has never happened and it won't happen this year either. I am of the thinking that AP & CT split the load for the first three weeks or so before Peterson takes over and Chester's touches week by week after that until the split is 80/20
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MelvinTScupper
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Top 10? Last year would probably be the last time a rookie RB was drafted despite having a RB who was both expected to be healthy and had produced 1500 yard season very recently. Why?LaDainian Tomlinson was the first RB chosen in 2001William Green was the first RB chosen in 2002Willis McGahee was the first RB chosen in 2003Steven Jackson was the first RB chosen in 2004Ronnie Brown was the first RB chosen in 2005Reggie Bush was the first RB chosen in 2006Only LT took the job and rushed for more than 1000 yards, and he replaced the powerhouse combo of Fletcher/Fazande.Falls a lot closer to the Ronnie Brown/SJax/McGahee argument. Don't look for AP to be your #1 or #2 RB until late in the season, if history proves to have ANY relevance.
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MelvinTScupper
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Thomas Jones didn't even have 1500 yards, and the Bears took a top 10 RB pick in the draft. How'd that go?
The Man with the Plan
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Michael Pittman had 1300 yards in 13 games in 2004. And he was suspended for the first 3 games so he would've went over 1500 yards had he played. It didn't matter because the Bucs still drafted Cadillac Williams 4th in the 2005 draft. They made him the starter pretty early in 05 training camp and he went on to win the ROTY award. So it has happened before. It goes both ways though.
Thomas Jones also had 1300 yards in 13 games in 2004 and the Chicago Bears still drafted Cedric Benson 5th in the 2005 draft. Unlike Cadillac Williams, Benson couldn't beat Thomas Jones. There was a lot of other stuff going on that I don't need to get into but in the end Thomas Jones was a stud in 05 and Cedric Benson was not.
Who knows what it means for Adrian Peterson. Usually rookie running backs have to wait their turn but if he's head and shoulders above Chester Taylor in training camp and pre-season there's no reason why he can't be the starter running back for the 2007 Minnesota Vikings.
Thomas Jones also had 1300 yards in 13 games in 2004 and the Chicago Bears still drafted Cedric Benson 5th in the 2005 draft. Unlike Cadillac Williams, Benson couldn't beat Thomas Jones. There was a lot of other stuff going on that I don't need to get into but in the end Thomas Jones was a stud in 05 and Cedric Benson was not.
Who knows what it means for Adrian Peterson. Usually rookie running backs have to wait their turn but if he's head and shoulders above Chester Taylor in training camp and pre-season there's no reason why he can't be the starter running back for the 2007 Minnesota Vikings.
Banger
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was just about to post the identical question.
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MelvinTScupper
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There was no reason that every RB I listed "couldn't be the starting running back" for their respective teams that season.so, Pittman didn't have 1500+ AND he was "suspended"
So it hasn't happened. Just checking.
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MelvinTScupper
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WHEW!!!, then I've already answered that question.was just about to post the identical question.
The Man with the Plan
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You keep harping on this 1500 yards like it's some magic number. Do you really think that an extra 200 yards by Michael Pittman would have kept the Bucs from drafting Cadillac Williams? Do you really think an extra 200 yards by Pittman would have kept Cadillac Williams on the bench in 2005? Williams proved himself to be the better running back and he got the job. But since he doesn't fit into your fine criteria it doesn't count? Whatever.If you think that Adrian Peterson won't be the starter because Chester Taylor is a better player right now, fine. Then say it. But I don't see how Chester Taylor having over 1500 yards has anything to do with anything. If Adrian Peterson proves himself to be the better player in training camp and the pre-season I doubt that Chester Taylor's "1504" yards will keep him out of the starting lineup.
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I think Pittman's suspension was probably a key reason they wanted another RB. You have to figure that TB didn't know if his ASSAULT charges, plus ramming his wife's car with his SUV had him as a stable producing individual. Your call there.That's not Chester Taylor. Childress didn't inherit this guy, he went a GOT him.
I'm not saying AP won't be the back of the future for the Vikes, I'm simply saying "don't overvalue this guy", as history has provent that these guys are great in year 2, not year 1. His ADP is higher than Taylor's BEFORE training camp. That's ####ing crazy.
Banger
Footballguy
You answered a question but not the one asked because the guys you chose were drafted as the 1st rb but not top 10 backs replacing 1500 yard backs. The backs you chose were taken 2001-5th, 2002-16th, 2003-23rd, 2004-24th, 2005-2nd (didn't add 4th and 5th picks), 2006-1st and of those none replaced veteran 1500+ yard producers. Each situation has to be taken on its own though and AP will be the back in Minn. It probably won't be to start the season but Taylor will lose his starting gig to AP next year. That being said I don't expect big #'s from either guy.WHEW!!!, then I've already answered that question.was just about to post the identical question.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
You misread his post. Pittman was suspened during the 2004 season (the same one he had 1300 yards in). The poster only brought that up to say that he likely would've gone for 1500 had he played those extra 3 games (his per game yardage was better than Chester's).He was NOT suspended nor injured in 2005 (Caddy's rookie year), yet he was basically an afterthought by the 1st snap of the season.
Interesting how much of a role perception plays in this. Pittman was just as effective as Chester the year before he was replaced yet no one thought for a second that he would be an issue for Caddy. Perhaps it has something to do with fans thinking the Vikes were getting Chester as a long-term solution a year ago, whether that was actually their intent or not.
Regardless, it's obvious you're despertae to make a point here, as evidenced by your complete hypocrisy within this thread, as follows:
There have been numerous examples with guys going for 1300-1400 yds (as if that extra 7 yards per game is really a difference maker here) and being replaced by a rookie the next year. There have also been examples of guys who were basically rookies (Mcgahee) and guys who lost their job within a couple seasons of going for 1500, yet you shrug them all off nonchalantly and sarcastically as not *exactly* what you asked. Yet, when someone challenges with the question of when the last time a team with a 1500 yard back picked a RB in the top 10 (the same question I was going to ask) you counter with some teams that picked guys in the top 10 that had a back go for 1500 yards RECENTLY.
So, just so I can be clear on your rules for this tread: Everyone else has to answer your question EXACTLY, but when posed with a question yourself you can bend and twist it however you want?
Just wantd to make sure I have a good understanding of how this little exercise is supposed to work.
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MelvinTScupper
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I know where they were taken. And if it isn't to start the season, then his ADP is too high. Of COURSE he's eventually going to win the job. I think it's later than you do, as evidenced by the last 8-10 years of history. But maybe I'm wrong and we DO have a Cadillac Williams situation here. AP would benefit from a very poor start for the Vikes, if they throw in the towel early.You answered a question but not the one asked because the guys you chose were drafted as the 1st rb but not top 10 backs replacing 1500 yard backs. The backs you chose were taken 2001-5th, 2002-16th, 2003-23rd, 2004-24th, 2005-2nd (didn't add 4th and 5th picks), 2006-1st and of those none replaced veteran 1500+ yard producers. Each situation has to be taken on its own though and AP will be the back in Minn. It probably won't be to start the season but Taylor will lose his starting gig to AP next year. That being said I don't expect big #'s from either guy.WHEW!!!, then I've already answered that question.was just about to post the identical question.
lions327
Footballguy
Why is that crazy? AP has supreme talent and it's just a matter of time before he takes over...and once the Vikings see him play, the time will not be long. I don't know one person who would draft Taylor ahead of AP. I know I sure wouldn't.
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In the last 10 years, how many first round running backs have replaced a 1300 yard producer in their rookie year and outperformed them (not including injuries)?The list is short.
Banger
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I agree that his ADP is too high but that is different issue than 1500 yard vets being replaced by rookies. Many FF'ers are too high on rookies and I usually don't end up having many/any on my roster except for the sleeper types I can get later. The Vikes passing attack is going to be the worst in the league so they are going to rely on running the ball A TON with both of these guys. The cream will eventually rise to the top though and Taylor's role will diminish.I know where they were taken. And if it isn't to start the season, then his ADP is too high. Of COURSE he's eventually going to win the job. I think it's later than you do, as evidenced by the last 8-10 years of history. But maybe I'm wrong and we DO have a Cadillac Williams situation here. AP would benefit from a very poor start for the Vikes, if they throw in the towel early.You answered a question but not the one asked because the guys you chose were drafted as the 1st rb but not top 10 backs replacing 1500 yard backs. The backs you chose were taken 2001-5th, 2002-16th, 2003-23rd, 2004-24th, 2005-2nd (didn't add 4th and 5th picks), 2006-1st and of those none replaced veteran 1500+ yard producers. Each situation has to be taken on its own though and AP will be the back in Minn. It probably won't be to start the season but Taylor will lose his starting gig to AP next year. That being said I don't expect big #'s from either guy.WHEW!!!, then I've already answered that question.was just about to post the identical question.
Warpig
Footballguy
Dear God...the AP/AD goggles make me sick. Last year it was Reggie Bush. Yeah...he really hampered Deuce's output.
Deuce had one of the best seasons of his career last year...WITH REGGIE BUSH!Now we have a similar situation with Adrian and Chester.Maybe it could end up like DeAngelo and DeShaun! Neither of them are worthy of a starting roster when they split carries.Minny didn't sign Chester to a starter's contract (though somewhat reasonable for a starting RB) to just bury him on the bench! Did you ever think they will get them both on the field ala Deuce and Reggie? Seemed to work for NO. I'd think that a smart franchise would try to showcase atleast some of the abilities of one of their RB's they may be trying to phase out so that they could get a good deal in a trade!You AD/AP backers need to open your eyes instead of peering at the world through AP/AD rose colored glasses! :Xdparker713
Footballguy
So is the list of RBs coming out in the past 10 years that rated higher than AP.
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MelvinTScupper
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I'll mark you down as one of the "glass is so damned full it's overflowing" types.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
As is the list of team's that spent a top 10 pick on a RB in spite of having a guy who went for 1500 the year before, in fact I don't believe the OP has given us one. Yet in a bizzare twist, it still happened this year.And incidentally, Minnesota wasn't the only team in that scenario many had pegged to do it this year.
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MelvinTScupper
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OF COURSE I HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU ONE, DUPA! I'm not the one who talked about a team taking a RB in the top 10 despite having a 1500 yard producer. You trying to tell me that if Deuce would have hung 1500 yards the year before and NO was in the same draft spot that they would have passed on Bush??? AP was by far the best player available at that point (he was supposed to be gone by 7, but the shoulder injury helped him fall), and as a semi-Vikings fan, was happy as hell they took him. We're talking fantasy football here. He will not supplant a 1500 yard producer. Reggie Bush didn't do it last year, and he was GOD!!! SJax didn't do it in StL, and Marshall Faulk was 107 years old. The only way AP is the #1 RB from the get-go in Minny is if Taylor gets hurt.
lions327
Footballguy
I really don't care about past drafts and those stats because it has nothing to do with this situation. The stats are meaningless because they don't account for the players and the teams situation. They don't account for talent either. A 4 letter word comes to mind:
S T U D
Peterson is a stud, Taylor is a decent player, he doesn't command the attention of the defense, he is good, but doesn't do anything great. He is not all that talented. The numbers by themselves don't always tell the whole story. The fact is he is just decent, while Peterson has stud written all over him. He will force defenses to account for him. That will instantly take pressure off of Tarvaris Jackson.
If you want to draft Taylor ahead of him, go ahead; I personally think that is insane.
Dear God...the AP/AD goggles make me sick. Last year it was Reggie Bush. Yeah...he really hampered Deuce's output.Deuce had one of the best seasons of his career last year...WITH REGGIE BUSH!Now we have a similar situation with Adrian and Chester.
Maybe it could end up like DeAngelo and DeShaun! Neither of them are worthy of a starting roster when they split carries.
Minny didn't sign Chester to a starter's contract (though somewhat reasonable for a starting RB) to just bury him on the bench!
Did you ever think they will get them both on the field ala Deuce and Reggie? Seemed to work for NO.
I'd think that a smart franchise would try to showcase atleast some of the abilities of one of their RB's they may be trying to phase out so that they could get a good deal in a trade!
You AD/AP backers need to open your eyes instead of peering at the world through AP/AD rose colored glasses!
What? In what universe did Deuce have one of his best seasons of his career?Other than his rookie season, where he was a backup to Ricky Williams, and 2005 where he played 5 games, last year was his WORST season of his career.
Considering that the 2006 Saints rivaled the 2002 Saints in scoring (#5 in the NFL vs. #3, 2003 and 2004 were #14 in the NFL in scoring), it isn't surprising that Deuce had 10 TDs in 2006. His 8 TDs in 2003 and 9 TDs in 2004 are probably better than the 10 in 2006 considering his 2003 and 2004 teams scored way less than the 2006 team. He was way below his 2002 total of 16 TDs.
Other than TDs, in 2006 Deuce had his WORST rushing total and WORST receiving total in his 4 healthy starting years. He had 1255 total yards in 2006. That pales in comparison to the 2157 total yards he had in his best yardage season.
If you think that Reggie Bush's 1300+ total yards and 8 TDs didn't have an impact, then you are dreaming. If Bush wasn't there, McAllister could have had a yardage season like 2003 and a TD season like 2002. Without Bush, he may have had his best season ever, but with Bush, he had what I would consider his worst healthy/starter season.
Joe T
Footballguy
1500 is not necessarily a magic number.
Chester >>>>>>>> Pittman
This is the point you are failing to note.
Penguin
Footballguy
First off, Chester was signed last year by Minnasota, not this year....and he underperformed. As far as him being on the field in a Reggie Bush type of role, he's nothing like Bush and neither he nor AP can do the things that Reggie does that makes him special., it's apples and oranges here. Another point is that Chester Taylor is nowhere near the talent that Duece is. It is much easier for someone to come in and take over for Chester or any comparable talent then it would be to unseat Duece completely. I'd wait for the 2007 results before annoiting Bush as a dud, the guy was getting better each week last year. In December he had 544 total yards, 7 Touchdowns, 24 receptions,5.1 yds/carry & 13.0 yds/catch for 120 fantasy points in PPR leagues.....that's for December, and he barely played in week 17.Dear God...the AP/AD goggles make me sick. Last year it was Reggie Bush. Yeah...he really hampered Deuce's output.Deuce had one of the best seasons of his career last year...WITH REGGIE BUSH!Now we have a similar situation with Adrian and Chester.Maybe it could end up like DeAngelo and DeShaun! Neither of them are worthy of a starting roster when they split carries.Minny didn't sign Chester to a starter's contract (though somewhat reasonable for a starting RB) to just bury him on the bench! Did you ever think they will get them both on the field ala Deuce and Reggie? Seemed to work for NO. I'd think that a smart franchise would try to showcase atleast some of the abilities of one of their RB's they may be trying to phase out so that they could get a good deal in a trade!You AD/AP backers need to open your eyes instead of peering at the world through AP/AD rose colored glasses!
Warpig
Footballguy
Dear God...the AP/AD goggles make me sick. Last year it was Reggie Bush. Yeah...he really hampered Deuce's output.
Maybe it could end up like DeAngelo and DeShaun! Neither of them are worthy of a starting roster when they split carries.
Minny didn't sign Chester to a starter's contract (though somewhat reasonable for a starting RB) to just bury him on the bench!
Did you ever think they will get them both on the field ala Deuce and Reggie? Seemed to work for NO.
I'd think that a smart franchise would try to showcase atleast some of the abilities of one of their RB's they may be trying to phase out so that they could get a good deal in a trade!
You AD/AP backers need to open your eyes instead of peering at the world through AP/AD rose colored glasses!What? In what universe did Deuce have one of his best seasons of his career?
Other than his rookie season, where he was a backup to Ricky Williams, and 2005 where he played 5 games, last year was his WORST season of his career.
Considering that the 2006 Saints rivaled the 2002 Saints in scoring (#5 in the NFL vs. #3, 2003 and 2004 were #14 in the NFL in scoring), it isn't surprising that Deuce had 10 TDs in 2006. His 8 TDs in 2003 and 9 TDs in 2004 are probably better than the 10 in 2006 considering his 2003 and 2004 teams scored way less than the 2006 team. He was way below his 2002 total of 16 TDs.
Other than TDs, in 2006 Deuce had his WORST rushing total and WORST receiving total in his 4 healthy starting years. He had 1255 total yards in 2006. That pales in comparison to the 2157 total yards he had in his best yardage season.
If you think that Reggie Bush's 1300+ total yards and 8 TDs didn't have an impact, then you are dreaming. If Bush wasn't there, McAllister could have had a yardage season like 2003 and a TD season like 2002. Without Bush, he may have had his best season ever, but with Bush, he had what I would consider his worst healthy/starter season.
back at ya!RushingYear Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 16 91 5.7 54 1 1 4
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 325 1388 4.3 62 13 10 65
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 351 1641 4.7 76 8 16 69
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 269 1074 4.0 71 9 5 53
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 93 335 3.6 26 3 1 21
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 244 1057 4.3 57 10 6 54
TOTAL 81 67 1298 5586 4.3 76 44 39 266
Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 15 166 11.1 22 1 2 0 8
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 47 352 7.5 30 3 1 0 15
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 69 516 7.5 39 0 2 0 22
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 34 228 6.7 20 0 1 0 5
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 17 117 6.9 22 0 2 0 4
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 30 198 6.6 24 0 2 0 8
TOTAL 81 67 212 1577 7.4 39 4 10 0 62
He also had the least amount of touches he's ever had in a non-injury year and still put up over 1,000 yards and had the 2nd most TD's he's ever had!
His receptions did drop because of Reggie, but he still had 30 which isn't that far off from his average!
At this point in Deuce's career, he's probably glad Reggie is there to help take some of the load off of him.
And yes...I play in a TD heavy league.
ceo3west
Footballguy
I'll be avioding all Vikings myself. With no legit WR's and a green QB, I see a putrid offense here regardless of anyone's supreme talent.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
That's still not even close to being the best year of his career.
Rushing
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 16 91 5.7 54 1 1 4
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 325 1388 4.3 62 13 10 65
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 351 1641 4.7 76 8 16 69
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 269 1074 4.0 71 9 5 53
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 93 335 3.6 26 3 1 21
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 244 1057 4.3 57 10 6 54
TOTAL 81 67 1298 5586 4.3 76 44 39 266
Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 15 166 11.1 22 1 2 0 8
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 47 352 7.5 30 3 1 0 15
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 69 516 7.5 39 0 2 0 22
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 34 228 6.7 20 0 1 0 5
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 17 117 6.9 22 0 2 0 4
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 30 198 6.6 24 0 2 0 8
TOTAL 81 67 212 1577 7.4 39 4 10 0 62
He also had the least amount of touches he's ever had in a non-injury year and still put up over 1,000 yards and had the 2nd most TD's he's ever had!
His receptions did drop because of Reggie, but he still had 30 which isn't that far off from his average!
At this point in Deuce's career, he's probably glad Reggie is there to help take some of the load off of him.
That's still not even close to being the best year of his career.
Rushing
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 16 91 5.7 54 1 1 4
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 325 1388 4.3 62 13 10 65
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 351 1641 4.7 76 8 16 69
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 269 1074 4.0 71 9 5 53
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 93 335 3.6 26 3 1 21
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 244 1057 4.3 57 10 6 54
TOTAL 81 67 1298 5586 4.3 76 44 39 266
Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 4 15 166 11.1 22 1 2 0 8
2002 New Orleans Saints 15 15 47 352 7.5 30 3 1 0 15
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 69 516 7.5 39 0 2 0 22
2004 New Orleans Saints 14 14 34 228 6.7 20 0 1 0 5
2005 New Orleans Saints 5 5 17 117 6.9 22 0 2 0 4
2006 New Orleans Saints 15 13 30 198 6.6 24 0 2 0 8
TOTAL 81 67 212 1577 7.4 39 4 10 0 62
He also had the least amount of touches he's ever had in a non-injury year and still put up over 1,000 yards and had the 2nd most TD's he's ever had!
His receptions did drop because of Reggie, but he still had 30 which isn't that far off from his average!
At this point in Deuce's career, he's probably glad Reggie is there to help take some of the load off of him.
Who cares that it was the least amount of touches. This is about rookies taking over for veteran RBs and Warpig said this:Seems pretty obvious, that "hampering" does equate to "the least amount of touches he's ever had in a non-injury year" and while it might be great to take the load off of him and NO is happy, Deuce fantasy owners would have rather had the Texans select Bush, just like Taylor owners aren't going to be happy with Peterson's selection.While McAllister was productive, his yardage output was less than Bush's and thus, he had his worst season so far in terms of overall numbers. He just had the benefit of a great NO offense and got 10 TDs, which is the same as 2002 when he had 16 TDs. Even in much worse NO years, he never had less than 8 TDs, so 10 is not exactly unbelievable.Dear God...the AP/AD goggles make me sick. Last year it was Reggie Bush. Yeah...he really hampered Deuce's output.
By the way, I think Deuce isn't going to get back to his 2002/2003 yardage numbers any time soon in NO. I definitely see Bush getting involved more and more as he seemed to be doing at the end of last year (just recollection, not based on looking up the stats).
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I'd agree that it would be doubtful for AD to get the #1 job by week 1, but if we're strictly talking FF here, AD should still be taken first of the two for a couple of reasons. First, neither one is going to be all that productive. While AD probably won't take Chesters job off the bat, Chester isn't near good enough to keep AD off the field. Chester got enough carries to show the Vikes what he's capable of, and that is yeouman's work, but nothing explosive. AD has potential to be a gamebreaking workhorse, and that's why he should be taken first. AD has the potential to win the job eventually and be a great #3 or borderline #2 by the last half of the season. Chester's upside, barring injury to AD, is to be an emergency start.
