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Who/what is to blame for the Chargers' woes? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter LHUCKS
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All of the above.
The Chargers are adapting to an entire new coaching staff and it's going to take longer than a preseason to get back to where they were when theey lost to NE.
It hasn't helped that they started off facing tough opponents either but if you believe anything that Coach Parcells says....he mentioned prior to week 1 that it takes 2 to 3 years for an entire coaching staff to get in perfect sink with each other and it's key players. Take that for what it's worth and how they've looked compared to last season.
The Chargers are adapting to an entire new coaching staff and it's going to take longer than a preseason to get back to where they were when theey lost to NE.
It hasn't helped that they started off facing tough opponents either but if you believe anything that Coach Parcells says....he mentioned prior to week 1 that it takes 2 to 3 years for an entire coaching staff to get in perfect sink with each other and it's key players. Take that for what it's worth and how they've looked compared to last season.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
you should have a choice for offensive line. They have been very bad. That said, it is the secondary and the D coaches that have been the big problem the last 2 games. If the lose this weekend, run a new poll, you will have different answers.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Honestly?
I'm starting to wonder if the Chargers are as good as we thought they were because we were spoiled by Schottenheimer. Good coaches have a habit of maximing a team's talent (see Parcells) and we are starting to see the fallout from this post Schotty. Anytime you looked at their team, you saw lackluster WRs and no secondary and kinda wondered how they were always able to get it done.
This just reinforces my belief that Schotty is a MUCH better coach than given credit for because of his post season success (or lack thereof).
I'm starting to wonder if the Chargers are as good as we thought they were because we were spoiled by Schottenheimer. Good coaches have a habit of maximing a team's talent (see Parcells) and we are starting to see the fallout from this post Schotty. Anytime you looked at their team, you saw lackluster WRs and no secondary and kinda wondered how they were always able to get it done.
This just reinforces my belief that Schotty is a MUCH better coach than given credit for because of his post season success (or lack thereof).
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The Shizzle
Footballguy
I couldn't find Tomlinson's mouth as an option.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Would've been much more interesting as a multi-vote poll.
I picked all of the above, but really it's not all the players - just some of them.
Turner gets blame, because he sucks.
Smith gets a ton of blame for screwing the pooch hiring Turner. Chargers will probably not make the playoffs under Norv. I wouldn't hire a guy who is clearly incompetent for a job based on past performance and expect anything else.
I picked all of the above, but really it's not all the players - just some of them.
Turner gets blame, because he sucks.
Smith gets a ton of blame for screwing the pooch hiring Turner. Chargers will probably not make the playoffs under Norv. I wouldn't hire a guy who is clearly incompetent for a job based on past performance and expect anything else.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Which only means that everyone gets a vote, whether they know what they are talking about or not.Nice to see AJ Smith finally taking some heat.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's what I voted, although a vote for AJ Smith is basically the same.
Ike Turner
Footballguy
This guy just HAS to be shown the exit at the end of the season ala Ray Rhodes after his one year coaching stint with the Packers.I'll give him this though, Norv Turner must be one hell of an interviewer. He has a terrible record as an NFL head coach, but he still gets jobs. There are some guys that were just meant to be coordinators, and he's one of them.
You forgot to add "The Schedule" as an option as that's what I would have voted for. They lost in NE to the Patriots and in Green Bay against a team that came in with a 6 game winning streak. They may not have looked sharp in any game but those two losses were tough games. I look at their schedule and see them winning 4 out of their next 5.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Last option down?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Where's the LT/Chargers' OL option?
so I can find this thread with ease when the Chargers are 11-5 and heading into the playoffs on fire.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Wow... what are you talking about? Nobody "blew anything up." Both coordinators were offered head coaching jobs, several assistants were offered promotions elsewhere. Marty wanted to walk out of there with a paycheck in hand, so he orchestrated his own firing.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I love how Chargers fans have had this clown's back the entire time...pure homerism.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I blame these guys
David Binn
Brandon Manumeleauna
Igor Olshansky
Cory Winthrow
David Binn
Brandon Manumeleauna
Igor Olshansky
Cory Winthrow
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
The way the Patriots are playing right now, they would blow out anybody. They would have blown out last year's Chargers @ Foxboro. So we should really just throw that out.
I really think there is a lot of overreaction here. Yes, they lost a close road game to a legit 3-0 team. They have the talent to win that one, but I figure they are still reeling from the Massachusetts Massacre.
Not only is it far too early to tell if things have gone seriously awry, it's also far too soon to assign blame. One thing to remember is that Schottenheimer let a bunch of his staff go to other jobs, which is a big part of why AJ canned him. It's quite possible that the Chargers would have been as bad or worse with Schotty and his new staff than Turner and his new staff.
It was definitely ballsy to can a 14-2 coach. You are almost guaranteed to look bad, unless you win a superbowl or go 15-1 in the next few years, neither of which are likely to happen on any team.
I really think there is a lot of overreaction here. Yes, they lost a close road game to a legit 3-0 team. They have the talent to win that one, but I figure they are still reeling from the Massachusetts Massacre.
Not only is it far too early to tell if things have gone seriously awry, it's also far too soon to assign blame. One thing to remember is that Schottenheimer let a bunch of his staff go to other jobs, which is a big part of why AJ canned him. It's quite possible that the Chargers would have been as bad or worse with Schotty and his new staff than Turner and his new staff.
It was definitely ballsy to can a 14-2 coach. You are almost guaranteed to look bad, unless you win a superbowl or go 15-1 in the next few years, neither of which are likely to happen on any team.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Not even close. The players didn't hire Norv. Smith assembled good talent, and a horrid coach. It's as if the Chargers plan to miss the playoffs this year, blame it on Norv sucking, get another high pick, and load up some more.Smith is significantly to blame for this, though.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree. The Chargers have an aging roster with no talent, are in salary cap hell, and have blown all of their recent draft picks and trades.I love how Chargers fans have had this clown's back the entire time...pure homerism.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Yep. Norv sucks. Unbelievable that he lost to NE and GB on the road. Those teams absolutely suck, and the losses are inexcusable.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I agree with you about the schedule. And they could have easily won the GB game, and been 2-1. But even if the Chargers were 3-0, I don't understand how you can ignore what's going on with the running game.Tomlinson/Turner averaged 5.4 YPC last season and 145 rushing yards per game. Tomlinson/Turner are averaging 2.6 YPC this season and 62 rushing yards per game. This is the equivalent of Peyton Manning playing like Rex Grossman. We can't just ignore it.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
:whoosh: A.J. signed him to the highest RB contract in history.
BigRed
Footballguy
exactly - lol @ dumping him for Turner
packersfan
Footballguy
I know the passing game got untracked against the Packers but I think SD misses Eric Parker more than people anticipated. He's not a great WR but he runs good routes and is a good third-down, move the chains, type of option.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Clearly the problem is that the league shortened the season to just three games and didn't tell anybody else.
Da Masses
Footballguy
but AJ got rid of Brees and Marty, that's what I meant. LT didnt' want them to go and he played his heart out to make them look good and they both got the axe anyway.A.J. signed him to the highest RB contract in history.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
One word...EGO.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Is this what you expected the Chargers' rushing attack to look like after three weeks?
EdwardCat
Footballguy
I think he believes LT is just going through the absolute worst stretch in his career, he'll swallow a magic bean and somehow return to his former self regardless of the fact he's being mis-utilized. I mean, 3 weeks in a row is just a fluke right? It couldn't be indicative of a possible change.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
AJ Smith let some personal feelings get involved in the decision of firing Shotty.
Shotty, was growing with the team as they went along , I woulda left things the same.
Shotty, was growing with the team as they went along , I woulda left things the same.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
How would you have "left things the same" when Cam Cameron (calls the offensive plays) and Wade Phillips (calls the defensive plays) were hired away? Marty didn't call any of the plays.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Even at only three games, the numbers being less than half of what they were last year is statistically significant.Last year, San Diego's worst three combined Tomlinson/Turner rushing performances were 24-92, 22-71 and 19-84. That's 82 rushing yards per game and 3.8 yards per carry. 1.2 YPC and 20 YPG less than the three WORST games from last year. That means this performance isn't coming from the same sample as last year. The running game is, at best, somewhat worse than last year. At worst, it's just downright awful.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
This should have been one of those polls where we can check multiple boxes.
I dunno about ALL of the above, but it's certainly more than one of the above.
I dunno about ALL of the above, but it's certainly more than one of the above.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Spike
Footballguy
This is the whole thing, imo.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I really think this has to be a fluke. There are no injuries of note and Norv isn't exactly Herm Edwards in the offense department. I think the running game will rebound, although not to 2006 levels (which were a huge deviation from LT's historical norm).Speaking of Peyton Manning, in 2005 he started his first three games averaging 18-29-201-0.66-0.66, for a QB rating of 79.9Of course Manning's 2004 was similar to LT's 2006. Letdowns are natural.I actually think that one of the biggest problems for SD is this feeling of entitlement. I've never disliked LT, but starting with the playoff loss last year, he has been kind of a whiny tool. I really hope that the players are starting to get angry at themselves, because that is the ONLY way they will return to form.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
You must have an extremely low opinion of Tomlinson's character, maturity, and intelligence.but AJ got rid of Brees and Marty, that's what I meant. LT didnt' want them to go and he played his heart out to make them look good and they both got the axe anyway.A.J. signed him to the highest RB contract in history.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
The only Tomlinson-hater I have ever met in my entire life. This guy was lobbying for Marty to bench Tomlinson for the Burner in absolutely every Chargers thread last year... only to admit later that he had only seen Tomlinson play once before. Shouldn't this be a bannable offense? Chase should immediately re-think any of his posts that this guy wants to defend.I think he believes LT is just going through the absolute worst stretch in his career, he'll swallow a magic bean and somehow return to his former self regardless of the fact he's being mis-utilized. I mean, 3 weeks in a row is just a fluke right? It couldn't be indicative of a possible change.
Da Masses
Footballguy
No, not after the Playoff game with the Pats, and his recent comments. I'm pretty sure I'm dead on.You must have an extremely low opinion of Tomlinson's character, maturity, and intelligence.but AJ got rid of Brees and Marty, that's what I meant. LT didnt' want them to go and he played his heart out to make them look good and they both got the axe anyway.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
So why did A.J. offer the guy a contract extension instead of firing him then?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The Chargers' rushing offensive decline has been of historic proportions. I'll write up a full post for it tomorrow, but that's the truth so far. At some point we need to recognize that this isn't a bad start, but a huge deviation from last year's prior level. Since the running offense carried the team last year, this is a pretty serious concern.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I completely agree with all of this. Thank you, man.
