Who will win ROY? (1 Viewer)

[Chachi]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

 

[Zoomanji]

Should be 2 polls.

The NFL awards a O-ROY and a D-ROY

 

[Chachi]

Should be 2 polls.The NFL awards a O-ROY and a D-ROY

Not paying attention are we? They also award ROY, last year it came down to AP vs. Patrick Willis. So 1 poll is what I am aiming at, I want the ROY, not the OROY or DROY.

 

[Zoomanji]

Should be 2 polls.

The NFL awards a O-ROY and a D-ROY

Not paying attention are we? They also award ROY, last year it came down to AP vs. Patrick Willis. So 1 poll is what I am aiming at, I want the ROY, not the OROY or DROY.

OKfwiw

 

[switz]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:35 % McFadden20 % Stewart15 % Felix5 % Mendenhall5 % CJ5 % Forte15% the fieldMendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden35% Felix Jones2% Matt Forte2% Kevin Smith1% Chris Johnson15% FieldI honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

 

[Chachi]

Should be 2 polls.

The NFL awards a O-ROY and a D-ROY

Not paying attention are we? They also award ROY, last year it came down to AP vs. Patrick Willis. So 1 poll is what I am aiming at, I want the ROY, not the OROY or DROY.

OKfwiw

Thanks for the list of "Offensive rookie of the year", not sure why you posted it though.Here's a couple links to check out:

NFL Rookies of the year

2007 Rookie of the year

 

[Todem]

Of course it is going to be Chris Johnson!!!

 

[Burning Sensation]

Mcfadden 30%

CJohnson 20%

Rice 10%

Stewart 5%

Ryan 5%

Smith 5%

Slaton 2.5%

Forte 2.5%

Jones 2.5%

Hardy 2.5%

Royal 2.5%

Mendenhall 2.5%

field 10%

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

 

[BigJim®]

Mcfadden 20%

Rice 15%

Stewart 15%

K.Smith 12.5%

Forte 10%

C.Johnson 5%

Ryan 5%

Mendenhall 5%

Henne 2.5%

rest of field 10%

 

[Chachi]

Just looking at the real lines, I think CJ3 is much more popular here than Vegas/Gambling sites......

2008 AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year - Odds to Win (All Bets Action) Lines at MySportsbook

Team Lines

Ray Rice 25-1

Limas Sweed 25-1

Rashard Mendenhall 8-1

Chad Henne 25-1

Joe Flacco 20-1

Donnie Avery 30-1

DeSean Jackson 20-1

Jamaal Charles 25-1

Devin Thomas 20-1

Kevin Smith 8-1

Jonathan Stewart 6-1

Matt Forte 10-1

Darren McFadden 3-1

Felix Jones 8-1

James Hardy 20-1

zx Field (Any Other Player) 7-2

Matt Ryan 10-1

And from The Spread

Odds to Win 2008 NFL Rookie of the Year Award

Antonie Cason 80/1

Aqib Talib 40/1

Brian Brohm 30/1

Branden Albert 10/1

Chad Henne 50/1

Chris Johnson 25/1

Chris Long 7/1

Chris Williams 12/1

Darren McFadden 3/1

DeSean Jackson 35/1

Derrick Harvey 11/1

Dominique Rodgers 35/1

Donnie Avery 70/1

Dustin Keller 70/1

Felix Jones 18/1

Fred Davis

Glenn Dorsey 13/2

Jake Long 40/1

James Hardy 30/1

Jerrod Mayo 9/1

John Carlson 85/1

Jonathan Stewart 13/2

Jordy Nelson

Joe Flacco 50/1

Keith Rivers 8/1

Kentwan Balmer

Kenny Phillips 45/1

Kevin Smith 7/1

Lawrence Jackson 50/1

Leodis McKelvin 20/1

Limas Sneed 30/1

Malcolm Kelly 50/1

Matt Forte 7/1

Matt Ryan 13/1

Mike Jenkins 60/1

Quentin Groves 40/1

Phillip Merling 30/1

Rashard Mendenhall 12/1

Ray Rice 20/1

Sedrick Ellis 8/1

Steve Slaton 25/1

Tyrell Johnson 60/1

Vernon Gholston 9/1

Field (Any Other) 15/1

 

[switz]

45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

Not a gambler, but your mocking me won't make me rethink things at all. Felix Jones is far better than this forum gives him credit for. I'm not sure if it's because of the Barber love, that's what I'm thinking. But I would stick by my odds.

 

[Burning Sensation]

45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

Not a gambler, but your mocking me won't make me rethink things at all. Felix Jones is far better than this forum gives him credit for. I'm not sure if it's because of the Barber love, that's what I'm thinking. But I would stick by my odds.

I wasnt mocking you, but do you really think he has a 35% chance of ROY? The Vegas line strongly disagrees. If you are so sure, you should definetly lay down a few bucks on him at 18/1.

 

[Moniker]

John Carlson. Nobody else on that team can catch right now...

 

[switz]

45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

Not a gambler, but your mocking me won't make me rethink things at all. Felix Jones is far better than this forum gives him credit for. I'm not sure if it's because of the Barber love, that's what I'm thinking. But I would stick by my odds.

I wasnt mocking you, but do you really think he has a 35% chance of ROY? The Vegas line strongly disagrees. If you are so sure, you should definetly lay down a few bucks on him at 18/1.

You know, every year there is some hidden gem that pops up and just blows everyone away, a la MJD. So, having any player with 10% against the field is pretty high. But I do really think it will boil down to one of the Arkansas backs.I'm not sure why people on these boards aren't as high on Felix Jones as players like Chris Johnson, seeing that they are slated for similar roles. But I would strongly encourage people to start digging into exactly how the Cowboys plan to use Felix. It's surprising to hear the amount of offensive load they expect him to carry. If he performs as I expect him to, and gets the workload I am hearing, he has a very legitimate shot at ROY.

I expect McFadden to get it, because I think even if other RBs have slightly better stats, the NFL knows where their money comes from. McFadden already has a few marketing deals in place, and he IS a good RB. In a class where most RBs are going to split time of one sort or another, all it's going to take is one eye popping play repeated over and over on ESPN and NFLN to get RunDMC the ROY. I would put him at like 80% LOL, because he's goign to need to be a total flop or injured to not get the ROY.

 

[Burning Sensation]

45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

Not a gambler, but your mocking me won't make me rethink things at all. Felix Jones is far better than this forum gives him credit for. I'm not sure if it's because of the Barber love, that's what I'm thinking. But I would stick by my odds.

I wasnt mocking you, but do you really think he has a 35% chance of ROY? The Vegas line strongly disagrees. If you are so sure, you should definetly lay down a few bucks on him at 18/1.

You know, every year there is some hidden gem that pops up and just blows everyone away, a la MJD. So, having any player with 10% against the field is pretty high. But I do really think it will boil down to one of the Arkansas backs.I'm not sure why people on these boards aren't as high on Felix Jones as players like Chris Johnson, seeing that they are slated for similar roles. But I would strongly encourage people to start digging into exactly how the Cowboys plan to use Felix. It's surprising to hear the amount of offensive load they expect him to carry. If he performs as I expect him to, and gets the workload I am hearing, he has a very legitimate shot at ROY.

I expect McFadden to get it, because I think even if other RBs have slightly better stats, the NFL knows where their money comes from. McFadden already has a few marketing deals in place, and he IS a good RB. In a class where most RBs are going to split time of one sort or another, all it's going to take is one eye popping play repeated over and over on ESPN and NFLN to get RunDMC the ROY. I would put him at like 80% LOL, because he's goign to need to be a total flop or injured to not get the ROY.

The only advantage i think Jones has over Johnson is size, which certainly counts for something, but i think Johnson has a bit more talent than Jones. The bigger difference i see between the two though is oppotunity. Barber is twice the RB that White is, so CJ has less competition for touches from the RB spot. Also, CJ insantly becomes the Titans biggest offensive weapon, and Jones not only falls behind Barber, but Owens and Witten as well. I dont see any way the Titans dont force feed Johnson the ball, and he has shown in the preseason that he is plenty capable of doing somethng with it once he has it.As far as having Jones at 35% for ROY just seems more of a biased opinion than a realistic projection. I know the CJ hype is out of control, but no worse than saying Jones has a 35% chance at the ROY and CJ 1%. If there were more guys who liked Jones as much as you, the Jones hype thread would be twice as bad as the Johnson thread.

 

[EBF]

I could see Jordon Dizon, Kenny Phillips, Chris Long, or Glenn Dorsey winning DROY. Dizon is a flashy backer with an early opportunity to make an impact. The other three appear to have very bright futures in the league, but they might not necessarily make enough big plays this season to win the hardware.

OROY is a tough race to handicap because Johnson and Jones are change of pace backs and Mendenhall, Stewart, and Rice are mired in potential RBBC situations. One of the latter three could win it if he gets a firm grip on the starting job. McFadden has a good chance if he lives up to his draft hype. I think the Raiders will be a disaster though and I'm not a big fan of his skills. I'd still probably consider him the favorite.

 

[Andy Herron]

Percentages aside, I will echo what I posted in the "Believe It Or Not" thread.

"Felix Jones and Ray Rice will have alot to say about this year's race for ROY."

If you wanna play odds, I'll take the field vs. McFadden.

This is going to be a tighter race than we've seen in awhile.

 

[Buckna]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

CJohnson 20%

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

CJohnson 20%

20% is alot lower than 35%. Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

 

[switz]

Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

And so was Michael Bennett over LT his rookie year

 

[Burning Sensation]

Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

And so was Michael Bennett over LT his rookie year

And so was Addai over Maroney their rookie year With that said, most would agree that Johnson and Jones are similar in talent level, no matter which one you prefer.

 

[Chachi]

Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

And so was Michael Bennett over LT his rookie year

And so was Addai over Maroney their rookie year With that said, most would agree that Johnson and Jones are similar in talent level, no matter which one you prefer.

Felix Jones is more talented, it's not even close in my opinion. Wasn't CJ3 projected to go much later in the draft? Either way, I think Felix Jones is alot more talented, I think this only became an issue after the preseason games and CJ3 had a few great runs.

 

[Xue]

the list of "Offensive rookie of the year", not sure why you posted it though.

Here's a couple links to check out:

NFL Rookies of the year

2007 Rookie of the year

The first link only lists mostly the Offensive Rookies of the Year. There is no such thing as "Rookie of the Year". Since 1967, there has always been one for Offense and one for Defense.Your second link was an award that's voted on by fans created by Diet Pepsi. What award are we actually debating about in this thread?

 

[PatrickT]

Token Matt Ryan vote from the Falcon homer.

 

[Two Deep]

Josh Morgan has a shot

Bruce old and ineffective, Johnson ineffective, Davis overhyped. Morgan 70 rec. 875 yards 7 Tds.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Way too many people are buying into the C.Johnson hype. It's getting rediculous.

People of FBG do this every year. Some of you guys are nuts.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Way too many people are buying into the C.Johnson hype. It's getting rediculous.People of FBG do this every year. Some of you guys are nuts.

This from a guy who recently offered Roddy White, Favre and Slaton for him in a dynasty league.

 

[switz]

Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

And so was Michael Bennett over LT his rookie year

And so was Addai over Maroney their rookie year With that said, most would agree that Johnson and Jones are similar in talent level, no matter which one you prefer.

I would argue that Addai is more talented than Maroney. I think the way NE has been handling the RB situation confirms that as well.And I'm not sure how one would argue that Chris Johnson is more talented than Felix... but I'm sure some would try.The bottom line is, while opportunity is important - when opportunity is nearly the same, talent will rise above. I think the disconnect here is that you feel CJ will see about 40 more touches than Felix, while I don't.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Way too many people are buying into the C.Johnson hype. It's getting rediculous.People of FBG do this every year. Some of you guys are nuts.

This from a guy who recently offered Roddy White, Favre and Slaton for him in a dynasty league.

There were other pieces involved in that offer. That and I'm desperate for a RB this year.

 

[Blackjacks]

I tell you what, I've been hearing all the hype from Switzabout Jones so I decided to Tivo the Cowboys game and see what all the talk was about and I'll tell you right now Felix is living up to the hype. This kid will be the guy in Dallas by this time next year. He looks faster than Barber, catches better and can take it to the outside much better. Believe the hype haters. I've already traded for the guy and after you watch you'll want to also. Buy him now cause it will be to late soon.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

And so was Michael Bennett over LT his rookie year

And so was Addai over Maroney their rookie year With that said, most would agree that Johnson and Jones are similar in talent level, no matter which one you prefer.

I would argue that Addai is more talented than Maroney. I think the way NE has been handling the RB situation confirms that as well.And I'm not sure how one would argue that Chris Johnson is more talented than Felix... but I'm sure some would try.The bottom line is, while opportunity is important - when opportunity is nearly the same, talent will rise above. I think the disconnect here is that you feel CJ will see about 40 more touches than Felix, while I don't.

We could argue Addai and Maroney until we are blue in the face, but i am thinking that if they switched teams, Maroney would be considered a better FF back. As far as their talent goes, i dont think either is elite, and are pretty close, each having his own faults and strengths.As far as Jones/Johnson, i think both are similar in talent as well, but i do think CJ is better. They were drafted a few spots apart, so we cant really use that as a measure. CJohnson certainly put up better numbers at the combine, and has looked terrific so far in the preseason. I like Jones, and his upside on Dallas, but like i said before, he is the 4th option in that offense, and CJ should be the #1 option for the Titans.

 

[Buckna]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

CJohnson 20%

20% is alot lower than 35%. Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

Just razzing you a bit since you are one of the people leading the charge in the Chris Johnson superstar hype thread.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just curious to see how the pool thinks, I've seen alot of CJ for ROY, hard time believing that's the norm though, also heard lots about Forte, K. Smith, etc; I just listed the most likely candidates in my mind, RBs usually win so most are RBs and with defense if someone gets it then it's likely a LB. Sorry if your choice is not listed, only 15 spots to use so I couldn't add Ryan, Flacco, Thomas, Kelly, Phillips, Long, etc;

I would go with McFadden. If I was doing odds, I'd go something like:

35 % McFadden

20 % Stewart

15 % Felix

5 % Mendenhall

5 % CJ

5 % Forte

15% the field

Mendenhall is so low, not based on talent but Parker, I like Mendy quite a bit but don't see much this season with Willie Parker being the lead back.

Odds are about45% McFadden

35% Felix Jones

2% Matt Forte

2% Kevin Smith

1% Chris Johnson

15% Field

I honestly can't foresee one of the Arkansas backs not winning it.

So you think Jones has a 35% chance of winning ROY. I'll take the field against him. Will you give me 1/3...tell you what, i will risk $400 to your $100 that Jones does not win.ETA. I will would also like to bet on Chris Johnson, i will risk my $1 to win $100. 'll make you a better deal, i will risk $2 for $100. What do you think?

Maybe you should rethink you percentages.

CJohnson 20%

20% is alot lower than 35%. Plus CJ is in a much better position for touches in his rookie year.

Just razzing you a bit since you are one of the people leading the charge in the Chris Johnson superstar hype thread.

Yeah, that thread has gotten a bit out of hand, and i am partly responsible. However, i think i have him projected at 1000 yards rushing and 50 catches, 8 TD's. Not terribly out of the realm of possibilty. Good enough for a 20% shot at the ROY though.

 

[Raider Nation]

Answer

 

[Jack Burton]

What about Matt Ryan?

voted other

 

[Tanner9919]

John Carlson. Nobody else on that team can catch right now...

no Notre Dame TE's can catch at the pro level, either.. seriously, who was the last 'good' ND TE in the NFL? CJ3 winning the ROY is wishful thinking..it'll be McFadden or, as someone else wrote, Felix Jones..I cannot believe the level of love that Chris Johnson is getting in here...seems a lot of people are heavily drinking the CJ3 Kool-Aid