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Pro Bowlers do not = Superbowls just ask your friendly Mia Dolfins of today. What, 6 probowlers on D and no Playoff wins!Regardless of how many probowlers there were, the Pack had the better team. Last I checked it was the team who won the superbowl, not induviduals.
OK. Good thinking. We'll take out 84 and 85 when the Dolphins were a cut above the other teams (just like we took out Favre's 2 SuperBowl years)5 wins8 losses21 TD's16 INT'sPasser rating of 85.4.Very similar. Neither guy really ever lifted his team past what the expectations were. Were part of those expectations because the teams had Marino and Favre at the helm? Of course. But neither guy ever carried a lesser team on his back.It would be even better to compare the same numbers for Marino in playoff games.
Which was my point...look at the teams these guys had:JElway
We're not measuring yards per completion nor did the post say as much...Marino = 61361 yards DIVIDED by 8358 attempts = 7.342 YPA
You are certainly pushing it with that comment. I also think that Elway is the standard bearer for "doing the most with the least"...not Marino. But I'm on your side in the Favre vs. Marino debate.
To get back to this though, how exactly does the Pro bowl represent fact here? I mean under this logic, the Steelers were just as talented of a team as the Pats last year. The Ravens 3 times more talented! This does not seem to be a good way to measure overall team ability.
I was just trying to figure out how Marino had 20 more yards per game...but same completions per game and same yardage per attempt.It's yardage per completion...right? That's where the difference lies, right?
Favre = 46511 yards DIVIDED by 6591 attempts = 7.057 YPA
Marino = 61361 yards DIVIDED by 242 games = 253.6 yards per game
Favre = 46511 yards DIVIDED by 197 games = 236.1 yards per game
What are you not understanding?
Elway vs Marino is a debate...Favre vs Marino...I just don't get it...how can there be a debate...You are certainly pushing it with that comment. I also think that Elway is the standard bearer for "doing the most with the least"...not Marino. But I'm on your side in the Favre vs. Marino debate.
Well, there you go again. First you spout crap that implies you know something about my NFL viewing history when you know nothing at all and now you are saying that I said something that I didn't say.Do you even bother to read or think before you start spewing your diatribes? I think I will reserve any further comments on this thread past this one to those that that think first and type second. To answer the question you posed; I wouldn't "fear" either of them. I think Marino would have had a better chance at a Superbowl in Green Bay due to better talent around him and I think that Favre would have put up better numbers in Miami because (like Marino) he would not have any choice.
Again, I concur, but look at it the other way. The Dolphins had 7 out of 22 starters good enough to make the Pro Bowl, doesn't that say something about the talent level on that team? If one out of three players on that team were the best at their position, then it wasn't like it was Marino and a bunch of other guys off the street. Take a look at what Steve Young had around him Tampa Bay if you want to make a case for poor surrounding talent.
Maybe I'm not seeing something here...the numbers were "AVERAGE PER GAME" are they not?So...why would more games give you "more yardage per game" if your completions and yardage per attempt are the same?
The confusion was because you used the phrase "how is the total yardage so much different?" This led myself and others to think you were questioning how Marino could have so many more total yards in his career than Favre has to date.Next time, you might want to be clearer and say "how are the yards per game so much different?"
Ah...gotcha...now I see where the confusion lies.I was speaking in specifics to the stats Wood posted. He made sure not to include total yardage for career...just total yardage per game...and I was just wondering how it could be so different...and while typing figured it must've been yards per completion...another stat Wood conveniently neglected to include.
Favre had Sterling Sharpe, an All-Pro (and definite future HoFer if he hadn't gotten hurt).Robert Brooks was one of the top WR's in the NFL before getting hurt in '96. He never recaptured his pre-injury form.
Disagree.First off, Favre only played with Sterling Sharpe for 3 seasons, and Sharpe coincidentally (
) had 3 of his best 4 seasons in those years. The year before Favre, Sharpe had 69/961/4 in 16 games. The next season with Favre, he had 108/1461/13. I'd say it is clear Favre made a difference.
) in his one season as Favre's #1.
You have got to be kidding me? Maybe I'll give you Sharpe, but comm'on, those other guys were average WRs who Favre made look good. Did you hear of any of those guys coming out of college? "Great" WRs would be able to overcome injuries and big money contracts to continue to be great. Without Favre, we still wouldn't know who Brooks, Freeman and Driver are.
Yeah, you're right. Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett as hall of fame running backs. Good call.
Yea...you're right...Favre would've done better in Miami with what Marino had...But then again...you could just point to Favre over the past few years to see what that would've looked like...even though Favre still had AGreen during most of that latter timeframe...Yeah, you're right. Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett as hall of fame running backs. Good call.
