Who's the better hitter? (1 Viewer)

[jafo]

Without looking at the stats, who do you believe to be a better hitter? Choose carefully.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Mantle played in more of a dead ball era, so you have to take that in account when looking at stats.

 

[Please See Mine]

Without looking at the stats, who do you believe to be a better hitter? Choose carefully.

Since I, and probably many other people here, never saw Mantle play, how would we judge him without looking at the stats.

 

[jafo]

Without looking at the stats, who do you believe to be a better hitter? Choose carefully.

Since I, and probably many other people here, never saw Mantle play, how would we judge him without looking at the stats.

MLB archives? Ok, I should have said without putting too much research into it, who do you believe is a better hitter. I realize Mantle was in a different ERA, so as Leroy Hoard pointed out, you can't really look only at the stats.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

Without looking at the stats, who do you believe to be a better hitter? Choose carefully.

Since I, and probably many other people here, never saw Mantle play, how would we judge him without looking at the stats.

MLB archives? Ok, I should have said without putting too much research into it, who do you believe is a better hitter. I realize Mantle was in a different ERA, so as Leroy Hoard pointed out, you can't really look only at the stats.

Lifetime Equivalent Average adjusted for All Time:Mantle: .340

Thomas: .341

I'd still go with Mantle though.

He is pretty much the best World Series player ever.
He won the triple crown
He has more "equivalent runs" adjusted for all time than Thomas does. Since their career lengths will be the same after this season, a counting statistic rather than a rate one (EqA) probably matters more.
I know you said "hitter", but Mantle played CF for the overwhelming majority of his career, which is a much more difficult thing to do than 1B or DH. Put another way, Mantle is a MUCH better hitter for a CF than Thomas is for a 1B/DH.

 

[David Yudkin]

I would say Mantle in that there were fewer people producing like he did when he was playing. Thomas has been great, but there have been many other players that have been in his league over his career. And Mantle played in 12 World Series (with the Yanks winning 7 of them). IIRC, the Big Hurt hasn't even been in a Word Series.

Mantle HOF Monitor Score: 284.5

Thomas HOF Monitor Score: 194.0

 

[guru_007]

I voted Thomas. Never saw Mantle hit.....but as far as pure hitters go, Thomas is up there all-time.

 

[David Yudkin]

OPS+

Mantle 172

Thomas 158

 

[guru_007]

OPS+Mantle 172Thomas 158

As of today, Thomas beats Mantle inLifetime BALifetime OBPLifetime SluggingRBI'sHe is 33 lifetime hr's behind him and will undoubtedly pass himAnd this is in 200 less gamesAnd this is without him hitting over .275 the last 6 yearsI think it's closer than I may have thought....but I still take Thomas

 

[David Yudkin]

OPS+Mantle 172Thomas 158

As of today, Thomas beats Mantle inLifetime BALifetime OBPLifetime SluggingRBI'sHe is 33 lifetime hr's behind him and will undoubtedly pass himAnd this is in 200 less gamesAnd this is without him hitting over .275 the last 6 yearsI think it's closer than I may have thought....but I still take Thomas

Mantle data dump for the young and unwashed . . .17 years an All Star3 MVPs and 6 other years Top 5 in MVPTriple Crown winnerTop 10 in AVG 8 timesTop 10 in OBP 14 timesTop 10 in SLG 12 timesTop 10 in RBI 10 timesTop 5 in HR 9 times#1 or #2 in OPS 10 times#1 in runs created 6 timesBy comparison . . .Thomas5 years an All Star2 MVPs and 3 other years Top 5 in MVPTop 10 in AVG 7 timesTop 10 in OBP 8 timesTop 10 in SLG 10 timesTop 10 in RBI 9 timesTop 5 in HR 7 times#1 or #2 in OPS 6 times#1 in runs created 3 timesIMO, Thomas benefits greatly by the offensive explosion in the era he played in. His stats SHOULD be better than Mantle's.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Thomas isn't close to Mantle.

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

Thomas isn't close to Mantle.

I'm amazed we needed a thread for this

 

[ThisGuy]

Thomas isn't close to Mantle.

I'm amazed we needed a thread for this

This is dumb.

 

[Koya]

I feel stupider just having read the title of this inane thread. Really.

 

[The Man from Laramie]

I feel stupider just having read the title of this inane thread. Really.

Lotsa Yankee hate out there.

 

[Koya]

OPS+Mantle 172Thomas 158

As of today, Thomas beats Mantle inLifetime BALifetime OBPLifetime SluggingRBI'sHe is 33 lifetime hr's behind him and will undoubtedly pass himAnd this is in 200 less gamesAnd this is without him hitting over .275 the last 6 yearsI think it's closer than I may have thought....but I still take Thomas

So, you just ignore the era in which each played totally? That's bright.Tell me, is Frank Thomas the best player of his generation? Is he top three? Top five?He is a HoF player, but until recently that was not even a lock.Mantle is easily one of the greatest ballplayers to ever play the game.Thomas is really, really, really good.But he is not Mantle and it is questionable why anyone would argue that he is, to be honest.

 

[Please See Mine]

OPS+

Mantle 172

Thomas 158

As of today, Thomas beats Mantle inLifetime BA

Lifetime OBP

Lifetime Slugging

RBI's

He is 33 lifetime hr's behind him and will undoubtedly pass him

And this is in 200 less games

And this is without him hitting over .275 the last 6 years

I think it's closer than I may have thought....but I still take Thomas

so you originally thought that Thomas was much better than Mantle?

 

[Bogart]

in before Larry_Boy.

 

[Koya]

in before Larry_Boy.

'nuff said.Though I should add, Ill take Thomas three times before Mantle hits the ground bottle in WIS.