Who's the last FRANCHISE tagged player to be dealt (1 Viewer)

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Factually speaking, who is the last franchise tagged player to be traded for two first round picks?

I contend it's Sean Gilbert from Washington to Carolina.

I know what happened to the Bears after they let Washington swoop in and get Wilber Marshall for two first rounders, I don't want to see them make the same mistake - unless of course if it's for a Top 8 Pick in this year's draft, and another draft pick next year. Washington was smart, they were pickin' REAL late in the draft when they obtained Wilber Marshall.

The Bears window of opportunity is NOW. They don't need to be trading away one of their top defensive playmakers.

And don't bore me with details about 'transition' tagged players (ie Hutchinson) or players that weren't free agents that got traded (Portis/Bailey)

 

[trader jake]

Joey Galloway

In 2000, Galloway was hit with the franchise tag by the Seahawks. The Cowboys signed him giving up first round picks in 2000 (19th overall) and 2001 (9th overall) that the Seahawks used to select Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson, respectively.

 

[redman]

Factually speaking, who is the last franchise tagged player to be traded for two first round picks?I contend it's Sean Gilbert from Washington to Carolina.I know what happened to the Bears after they let Washington swoop in and get Wilber Marshall for two first rounders, I don't want to see them make the same mistake - unless of course if it's for a Top 8 Pick in this year's draft, and another draft pick next year. Washington was smart, they were pickin' REAL late in the draft when they obtained Wilber Marshall.The Bears window of opportunity is NOW. They don't need to be trading away one of their top defensive playmakers.And don't bore me with details about 'transition' tagged players (ie Hutchinson) or players that weren't free agents that got traded (Portis/Bailey)

Technically, Marshall wasn't a "franchise player" because the rule didn't exist at the time. I'll try to figure out what the rule was. But yes, it was an ideal time to do this because they'd just won the Super Bowl and their first rounder was as low as can be.

 

[redman]

BTW, Grid. What would you think if the Super Bowl winning Colts gave Chicago two #1's for him?

 

[BassNBrew]

BTW, Grid. What would you think if the Super Bowl winning Colts gave Chicago two #1's for him?

That Carolina deal had to be as bad as the Herschal Walker deal.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

A) Indy doesn't have the cap space and they enough of their own players to resign (June, Rhodes, Freeney)

B) I never said that Wilbur Marshall was franchise tagged, as their was only Plan B free agency back then. But truth be told, the Bears got two first rounders for him, so the circumstances are damned near identical, right down to the position of OLB. ...and the utter nonsense that 'the MLB' had to be the highest paid player amonst the linebackers. They gave us this BS that Marshall couldn't make more than Singletary, and it would mess up their organization. This before the salary cap too...

 

[trader jake]

BTW, Grid. What would you think if the Super Bowl winning Colts gave Chicago two #1's for him?

That Carolina deal had to be as bad as the Herschal Walker deal.

And Gilbert made more total cash...and he sat out a full year.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Joey Galloway

In 2000, Galloway was hit with the franchise tag by the Seahawks. The Cowboys signed him giving up first round picks in 2000 (19th overall) and 2001 (9th overall) that the Seahawks used to select Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson, respectively.

Thanks trader jake! I forgot all about Galloway.I guess Keyshawn Johnson was too... Old WRs don't die, they languish in mediocrity in the lone star state.

 

[trader jake]

Joey Galloway

In 2000, Galloway was hit with the franchise tag by the Seahawks. The Cowboys signed him giving up first round picks in 2000 (19th overall) and 2001 (9th overall) that the Seahawks used to select Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson, respectively.

Thanks trader jake! I forgot all about Galloway.I guess Keyshawn Johnson was too... Old WRs don't die, they languish in mediocrity in the lone star state.

Whatever GRID.Signed, Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Joey Galloway

In 2000, Galloway was hit with the franchise tag by the Seahawks. The Cowboys signed him giving up first round picks in 2000 (19th overall) and 2001 (9th overall) that the Seahawks used to select Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson, respectively.

Thanks trader jake! I forgot all about Galloway.I guess Keyshawn Johnson was too... Old WRs don't die, they languish in mediocrity in the lone star state.

Whatever GRID.Signed, Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn

Do me favor, send me a memo when they win a playoff game with a star on their helmet.

 

[trader jake]

Whatever GRID.Signed, Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn

Do me favor, send me a memo when they win a playoff game with a star on their helmet.

I agree with you...the above was sarcasm. So you're not a fan of Jerry Jones...International Man of Mysterious General Managing? That Galloway trade turned out to be one of the worst of the past 20 years. If the Bears could get two first round picks for Briggs they should do so. Of course, I don't see that happening but with his contract demands it might be a necessary evil to move him...eventually.

 

[redman]

Whatever GRID.Signed, Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn

Do me favor, send me a memo when they win a playoff game with a star on their helmet.

I agree with you...the above was sarcasm. So you're not a fan of Jerry Jones...International Man of Mysterious General Managing? That Galloway trade turned out to be one of the worst of the past 20 years. If the Bears could get two first round picks for Briggs they should do so. Of course, I don't see that happening but with his contract demands it might be a necessary evil to move him...eventually.

Weren't the two players selected with those picks Shawn Alexander and Steve Hutchinson? How good would they have looked to Cowboys fans in their team's uniform?

 

[trader jake]

Weren't the two players selected with those picks Shawn Alexander and Steve Hutchinson? How good would they have looked to Cowboys fans in their team's uniform?

Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson. Dallas didn't fare so well in that deal...Galloway was injured and the Cowboys as a team hit the skids quickly thereafter.

 

[Bri]

Factually speaking, who is the last franchise tagged player to be traded for two first And don't bore me with details about 'transition' tagged players (ie Hutchinson) or players that weren't free agents that got traded (Portis/Bailey)

eh nevermind

 

[David Yudkin]

IIRC, there are two types of franchise tags--"exclusive" and "non-exclusive." I rarely see it reported which way players are tagged when reported by the media.

I believe that an "exclusive" franchise tag uses the average of the top 5 at that player's position based on THIS YEAR'S salaries (2007) and no other team can negotiate with that player. That all but guarantees that player is stuck on his original team (unless he holds out or is traded).

A "non-exclusive" franchise tag is the one where a player can negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheeet, at which point his original team can either match it or let him walk for two first round picks as compensation. IIRC, that one uses the top 5 average salary from the PREVIOUS year (2006) at his position.

At least that's what I think the rules are (or at least were in the last CBA).

 

[redman]

IIRC, there are two types of franchise tags--"exclusive" and "non-exclusive." I rarely see it reported which way players are tagged when reported by the media.I believe that an "exclusive" franchise tag uses the average of the top 5 at that player's position based on THIS YEAR'S salaries (2007) and no other team can negotiate with that player. That all but guarantees that player is stuck on his original team (unless he holds out or is traded).A "non-exclusive" franchise tag is the one where a player can negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheeet, at which point his original team can either match it or let him walk for two first round picks as compensation. IIRC, that one uses the top 5 average salary from the PREVIOUS year (2006) at his position.At least that's what I think the rules are (or at least were in the last CBA).

Interesting. I'm certainly one who wasn't aware of that formal distinction. I had always just interpreted events in certain cases to mean that the teams had, on their own with the player, agreed in a particular case to allow the player to talk trade with other teams without there being a tampering problem. Essentially, it was a tampering waiver by the team with whom the player was under contract to see if a trade could be worked out. I didn't think it was a type of franchise tag.

 

[gocats]

IIRC, there are two types of franchise tags--"exclusive" and "non-exclusive." I rarely see it reported which way players are tagged when reported by the media.I believe that an "exclusive" franchise tag uses the average of the top 5 at that player's position based on THIS YEAR'S salaries (2007) and no other team can negotiate with that player. That all but guarantees that player is stuck on his original team (unless he holds out or is traded).A "non-exclusive" franchise tag is the one where a player can negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheeet, at which point his original team can either match it or let him walk for two first round picks as compensation. IIRC, that one uses the top 5 average salary from the PREVIOUS year (2006) at his position.At least that's what I think the rules are (or at least were in the last CBA).

Isnt the second referred to as a Transition Player?

 

[Biabreakable]

BTW, Grid. What would you think if the Super Bowl winning Colts gave Chicago two #1's for him?

That Carolina deal had to be as bad as the Herschal Walker deal.

Not quite. But it is possibly the 2nd worst trade I know of.

 

[BassNBrew]

BTW, Grid. What would you think if the Super Bowl winning Colts gave Chicago two #1's for him?

That Carolina deal had to be as bad as the Herschal Walker deal.

Not quite. But it is possibly the 2nd worst trade I know of.

Who did the Skins draft...err....trade away those first round picks for???

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

They got Arrington/Samuels with the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in 2000. They must have traded the other first rounder: http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/redskins.html

1 1 Courtney Brown Browns DE Penn State

2 2 LaVar Arrington Redskins LB Penn State

3 3 Chris Samuels Redskins T Alabama

4 4 Peter Warrick Bengals WR Florida State

5 5 Jamal Lewis Ravens RB Tennessee

6 6 Corey Simon Eagles DT Florida State

7 7 Thomas Jones Cardinals RB Virginia

8 8 Plaxico Burress Steelers WR Michigan State

9 9 Brian Urlacher Bears LB New Mexico

10 10 Travis Taylor Ravens WR Florida

11 11 Ron Dayne Giants RB Wisconsin

12 12 Shaun Ellis Jets DE Tennessee

13 13 John Abraham Jets LB South Carolina

14 14 Bubba Franks Packers TE Miami (FL)

15 15 Deltha O'Neal Broncos DB California

16 16 Julian Peterson 49ers LB Michigan State

17 17 Sebastian Janikowski Raiders K Florida State

18 18 Chad Pennington Jets QB Marshall

19 19 Shaun Alexander Seahawks RB Alabama

20 20 Stockar McDougle Lions T Oklahoma

21 21 Sylvester Morris Chiefs WR Jackson State

22 22 Chris McIntosh Seahawks T Wisconsin

23 23 Rashard Anderson Panthers DB Jackson State

24 24 Ahmed Plummer 49ers DB Ohio State

25 25 Chris Hovan Vikings DT Boston College

26 26 Erik Flowers Bills DE Arizona State

27 27 Anthony Becht Jets TE West Virginia

28 28 Rob Morris Colts LB Brigham Young

29 29 R. Jay Soward Jaguars WR USC

30 30 Keith Bulluck Titans LB Syracuse

31 31 Trung Canidate Rams RB Arizona

I can honestly say that I think the Bears did alright with their first round pick after whiffing on Enis and McNown in prior years.

 

[David Yudkin]

IIRC, there are two types of franchise tags--"exclusive" and "non-exclusive." I rarely see it reported which way players are tagged when reported by the media.I believe that an "exclusive" franchise tag uses the average of the top 5 at that player's position based on THIS YEAR'S salaries (2007) and no other team can negotiate with that player. That all but guarantees that player is stuck on his original team (unless he holds out or is traded).A "non-exclusive" franchise tag is the one where a player can negotiate with other teams and sign an offer sheeet, at which point his original team can either match it or let him walk for two first round picks as compensation. IIRC, that one uses the top 5 average salary from the PREVIOUS year (2006) at his position.At least that's what I think the rules are (or at least were in the last CBA).

Isnt the second referred to as a Transition Player?

No. A transition tag is when the original team has to offer the player an average of the top 10 at his position and the player can go out and negotiate with other teams. If another team makes an offer, the original team can match it to keep the player BUT GETS NO COMPENSATION IN RETURN (well, at least not directly). That's what happened last year with Steve Hutchinson and SEA/MIN. IIRC, SEA will still earn a 3rd round compensatory pick in this year's draft for the loss of Hutchinson last year, but that is an extra pick at the end of the round (not one of Minnesota's).

 

[Z-Dog]

Joey Galloway

In 2000, Galloway was hit with the franchise tag by the Seahawks. The Cowboys signed him giving up first round picks in 2000 (19th overall) and 2001 (9th overall) that the Seahawks used to select Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson, respectively.

Thanks trader jake! I forgot all about Galloway.I guess Keyshawn Johnson was too... Old WRs don't die, they languish in mediocrity in the lone star state.

Keyshawn was traded to the Bucs for two firsts, #13 and #27 overall in 2000, which became John Abraham and Anothony Becht. But Keyshawn wasn't a franchise player. He was under contract for two more years when he was traded by Parcells. Abraham was later traded as a franchise player for #29 overall last year. That pick became Nick Mangold, which just goes to show that even retired, Parcells just keeps on givin'.

 

[redman]

They got Arrington/Samuels with the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in 2000. They must have traded the other first rounder: http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/redskins.html

It's not quite that simple because the 'Skins traded down with the Saints (who wanted Ricky Williams) and then back up in 1999 to get Champ Bailey, and then turned 3 first round picks (1 from the Saints; 1 from the Panthers), plus their own of course into two of the top three picks in 2000 to land Samuels and Arrington. That, plus the Gilbert deal itself, was some of the best drafting and trading of draft picks that they've had in the last ten years so no regrets from this 'Skins fan. Samuels is still on the roster of course, and figuratively speaking so is Bailey in the form of Portis who was obtained in trade for Bailey; Arrington appeared in several Pro Bowls but frankly was always overrated, all sizzle no steak, so I'm certainly envious of the Urlacher selection six picks later. And no, I don't know what the Panthers were thinking in dumping 2 #1's for a DT who had held out for one year because God told him to get a better contract than the 'Skins were offering.