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Who's under more pressure Luck or RGIII? (1 Viewer)
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Whichever one doesn't deal well with pressure. I'm guessing both will be fine, that this extra "pressure" will be irrelevant to them both.
mjr
Footballguy
I think RGIII would be under more pressure considering what Washington gave up to aquire that #2 pick, not to mention Shanny needs to show he can do better than 5-11 in DC to keep his job. Indy cleaned house and is in total rebuild mode. After last season, there's nowhere to go but up. All Luck has to do is not suck horribly and it would be considerd progress in Indy.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
When Manning was drafted the Colts already had 1st rounders Marvin Harrison and Tarik Glenn on the team. Luck and the Colts are starting from scratch.
massraider
Footballguy
Has a team ever let a franchise QB go to take a rookie? The injury and so forth made the decision easy, I get that. But what if Manning wins a title somewhere, and Luck struggles? Luck no doubt.
Deamon
Footballguy
I also think RG3. Given the amount wash gave up, plus the expectations on the teams next year (Wash's season would be a failure if they go under .500, where as if Luck improves Indy to say 6 wins, thats great optimism), plus washingtons a much bigger market. This is one of the biggest profiled players the city has seen in any sport in some time. It seems RG3 is going to be more talked about and pumped up in the media then Luck is. Obviously today he is, but I think he'll be the bigger story going into the season too.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Other: Mark Sanchez
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Luck has MUCH more pressure.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Luck by far.
Sure, Washington gave up a lot for RG3, but Indy changed the entire philosophy of their franchise for Luck. If a once in a decade prospect like Luck didn't exist Indy probably would have brought back Peyton and most of their FA's and tried to make a couple more Super Bowl runs. Instead, because they believe in Luck, they cut half a dozen pro bowlers and completely redirected their franchise.
Sure, Washington gave up a lot for RG3, but Indy changed the entire philosophy of their franchise for Luck. If a once in a decade prospect like Luck didn't exist Indy probably would have brought back Peyton and most of their FA's and tried to make a couple more Super Bowl runs. Instead, because they believe in Luck, they cut half a dozen pro bowlers and completely redirected their franchise.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Luck is the most universally praised prospects in history, and the Colts -- who have averaged 12 wins per season this past decade -- are letting one of the best players in the history of the game leave even though a dozen other teams are dying to land him, because they are drafting Luck. I don't know that there's ever been more pressure on a rookie QB.
trader jake
Footballguy
Those of you saying "Luck by far" are failing to consider the media markets each of the quarterbacks will enter (and the current team expectations?). The Redskin fan base is rabid and that media market won't let the high profile owner and head coach forget the price paid to acquire RGIII anytime soon. Indianapolis just curb stomped their own roster and team expectations will be much, much lower entering 2012. If the Colts do poorly next season, they benefit long-term with a higher draft pick. Not so much in DC.
RGIII is the Heisman winning QB that just watched his future employer be the first organization to give up three 1st round picks since Minnesota in the Hershel Walker deal. That's pressure. With or without Peyton Manning the Colts were not going to win a Super Bowl in the next two seasons anyway. Andrew Luck will be afforded some time by fans and the media because the talent around him will be very poor early on.
RGIII is the Heisman winning QB that just watched his future employer be the first organization to give up three 1st round picks since Minnesota in the Hershel Walker deal. That's pressure. With or without Peyton Manning the Colts were not going to win a Super Bowl in the next two seasons anyway. Andrew Luck will be afforded some time by fans and the media because the talent around him will be very poor early on.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...the fact that Manning is still playing means Luck will be measured somewhat against him even though that's not fair...if 2-3 years from now Manning is still playing at an elite level and winning 11 games or so and the Colts are only winning 4-5 games than Luck will really feel the heat...one thing I would be very concerned about is Luck's supporting cast...not just the talent level but who are the veterans Luck and the other other youngsters can lean on...going young sounds good on paper but you need quality veterans around to lend stability and right now it appears the Colts are severely lacking in that area...it's tough enough following Manning on the field but right now it looks like Luck has to take over his leadership role as well...that's a lot of responsibility...
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cstu
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On some level they will be compared, but no one is expecting Luck to lead the Colts to a SB any time soon. The team has been dismantled and expectations this year for Luck are going to relatively low for a #1 pick. If he looks decent and wins 4-5 games then the fans will be happy. There will some disappointment if Manning wins a SB for another team but most Colts fans will realize that he wasn't going to win another one in Indy. RG3 on the other hand is in a big media market and expected to win right away. The team mortgaged their future for him and if he doesn't deliver playoff wins he will be crushed by the media and blamed for all of the teams failures (i.e. "We could have had X, Y and Z Pro Bowl players if we hadn't traded for RG3").
my thoughts:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1094592-draft-analysis-are-we-underestimating-andrew-lucks-potential-to-underperform
cstu
Footballguy
People are excited to see how Luck plays but I think you are over-estimating what people are expecting out of him. The guy he's replacing completed just 56% of his passes and threw 28 INT's as a rookie, despite having a Pro Bowl RB and a 1st round WR going into his 3rd season.Even the guy you mention as a comparison, Eli Manning, took 5 years to complete more than 57% of his passes or become a Pro Bowl player and the Giants gave up a lot more to get him.
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ninerfanatic492000
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And some guy wearing 28 in the backfield. Whose cerebral prowess(possibly unrivaled) prolly exponentially advanced a young Peyton'Donnybrook said:
All of that becomes moot if Peyton Manning's next team is highly successful. Luck's expectations already sky high, if the Colts are losing and Peyton's team is winning, the fans may take their frustation out on Luck... The comparison for Luck is Peyton, not Painter. It might not be rational, but that's how a good segment of sports team fanbases think.People are excited to see how Luck plays but I think you are over-estimating what people are expecting out of him. The guy he's replacing completed just 56% of his passes and threw 28 INT's as a rookie, despite having a Pro Bowl RB and a 1st round WR going into his 3rd season.Even the guy you mention as a comparison, Eli Manning, took 5 years to complete more than 57% of his passes or become a Pro Bowl player and the Giants gave up a lot more to get him.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Neither should feel much short-term pressure.
Luck is surrounded by an atrocious lack of talent and anything more than 3 wins would be seen as a positive this year. Since Peyton didn't play last year, there's probably less stigma that he's following in Manning's shoes. He only has to live up to Curtis Painter in the short-term. I think in 3-4 years there will be pressure only under 1 scenario, and that is Peyton winning playoff games in Denver. If Peyton doesn't do anything in Denver, there is NO pressure on Luck for a long time.
RG3 is surrounded by an average team that has been mediocre for years, so in DC we just want to see some upside at the QB position. In the 3-4 year range he'll definitely feel pressure. Football is the only sport in this town. Win or lose, football always matters. The other stuff only matters when the Caps/Bullets
are winning. DC press is as negative as any and they'll only give him so long. Shanny will be at the end of his contract. I think the one thing RG3 has going for him pressure-wise is..and yes I'll say it... the race card. DC (and PG county where the stadium is) have a large African American contingent, and a significant number of African American businesses that buy luxury suites. The success of an African American QB in this town, especially one that seems to have himself totally together, would be HUGE for pride in the team, selling newspapers, and Daniel Synder's sales.
Luck is surrounded by an atrocious lack of talent and anything more than 3 wins would be seen as a positive this year. Since Peyton didn't play last year, there's probably less stigma that he's following in Manning's shoes. He only has to live up to Curtis Painter in the short-term. I think in 3-4 years there will be pressure only under 1 scenario, and that is Peyton winning playoff games in Denver. If Peyton doesn't do anything in Denver, there is NO pressure on Luck for a long time.
RG3 is surrounded by an average team that has been mediocre for years, so in DC we just want to see some upside at the QB position. In the 3-4 year range he'll definitely feel pressure. Football is the only sport in this town. Win or lose, football always matters. The other stuff only matters when the Caps/Bullets
are winning. DC press is as negative as any and they'll only give him so long. Shanny will be at the end of his contract. I think the one thing RG3 has going for him pressure-wise is..and yes I'll say it... the race card. DC (and PG county where the stadium is) have a large African American contingent, and a significant number of African American businesses that buy luxury suites. The success of an African American QB in this town, especially one that seems to have himself totally together, would be HUGE for pride in the team, selling newspapers, and Daniel Synder's sales.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Luck has to outplay two years of expectation, the legacy of Peyton Manning, the pressure of being the #1 pick, and Robert Griffin.
He has way more pressure.
He has way more pressure.
Yenrub
Footballguy
All that plus being called possibly the best QB prospect ever or this generation’s best QB prospect or the best QB prospect since John Elway or whatever else the so called experts are saying about this kid.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That is an interesting segment. If Hoge actually put in 120 hours of tape on these two I guess you have to value the opinion a little. Waiting for concussion jokes.... I wish I could recall his thoughts on Cam last year.
cstu
Footballguy
So does he.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Good start!
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, 120 hours of film is hard to ignore. He gets to watch the actual coaches film, too. That makes a big difference. Hoge isn't all there IMO though so you have to take it with a grain of salt.What's most interesting is that he thinks real NFL teams are reconsidering who the #1 pick should be. Does he have actual NFL connections he's talked to that also support this theory? Something to think about anyway.
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