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Why aren't the Bucs in on the FA frenzy (1 Viewer)

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I'm not that familiar with their needs but seeing how they were the team the furthest below the salary cap and need to pay out a minimum I thought they would have the FA pursuit upper hand. Any thoughts from some Buc fans or are you just frustrated?

 
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:shrug:

People down here are a bit perplexed as well. Sports radio is going nuts.

I've always been a proponent of building a young strong team through the draft and adding pieces later through free agency to put you over the top. It seems like the core developed quickly here, and a couple key free agents would have gone a long way toward a 3-5 year Super Bowl window. Not much happening yet.

 
any chance they bring in someone to compete/compliment Blount? Who is behind him now? Caddy is gone, Ward gone right?

 
Hey Banger,

They drafted Allen Bradford., I've been telling people that he wil see action and will take the RB2 role IMO. They could really use a veteran WR2 while Benn is healing up. Also would like to see the Bucs shore up their back 7 on defense.

I think the Bucs owners are still cheap and still overextended themselves when they purchased Manchester United. Also I think that cap floor has to be hit at the end of the season so don't put it past them to be $30m under thecap when the seasn opens. They are not going to spend big money this year.

Also they did resign their guys including Joseph And Trueblood.

-MOP

 
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Allen Bradford is a solid rookie RB but i dont think he could handle that RB2 role this year. The Bucs need to get someone quick before they all go out

 
One positive I'm taking from this is it doesn't seem like the FO believes Talib will be for long.

Not sure what's up with Ruud.

:shrug:

 
Hey Banger,They drafted Allen Bradford., I've been telling people that he wil see action and will take the RB2 role IMO. They could really use a veteran WR2 while Benn is healing up. Also would like to see the Bucs shore up their back 7 on defense. I think the Bucs owners are still cheap and still overextended themselves when they purchased Manchester United. Also I think that cap floor has to be hit at the end of the season so don't put it past them to be $30m under thecap when the seasn opens. They are not going to spend big money this year. Also they did resign their guys including Joseph And Trueblood. -MOP
thx MOP
 
One positive I'm taking from this is it doesn't seem like the FO believes Talib will be for long. Not sure what's up with Ruud. :shrug:
I think Ruud's gone and they are going with Mason Foster. Dominik's recent statement about Ruud's "6 years of service" seems telling.
 
Replace "Bucs" with "Browns" and I feel your frustrations EXACTLY! :confused:

All I have been hearing is that they were going after Ray Edwards, Charles Johnson or another nice DE, but that crop is thinning RAPIDLY. :mellow:

 
any chance they bring in someone to compete/compliment Blount? Who is behind him now? Caddy is gone, Ward gone right?
I don't think Caddy is gone. He's still the more polished pass catcher, so he'll be valuable on 3rd downs. His price is at bargain basement level and he'll comply. Plus he's a much better short yardage and goal line back than Blount. Blount proved he was good between the 20's last year, but failed to convert some key 3rd downs on short yardage that probably would have given the Buc's that elusive 11th win and a trip to the playoffs. Not saying that Blount can't grow into the role of short yardage/GL back, but he's not there yet.
 
I think the salary floor figures may have been mis-reported. I heard something about it not kicking in fully until next season, as lobbied for by the small-market owners.

 
Free agency is overrated. Unless you're getting a potential hall-of-famer it's usually not worth it to overpay for guys past their prime. Look at the annual great teams in this league like the Packers, Steelers, Colts, and Patriots. They never make a big splash in free agency (especially Pittsburgh and Indianapolis) yet they're competing for Super Bowls every season. That is the model that the Buccaneers should follow. Build from within.

 
I think the early signing announcements have everyone in a premature frenzy about why certain teams aren't active. The reality is that FA doesn't officially start until 2 hours and 18 minutes from now. I think we're going to see the real flood this evening and through the weekend.

Tampa will make some moves; the salary floor ensures it. But I suspect they will be shrewd with their contracts and try to extend certain core guys on the roster, starting with Freeman, if ultimately they don't see free agents worth dropping the coin for instead.

They have done a solid job of drafting the last few seasons and are already loaded with young talent, but obviously have a lot of salary room to play with in order to try to fill remaining roster holes if they see guys in FA worth targeting.

 
I agree. Just look at all those Super Bowl titles the Redskins have won recently.

You can't say the Glazers are broke. They just gave Joseph, Black and the punter huge deals, and it is a 100% guarantee that they extend Freeman this year. Dominik just has a plan and he's sticking to it.

 
As posted in the other thread, there are no floors at all for individual teams until 2013.

Looks like Browns and Bucs fans might be in the same boat as us Bengals fans.

Those expecting a flurry of activity so their team reaches a spending floor are going to be very disappointed.

 
As posted in the other thread, there are no floors at all for individual teams until 2013.

Looks like Browns and Bucs fans might be in the same boat as us Bengals fans.

Those expecting a flurry of activity so their team reaches a spending floor are going to be very disappointed.
Clipped from the CIN thread: It looks like you are right - there is no 89% minimum until 2013, but 99% of the salary cap must be spent in cash in aggregate between 2011-2012. However, because of Salary Cap flexibility during 2011, some teams can basically go OVER the cap by 6.5 million: LINK

2011 salary cap flexibility: Even though the salary cap was ostensibly scaled back, teams were given two avenues to make it easier to retain high priced veterans this year. Teams can “borrow” $3 million against future salary caps to pay for veterans. They can also use another $3.5 million in what would otherwise be performance-based pay to use for veterans.

So the cap really isn’t $120.375 million. It’s basically $126.88 if teams want it to be. An extra $6.5 million won’t save guys that truly deserve to get cut, but it will make life easier for teams near the cap limit.
So it looks as if the Bengals and the Bucs are betting that enough teams will go OVER the cap in 2011 to keep the aggregate number at 99% of the salary cap, allowing them room in the collective space to keep their team payrolls artificially low until 2013.Huh. Sorry CIN and TB fans...

 
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As posted in the other thread, there are no floors at all for individual teams until 2013.

Looks like Browns and Bucs fans might be in the same boat as us Bengals fans.

Those expecting a flurry of activity so their team reaches a spending floor are going to be very disappointed.
Clipped from the CIN thread: It looks like you are right - there is no 89% minimum until 2013, but 99% of the salary cap must be spent in cash in aggregate between 2011-2012. However, because of Salary Cap flexibility during 2011, some teams can basically go OVER the cap by 6.5 million: LINK

2011 salary cap flexibility: Even though the salary cap was ostensibly scaled back, teams were given two avenues to make it easier to retain high priced veterans this year. Teams can “borrow” $3 million against future salary caps to pay for veterans. They can also use another $3.5 million in what would otherwise be performance-based pay to use for veterans.

So the cap really isn’t $120.375 million. It’s basically $126.88 if teams want it to be. An extra $6.5 million won’t save guys that truly deserve to get cut, but it will make life easier for teams near the cap limit.
So it looks as if the Bengals and the Bucs are betting that enough teams will go OVER the cap in 2011 to keep the aggregate number at 99% of the salary cap, allowing them room in the collective space to keep their team payrolls artificially low until 2013.Huh. Sorry CIN and TB fans...
As pointed out in the CIN thread, there are details missing about the 99% aggregate spend during 2011-2012 in the published reports. We'll know more after the free agency period really kicks off at 6 PM ET tonight and we see how CIN, TB, CLE act then...
 
The Glazers should just remember this when they are complaining about the stadium having 10,000 empty seats and they are threatening to black out every home game (again)

 
As posted in the other thread, there are no floors at all for individual teams until 2013.

Looks like Browns and Bucs fans might be in the same boat as us Bengals fans.

Those expecting a flurry of activity so their team reaches a spending floor are going to be very disappointed.
Clipped from the CIN thread: It looks like you are right - there is no 89% minimum until 2013, but 99% of the salary cap must be spent in cash in aggregate between 2011-2012. However, because of Salary Cap flexibility during 2011, some teams can basically go OVER the cap by 6.5 million: LINK

2011 salary cap flexibility: Even though the salary cap was ostensibly scaled back, teams were given two avenues to make it easier to retain high priced veterans this year. Teams can “borrow” $3 million against future salary caps to pay for veterans. They can also use another $3.5 million in what would otherwise be performance-based pay to use for veterans.

So the cap really isn’t $120.375 million. It’s basically $126.88 if teams want it to be. An extra $6.5 million won’t save guys that truly deserve to get cut, but it will make life easier for teams near the cap limit.
So it looks as if the Bengals and the Bucs are betting that enough teams will go OVER the cap in 2011 to keep the aggregate number at 99% of the salary cap, allowing them room in the collective space to keep their team payrolls artificially low until 2013.Huh. Sorry CIN and TB fans...
As pointed out in the CIN thread, there are details missing about the 99% aggregate spend during 2011-2012 in the published reports. We'll know more after the free agency period really kicks off at 6 PM ET tonight and we see how CIN, TB, CLE act then...
Mark, based upon my understanding, the bolded sentence is not how it actually works. The 99% refers to actual cash going out, not to the salary cap numbers. Thus, the Bengals, Bucs, etc. aren't necessarily counting on teams going 6 million over the salary cap, but teams spending more than the cap in actual cash.For example, lets say the Panthers dole out 200 million of actual cash this league year with signing bonuses, salary, etc. That all counts towards that 99% amount, even if their cap number is only 120 million. There are a bunch of teams (Jets, Cowboys, Colts, etc.) likely to have well over 120 million being paid out, even if the cap hit of some of that money is spread out over multiple years.

Thus, teams like the Bengals, etc. are probably pretty safe in assuming the 99% is reached even if a bunch of teams don't go over the actual cap.

 
Look, they went 10-6 last year and have one of (if not the) best young QBs in the game. If this idiot fan base doesn't want to support a very good, young team because the Glazers wont overpay some overrated free agents, then #### em. Dominik clearly has a plan and it's working. I'll follow what he's doing rather than worry about message board paranoia.

I'm probably the biggest Bucs fan on this board, and this doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 
There was more to the dip in attendance last year than the perceived frugality of the Glazers...but wounds are healing....a young core has been built...and this town is a football town.

The fans will be back. The local yocal radio jocks are meaningless.

That said...I agree we need some d help asap.

 
Look, they went 10-6 last year and have one of (if not the) best young QBs in the game. If this idiot fan base doesn't want to support a very good, young team because the Glazers wont overpay some overrated free agents, then #### em. Dominik clearly has a plan and it's working. I'll follow what he's doing rather than worry about message board paranoia. I'm probably the biggest Bucs fan on this board, and this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Agreed. I said the same thing last year when people were complaining about not going after Burleson and Brandon Marshall. This team knew what they had in Mike Williams.Then I hear today that DaQuan Bowers looks like an absolute freaking beast in practice already, and is motivated to show 31 teams and the 10 DEs drafted ahead of him just how good he is. He'll fit nicely on a defensive line with Gerald McCoy and Adrian Clayborn.Laugh it up at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers all you want, but they have an enormous amount of young talent.
 
Rumor that Mike Williams was carted off the field in a no-contact practice tonight...hopefully that isn't true...or at least serious...

 
I think I like what this team is doing. I'd rather them run the young guys out full time for another year and see what they can do. This team isn't going to be ready for the big dance till 2013, so why not let them grow up a bit and see where the holes are. No need to bring in a big $$ guy who wont be worth the contract when the window is open.

 
I think I like what this team is doing. I'd rather them run the young guys out full time for another year and see what they can do. This team isn't going to be ready for the big dance till 2013, so why not let them grow up a bit and see where the holes are. No need to bring in a big $$ guy who wont be worth the contract when the window is open.
This team was 10-6, and on the cusp of the playoffs last year. Had they made the playoffs, who knows how far they would have gone. I think you are seriously underestimating this teams potential as not ready till '13. So you think that they are 2 years away? Nonsense! They could compete for it all this year, and they have the pieces in place. The defense being the big concern, but the offense is a juggernaut. Don't sleep on this team.
 
If the Bucs don't sign a veteran WR, does that speak of how they plan to use Benn in the coming year? Does he look to make a big leap this year?

 
Bucs won't be competitive this year with their back 7 so poor. People touting the Bucs' 10-6 record last year may be somewhat forgetting their comparatively easy schedule. I expect the Bucs D to be exposed this year and for their record to regress to at or below .500. Yes, they have a lot of young talent, but I agree with those who are saying they are a couple years away. Their offense is good, but teams have a year of tape of Freeman and Williams and I expect things will be more challenging for them this year (though I love their talent and potential). With the Bucs so far below the salary cap and CB being a glaring need for this team, I would've loved to have seen them make a serious run at one of the young, talented free agent CBs. I can see DB, LB, and maybe OL and (stud) RB being draft priorities next year, especially DB. I think Bucs will lose a fair amount of shoot-outs this year.

 
Look, they went 10-6 last year and have one of (if not the) best young QBs in the game. If this idiot fan base doesn't want to support a very good, young team because the Glazers wont overpay some overrated free agents, then #### em. Dominik clearly has a plan and it's working. I'll follow what he's doing rather than worry about message board paranoia.

I'm probably the biggest Bucs fan on this board, and this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
:no: :bye: But I do agree with everything else you said. :thumbup:

 
Look, they went 10-6 last year and have one of (if not the) best young QBs in the game. If this idiot fan base doesn't want to support a very good, young team because the Glazers wont overpay some overrated free agents, then #### em. Dominik clearly has a plan and it's working. I'll follow what he's doing rather than worry about message board paranoia. I'm probably the biggest Bucs fan on this board, and this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
You can build for the future while at the same time bringing in short term free agents to fill gaps in your lineup...like OT, RB, LB, CB, and S. No one says that you have to sign these guys for 6-7 year contracts. The problem that I have is that they are going to play $50 million below the cap again and hide behind "building through the draft." They will have to give Freeman and Blount (he was only on a 2 year deal) new contracts soon...but that's it. Everyone else that is worth signing is a rookie or second year player. They aren't going to sniff the salary cap until they are absolutely forced to.
 
Afer Rich McKay put the Bucs in salary camp hell for the years, I'm completely on board with the Bucs approach. The following players will need to be signed to extensions in 2-4 years:

Josh Freeman

LeGarrette Blount

Mike Williams

Arrelious Benn

Ted Larsen

Cody Grimm

Gerald McCoy

E.J. Biggers

Myron Lewis

Aqib Talib (if he stays out of trouble)

Brian Price (if he stays healthy)

I'm all for building through the draft and making sure they have enough money to pay these guys when the time comes.

 
Exactly. Contracts you sign now have ramifications 2-3 years from now. Not sure why people don't understand that.

And at the risk of homering up, I don't think the Bucs have many glaring needs. And at the positions they do, I'd rather see the young guys they have get a chance. It's a strategy that's working.

 
Exactly. Contracts you sign now have ramifications 2-3 years from now. Not sure why people don't understand that. And at the risk of homering up, I don't think the Bucs have many glaring needs. And at the positions they do, I'd rather see the young guys they have get a chance. It's a strategy that's working.
I agree. I'd still like to see the Bucs bring in a guy like Jerome Harrison or Jerious Norwood, but neither of them would cost much. Other than that, I think the roster is pretty much set.
 
Exactly. Contracts you sign now have ramifications 2-3 years from now. Not sure why people don't understand that. And at the risk of homering up, I don't think the Bucs have many glaring needs. And at the positions they do, I'd rather see the young guys they have get a chance. It's a strategy that's working.
Their secondary is pretty rough though, wouldn't you agree? They got lit up bad quite a few games last year, once by Charlie Batch, who looked like Tom Brady in that game.
 
Bucs sticking with long-term plan

By Pat Yasinskas

TAMPA, Fla. -- For all those Tampa Bay Buccanneers fans who keep wondering when the Bucs are going to start that free-agent spending frenzy, here’s a news flash. It’s probably not happening.

Although the Bucs admit they’re still looking at some free agents, don’t expect a bunch of huge signings. Maybe one or two big ones or maybe not. Or maybe several mid-level ones.

But a major influx of players is not part of the plan, general manager Mark Dominik said after Friday night’s practice.

“We’re sticking with our plan of how we want to put this thing together and be a long-term contender,’’ Dominik said. “The important thing for me, the important thing for coach [Raheem] Morris and for the ownership is to keep the continuity together.’’

The Bucs have been doing that. They re-signed guard Davin Joseph. They also have kept tackle Jeremy Trueblood and linebacker Quincy Black. Some other free agents, such as Cadillac Williams, still could return.

“There’s been some great big deals out there and Davin’s a part of that, but at the same time point, we look at our football team and make sure that we are budgeting correctly to make sure the guys that are on our football team don’t become free agents one day,’’ Dominik said.

That’s a philosophy that differs sharply from the previous regime of coach Jon Gruden and general manager Bruce Allen, who often brought in veteran free agents and had little success in the draft. But Dominik’s statements should make fans think back to the 1990s, when general manager Rich McKay and coach Tony Dungy followed a philosophy of drafting players, developing a core and keeping the key players for the long term. That seems to be the plan Dominik and Morris are following.

“We all fell in love back in the 90s with that group of guys and we’d like to keep doing that,’’ Dominik said. “We see the contracts that are going around the National Football League right now, you’ve got to budget accordingly today to make sure you can take care of your team tomorrow and that’s what we’re doing.’’
 
Exactly. Contracts you sign now have ramifications 2-3 years from now. Not sure why people don't understand that. And at the risk of homering up, I don't think the Bucs have many glaring needs. And at the positions they do, I'd rather see the young guys they have get a chance. It's a strategy that's working.
Their secondary is pretty rough though, wouldn't you agree? They got lit up bad quite a few games last year, once by Charlie Batch, who looked like Tom Brady in that game.
no I wouldn't agree at all. That game was week 3 of last year and Cody Grimm was forced into his first start after Tanard's violation. I think CB is a strength of the team. I'm not in love with the safeties, but Grimm played real well before he got hurt.
 
As posted in the other thread, there are no floors at all for individual teams until 2013.

Looks like Browns and Bucs fans might be in the same boat as us Bengals fans.

Those expecting a flurry of activity so their team reaches a spending floor are going to be very disappointed.
Clipped from the CIN thread: It looks like you are right - there is no 89% minimum until 2013, but 99% of the salary cap must be spent in cash in aggregate between 2011-2012. However, because of Salary Cap flexibility during 2011, some teams can basically go OVER the cap by 6.5 million: LINK

2011 salary cap flexibility: Even though the salary cap was ostensibly scaled back, teams were given two avenues to make it easier to retain high priced veterans this year. Teams can “borrow” $3 million against future salary caps to pay for veterans. They can also use another $3.5 million in what would otherwise be performance-based pay to use for veterans.

So the cap really isn’t $120.375 million. It’s basically $126.88 if teams want it to be. An extra $6.5 million won’t save guys that truly deserve to get cut, but it will make life easier for teams near the cap limit.
So it looks as if the Bengals and the Bucs are betting that enough teams will go OVER the cap in 2011 to keep the aggregate number at 99% of the salary cap, allowing them room in the collective space to keep their team payrolls artificially low until 2013.Huh. Sorry CIN and TB fans...
As pointed out in the CIN thread, there are details missing about the 99% aggregate spend during 2011-2012 in the published reports. We'll know more after the free agency period really kicks off at 6 PM ET tonight and we see how CIN, TB, CLE act then...
Mark, based upon my understanding, the bolded sentence is not how it actually works. The 99% refers to actual cash going out, not to the salary cap numbers. Thus, the Bengals, Bucs, etc. aren't necessarily counting on teams going 6 million over the salary cap, but teams spending more than the cap in actual cash.For example, lets say the Panthers dole out 200 million of actual cash this league year with signing bonuses, salary, etc. That all counts towards that 99% amount, even if their cap number is only 120 million. There are a bunch of teams (Jets, Cowboys, Colts, etc.) likely to have well over 120 million being paid out, even if the cap hit of some of that money is spread out over multiple years.

Thus, teams like the Bengals, etc. are probably pretty safe in assuming the 99% is reached even if a bunch of teams don't go over the actual cap.
Yup, you're right - the deal for 2011 and 2012 is that the 99% of the salary cap that must be spent league wide is in actual cash spent (not how it counts against the cap). Basically, as I now understand the minimum/floor provisions in the new CBA, cheapskate teams like the Bungles can (for all practical purposes) spend as little as they want during 2011 and 2012, remaining as far below the cap as they like, until 2013 when they will have to bring their payroll up to 89% of the cap. Basically, Mike Brown (and others, if they choose), can put substandard teams on the field with very small payrolls and milk their franchises for lots of cash. It wouldn't surprise me to see Brown sell in preseason 2013 before 2013 when the hard floor comes in. Just a gut feeling there...

 
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