Why do teams do this? (1 Viewer)

[Capella]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles.

Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

 

[PatsWillWin]

4-1-JAC 1 (13:17) L.Washington right tackle to JAX 1 for no gain (G.Sensabaugh).

 

[Capella]

4-1-JAC 1 (13:17) L.Washington right tackle to JAX 1 for no gain (G.Sensabaugh).

Right, after the fullback got it twice. You seem to be missing the point -- why take it away from your playmakers or do something "cute" or out of the ordinary when so deep?

 

[PatsWillWin]

4-1-JAC 1 (13:17) L.Washington right tackle to JAX 1 for no gain (G.Sensabaugh).

Right, after the fullback got it twice. You seem to be missing the point -- why take it away from your playmakers or do something "cute" or out of the ordinary when so deep?

why is it "cute"?my point is washington probably needed a breather since he went back in in the same situation.

 

[Peyton Marino]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles. Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

 

[Tommy Collins]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles.

Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

Westbrook didn't play last week as he was hurt so Buckhalter was the #1 RB for them.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I'd also like to know why do teams punt in the 4th quarter when they are down 4 TDs?

 

[Capella]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles.

Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

Westbrook didn't play last week as he was hurt so Buckhalter was the #1 RB for them.

 

[bostonfred]

I think it has to do with the long term goal of mixing up your tendencies on the goal line. If you never hand the ball to the up back, then the linebackers can wait to commit until they see where the play is flowing. If you never run to the outside, then the line can stack the middle. Goal line defense is all about preconceived plays - there's so little time from the snap of the ball to the end of the play that you have to commit in advance. Coaches who mix things up will do better over the long haul, especially if they don't trust their personnel.

 

[Steve Dallas]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles. Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

You get so cute when you're angry, Capella.

 

[Capella]

The Jets are getting killed, but my point is the same -- Leon Washington is taking them down the field, they gave him the ball 4 or 5 times in a row, he was running well, and wasn't tired -- they just came out of the end of third quarter TO -- and the play call is to some fullback who the announcer says has 3 or 4 carries all year -- and he promptly fumbles. Seems like lots of teams do this -- getting cute inside the 10. The Falcons break out everything short of the statute of liberty when deep in territory, the Jets give it to a guy with no carries, the Eagles have given it to Buckhalter instead of Westbrook, etc etc etc -- it just makes no sense to me. Why do teams have to get all cute -- are they afraid of just pounding it into the end zone?

You get so cute when you're angry, Capella.

Angry? Hell, I have the Jacksonville defense.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

"Dance with what brung ya."

 

[BassNBrew]

You mean something like giving the ball to a guy averaging 3/4 of a yard per carry instead of the guy averaging over 5 ypc?

 

[Capella]

Another sighting tonight. First time the Bears get to the red zone all night and on first down, instead of giving it to their best RB, they hand it to their hulking FB who proceeds to gain 3 inches.

They end up kicking the FG.

Incredibly f'n stupid.

 

[shadyridr]

When I saw the play this thread was the 1st thing I thought about. How sad.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Overcoaching 101 Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon is under fire this season for some dubious play calls that smack of overcoaching. The latest occurred against Carolina. The Browns were down, 17-3, in the third period and were sparked by a 64-yard kickoff return by Josh Cribbs. Three plays later, the Browns faced third-and-inches from the Panthers' 20-yard line. Carthon lined up fifth-round rookie fullback Lawrence Vickers behind blocking back Terrelle Smith. Vickers is the same guy who got the call twice on third-and-1 in the opening game against New Orleans. Both times, on toss sweeps, Vickers failed. So Charlie Frye pitched to Vickers, who threw a halfback option pass to Kellen Winslow, who was triple-covered in the end zone. The ball was broken up. In Week Two, Carthon consistently sent Winslow to the sidelines on third downs.

 

[[scooter]]

It's the "Leroy Hoard Philosophy":

"If you need 1 yard, I'll get you 2. If you need 5 yards, I'll get you 2."

Somehow they think there's a better chance of a big, bruising FB gaining that 1 yard.

 

[Capella]

Overcoaching 101 Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon is under fire this season for some dubious play calls that smack of overcoaching. The latest occurred against Carolina. The Browns were down, 17-3, in the third period and were sparked by a 64-yard kickoff return by Josh Cribbs. Three plays later, the Browns faced third-and-inches from the Panthers' 20-yard line. Carthon lined up fifth-round rookie fullback Lawrence Vickers behind blocking back Terrelle Smith. Vickers is the same guy who got the call twice on third-and-1 in the opening game against New Orleans. Both times, on toss sweeps, Vickers failed. So Charlie Frye pitched to Vickers, who threw a halfback option pass to Kellen Winslow, who was triple-covered in the end zone. The ball was broken up. In Week Two, Carthon consistently sent Winslow to the sidelines on third downs.

It's so stupid, I swear. Bill Simmons has an idea of a "common sense guru" in NFL front offices, a regular guy who says things "I really don't think we should give Chris Henry a long-term contract." I think some coaching staffs should have one as well."No coach, we shouldn't give the guy with 4 carries for 3 yards the ball here. Let's give it to our star running back who drove us down the field instead, and you know, actually score."

 

[shadyridr]

Overcoaching 101 Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon is under fire this season for some dubious play calls that smack of overcoaching. The latest occurred against Carolina. The Browns were down, 17-3, in the third period and were sparked by a 64-yard kickoff return by Josh Cribbs. Three plays later, the Browns faced third-and-inches from the Panthers' 20-yard line. Carthon lined up fifth-round rookie fullback Lawrence Vickers behind blocking back Terrelle Smith. Vickers is the same guy who got the call twice on third-and-1 in the opening game against New Orleans. Both times, on toss sweeps, Vickers failed. So Charlie Frye pitched to Vickers, who threw a halfback option pass to Kellen Winslow, who was triple-covered in the end zone. The ball was broken up. In Week Two, Carthon consistently sent Winslow to the sidelines on third downs.

He was a fullback. What did they expect?