Why Doesn't Tom Brady Hold Out? (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

Just to illustrate how this worked with Brady, here's what he should have earned from 2010-2014 according to the extension he negotiated in 2010 (for the 2011 season and beyond: $78.5 million. 

Here's what he actually earned:

2010: $16 million signing bonus, $3 million roster bonus, $7.5 million salary ($26.5 million).

2011: $4 million roster bonus, $5.75 million salary ($9.75 million).

2012: $6 million roster bonus, $4.8 million signing bonus, $950,000 salary, $250,000 workout bonus ($12 million).

2013: $30 million signing bonus, $1 million salary ($31 million).

2014: $2 million salary.

That's $81.25 million

Tom Brady made $2.75 million more than his original contract said he would, which was the highest contract in the NFL at the time and everyone thinks he renegotiated to help the team and agreed to take less money.

That's some impressive accounting and PR.

Everyone, players included, have a really hard time understanding money likely to actually be earned versus phoney fluffed up figures used to look impressive.

Also overlooked in this discussion is that QB money and RB and Safety money are completely different. Brady taking a pay cut basically puts him at what a highly paid RB or safety makes.

 

[Ilov80s]

Bill Belichick is blackmailing TB12's wife. That's been going on for years now- he has some bad stuff on her.   

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bill Belichick is blackmailing TB12's wife. That's been going on for years now- he has some bad stuff on her.   

That must also be how Hue Jackson keeps his gig in Cleveland. Some pics of the owner gettin freaky with Tom Brady or something. 

 

[The Claymaker]

Brady is the GOAT, he doesn’t hold out, he’s a team first player and clearly loves to play. Why else would he be doing it at 40. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Brady is the GOAT, he doesn’t hold out, he’s a team first player and clearly loves to play. Why else would he be doing it at 40. 

Because he’s not the type to be home with a wife that never stops nagging him and kids that need attention? I am not saying that’s how he is, but that would be A reason, not necessarily THE reason.

 

[Cjw_55106]

@Henry Ford seems to be the only one here that gets it. Brady has never been on the short end of the contract stick.  Who cares what the average yearly salary? It’s all about moving the numbers around. I mean, I like the guy as much as anyone but to suggest he’s some sort of charity case is laughable.

 

[jm192]

I think it's in what the player wants, and a lot of that is if they're taken care of for life.

Brady has made money.  He's won superbowls.  He's had endorsement deals.  His wife is loaded.  TB12 doesn't need for money.

Earl Thomas needs money.  

If you've made it, and you can take a pay cut, awesome for you.  Most of the time, I'm pro players getting paid.

 

[huthut]

The Patriots are just gaming the system by paying Brady through his stupid nutrition company thing to circumvent the salary cap, who knows what he is really making. 

 

[Bossman]

I'm surprised Brady even takes a paycheck.

He should really consider redoing his contract these next 2 seasons. What's the $ vet minimum?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Some feel the best think for NE was if Brady retired after the comeback against ATL. That way Jimmy G. could have taken over, Brady would have the record for SB's, and there would have been a smooth transition.

I agree there is a faction that spouts opinions like this.  Revoke their fan cards says I.  I'm just grateful for The Silence of the Rams.  Everything else is gravy.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Spinoff from the "What Happened In Seattle?" thread.

From my GB @Aaron Rudnicki

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/8/9/17671350/tom-brady-contract-2018-serious-bargain-blake-bortles-ahahahah

"The 41-year-old quarterback cut the Pats a hometown bargain as he enters the second-to-last year of his contract with the team. Brady will cost New England just $15 million this fall, making him the league’s 22nd highest-paid passer and creating some extra salary cap space for a team that wasn’t exactly hurting for room in the first place."

He's not what he was, but clearly Brady is better than the 22nd best QB.

It seems interesting to me that teams like Seattle are scum of the earth for not paying guys like Earl Thomas. But the Patriots and Brady continue on with Brady well underpaid in comparison to other QBs. 

Why doesn't he hold out? 

Rings? Wife's money? Has enough already? Other stuff?

What's your take?

Well I'm not on the side of Earl Thomas.  Too much whining for guys making over 10 million a year. If you can't live on that for the rest if your life, you're very stupid.

 

[voiceofunreason]

I think it's in what the player wants, and a lot of that is if they're taken care of for life.

Brady has made money.  He's won superbowls.  He's had endorsement deals.  His wife is loaded.  TB12 doesn't need for money.

Earl Thomas needs money.  

If you've made it, and you can take a pay cut, awesome for you.  Most of the time, I'm pro players getting paid.

So you really worry about Earl Thomas needing money? Really? You actually believe that?

He gets over 10 million this year and his broken leg wont stop anyone from paying him next year. Though his behavior should be a red flag and will hurt him. 

If you worry about players look at the guys making the league minimum who will be out of the league in a year.

 

[Phenomena]

I think people are missing out on it in this thread ... didn't the Pats give him a boatload of guaranteed money a few years ago?  Basically, more than any other QB at the time. He got more guaranteed money but a lower APY - this was a benefit to both Brady and the Pats.  Brady wins because he would have gotten $60M or something even if he was hurt immediately.  The Pats win if he stays healthy and leads them to multiple Super Bowls.  You can't go back after making that agreement and argue that you need more APY because you didn't get hurt. 

 

[Short Corner]

Why is this Mickey Mouse thread in the shark pool?  

 

[bostonfred]

@Joe 8ryant

The team routinely loses a lot of good players in free agency and has to replace them.  

A lot of free agents want to sign with the Patriots to make a Superbowl run 

Signing mid level veterans is difficult because they want different things. Some want guaranteed money others want one year deals. The Patriots like to give performance incentives too, and those are tricky with the cap. 

Cap flexibility is a strategic advantage.  Being a popular destination is a strategic advantage. Being able to add a free agent at any time is a strategic advantage.  Being able to cut or trade anyone at any time is a strategic advantage too, because veterans learn they can't loaf.

The CBA only allows you to renegotiate your contract once per year. 

Brady's contract is the highest on the team, so his contract is written in a team friendly way that allows them cap flexibility, then he renegotiates it almost every year at the end of the year and comes out slightly ahead. 

It's a win win for brady and the team, and it's the reason they're able to constantly reload when they lose talent.  It's also why they tend to struggle early in the year, because they're breaking in new guys and learning what they can all do. 

If Brady held out, he could get more money, but he's already going to get a pay raise at the end of the year when he inevitably renegotiates, and dictate his terms for the next contract at that time. 

 

[Donnybrook]

I imagine Joe Montana's nfl career earnings probably pale in comparison to his post career earnings. I think Tom Brady knows this.

 

[Anarchy99]

If Brady held out, he could get more money, but he's already going to get a pay raise at the end of the year when he inevitably renegotiates, and dictate his terms for the next contract at that time. 

From everything I've read, NE isn't going to give him a new deal and are unlikely to start paying him more money moving forward for future years. If he gets anything, he will get another incentive package like he and Gronk got. His issues with NE are not really money-driven.

From what I've seen, NE will let his contract play out and he will get to the point where he has no deal. Then they will sit down and have the proverbial airing of grievances and discuss where everyone is at. His performance, his desire to still play, his health, the squabbling, the trainer/TB12 situation, where the team is headed, succession planning at QB, succession planning at QB, what his wife will let him participate in time-wise, etc. If they can't have a mutual meeting of the minds, then they part ways. All that combined could mean he retires, that he re-signs, or that could mean he signs elsewhere.

Even if he officially became a free agent, that basically means nothing. No one will be able to tempt him with money no matter what the offer was. Best guess he would sign a slightly under market year to year deal sort of like Brees is on these days.

If they have a similar meeting after this season, maybe they add a year to his current deal just to level off his cap hit, but at this point it would make the most sense to consider him year-to-year no matter what his contract says.

At this stage, if NE were to go on and win a SB this year or next, I think he would just call it a day and retire. It would make for an interesting season the following year, as there doesn't appear to be anyone remotely in-house capable of becoming the next NE starting QB.

 

[Anarchy99]

I imagine Joe Montana's nfl career earnings probably pale in comparison to his post career earnings. I think Tom Brady knows this.

Brady could spend $10 million a year for the rest of his life and not run out of money. At this stage I don't really think money is a driving factor or an incentive for him. I am sure he cares about building the TB12 brand to a certain extent, but I don't really see him being a pitchman and selling supplements, healthy snacks, cookbooks, new age pajamas, and what not for very long (he's done all of those already). He probably makes way more at this stage endorsing luxury cars and design watches. He would be able to keep getting endorsement deals and public speaking gigs in the New England area for as long as he could stay upright.