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Why Don't We Discuss Hannah Anderson Here? (1 Viewer)

In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.

 
In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.
Relationship - yes

In on running away - probably

Murder plot - eh...maybe.

 
In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.
I guess we'll probably never know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised to find out she was in on the runaway part. Making it look an abduction might have been part of that. And yeah I'd have to know a lot more to point the finger at her on the torture and killing but then we have seen it before.

 
In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.
I'm not sure. It just seemed odd that she was taking smiling selfies after the ordeal. The fact that she was not killed along with her mother and brother also seemed odd. I bet she had a relationship with him and they talked about running away together. I'd like to think it all spiraled out-of-control on her, but, damn, this story went from tragic to bizarre in a hurry.

I've never heard of this till now.
You never heard of the whole ordeal, or you never heard about the letters and other items found in DiMaggio's house? The later is a very recent development.
Any of it.
Odd. Maybe this story isn't getting the coverage I thought. I typically get the majority of my news from the frontpage of CNN, for better or worse, and this story has been plastered all over it.

 
This is hard to know, what do we mean by in on it? Willingly making a decision to be with him and or participate? Could she even make such a decision?

Even if she was "in on it", without knowing when the relationship would have started and how/what he did it is hard to know her mental state and if she was knowingly in on anything, or capable of mentally deciding to be in or out.

he'd been a family friend for years right? Who knows how early he started grooming her and messing with her mind

none of that is certain, but the point is we have no idea what the dynamic was

the whole thing is just amazingly sad and I fear that girl's troubles are not anywhere near ending

 
Agree. She doesn't seem particularly devastated that her mother and brother died under horrible circumstances.

 
Agree. She doesn't seem particularly devastated that her mother and brother died under horrible circumstances.
Especially considering she didn't know until after her rescue. But to be fair everyone mourns differently so maybe that's it.

 
The lesson here, aside from the common sense to not trust anyone is that you shouldn't let anyone watch your kids, especially when those people offer to let your kids spend weekends out of state with them.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
Well hopefully I am just being a suspicious cynic and she was in no way involved. That would be my preferred ending.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
Well hopefully I am just being a suspicious cynic and she was in no way involved. That would be my preferred ending.
I'm feeling cynical as well, but, agreed. Hope there's nothing else to this sad story.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
The mention of a note from her being found in DeMaggio's home has me suspicious. The fact that they found used condoms and a DNA testing kit, while not damning, is just creepy.

 
I think there is a very good chance she was in on it.
In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.
Relationship - yes

In on running away - probably

Murder plot - eh...maybe.
Agree. She doesn't seem particularly devastated that her mother and brother died under horrible circumstances.
dude.

 
Yeah, she's at least complicit in some part of this. I like how the tactical team had to shoot the guy like 9 times. They haven't even said if he was armed with anything more than a rock at this point.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
Well hopefully I am just being a suspicious cynic and she was in no way involved. That would be my preferred ending.
:goodposting: but put me in the cynic camp unfortunately.

 
I think there is a very good chance she was in on it.
In on it to what degree? Had some relationship with DiMaggio? Certainly seems like it. Maybe involved in idea of running away? Could be. Tying up Mom and Brother? Possibly.

More than that I'd doubt with the little info I know ( ie in on the torture/killing). But who knows at this point. ####ed up and sad.
Relationship - yesIn on running away - probably

Murder plot - eh...maybe.
Agree. She doesn't seem particularly devastated that her mother and brother died under horrible circumstances.
dude.
It's just my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. :shrug:

 
Yeah, she's at least complicit in some part of this. I like how the tactical team had to shoot the guy like 9 times. They haven't even said if he was armed with anything more than a rock at this point.
:lmao: I just thought the same thing while reading up on this. "He reportedly fired a shot at FBI officers. He was hit with 5 shots and killed."

 
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I'm putting 5 bucks she ends up with Life No Parole at +220 right now.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
Well hopefully I am just being a suspicious cynic and she was in no way involved. That would be my preferred ending.
:goodposting: When the report came out today about the "letters" it certainly added to the feeling she wasn't entirely the victim as she describes..

But I'm hoping, like you, the ending isn't that she was involved.

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.

 
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I'm putting 5 bucks she ends up with Life No Parole at +220 right now.
she's 16 right?

I'd take that in a second
Had a thread yesterday where a 13yo got life with for a murder. She says something hateful in those letters she's looking at best at something on the order of 40-100
uh no. Hateful letter <> 40-100 years.

This thread is full of crazy.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
The mention of a note from her being found in DeMaggio's home has me suspicious. The fact that they found used condoms and a DNA testing kit, while not damning, is just creepy.
Welll.....

A handwritten note, handcuff box, camping equipment and a DNA swab kit were among the items found by San Diego deputies in the burned home and garage of James DiMaggio. ...

The list of items is included in a search warrant and affidavits CNN affiliate KFMB obtained.

It detailed what authorities found in the aftermath of the August 4 fire at DiMaggio's home, about 45 miles east of San Diego in the community of Boulevard, and how investigators believe the fire was started....

Other items found on the nine-page list of things seized from the home and the adjacent garage include incendiary devices, a gas can, rolls of duct tape, used condoms, ammunition, an arson wire and letters from Hannah. ...

Also recovered was a map of Yosemite -- a possible clue as to where DiMaggio intended to take Hannah. ...

The list also contained seemingly benign items such as balloons, a fly swatter and a Popsicle box.
Hmmmm....

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?
was patty hearst this young?

and what i am proposing is maybe it was not a kidnapping, but systematic abuse cycle that culminated in her "willingly" leaving with him

it is just a hypothesis really

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?
was patty hearst this young?

and what i am proposing is maybe it was not a kidnapping, but systematic abuse cycle that culminated in her "willingly" leaving with him

it is just a hypothesis really
That's just another factor to consider. People keep trying to tell me that teenagers today are much more sophisticated than they were when I was growing up. So I don't know if that would make a difference.

 
MY only real point was depending on the circumstances she could have been "involved" with this and still be a vitcim

or she could not have been invovled and be in shock

or she could be involved and just be really a bad person

we don;t know, and I am not sure we ever will.

 
One of her best friends said, while she was still missing, that she was creeped out by the guy and tried to always have someone with her when she was with him. He had expressed his affection for her apparently and it had freaked her out. So, either she lied to her friend or she's innocent in all of this.
Well hopefully I am just being a suspicious cynic and she was in no way involved. That would be my preferred ending.
:goodposting: When the report came out today about the "letters" it certainly added to the feeling she wasn't entirely the victim as she describes..

But I'm hoping, like you, the ending isn't that she was involved.
This. I'd wondered about her involvement, and the letters have increased my suspicions. I would deeply hope she wasn't in on the killings. But if not, what happened? Did he drive her up the road and ask her to wait while he went back and burned down his house? Bizarre.

 
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again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?
was patty hearst this young?

and what i am proposing is maybe it was not a kidnapping, but systematic abuse cycle that culminated in her "willingly" leaving with him

it is just a hypothesis really
This sounds more like the plot of "Lolita" by Nabokov.

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?
was patty hearst this young?

and what i am proposing is maybe it was not a kidnapping, but systematic abuse cycle that culminated in her "willingly" leaving with him

it is just a hypothesis really
That's just another factor to consider. People keep trying to tell me that teenagers today are much more sophisticated than they were when I was growing up. So I don't know if that would make a difference.
maybe she's been abused and under his power since she was 11

who knows

 
again, lets say she knew

what if this guy had been abusing her and playing tricks with her mind since she was 12. Would she be a victim then?

I am not saying this IS the case, only that it could be.

Maybe she is not involved, maybe she is knowingly involved and just plain evil, and maybe she's seriously messed up. I am not sure we will ever know, I am sure on the off chance she was ever charged any attorney worth anything could defend her easily.
That's the Patty Heart debate. The balance between duress and the heinousness of the crime committed. What's the breaking point?
was patty hearst this young?

and what i am proposing is maybe it was not a kidnapping, but systematic abuse cycle that culminated in her "willingly" leaving with him

it is just a hypothesis really
That's just another factor to consider. People keep trying to tell me that teenagers today are much more sophisticated than they were when I was growing up. So I don't know if that would make a difference.
maybe she's been abused and under his power since she was 11

who knows
Again, those are just factors to consider. The overall question is the same.

I just looked it up. Hearst was 19.

 

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