Why is everyone so certain that MJD will increase his production this (1 Viewer)

[pantherclub]

I see Stewart as a positive rather than negative: 2 reasons1

1. It allows for Williams to stay fresh

2. It allows the Panthers to keep running the ball and hammering the defense. This wears them down and allows for Williams to run wild in the 4rth where it seemed to me last year he scored a ton.

 

[Chaka]

I honestly dont know the answer to this question but did MJD ever start the past couple of years over Fred Taylor? If not, why not?

Because, up until last season, Fred Taylor had been an all world back in his prime.Made no sense for the team to demote Fred in that situation.

Why not? If MJD is so good (and I am not disputing that he isnt) why didnt they reverse the situations. I wouldnt call Freds stats "all world". Seems like MJD has out produced him the past 3 years. I am just saying I think the situation or method that they used for MJD helped him tremendously. Freds stats:

231 1146 5td 2006 5.0 YPC

223 1202 5td 2007 5.4 YPC

You forgot two very relevant numbers (YPC in bold) and NINE. In 2006 why on earth would Del Rio bench his nine year veteran RB who is still performing at a very high level for an unproven rookie?

In 2007 why on earth would Del Rio bench his ten year veteran RB coming off a 5.0 YPC season for a second year player who apparently had carved out a very nice niche in the passing, short yardage games & return games?

In 2008 Fred Taylor finally fell off, he had a career low 143 carries (excluding his injured seasons), MJDs role increased (career highs in carries and receptions).

Seems like a perfectly logical progression.

I think to a degree that is the point I am trying to make. That he found a niche and produces within those confines. Not saying he cant handle a full load but that he just hasnt done it .......yet. I would draft him at 5 (if he fell) but it would be after a intense internal debate over Dwill. (Obviously since I am a panther fan and for the fact that he blow up last year and nothing changed)

And ADP has never scored more than 13 TDs in a season (MJD has twice), it doesn't mean he cant but people are still drafting him as if he were a mortal lock for 20+ TDs.The way I see it this season, the top 5 picks are just as much of a crapshoot as the rest of the draft.

Don't listen to the experts, take who you like.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think Bayhawks covered MJD pretty well so I feel no need to elaborate on that further.This is pretty interesting however GroveDiesel and I think also speaks to the OP questioning where MJD should be ranked.

I find this year extremely interesting. I think there's more uncertainty at the top of theRBs and QBs than ever before. Guys like Portis, LT, Gore, Turner, Parker, MJD, Westbrook, S-Jax, and D-Will all could have huge years but a have some fairly major concerns as well IMO. There's a pretty good mix of older guys that may be fading (or could come back from some injuries and have big seasons) and younger guys that have a great season under their belt but either haven't been THE guy or may have load concerns.

What makes you uncertain about Portis?I am aware of why some doubt the others that you mention here although I disagree with most of those concerns. But I have still not heard any good reason to doubt Portis yet. From anybody.

IMO, there seems to be tons of group think going on in fantasy football this year. I see a lot of very similar rankings despite what I think should be a very turbulant year at the the top of sheets. IMO, the best draft spots are either #1 overall, or near the turn. 2-8 or so is a total tossup with plenty of reasons to question every one of those guys.

Then you mention groupthink. And that is the only explaination I can find for why people are so low on Portis. Unless you or someone else can clue me in here?

Even better, I think this may be the ideal season to go WR/WR in the first two rounds.

Actualy this year in redrafts that I have been in (some non PPR) going WR/WR seems like a pretty popular thing to do. The pendulum has shifted strongly in this direction in reaction to 2007 (record setting passing numbers) and 2008 more RBBC situations than recent years. But I think that is an over-reaction linked to your 1st statement. And most of the doubts about those RB seem unwarranted to me. What other than groupthink is causing that to happen?I do think that this season we are going through a changing of the guard somewhat. This seems to be a popular theme in football publications around right now also. And that may be true. But I think people are writing off some of these proven veteran players too quickly also. An interesting landscape in FF this year.

I'm not necessarily low on Portis, but I think there has to be a durability concern there. He's been dinged up pretty good the past few years.

 

[tytyty]

MJD is being talked about as potentially the #1RB in fantasy football this year. He's subsequently getting drafted higher and higher in drafts, particularly PPR leagues where he's often being taken #1 overall. It's not unusual to read articles by industry experts who are predicting 2000 total yards from him this year. Part of their reasoning is obviously that Fred Taylor is not in Jacksonville anymore and as such MJD's touches should subsequently rise significantly. They then extrapolate what MJD could do if he receives say 50% of Taylor's touches on top of what he would normally get.

The question I want to raise is: Is MJD a lock to increase his touches per game as much as people are expecting? Could the touches left behind by the departed Fred Taylor simply be taken by some sort of combination of Greg Jones and and Rashard Jennings? Thus leaving MJD with roughly the same number of touches as he got last season? We know MJD has never been the sole RB for his team, could the coaching staff want to ensure that they don't wear down their diminutive RB by avoiding giving him the type of workload so many people are expecting from him this year?

What sort of touches are you expecting from MJD this year?

MJD doesn't HAVE to take over all (or even half) of Taylor's touches to become a top 10 or top 5 RB.Taylor, over the last 3 years has averaged approximately 14 carries/game and approximately 1 reception/game.

During that same period, MJD has averaged approximately 11 carries/game and approximately 3 receptions/game.

This year, Taylor is gone. MJD is NOT going to assume all of Taylor's 14 carries each game. Greg Jones, Jennings, & other RBs will get some of them. But MJD will clearly be the lead RB this year. And, since he is the best receiving RB on the roster, he will likely pick up Taylor's receptions.

So let's assume MJD gets ONLY the 14 carries/game that Taylor has averaged the last 3 years; that equals 224 carries.

Let's also assume that he picks up 1 reception/game that Taylor averaged, giving him 4/game; that equals 64 catches.

His career ypc is 4.8. That includes some long runs, but also MANY short yardage situations which would lower the overall YPC. I don't believe there is reasonable cause to expect that to drop, but many people do, so let's lower it to 4.5 ypc. With 224 carries (X 4.5), that equals 1013 rushing yards.

His career yards per reception is 9.5. Again, I see no reason for this to drop, but let's leave it at last years (career low) mark of 9.1. At 64 receptions, that equals 582 receiving yards.

That's almost 1600 total yards. But we also have to account for (perhaps) his most important FF stat, TDs.

MJD averages 1 TD, every 16 carries. With 224 carries, that would equal 14 TDs. He also averages 1 TD for every 37 receptions. With 64 receptions that would equal 1.7 TDs. Round it up to 2.

We have 1595 total yards and 16 TDs. That averages out to almost 100 yards & 1 TD/game. A total of 256 FF points (according to FBG scoring, non PPR).

THESE PROJECTIONS AREN'T BASED ON MASSIVE INCREASES IN RUSHES, CARRIES, OR TDS! I predicted MJD with a total of 4 more touches/game (3 rushes + 1 reception). I used a lower YPC and YPR than he has averaged, and I used his career TD ratio. [b]These projections should be considered his floor, and they project to more FF points than Adrian Peterson has ever scored in a single season. That total would also have made MJD the #3 RB the last two years.

So let me ask you, why shouldn't MJD be picked with a top 5 pick?

 

[two_dollars]

If you are in a PPR draft with the #1 overall pick, and you pass on MJD and instead select AP, you are starting out at a disadvantage. Non-PPR archaic leagues should take AP first though.

"but he's never carried a full load" "but he's a niche back who did well there"

right.. no one ever starts out sharing and goes on to take over.. running backs stay in their roles forever and never change.

He's done the best with what he's been given and has put up numbers comperable to AP with a lot less work, and he is being paid as a full time back now.. he's going toget his.

The most laughable post in this thread has to be the guy who said MJD has a 0 percent chance to finish as the #1 back in PPR, and AP has a 25 percent or better chance. Take the blinders off buddy, AP will NEVER finish as the #1 back in a PPR league until he SIGNIFICANTLY increases his receptions, and that isn't happening until Chester leaves. AP won't break 14 TD til Chester leaves.. and this year, Chester is still there.

I do have the #1 in my PPR big money redraft with some really good owners, and ever since I found out last month, it's been MJD.. no question.

 

[Instinctive]

If you are in a PPR draft with the #1 overall pick, and you pass on MJD and instead select AP, you are starting out at a disadvantage. Non-PPR archaic leagues should take AP first though."but he's never carried a full load" "but he's a niche back who did well there"right.. no one ever starts out sharing and goes on to take over.. running backs stay in their roles forever and never change. He's done the best with what he's been given and has put up numbers comperable to AP with a lot less work, and he is being paid as a full time back now.. he's going toget his.The most laughable post in this thread has to be the guy who said MJD has a 0 percent chance to finish as the #1 back in PPR, and AP has a 25 percent or better chance. Take the blinders off buddy, AP will NEVER finish as the #1 back in a PPR league until he SIGNIFICANTLY increases his receptions, and that isn't happening until Chester leaves. AP won't break 14 TD til Chester leaves.. and this year, Chester is still there.I do have the #1 in my PPR big money redraft with some really good owners, and ever since I found out last month, it's been MJD.. no question.

1. Look in the "Pick #1" thread, where there is an article link tp Peterson being a greatly increased receiver and him working on that excessively in the offseason.2. I think a lot of people see what happened to Marion Barber last season and think that it could also happen to MJD, or that the Jacksonville coaches think they should keep him fresh. 3. I am going to bet that his touches stay the same, except he loses all the special teams work and gains some of Freddy's carries.4. Rashad Jennings is an absolute beast. He also was playing at a high level D1 school before hsi father got cancer and he transferred to be with him.5. Not really a point, but I would take SJax before him. People mention injuries, but his injuries haven't been nagging, its only 2 seasons, and all RBs are an injury risk to some extent. SJax and Peterson are the only guys I see that are capable of a monster season (like Faulkian/Tomlinsonian/Alexanderian/Johnsonian) of huge yardage, catches, and TDs.6. I might also take Forte before him because I like the additions to OLine and QB more than I like them in JAX. Admittedly, it would be more of a coin flip, they are more tied for 3rd than anything in my book.And just to add, anybody who puts Turner in the conversation is only looking at the cover and not reading the book. If you watched him play, you know he did really amazing against bottom 7 rush defenses and did absolutely putrid against top 16 rush defenses. I would never want that on my team, especially when ATL will probably throw more.

 

[Instinctive]

Also to add, if you play in a league with .5 PPR and 15 rec yards per point, MJD should be more like the #5 guy. I say this due to projections (higher than the guy who posted earlier) and thats where he comes out.

Point being, it really does depend on your league settings. A lot.

 

[two_dollars]

If you are in a PPR draft with the #1 overall pick, and you pass on MJD and instead select AP, you are starting out at a disadvantage. Non-PPR archaic leagues should take AP first though."but he's never carried a full load" "but he's a niche back who did well there"right.. no one ever starts out sharing and goes on to take over.. running backs stay in their roles forever and never change. He's done the best with what he's been given and has put up numbers comperable to AP with a lot less work, and he is being paid as a full time back now.. he's going toget his.The most laughable post in this thread has to be the guy who said MJD has a 0 percent chance to finish as the #1 back in PPR, and AP has a 25 percent or better chance. Take the blinders off buddy, AP will NEVER finish as the #1 back in a PPR league until he SIGNIFICANTLY increases his receptions, and that isn't happening until Chester leaves. AP won't break 14 TD til Chester leaves.. and this year, Chester is still there.I do have the #1 in my PPR big money redraft with some really good owners, and ever since I found out last month, it's been MJD.. no question.

1. Look in the "Pick #1" thread, where there is an article link tp Peterson being a greatly increased receiver and him working on that excessively in the offseason.2. I think a lot of people see what happened to Marion Barber last season and think that it could also happen to MJD, or that the Jacksonville coaches think they should keep him fresh. 3. I am going to bet that his touches stay the same, except he loses all the special teams work and gains some of Freddy's carries.4. Rashad Jennings is an absolute beast. He also was playing at a high level D1 school before hsi father got cancer and he transferred to be with him.5. Not really a point, but I would take SJax before him. People mention injuries, but his injuries haven't been nagging, its only 2 seasons, and all RBs are an injury risk to some extent. SJax and Peterson are the only guys I see that are capable of a monster season (like Faulkian/Tomlinsonian/Alexanderian/Johnsonian) of huge yardage, catches, and TDs.6. I might also take Forte before him because I like the additions to OLine and QB more than I like them in JAX. Admittedly, it would be more of a coin flip, they are more tied for 3rd than anything in my book.And just to add, anybody who puts Turner in the conversation is only looking at the cover and not reading the book. If you watched him play, you know he did really amazing against bottom 7 rush defenses and did absolutely putrid against top 16 rush defenses. I would never want that on my team, especially when ATL will probably throw more.

1) so he goes up to 20/25 receptions? ok2) what happened to barber will not happen to mjd. There is no one of Felix Jones caliber in Jax3) they didn't pay him not to handle the load, he's the man in Jax.4) Where was jennings drafted? he's hardly worth drafting as a handcuff.5) you'd take Sjax over Faulk in his prime6) forte is close to mjd in ppr, BOTH are ahead of AP.

 

[Instinctive]

If you are in a PPR draft with the #1 overall pick, and you pass on MJD and instead select AP, you are starting out at a disadvantage. Non-PPR archaic leagues should take AP first though."but he's never carried a full load" "but he's a niche back who did well there"right.. no one ever starts out sharing and goes on to take over.. running backs stay in their roles forever and never change. :IBTL: He's done the best with what he's been given and has put up numbers comperable to AP with a lot less work, and he is being paid as a full time back now.. he's going toget his.The most laughable post in this thread has to be the guy who said MJD has a 0 percent chance to finish as the #1 back in PPR, and AP has a 25 percent or better chance. Take the blinders off buddy, AP will NEVER finish as the #1 back in a PPR league until he SIGNIFICANTLY increases his receptions, and that isn't happening until Chester leaves. AP won't break 14 TD til Chester leaves.. and this year, Chester is still there.I do have the #1 in my PPR big money redraft with some really good owners, and ever since I found out last month, it's been MJD.. no question.

1. Look in the "Pick #1" thread, where there is an article link tp Peterson being a greatly increased receiver and him working on that excessively in the offseason.2. I think a lot of people see what happened to Marion Barber last season and think that it could also happen to MJD, or that the Jacksonville coaches think they should keep him fresh. 3. I am going to bet that his touches stay the same, except he loses all the special teams work and gains some of Freddy's carries.4. Rashad Jennings is an absolute beast. He also was playing at a high level D1 school before hsi father got cancer and he transferred to be with him.5. Not really a point, but I would take SJax before him. People mention injuries, but his injuries haven't been nagging, its only 2 seasons, and all RBs are an injury risk to some extent. SJax and Peterson are the only guys I see that are capable of a monster season (like Faulkian/Tomlinsonian/Alexanderian/Johnsonian) of huge yardage, catches, and TDs.6. I might also take Forte before him because I like the additions to OLine and QB more than I like them in JAX. Admittedly, it would be more of a coin flip, they are more tied for 3rd than anything in my book.And just to add, anybody who puts Turner in the conversation is only looking at the cover and not reading the book. If you watched him play, you know he did really amazing against bottom 7 rush defenses and did absolutely putrid against top 16 rush defenses. I would never want that on my team, especially when ATL will probably throw more.

1) so he goes up to 20/25 receptions? ok2) what happened to barber will not happen to mjd. There is no one of Felix Jones caliber in Jax3) they didn't pay him not to handle the load, he's the man in Jax.4) Where was jennings drafted? he's hardly worth drafting as a handcuff.5) you'd take Sjax over Faulk in his prime6) forte is close to mjd in ppr, BOTH are ahead of AP.

1. ADP already has an average of 20. Peopel act like he's Michael Turner catching there. I would say he could go up to 35-40 if the reports aren't exaggerated and he is a better pass blocker.2. Dude...Felix had 30 carries all season. I really doubt that impacted Barber heavily. Try and do a little research on your points before you make them.3. Handle the load and handle a massive load are two different things. 4. Where was Ryan Grant drafted? Don't pull the draft position junk when you know its more of a "if he's the first round they try to prove he was worth it" and after that it matters less and less.5. SJax has consistently been as good as MJD in his down years. And he has had 2 (maybe only 1 I'm not sure) years definitely better than MJD. How many people in the league are basically guaranteed a top 10 finish with the potential to have a meteoric season? I see AD, DWill if Stew goes down, and Jackson.6. It definitely would not surprise me if that is hwo it turned out, but Peterson is a safer bet to finish purely top 10. Based on the MJD questions I added above and the fact that Forte could be a one-year wonder a la the ATrain. Now, that's not what i think, but it is a valid point.ETA: I'm not sure I would take SJax over Faulk. Especially if Faulk were the only weapon like today, then Faulk would be a definite win. SJax has more opportunity, but Faulk, I think, is more talented. They're built differently too, different roles sort of.

 

[two_dollars]

If you are in a PPR draft with the #1 overall pick, and you pass on MJD and instead select AP, you are starting out at a disadvantage. Non-PPR archaic leagues should take AP first though."but he's never carried a full load" "but he's a niche back who did well there"right.. no one ever starts out sharing and goes on to take over.. running backs stay in their roles forever and never change. He's done the best with what he's been given and has put up numbers comperable to AP with a lot less work, and he is being paid as a full time back now.. he's going toget his.The most laughable post in this thread has to be the guy who said MJD has a 0 percent chance to finish as the #1 back in PPR, and AP has a 25 percent or better chance. Take the blinders off buddy, AP will NEVER finish as the #1 back in a PPR league until he SIGNIFICANTLY increases his receptions, and that isn't happening until Chester leaves. AP won't break 14 TD til Chester leaves.. and this year, Chester is still there.I do have the #1 in my PPR big money redraft with some really good owners, and ever since I found out last month, it's been MJD.. no question.

1. Look in the "Pick #1" thread, where there is an article link tp Peterson being a greatly increased receiver and him working on that excessively in the offseason.2. I think a lot of people see what happened to Marion Barber last season and think that it could also happen to MJD, or that the Jacksonville coaches think they should keep him fresh. 3. I am going to bet that his touches stay the same, except he loses all the special teams work and gains some of Freddy's carries.4. Rashad Jennings is an absolute beast. He also was playing at a high level D1 school before hsi father got cancer and he transferred to be with him.5. Not really a point, but I would take SJax before him. People mention injuries, but his injuries haven't been nagging, its only 2 seasons, and all RBs are an injury risk to some extent. SJax and Peterson are the only guys I see that are capable of a monster season (like Faulkian/Tomlinsonian/Alexanderian/Johnsonian) of huge yardage, catches, and TDs.6. I might also take Forte before him because I like the additions to OLine and QB more than I like them in JAX. Admittedly, it would be more of a coin flip, they are more tied for 3rd than anything in my book.And just to add, anybody who puts Turner in the conversation is only looking at the cover and not reading the book. If you watched him play, you know he did really amazing against bottom 7 rush defenses and did absolutely putrid against top 16 rush defenses. I would never want that on my team, especially when ATL will probably throw more.

1) so he goes up to 20/25 receptions? ok2) what happened to barber will not happen to mjd. There is no one of Felix Jones caliber in Jax3) they didn't pay him not to handle the load, he's the man in Jax.4) Where was jennings drafted? he's hardly worth drafting as a handcuff.5) you'd take Sjax over Faulk in his prime6) forte is close to mjd in ppr, BOTH are ahead of AP.

1. ADP already has an average of 20. Peopel act like he's Michael Turner catching there. I would say he could go up to 35-40 if the reports aren't exaggerated and he is a better pass blocker.2. Dude...Felix had 30 carries all season. I really doubt that impacted Barber heavily. Try and do a little research on your points before you make them.3. Handle the load and handle a massive load are two different things. 4. Where was Ryan Grant drafted? Don't pull the draft position junk when you know its more of a "if he's the first round they try to prove he was worth it" and after that it matters less and less.5. SJax has consistently been as good as MJD in his down years. And he has had 2 (maybe only 1 I'm not sure) years definitely better than MJD. How many people in the league are basically guaranteed a top 10 finish with the potential to have a meteoric season? I see AD, DWill if Stew goes down, and Jackson.6. It definitely would not surprise me if that is hwo it turned out, but Peterson is a safer bet to finish purely top 10. Based on the MJD questions I added above and the fact that Forte could be a one-year wonder a la the ATrain. Now, that's not what i think, but it is a valid point.ETA: I'm not sure I would take SJax over Faulk. Especially if Faulk were the only weapon like today, then Faulk would be a definite win. SJax has more opportunity, but Faulk, I think, is more talented. They're built differently too, different roles sort of.

1) I'll believe it when I see it.. no way is Peterson catching 40 balls this year.2) ok, so you are saying MJD is going to get hurt? like Barber? who was a top 5 rb before getting hurt?3) since when is 300-350 touches a massive load? You know what's a massive load? Sjax in 2006..4) Nowhere besides speculation on this board has anyone implied Jennings is going to do any more than Leonard Little did when Sjax was healthy5) MJD has only been in the league 2 years, he is a lock for top 5.. he did it last year in a time share with Fred.. and a busted OL.6) AP will probably finish in the lower half of the top 10 in PPR. I'll give you that.

 

[Instinctive]

We'll see. Half of what I am saying is just the reasons people seem to give most often, which are valid, but this is what I think:

Peterson (for safety factor)

SJax

Forte/MJD

But MJD not finishing that high would be the least surprising thing. This is something that will get bumped like the DWill thread from last year.

 

[two_dollars]

We'll see. Half of what I am saying is just the reasons people seem to give most often, which are valid, but this is what I thinketerson (for safety factor)SJaxForte/MJDBut MJD not finishing that high would be the least surprising thing. This is something that will get bumped like the DWill thread from last year.

No.. Sjax finishing out of the top 10 would be the least suprising

 

[Biabreakable]

So if someone likes to play non PPR leagues they are a dinosaur.

Thanks two dollars for clearing that up.

Funny I always thought that the best players should be able to be somehow perform like the best players or at least close to it in FF without gimmicks.

I will go back to my tar pit now.

 

[mdog1967]

Top 5 for me. Definitely not top 1.

I think another issue to consider is reliable production week in week out. I do not expect MJD to be the top fantasy producer at RB for the year, I do expect that he will provide consistent RB1 production week in week out.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think Bayhawks covered MJD pretty well so I feel no need to elaborate on that further.This is pretty interesting however GroveDiesel and I think also speaks to the OP questioning where MJD should be ranked.

I find this year extremely interesting. I think there's more uncertainty at the top of theRBs and QBs than ever before. Guys like Portis, LT, Gore, Turner, Parker, MJD, Westbrook, S-Jax, and D-Will all could have huge years but a have some fairly major concerns as well IMO. There's a pretty good mix of older guys that may be fading (or could come back from some injuries and have big seasons) and younger guys that have a great season under their belt but either haven't been THE guy or may have load concerns.

What makes you uncertain about Portis?I am aware of why some doubt the others that you mention here although I disagree with most of those concerns. But I have still not heard any good reason to doubt Portis yet. From anybody.

IMO, there seems to be tons of group think going on in fantasy football this year. I see a lot of very similar rankings despite what I think should be a very turbulant year at the the top of sheets. IMO, the best draft spots are either #1 overall, or near the turn. 2-8 or so is a total tossup with plenty of reasons to question every one of those guys.

Then you mention groupthink. And that is the only explaination I can find for why people are so low on Portis. Unless you or someone else can clue me in here?

Even better, I think this may be the ideal season to go WR/WR in the first two rounds.

Actualy this year in redrafts that I have been in (some non PPR) going WR/WR seems like a pretty popular thing to do. The pendulum has shifted strongly in this direction in reaction to 2007 (record setting passing numbers) and 2008 more RBBC situations than recent years. But I think that is an over-reaction linked to your 1st statement. And most of the doubts about those RB seem unwarranted to me. What other than groupthink is causing that to happen?I do think that this season we are going through a changing of the guard somewhat. This seems to be a popular theme in football publications around right now also. And that may be true. But I think people are writing off some of these proven veteran players too quickly also. An interesting landscape in FF this year.

I'm not necessarily low on Portis, but I think there has to be a durability concern there. He's been dinged up pretty good the past few years.

You mean in 2006 when he made a block and injured himself? Portis has one of the best track records for touches/season of anybody. To be concerned about his durability seems like the opposite of what the facts should tell you about him. Who else has the same workload and been as healthy as Portis that is playing right now?

 

[Instinctive]

We'll see. Half of what I am saying is just the reasons people seem to give most often, which are valid, but this is what I thinketerson (for safety factor)SJaxForte/MJDBut MJD not finishing that high would be the least surprising thing. This is something that will get bumped like the DWill thread from last year.

No.. Sjax finishing out of the top 10 would be the least suprising

Yeah. We all know what you think. Like I said...bump fodder for later. We shall see.

 

[two_dollars]

So if someone likes to play non PPR leagues they are a dinosaur.Thanks two dollars for clearing that up. Funny I always thought that the best players should be able to be somehow perform like the best players or at least close to it in FF without gimmicks.I will go back to my tar pit now.

I didn't say that.. I said it was old fashioned. Progress has moved this hobby to balance out the value of positions.. and PPR has been a big reason for that. Non-PPR is old school, PPR is one of the new schools.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

So if someone likes to play non PPR leagues they are a dinosaur.Thanks two dollars for clearing that up. Funny I always thought that the best players should be able to be somehow perform like the best players or at least close to it in FF without gimmicks.I will go back to my tar pit now.

 

[Chaka]

1. ADP already has an average of 20. Peopel act like he's Michael Turner catching there. I would say he could go up to 35-40 if the reports aren't exaggerated and he is a better pass blocker.2. Dude...Felix had 30 carries all season. I really doubt that impacted Barber heavily. Try and do a little research on your points before you make them.3. Handle the load and handle a massive load are two different things. 4. Where was Ryan Grant drafted? Don't pull the draft position junk when you know its more of a "if he's the first round they try to prove he was worth it" and after that it matters less and less.5. SJax has consistently been as good as MJD in his down years. And he has had 2 (maybe only 1 I'm not sure) years definitely better than MJD. How many people in the league are basically guaranteed a top 10 finish with the potential to have a meteoric season? I see AD, DWill if Stew goes down, and Jackson.6. It definitely would not surprise me if that is hwo it turned out, but Peterson is a safer bet to finish purely top 10. Based on the MJD questions I added above and the fact that Forte could be a one-year wonder a la the ATrain. Now, that's not what i think, but it is a valid point.ETA: I'm not sure I would take SJax over Faulk. Especially if Faulk were the only weapon like today, then Faulk would be a definite win. SJax has more opportunity, but Faulk, I think, is more talented. They're built differently too, different roles sort of.

1. ADP will improve. I doubt he ever catches as well as MJD (who could also improve).2. Marion Barber is a different type of back and he struggled there is no valid comparison to be made here.3. MJD had 279 touches last year (20 special teams). Even if he loses the ST work how many of Fred's touches do you think he is in line for? A jump to 300 would erase the ST loss plus some and 320-330 is not out of the realm of possibility. If we were talking 360-380 touches then I would agree with you. 4. He's a backup and has to prove something, there is no discussion until he does either way.5. SJax is a beast no doubt. On a per touch or per game played basis he is the #1 RB in football. But he has had a run of bad luck health wise (so did not so "Fragile" Fred Taylor). Purely a gut call on draft day here. People with real stones will take SJax...of course it would take huge stones to take MJD #1 overall too.6.MJD has finished top 10 every year of his career. Why would that change now. He is a proven TD guy, had demonstrated great hands, running ability and, most importantly, fantasy production with his opportunities. DWill had 295 touches last year (5'8" 210) are you suggesting MJD (5'8" 205) is less capable of having a season like DWill in 2008? Seems to me he has as much upside as anyone.

 

[two_dollars]

1. ADP already has an average of 20. Peopel act like he's Michael Turner catching there. I would say he could go up to 35-40 if the reports aren't exaggerated and he is a better pass blocker.

2. Dude...Felix had 30 carries all season. I really doubt that impacted Barber heavily. Try and do a little research on your points before you make them.

3. Handle the load and handle a massive load are two different things.

4. Where was Ryan Grant drafted? Don't pull the draft position junk when you know its more of a "if he's the first round they try to prove he was worth it" and after that it matters less and less.

5. SJax has consistently been as good as MJD in his down years. And he has had 2 (maybe only 1 I'm not sure) years definitely better than MJD. How many people in the league are basically guaranteed a top 10 finish with the potential to have a meteoric season? I see AD, DWill if Stew goes down, and Jackson.

6. It definitely would not surprise me if that is hwo it turned out, but Peterson is a safer bet to finish purely top 10. Based on the MJD questions I added above and the fact that Forte could be a one-year wonder a la the ATrain. Now, that's not what i think, but it is a valid point.

ETA: I'm not sure I would take SJax over Faulk. Especially if Faulk were the only weapon like today, then Faulk would be a definite win. SJax has more opportunity, but Faulk, I think, is more talented. They're built differently too, different roles sort of.

1. ADP will improve. I doubt he ever catches as well as MJD (who could also improve).2. Marion Barber is a different type of back and he struggled there is no valid comparison to be made here.

3. MJD had 279 touches last year (20 special teams). Even if he loses the ST work how many of Fred's touches do you think he is in line for? A jump to 300 would erase the ST loss plus some and 320-330 is not out of the realm of possibility. If we were talking 360-380 touches then I would agree with you.

4. He's a backup and has to prove something, there is no discussion until he does either way.

5. SJax is a beast no doubt. On a per touch or per game played basis he is the #1 RB in football. But he has had a run of bad luck health wise (so did not so "Fragile" Fred Taylor). Purely a gut call on draft day here. People with real stones will take SJax...of course it would take huge stones to take MJD #1 overall too.

6.MJD has finished top 10 every year of his career. Why would that change now. He is a proven TD guy, had demonstrated great hands, running ability and, most importantly, fantasy production with his opportunities. DWill had 295 touches last year (5'8" 210) are you suggesting MJD (5'8" 205) is less capable of having a season like DWill in 2008? Seems to me he has as much upside as anyone.