Why is it so hard for dynasty owners to win now? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

As a dynasty owner in 5 football dynasty leagues and 1 dynasty baseball league, I must ask this question. Why do so many dynasty owners fizzle out? Why do they give up after just a couple seasons? Maybe the answer lies in the fact they shouldn't have been playing dynasty leagues from the get go. Some owners are more adapt at playing in redraft leagues, and some are in it for the long haul in dynasty leagues. Don't waste the time of your league mates in dynasty leagues if you aren't in it for several years. Some people think they can enter dynasty leagues with the idea of only drafting to win this year and leaving. Now there are leagues that you join that turn out to not be a good fit (poor commish, personalities don't mesh, etc. etc.), and that's understandable. Some of us only have so many fantasy dollars to spend out of our budget.

Then you have dynasty owners who worry about the future too much instead of trying to win now. I guess they don't realize that 1 win now is worth finishing last for a few years to rebuild (financially speaking). It's easy to lust after the next rookie wonder boy, but don't forget about the vet who can win your league. However, dynasty players must plan for the future. It's called balance. Just my perspective, take it as it is.

Off Subject - To be honest, I've found that dynasty baseball, which includes the minor leagues, is a hell of a lot more of a challenge than dynasty football. Simply because there are hundreds more players that can make an impact. Everyone knows who the top football players are, but you can't say the same about baseball.

 

[Riffraff]

Shiny pennies don't keep their glimmer too long.

New owners like to drive the latest and greatest.

Last year's rookies are old news... almost ready to retire when compared to this year's crop.

To win championships, you need a veteran compliment. Rookies are usually bye week fillers, not the bread and butter of a dynasty team.

Too many owners like to play 3 years out. This means they are always 3 years from the championship. Rinse and repeat every year.

Easy money.

 

[JohnnyU]

Shiny pennies don't keep their glimmer too long.New owners like to drive the latest and greatest. Last year's rookies are old news... almost ready to retire when compared to this year's crop. To win championships, you need a veteran compliment. Rookies are usually bye week fillers, not the bread and butter of a dynasty team.Too many owners like to play 3 years out. This means they are always 3 years from the championship. Rinse and repeat every year.Easy money.

.....how about balance. Nice concept, right?

 

[trader jake]

Easy money.

Agreed. Every year I am able to trade for veteran players whose value is low and win games now. For every decent young player/pick that is traded away...you are able to add three or four solid starters.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.

Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

 

[Todem]

I am in several Dynasty legues and all my teams have balance. All of them. Always in the hunt and winning division championships (which we get half our fee back if you do) and won a title last season and looking to be in the hunt for 3 more.

Dynasty leagues rock. I think redrafts are in my past after this season. Much more fun to have a squad year to year to tweak and move players. It truly is a blast.

 

[nightshift]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

What is the point of this post? Why don't you let people play the way they want to? How are they supposed to learn the game? From talking heads on fantasy forums?Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.sheesh... relax. Some are taking this H-O-B-B-Y and themselves way too seriously.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

What is the point of this post? Why don't you let people play the way they want to? How are they supposed to learn the game? From talking heads on fantasy forums?Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.sheesh... relax. Some are taking this H-O-B-B-Y and themselves way too seriously.

If that's the way you want to play it, fine. I'm just telling it the way I see it. No blood no foul.Edited to say to nightshift (Don), don't f--k with me, because I'm the only one in our league that's on your side, lol.

 

[Lobo237]

Because everyone wants to build a team that is going to last and dominate from years so that means leaning heavily on unproven potential. When half those unproven players proceed to become busts they then find themselves scrambling to replace all those players who don't pan out.

 

[majstro]

I have been in a dynasty league for six years. I inherited a team that had the following roster:

QB - Steve Beuerlein, , Tim Couch, Chad Pennington, Vinnie Testaverde, Danny Kanell

RB - Adrian Murrell, Erict Rhett, Chris Fuamatu Maafala, Kimble Anders, Curtis Keaton, Napoleon Kauffman

WR - Amani Toomer, Cris Carter, Hines Ward, Travis Taylor, Dez White, Jimmy Smith

TE - Howard Cross, Kyle Brady, Aaron Shea

My current roster is in my signature, My philosophy was to have a five-year plan. I traded everyone that was not going to be in their prime in the fifth year. Most of the trades involved draft picks, but some were for players. Now that I am in year six, I am hopefully going to make a run at the title over the next three years. I am now trading draft picks to sure up current weaknesses.

Since there are 12 teams in my league, I do not expect to win every year. That is an unrealistic expectation. I think it is important to pick your spots and go for the win when you have the chance. Sure, a roster that has a balance of present and future talent is nice, but not if it causes you to be mediocre on an annual basis. Take advantage of opportunities and go for the win when you have the chance. Even if it means "risking the future" by trading picks. There is no guarantee that pick would would help you in the future anyhow.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am paid in full for my dynasty leagues until year 2008-09

That could be a way to ensure that owners do not sell out for the one year attempt to win and then bail if you could get everyone to pay for each season coming. It also would be a bonus for replacement owners not having to pay thier dues for the rebuilding years.

As far as the guys who get bored and trade away thier best players for flavor of the month rookies I am not sure what to do about them. They keep getting what they want with high draft picks. Personaly instead of trying to get thier best players from them I try to trade for thier future draft picks instead.

 

[ExtraPoint]

You cant ruin your future in order to win now.

You can ruin your future for a slightly better chance of winning now.

So are you asking why dont more owners ruin their future for that slight lift this season instead of trying to be consistently competative?

If everyone used the same strategy you did, how much less fun would fantasy football be? The beauty of fantasy football is that their are many different opinions on players and strategies, and they are all flawed.

 

[goonsquad]

Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.

There is huge harm in guys running a dynasty team into the ground and then bailing on the league. It harms the balance of the league and makes replacing the owner extremely difficult. I despise jokers that don't have the commitment to stick with a league to rebuild a team that they ####ed up. People put a lot of time, effort and money into these leagues and when a-holes jump ship after taking a bad risk and failing it has an adverse effect on the entire league. I'm all for people having different styles and trying different things to win. But if you're going to join a dynasty or keeper league, have the balls to stick around if your plan goes sour. Ditching a league leaving a steaming pile of #### behind you is a total punk move.

 

[massraider]

Because everyone wants to build a team that is going to last and dominate from years so that means leaning heavily on unproven potential. When half those unproven players proceed to become busts they then find themselves scrambling to replace all those players who don't pan out.

Yeah, I think this is it. I'm in 2 dynasty leagues, one of them Zealots, and I'm only in my third year in one, and second in the Zealots. So I'm pretty much a newbie, and I'm still figuring things out.When the startup drafts were held, it was easy to get caught up in young guys, or get cute. Everyone wants to be the owner that grabbed Boldin before his rookie year, there's nothing sexy about taking Rod Smith. And when your Vincent Jackson or Craphonso Thorpe doesn't turn into Boldin, you can wind up with a lot of dead weight on your roster. I agree with Johnny U, some people aren't cut out for dynasty. The leagues I do, are with stangers that I've never met. Because I couldn't find 11 other guys that I know would be active, long term owners. I gotta go to the internet to find those kind of football dweebs.

 

[nightshift]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

What is the point of this post? Why don't you let people play the way they want to? How are they supposed to learn the game? From talking heads on fantasy forums?Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.sheesh... relax. Some are taking this H-O-B-B-Y and themselves way too seriously.

If that's the way you want to play it, fine. I'm just telling it the way I see it. No blood no foul.Edited to say to nightshift (Don), don't f--k with me, because I'm the only one in our league that's on your side, lol.

***OFFICIAL NIGHTSHIFT REPLY***Thanks for the vote of confidence (I think), but do I really need someone "on my side" to play FF? Which also implies that a group is working against an owner, which can be interpreted as a form of collusion. If it exists, how silly is that? I realize "clicks" form all the time in life. But if you are really any good at this game, you never exclude any team from trades, etc., no matter what you think of the coach. By doing so, you limit your possibilities and doom the league to boredom in the process.Which ever way you want to play,Chuck, is fine with me. Same for someone that bails becuase things did not go the way they thought it would, life changes, or league simply sucks for them (personality conflicts). Can't hold a grudge or ill will (waste of time & energy) over that. Especially if I don't really understand why they did it.Thanks for time we played & better luck next time.

 

[Slinger]

I have been in a dynasty league for six years. I inherited a team that had the following roster:QB - Steve Beuerlein, , Tim Couch, Chad Pennington, Vinnie Testaverde, Danny KanellRB - Adrian Murrell, Erict Rhett, Chris Fuamatu Maafala, Kimble Anders, Curtis Keaton, Napoleon KauffmanWR - Amani Toomer, Cris Carter, Hines Ward, Travis Taylor, Dez White, Jimmy SmithTE - Howard Cross, Kyle Brady, Aaron SheaMy current roster is in my signature, My philosophy was to have a five-year plan.

I won't question your methods as you obviously made great improvements, but how do you best have a 5-year plan?

 

[JohnnyU]

Thanks for the vote of confidence (I think), but do I really need someone "on my side" to play FF? Which also implies that a group is working against an owner, which can be interpreted as a form of collusion. If it exists, how silly is that? I realize "clicks" form all the time in life. But if you are really any good at this game, you never exclude any team from trades, etc., no matter what you think of the coach. By doing so, you limit your possibilities and doom the league to boredom in the process.Which ever way you want to play,Chuck, is fine with me. Same for someone that bails becuase things did not go the way they thought it would, life changes, or league simply sucks for them (personality conflicts). Can't hold a grudge or ill will (waste of time & energy) over that. Especially if I don't really understand why they did it.Thanks for time we played & better luck next time.

Not every league is ideal for all, and I understand bailing on a league that isn't the right fit (poor commish, personalitiy conflicts, etc. etc.). After all, most of us only have so much $$ to spend on fantasy sports, and we want our $$$ to go toward leagues we enjoy. That aside, it's those who join dynasty leagues for the purpose of one win and out that annoys a lot of FF owners. Those owners should only be playing redraft leagues.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Different strategies for different owners, that's what's fun about dynasty leagues. Not only are you seeing who can predict players the best, but also who's strategy works best.

Again though, different strokes for different folks. I one dynasty league I'm in you can get older guys for pennies on the dollar as they seem to have very little value. But then I just started up another dynasty league and was carefuly picking the owners and went into the season 1 offseason with very little behind Randy Moss at WR expecting to be able to pick up some of those older WRs on the cheap in RFA (bidding on players w/ expired contracts) and sure enough those older guys like Kennison, Glenn, Rod Smith, etc went for a whole lot more than I was expecting...around the same amount as some of the younger guys like Lee Evans whereas in many dynasty leagues guys would be salivating over Evans' youth.

 

[Biabreakable]

For those owners who do have the WIN NOW and let the future take care of itself...

I have no issue with this strat. But don't join a dynasty league if your only in it for one year. I have seen the attitude of players like this. They think its so funny how people overvalue youth in year one but they are the same players turning tail and running when thier squad has no draft picks and a roster full of players that might have been good last year but who no one will give a good offer for in trade because of thier age and situation in year 2 and moving forward.

There is a reason you were able to get those players at less than REDRAFT value. Because people are thinking about more than just this year. So in the short term your laughing and patting yourself on the back for what idiots your compitition is for undervaluing these players. But when it comes time to move forward your not liking the situation as much are you?

What is the point of starting a new dynasty league EVERY YEAR? I say it is because these owners can only take advantage one year at a time and really have no commitment to these leagues long term.

In this case I agree with Johny and commishioners need to do thier best in not allowing these people to soil thier leagues.

 

[JohnnyU]

For those owners who do have the WIN NOW and let the future take care of itself...I have no issue with this strat. But don't join a dynasty league if your only in it for one year. I have seen the attitude of players like this. They think its so funny how people overvalue youth in year one but they are the same players turning tail and running when thier squad has no draft picks and a roster full of players that might have been good last year but who no one will give a good offer for in trade because of thier age and situation in year 2 and moving forward.There is a reason you were able to get those players at less than REDRAFT value. Because people are thinking about more than just this year. So in the short term your laughing and patting yourself on the back for what idiots your compitition is for undervaluing these players. But when it comes time to move forward your not liking the situation as much are you?What is the point of starting a new dynasty league EVERY YEAR? I say it is because these owners can only take advantage one year at a time and really have no commitment to these leagues long term.In this case I agree with Johny and commishioners need to do thier best in not allowing these people to soil thier leagues.

I absolutely loved this post

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i'm in 2 dynasty leagues. one idp & one start up this year, non idp.

i won the idp league year 1 & am hurting now(year 3), especially at rb. i got lucky & picked up lundy off waivers but i really have to hope calhoun pans out. i'll be going rb in next years draft for sure.

in this years start up there was way to much focus on the future & people took way too many fliers imho. i really like my team. it has a nice mix of old & young. some of the older players i am hoping to use as trade bait this season for that player that wants to make the playoffs.

i really like the dynasty concept of building my team over the years & this league is paid 1 year ahead to ensure participation.

 

[Secret Agent Money Moves]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

What is the point of this post? Why don't you let people play the way they want to? How are they supposed to learn the game? From talking heads on fantasy forums?Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.sheesh... relax. Some are taking this H-O-B-B-Y and themselves way too seriously.

If that's the way you want to play it, fine. I'm just telling it the way I see it. No blood no foul.Edited to say to nightshift (Don), don't f--k with me, because I'm the only one in our league that's on your side, lol.

go don go!he's our hero!now get together you two and get me a better offer for Robbinson!or i could auction him off at the 1st annual Old Man Slug Fest....Hobby?? Kiss my ars Don....... Hobby on this!....edited (bitter DD owner)...sorry gentlemen....too many.....hickup....sorry...carry on

 

[nightshift]

Maybe it's time for dynasty league players to take a look in the mirror and decide whether they are a dynasty player or a redraft player. For God's sake, you have to know the difference.Edited to say: Yes, you have to know what it takes to win now and not mortgage the future. Again, it's balance. Not everyone gets this idea. The problem with dynasty owners is too many either go too far one way or the other. They either load up on the future with no regards to now, or they enter a dynasty league with the idea of winning now (quick buck), and bailing. Both are bad, especially the latter. If you are the second part of this equation, do us a favor and only play redraft leagues. It's better for the hobby.

What is the point of this post? Why don't you let people play the way they want to? How are they supposed to learn the game? From talking heads on fantasy forums?Maybe they want to try out dynasty. After they get there, they find out it ain't for them. Or they have to screw up a few times to learn how to be effective. So what's the harm? Having to read posts like this? It's not like you can't find a replacement with millions of players out there.sheesh... relax. Some are taking this H-O-B-B-Y and themselves way too seriously.

If that's the way you want to play it, fine. I'm just telling it the way I see it. No blood no foul.Edited to say to nightshift (Don), don't f--k with me, because I'm the only one in our league that's on your side, lol.

go don go!he's our hero!now get together you two and get me a better offer for Robbinson!or i could auction him off at the 1st annual Old Man Slug Fest....Hobby?? Kiss my ars Don....... Hobby on this!....edited (bitter DD owner)...sorry gentlemen....too many.....hickup....sorry...carry on

C'mon Eric.. don't hold back, tell us what you really feel! :leagueoverflow: