Why is San Diego a better situation than Buffalo? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

So, now that the draft has taken place, it seems that Mathews "clearly" landed in a better spot and is leapfrogging Spiller in almost every draft. Yes, I know San Diego as a team is >> Buffalo, but it's not just about that. So is that necessarily the case?

2009

Buffalo -- 4.4 ypc as a team (8th in the NFL)

San Diego -- 3.3 ypc as a team (32nd in the NFL)

2008

Buffalo -- 4.2 ypc as a team (tied for 14th in the NFL)

San Diego -- 4.1 ypc as a team (tied for 18th in the NFL)

This is with Rivers/VJax/Gates as the mainstay on offense in San Diego and that is going to be unchanged. In Buffalo, they've had no one yet have still run effectively.

I keep hearing that Buffalo has no one on offense to respect the run. Yet, San Diego has had plenty and hasn't been able to run effectively (same goes for Indy, Arizona, recently). And, Buffalo has actually run just fine. This is also with Fred Jackson/Lynch vs. LT/Sproles. So it's not as if the talent wasn't there. I know LT is on his last legs, but the guy, even in 2008, struggled mightily behind that line.

Maybe it's the opportunity? Well, I know Buffalo is saying they will keep Lynch. But for how long? They couldn't wait to get that pick in during the draft to select Spiller. Make no mistake about it, he will be the main ball carrier sooner rather than later. Latest is next year, very good chance it happens this year. For Mathews, it may seem he has more opportunity, but he still has Sproles there and Spiller should only have FJax (who is 2 yrs older than Sproles and turning 30 soon) to contend with. He will also get a ton of balls thrown to him which is where he will excel.

In the end, I'm simply not seeing why San Diego's situation is so much better than Buffalo's. In fact, I would tend to think that the RB in Buffalo has a better chance to succeed based on recent results of the running game. At worst, they are pretty close to each other. So, I simply don't get why Mathews all of a sudden is leapfrogging Spiller as a result of their destinations. I think people are truly overestimating SD's run game and underestimating Buffalo's.

 

[Chase Stuart]

 

[Texasmouth]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

 

[Young 8]

what kind of question is this ???

SD = Sproles (3d down back)

BUF = Jackson, Lynch

 

[Garts]

Phillip Rivers

 

[Chargers86]

My guess would be that the Chargers should have the lead in many games and will turn to the run to control the clock, thus leading to Matthews racking up yards and eventually big plays. LT would trip over a blade of grass on almost every carry resulting in 1 or 2 yard gains which put us in way too many 3 and 5 situations. Now how much of that was a result of an aging RB or the O-line remains to be seen.

Also, two years ago when LT used to catch the ball on a screen-pass it was a big play every time. This year, I dont think I even saw one big play from him. This leads me to believe it was far more him than the line.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

San Diego has a far better team. San Diego has a far better line. San Diego has a far better coach. San Diego has a far better QB. San Diego has far better weather.The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

ergo SD has a far better situation for a rookie to excel. Easier to plug into a good situation any day as a rookie.

 

[gianmarco]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

Are you sure San Diego has a far better line? If so, why have they struggled so terribly to run the football recently? LT may not be elite anymore, but dead last in the league in rushing? Buffalo was actually a top 10 rushing team. I beg to differ there.

The QBs also are the same as last year. That didn't seem to have much effect.

Overall, none of the above are significantly changed from last year and there is a HUGE disparity between the two heavily in favor of Buffalo. Even 2 yrs ago when it was closer, Buffalo was still better. I'm not even gonna argue that Buffalo is significantly better than San Diego. I am, however, gonna challenge the notion that SD >> Buffalo for these 2 RBs when recent evidence says differently. And it's not because Fred Jackson is that much more talented than LT/Sproles.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Better offense = more TD opportunities.

Mathews is likely to get more touches as well as the probably bell cow.

I think Spiller is the better overall talent, so I don't see a problem taking him before Mathews.

I agree that Buffalo is not a terrible landing spot and that San Diego is not as plum a spot as some make it out to be.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

what kind of question is this ???SD = Sproles (3d down back)BUF = Jackson, Lynch

 

[gianmarco]

what kind of question is this ???SD = Sproles (3d down back)BUF = Jackson, Lynch

These are dynasty leagues. How long do you think Jackson/Lynch remain in Buffalo?

 

[gianmarco]

Better offense = more TD opportunities.Mathews is likely to get more touches as well as the probably bell cow.I think Spiller is the better overall talent, so I don't see a problem taking him before Mathews. I agree that Buffalo is not a terrible landing spot and that San Diego is not as plum a spot as some make it out to be.

Agree with TD opportunities, no doubt. I'm not so sure that Mathews will get significantly more touches than Spiller. Spiller is going to get a TON of work in the passing game.

 

[EBF]

I don't think it's all about situation. I think some of it is based on talent and style. To me Spiller is a boom-or-bust pick who may have been overdrafted because of his special teams skills and big plays (almost like a RB version of Ted Ginn). He's a really unconventional RB and that makes him difficult to project.

Mathews is a much easier projection because he has a pretty conventional package of skills. He's a 220 pound back with good speed and mobility. Those guys tend to do well in the NFL. Beanie, Mendenhall, Peterson. He's in that mold.

Then there's the quality of the organizations. Buffalo is a really bad team that will have a very hard time finishing higher than last place in its division. The Bills are a rudderless ship that squanders talent and shuffles the deck chairs every couple years.

San Diego's drafting has cooled off in the last couple years and it seems like AJ Smith is too eager to overpay to get his guys these days. Even so, the Chargers have a great infrastructure in place with Pro Bowlers at QB/WR/TE and talent at every position. This team uses its players well. The offense is much better than Buffalo's, meaning more scoring opportunities and less defensive attention for Mathews.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I like Spiller's prospects in Buffalo.

But I think the reasons people like Mathews better with the Chargers are:

1. The Chargers should score a lot more points than the Bills. So even if Mathews and Spiller account for the same percentage of their teams' points, Mathews has the edge there.

2. Fred Jackson is more of a threat to get significant carries than Darren Sproles is. Sproles is viewed as a third-down back while Jackson can be an every-down back. Compounding that factor, Spiller himself may be viewed as more of a situational back than Mathews, who is an every-down back.

 

[Chase Stuart]

San Diego has a far better team. San Diego has a far better coach. San Diego has a far better QB. San Diego has far better weather.

To which I'd say, who cares? I don't get fantasy points for teams wins. The most important thing for a fantasy RB is the quality of his offensive line and the number of touches (and where they are) he gets. Bad teams, teams with bad QBs, teams with bad coaches and teams in cold climates have produced outstanding fantasy RBs.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Also, two years ago when LT used to catch the ball on a screen-pass it was a big play every time. This year, I dont think I even saw one big play from him. This leads me to believe it was far more him than the line.

One of the reasons LT wasn't featured as much in the passing game last year was that he was often asked to help out with the blocking -- because the OL was playing so poorly.

 

[ookook]

I bet ONE of the TWO (Lynch, Jackson) is still getting carries 3 years out.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I like Spiller's prospects in Buffalo.But I think the reasons people like Mathews better with the Chargers are:1. The Chargers should score a lot more points than the Bills. So even if Mathews and Spiller account for the same percentage of their teams' points, Mathews has the edge there.2. Fred Jackson is more of a threat to get significant carries than Darren Sproles is. Sproles is viewed as a third-down back while Jackson can be an every-down back. Compounding that factor, Spiller himself may be viewed as more of a situational back than Mathews, who is an every-down back.

#1 is a slight factor in Mathews' favor, but I think it's also obvious that Mathews should be expected to account for a lower percentage of his team's points, considering the quality of his teammates. #2 is a good point. But I think it's tough to say, at this point, how many touches any of these guys get. I think Sproles is better than Jackson, so I think he might get more touches than Jackson. But I agree that your interpretation is a pretty likely scenario, too.

 

[Devine Intervention]

besides the fact that Mathews is a clear number one there, SD is the most OVERRATED spot for a RB to land. There run game is terrible!!! I think because LT put up numbers for yeas there everyone just thinks SD is this great place for a RB and people are mistaken.

 

[Lascelle]

Then there's the quality of the organizations. Buffalo is a really bad team that will have a very hard time finishing higher than last place in its division. The Bills are a rudderless ship that squanders talent and shuffles the deck chairs every couple years.

San Diego's drafting has cooled off in the last couple years and it seems like AJ Smith is too eager to overpay to get his guys these days. Even so, the Chargers have a great infrastructure in place with Pro Bowlers at QB/WR/TE and talent at every position. This team uses its players well. The offense is much better than Buffalo's, meaning more scoring opportunities and less defensive attention for Mathews.

I'm not going to disagree with anything you've stated above but I will state the following:- Buffalo Bills: 0 Championships, Last Super Bowl Appearance = 1993-94

- San Diego Chargers: 0 Championships, Last Super Bowl Appearance = 1994-95

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

There run game is terrible!!!

That's why they drafted Mathews.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Another point to consider here:

Buffalo often played from behind. As a result, opposing defenses were giving up garbage yards on the ground because the Bills needed to throw effectively to get back into the game and couldn't do it. There were five games last year where the Bills lost handily (more than 13 points) so teams were backed off the line to play pass and the running game stats were inflated. Doesn't matter for fantasy purposes. If the Bills continue to stink, then you get fantasy garbage yards with Spiller (if you believe Spiller is worth the apparent value). One of the Bills best rushing games was Week 17 against the Colts who packed that game in. That 212 yards

SD was in every game last year and often teams had to stop the run to get another chance at the ball. I would be interested to see how many more short yardage situations (the situation dictated a goal to gain 1-3 yards) there were in SD vs. Buffalo. I would bet SD had significantly more 2nd and 3rd and shorts than Buffalo. So from a fantasy standpoint Buffalo might get you more points last year because defenses could care less about a five or six yard gain from Jackson on a 3rd and 12 vs. a three-yard gain from LT or Sproles on a 2nd and 2 or 3rd and 3.

 

[doowain]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

What does better weather have to do with the run game? I thought you run MORE in bad weather?!?!

I don't think it's all about situation. I think some of it is based on talent and style. To me Spiller is a boom-or-bust pick who may have been overdrafted because of his special teams skills and big plays (almost like a RB version of Ted Ginn). He's a really unconventional RB and that makes him difficult to project.

Mathews is a much easier projection because he has a pretty conventional package of skills. He's a 220 pound back with good speed and mobility. Those guys tend to do well in the NFL. Beanie, Mendenhall, Peterson.

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.One of those three RBs doesn't belong with the others.....can you pick which one it is?

IMO, Mathews doesn't jump Spiller in PPR leagues. If it's non-PPR, I take Mathews over Spiller.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

And I was saying this before the draft. SD might be a little better, but people here are overrating it.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I bet ONE of the TWO (Lynch, Jackson) is still getting carries 3 years out.

With Buffalo wanting to get rid of Lynch right now and Jackson being almost 33 years old in 3 years, I highly doubt it.

 

[BigTex]

And I was saying this before the draft. SD might be a little better, but people here are overrating it.

The Bills drafted him 9th overall which many on this board thought he wouldn't go in the top ten like the draft experts have been saying all along.Not sure when the last time a back got drafted that high, IIRC it was Ronnie Brown but anyway that tells me they have plans the put the ball in he's hands and that's all we want as owners. When LT went to SD that were a laughing stock of a team yet they were yound and all the pieces were coming together. Looks to me the same is now happening in Buffalo.:twocents:Tex

 

[renesauz]

Redraft....it's Mathews in a landslide. If you believe in Spiller though, I could see him remaining #1 on your board...Buffalo is a not a terrible spot to land.

I think Mathews is a far safer bet, but Spiller still has the higher upside. I have no top three picks in any league, so neither will be on my boards

 

[Jerry Lawler]

It wasn't too long ago that the Norv Turner RB was gold in fantasy football leagues. I know SD hasn't run the ball too well over the past 2 years, but that's not likely to continue with Turner as coach and a young, talented RB.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The SD offense provides many scoring opportunities and Norv loves to run the ball inside the 10. A 12 year old with a broken leg could score double digit TDs in that offense.

Last year LT scored 12 TDs there despite being able to do nothing more than run straight and fall over, and despite him missing a fair bit of time.

 

[EBF]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk. I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

 

[phthalatemagic]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

One of those hurts your argument, not helps.

 

[lyon812]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk. I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

 

[stp-d]

Buddy Nix, who ironically for this discussion has history with both of the teams discussed here, is excellent at picking talent. Gailey, as many know, is a Run 1st O.C. & head coach.

Besides his short stint in KC, Gailey's offenses consistently ranked in the top 9 in rush attempts, yards & rush td's (exception Lamar Smith yards). Unfortunately for Evans & Hardy his offenses consistently ranked in the bottom 3rd in pass attempts, yards & td's. His RB's weren't necessarily pass catching phenoms (Bettis, Emmitt, LJ & Lamar) as they rarely caught more than 30 rec. a year.

So what does this say about Spiller/Jackson/Lynch? I wish I knew for sure, but based on history I'm leaning towards Fred Jackson/Lynch having significant value as starting RB's. I saw Ryan Matthews as a better fit in the Gailey offense, but with Jackson/Lynch already in BUF, there was no need. I don't think Spiller will be more than a Reggie Bush in this offense. IMO Matthews is a better #1 selection than Spiller in both PPR & Non-PPR

 

[Ilov80s]

As simple as competition and scoring opportunities.

 

[BigTex]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk.

I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

He broke records in highschool and college as a running back, he excels at every level of the game. He can run away from linebackers, safties and corner backs. He has the WOW factor that everyone looks for in a football player. He's a theat to take it home everytime. Every year there is one person who gets over-analyzed on this board, this year that person is CJ Spiller.The Bills grabbed him with their 9th pick...................nuff said!!!!

getty up!

 

[gianmarco]

As simple as competition and scoring opportunities.

And oddly enough, competition and scoring opportunities aren't always enough. Quality of touches matter too.

 

[Ilov80s]

As simple as competition and scoring opportunities.

And oddly enough, competition and scoring opportunities aren't always enough. Quality of touches matter too.

How can a touch be any more quality, than a scoring opportunity? Last year S.D. was 5th among offensive TDs in the NFL, the Bills were 29th. The Chargers averaged 12 more per game. Thats almost 2 extra TDs every game. Those are quality touches. The Bills had 6 rushing TDs last year, the Chargers ran for 17.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk.

I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

He broke records in highschool and college as a running back, he excels at every level of the game. He can run away from linebackers, safties and corner backs. He has the WOW factor that everyone looks for in a football player. He's a theat to take it home everytime. Every year there is one person who gets over-analyzed on this board, this year that person is CJ Spiller.The Bills grabbed him with their 9th pick...................nuff said!!!!

getty up!

Should we turn this over to the Ryan Mathews thread again Big Tex???

Give it a rest....and to think that i'm not the only one saying Mathews is better now...hmmm

 

[EBF]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk.

I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

He broke records in highschool and college as a running back, he excels at every level of the game. He can run away from linebackers, safties and corner backs. He has the WOW factor that everyone looks for in a football player. He's a theat to take it home everytime. Every year there is one person who gets over-analyzed on this board, this year that person is CJ Spiller.The Bills grabbed him with their 9th pick...................nuff said!!!!

getty up!

I think he'll help their offense. I just don't know if he's going to be a franchise back or a great FF player. I don't see this as a controversial opinion since most of the scouting reports you'll find on him mention the fact that he's probably not an every down guy at the next level. He can be a good, useful NFL player without being a great option in FF leagues. I would say that description applies to Reggie Bush and Felix Jones (up to this point in their careers).

With Mathews, you know you're getting a workhorse type who will get 275-350 carries per season when healthy. To me that makes him a more appealing option from a FF standpoint.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Report: JaMarcus Russell to be cut, Don't let the door hit ya, fatty!

You're assuming he can fit through a door...

 

[drfeelgood]

Report: JaMarcus Russell to be cut, Don't let the door hit ya, fatty!

You're assuming he can fit through a door...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I haven't done my projections yet. (I haven't done SD at all, and I have to redo BUF since I did them before they drafted Spiller.)

That said, while I doubt I'll end up with Mathews as a top ten fantasy RB this season, I think it's worth noting that Tomlinson was a top ten fantasy RB last year (non-PPR) from week six on (after his early ankle injury). And I think it's hard to imagine Mathews being less effective than the 2009 version of Tomlinson.

 

[BigTex]

Or almost like a RB version of DeSean Jackson? His playmaking ability is more on that level than Ted Ginn. Come on.

And Reggie Bush was better than all of them in college. Look at him now.The thing that's scary about Spiller is that he doesn't excel in a lot of the areas that define the RB position. Inside running. Leg drive. Elusiveness in tight spaces. Matt Waldman had a great line in his rookie portfolio where he said that Spiller sometimes resembles an elite kick returner playing running back rather than an elite running back who also returns kicks. I think that's a great way to describe him. It's not that he doesn't have upside, but there's some serious risk.

I have Mathews and Bryant as the two safest picks from a talent standpoint. I had the 1.02 earlier today in a PPR league and I didn't even consider Spiller. While I don't see him being an outright bust, I think it's quite possible that he will be viewed as a disappointment and a reach in hindsight (again, sort of like Reggie Bush or maybe Felix Jones if he had been a top 10 pick).

He broke records in highschool and college as a running back, he excels at every level of the game. He can run away from linebackers, safties and corner backs. He has the WOW factor that everyone looks for in a football player. He's a theat to take it home everytime. Every year there is one person who gets over-analyzed on this board, this year that person is CJ Spiller.The Bills grabbed him with their 9th pick...................nuff said!!!!

getty up!

Should we turn this over to the Ryan Mathews thread again Big Tex???

Give it a rest....and to think that i'm not the only one saying Mathews is better now...hmmm

 

[Getinthemix]

I bet ONE of the TWO (Lynch, Jackson) is still getting carries 3 years out.

I would take that bet. Jackson would be 32 going into that season and Lynch would be in his 6th season, out of his rookie contract.

 

[Getinthemix]

And I was saying this before the draft. SD might be a little better, but people here are overrating it.

The Bills drafted him 9th overall which many on this board thought he wouldn't go in the top ten like the draft experts have been saying all along.

Not sure when the last time a back got drafted that high, IIRC it was Ronnie Brown but anyway that tells me they have plans the put the ball in he's hands and that's all we want as owners. When LT went to SD that were a laughing stock of a team yet they were yound and all the pieces were coming together. Looks to me the same is now happening in Buffalo.

:twocents:

Tex

Or Darren McFadden two whole years ago.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The Bills drafted him 9th overall which many on this board thought he wouldn't go in the top ten like the draft experts have been saying all along.Not sure when the last time a back got drafted that high, IIRC it was Ronnie Brown but anyway that tells me they have plans the put the ball in he's hands and that's all we want as owners.

What in the world are you talking about? McFadden went 4th overall two years ago. Peterson went 7th overall three years ago. Bush went 2nd overall four years ago. And the year with Ronnie you were talking about, there were three running backs in the top five.Heck, the only year since then that a running back DIDN'T go that high was last year, and even then the first running back went off the board just a couple spots later at #12 overall.

 

[zamboni]

Kind of reminds me of the whole LT/Michael Bennett comparisons when they both were rookies.

Many were on the Bennett bandwagon since, at the time, the situation was better in MN than in SD, and look what happened.

In the end, talent will likely win out and that guy will be the one to own.

Who that will be is anyone's guess.For redraft, I'd say Matthews looks like the better bet, but dynasty-wise remains to be seen.

 

[gianmarco]

Kind of reminds me of the whole LT/Michael Bennett comparisons when they both were rookies.Many were on the Bennett bandwagon since, at the time, the situation was better in MN than in SD, and look what happened.In the end, talent will likely win out and that guy will be the one to own. Who that will be is anyone's guess.For redraft, I'd say Matthews looks like the better bet, but dynasty-wise remains to be seen.

I actually saw drafts where Lynch went ahead of Peterson bc Peterson was "stuck behind" Chester and Lynch had the job.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

One of those hurts your argument, not helps.

Not only that, but how can you say Norv is far better than Chan?In my book Chan is a big, fat '?' right now... (And Norv is ok, not a great coach.)

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

San Diego has a far better team.

San Diego has a far better line.

San Diego has a far better coach.

San Diego has a far better QB.

San Diego has far better weather.

The numbers are probably a little skewed as well since LT was on the decline.

One of those hurts your argument, not helps.

Not only that, but how can you say Norv is far better than Chan?In my book Chan is a big, fat '?' right now... (And Norv is ok, not a great coach.)

That said, I still like the SD situation better, but I like Spiller better as a player. So, it's pretty close in my mind. If the RBs were reversed I think it would be Spiller in SD as the better choice by a landslide.