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Why Michael Bush wasn't activated last year (1 Viewer)

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Interesting read here on how Bush was deactivated at the end of his rookie season despite being healty, knowing the playbook and having a great attitude. Al Davis didn't want to run the chance of Jordan or Rhodes getting picked up by the "RB starved" Chiefs or Broncos, whom the Raiders had remaining games against. For Bush to be activated, one of them had to go. It's a strange twist considering the Raiders had little to play for but pride (and a draft pick). With Darren McFadden the sexy pick for the Raiders right now, Bush is staring down the barrel of another "lost" season. I found this to be a good read.

Bush healthy, but future uncertain

When Michael Bush first heard the buzz, he wasn’t thinking that this was just the typical business nature of the NFL. Or that it was just more potential competition. Instead, one very familiar word came to mind when Bush heard the Oakland Raiders were flirting with Arkansas running back Darren McFadden.

“I was just like ‘Why?’ ” Bush wondered.

Bush conveys the moment like a man who has been asking himself that question forever. And some days in Bush’s mind, it might seem that way. Since Sept. 2006, his career has seen little more than turbulence: A broken leg against Kentucky in the opener of his senior season; a second surgery a month before the NFL draft; plummeting into the fourth round of the 2007 draft; and then a long climb back with the Raiders that ended with an unexpected deactivation in November – without logging a single carry in his rookie season.

Now, in what can only be described as another layer of misery – after watching Justin Fargas blossom in Oakland’s backfield and even Dominic Rhodes rack up a pair of 100-yard rushing games to end last season – Bush will spend the one-year anniversary of his draft freefall looking over his shoulder, hoping the Raiders don’t pull the rug out from his feet again, and use the No. 4 overall pick on McFadden.

“The first time I heard that (might happen), I was like, ‘why would you do that?’ ” Bush said. “You’ve got Dominic Rhodes, who to me is still a good running back. Then you’ve got Fargas still here and LaMont (Jordan) still here. We’ve got a good group of backs.”

That Bush leaves himself off that list is no accident. He’s felt like the forgotten decimal point in Oakland’s backfield equation for some time. That was hard to imagine only 19 months ago, when Bush entered his senior season at Louisville near the top of his running back class and a favorite to win the Heisman Trophy. Those were expectations that made plenty of sense after he rolled to 2,380 yards and 36 touchdowns in his first three seasons with the Cardinals.

It’s already a faint memory, but at 6-foot-2 and 247 pounds, Bush was a combination of T.J. Duckett with better instincts and LenDale White with a more sculpted body. He was the embodiment of a top draft choice: big, fast, athletic and carrying a great attitude.

Now he’s the picture of what can go wrong when a leg injury or surgery occurs so close to the draft. Not to mention what can go wrong when you finally get to the next level, only to watch a team shelve you in a nonsensical numbers game.

That is what happened to Bush last season, in what could be labeled as another stroke of Oakland’s roster mismanagement. After starting the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list, Bush was practicing, healthy, and had a good working knowledge of the offense by November. But that diligence was rewarded with the Raiders sticking him back on PUP for the remainder of the season.

Why? Because Oakland would have had to cut one of its backs to make room for Bush, and it would have come with back-to-back games looming against the running back-needy Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos.

Never mind that Oakland was 2-8 at that point of the season. Or that Jordan and Rhodes were contributing almost nothing at the time. Even the fact that Bush was a young building block in need of playing time couldn’t sway the decision. Instead, the Raiders (ahem, Al Davis) chose to keep Jordan and Rhodes and stick Bush on the PUP list, in hopes of denying the Chiefs or Broncos a possible competitive edge. And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.

“There’s a lot to be said that if you’re looking to the future (that) you should have brought him up, you should have played him,” Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said earlier this month at the league’s annual owners meetings. “It wasn’t an easy decision. But it was a decision we made to go with the guys that we had.

“That affected Michael, I know, because Michael had worked so hard at that point to be able to practice with us and to be able to potentially play. Unfortunately we kind of took that away from him.”

Bush said the decision shocked him initially, particularly after he had spent countless post-practice work and film sessions trying to convince the coaching staff that he was healthy and ready to go. Bush said he fully expected to be activated, and that it wasn’t until well afterward that he was able to try to spin it in another direction. Not unlike his draft experience, when he went in hoping teams would gamble on him despite his injury – “Like Willis McGahee,” Bush said – but left trying to convince himself that he had landed in the right place.

Now he looks at his aborted first season, and hopes it means another year tacked on at the end of his career. “I look at it as I saved my body and I learned what to expect when you’re practicing hard,” Bush said. “I just try to get the most positive thing out of it.”

It’s a diplomatic viewpoint, to be sure. And Bush is doing his best to extend that line of thinking to the upcoming draft. While he’s hoping Oakland spends its No. 4 pick on something else – say, a defensive tackle – he’s determined to bite his tongue no matter the outcome.

“You like to say there’s nothing wrong with competing, but then you throw the dollar signs (from McFadden being a top pick) out there,” Bush said. “If I would have to wait or share reps or whatever, I’ve dealt with that in college.

“It’s a business. I talked to Justin Fargas and he said the same thing happened to him when he got into the league. They had Tyrone Wheatley and guys like that, and he had to take a back seat until this year. We’ve got a good group of guys in the backfield, so we don’t really understand why they would draft another running back. But Mr. Davis, he likes to win. And if he feels like McFadden can bring something to the table and we can win some games, then you can’t be mad at the guy.”

And Bush?

“I’ve become the unknown guy,” he said. “That’s ok. It just makes me work harder. A lot of guys are overlooking me and things I can bring to the table.”

After a long wait, he’ll be pulling up his chair soon enough.
 
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Interesting read here on how Bush was deactivated at the end of his rookie season despite being healty, knowing the playbook and having a great attitude. Al Davis didn't want to run the chance of Jordan or Rhodes getting picked up by the "RB starved" Chiefs or Broncos, whom the Raiders had remaining games against. For Bush to be activated, one of them had to go. It's a strange twist considering the Raiders had little to play for but pride (and a draft pick). With Darren McFadden the sexy pick for the Raiders right now, Bush is staring down the barrel of another "lost" season. I found this to be a good read.

Bush healthy, but future uncertain

When Michael Bush first heard the buzz, he wasn’t thinking that this was just the typical business nature of the NFL. Or that it was just more potential competition. Instead, one very familiar word came to mind when Bush heard the Oakland Raiders were flirting with Arkansas running back Darren McFadden.

“I was just like ‘Why?’ ” Bush wondered.

Bush conveys the moment like a man who has been asking himself that question forever. And some days in Bush’s mind, it might seem that way. Since Sept. 2006, his career has seen little more than turbulence: A broken leg against Kentucky in the opener of his senior season; a second surgery a month before the NFL draft; plummeting into the fourth round of the 2007 draft; and then a long climb back with the Raiders that ended with an unexpected deactivation in November – without logging a single carry in his rookie season.

Now, in what can only be described as another layer of misery – after watching Justin Fargas blossom in Oakland’s backfield and even Dominic Rhodes rack up a pair of 100-yard rushing games to end last season – Bush will spend the one-year anniversary of his draft freefall looking over his shoulder, hoping the Raiders don’t pull the rug out from his feet again, and use the No. 4 overall pick on McFadden.

“The first time I heard that (might happen), I was like, ‘why would you do that?’ ” Bush said. “You’ve got Dominic Rhodes, who to me is still a good running back. Then you’ve got Fargas still here and LaMont (Jordan) still here. We’ve got a good group of backs.”

That Bush leaves himself off that list is no accident. He’s felt like the forgotten decimal point in Oakland’s backfield equation for some time. That was hard to imagine only 19 months ago, when Bush entered his senior season at Louisville near the top of his running back class and a favorite to win the Heisman Trophy. Those were expectations that made plenty of sense after he rolled to 2,380 yards and 36 touchdowns in his first three seasons with the Cardinals.

It’s already a faint memory, but at 6-foot-2 and 247 pounds, Bush was a combination of T.J. Duckett with better instincts and LenDale White with a more sculpted body. He was the embodiment of a top draft choice: big, fast, athletic and carrying a great attitude.

Now he’s the picture of what can go wrong when a leg injury or surgery occurs so close to the draft. Not to mention what can go wrong when you finally get to the next level, only to watch a team shelve you in a nonsensical numbers game.

That is what happened to Bush last season, in what could be labeled as another stroke of Oakland’s roster mismanagement. After starting the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list, Bush was practicing, healthy, and had a good working knowledge of the offense by November. But that diligence was rewarded with the Raiders sticking him back on PUP for the remainder of the season.

Why? Because Oakland would have had to cut one of its backs to make room for Bush, and it would have come with back-to-back games looming against the running back-needy Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos.

Never mind that Oakland was 2-8 at that point of the season. Or that Jordan and Rhodes were contributing almost nothing at the time. Even the fact that Bush was a young building block in need of playing time couldn’t sway the decision. Instead, the Raiders (ahem, Al Davis) chose to keep Jordan and Rhodes and stick Bush on the PUP list, in hopes of denying the Chiefs or Broncos a possible competitive edge. And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.

“There’s a lot to be said that if you’re looking to the future (that) you should have brought him up, you should have played him,” Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said earlier this month at the league’s annual owners meetings. “It wasn’t an easy decision. But it was a decision we made to go with the guys that we had.

“That affected Michael, I know, because Michael had worked so hard at that point to be able to practice with us and to be able to potentially play. Unfortunately we kind of took that away from him.”

Bush said the decision shocked him initially, particularly after he had spent countless post-practice work and film sessions trying to convince the coaching staff that he was healthy and ready to go. Bush said he fully expected to be activated, and that it wasn’t until well afterward that he was able to try to spin it in another direction. Not unlike his draft experience, when he went in hoping teams would gamble on him despite his injury – “Like Willis McGahee,” Bush said – but left trying to convince himself that he had landed in the right place.

Now he looks at his aborted first season, and hopes it means another year tacked on at the end of his career. “I look at it as I saved my body and I learned what to expect when you’re practicing hard,” Bush said. “I just try to get the most positive thing out of it.”

It’s a diplomatic viewpoint, to be sure. And Bush is doing his best to extend that line of thinking to the upcoming draft. While he’s hoping Oakland spends its No. 4 pick on something else – say, a defensive tackle – he’s determined to bite his tongue no matter the outcome.

“You like to say there’s nothing wrong with competing, but then you throw the dollar signs (from McFadden being a top pick) out there,” Bush said. “If I would have to wait or share reps or whatever, I’ve dealt with that in college.

“It’s a business. I talked to Justin Fargas and he said the same thing happened to him when he got into the league. They had Tyrone Wheatley and guys like that, and he had to take a back seat until this year. We’ve got a good group of guys in the backfield, so we don’t really understand why they would draft another running back. But Mr. Davis, he likes to win. And if he feels like McFadden can bring something to the table and we can win some games, then you can’t be mad at the guy.”

And Bush?

“I’ve become the unknown guy,” he said. “That’s ok. It just makes me work harder. A lot of guys are overlooking me and things I can bring to the table.”

After a long wait, he’ll be pulling up his chair soon enough.
:shrug: This is very good news....Stay hungry young fellow......The NFL is all about competition, so if Bush is ready to put forth his best effort, then everything will shake itself out in the end.....

 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.

 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
That is my feeling as well. Bush was coming off a badly broken leg, why come back in garbage time. Collect your paycheck and get 100% healthy and stronger for the next season.
 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
Orrrrr the Raiders may have gotten a chance to see what Bush could do at the end of the season and then they'd have a better idea whether McFadden should be the choice.
 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
Orrrrr the Raiders may have gotten a chance to see what Bush could do at the end of the season and then they'd have a better idea whether McFadden should be the choice.
I'm more on this side then the previous quote. I'm not a Raiders basher, either. I've always liked the Silver and Black, and Al Davis for that matter. He's gotten a little grizzly and perhaps a bit senile over the years, but I've always believed in the things he stood for and liked his "just win baby" mantra. Back onto the subject, I see the point aobut getting him fully healthy, take his paycheck and come back next year.. the thing is, though, he was practicing and ready to go. It's not like he was rushed back or anything. He was chomping at the bit and had plenty of time to heal. I guess it doesn't matter much either way, to be honest. The reason he wasn't activated probably had nothing to do with that and everything to do with Al's not wanting to give a player to one of his hated divisional rivals who badly needed a RB with a pulse. :cry:
 
I like this kid and I hope he gets a chance to carry the load for some team in the near future. I think he could surprise a lot of people with his skills.

 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
Orrrrr the Raiders may have gotten a chance to see what Bush could do at the end of the season and then they'd have a better idea whether McFadden should be the choice.
Maybe. Or maybe he plays and gets hurt, who knows. McFadden was not even a certainty to be in the draft at the time. I am fine with them giving him the whole year to recover. You have to do what is best at the time and I think shutting him down for the whole year was a viable option.
 
Maybe. Or maybe he plays and gets hurt, who knows.
Then the Raiders would've been right to go after a RB.
McFadden was not even a certainty to be in the draft at the time.
Only true homer-blinded Razorbacks fans ever thought that. The rest of us were in reality.
I am fine with them giving him the whole year to recover. You have to do what is best at the time and I think shutting him down for the whole year was a viable option.
Not if the rationale was the above reasons. That's just stupid.
 
So a young up-and-comer who might be the RB of the future was kept on the PuP in order to prevent the Chiefs or Broncos from acquiring Rhodes or Jordan ??? Wow

 
I don't believe that McFadden is an option for this team.

I think they believe that the ZBS Tom Cable installed can make solid runners out of pedestrian talents (Hi, my name is Justin Fargas!).

I think they are more than comfortable going into the season with Fargas, Bush, Rhodes, and someone else.

I think that McFadden is far from a "classic" Al Davis pick. Vernon Gholston, on the other hand.........

Michael Bush also was called a "classic". Bo Jackson, Raghib Ishmail.....Davis would like nothing more than for this former first round talent to blow up.

So I don't think Bush is "staring down the barrel of another lost season." But it's nice phrase.

I think the fact that the Raiders were getting solid carries from everyone on the team except the freaking punter last year made activating Bush kind of pointless. Frankly, that move could have been questioned. They had very little to gain from activating him. The Raiders were getting production from the position. There was no rush.

By the way, is there any confirmation that Bush wasn't activated to keep a back away from a division rival? Does the guy even use the phrase, "Sources say"? Where does this info come from?

I had no problem with this move.

Sorry for the intrusion. Continue with the misinformed, knee-jerk, don't-use-your-head Raider bashing.

 
Sorry for the intrusion. Continue with the misinformed, knee-jerk, don't-use-your-head Raider bashing.
Crappy team in a crappy stadium with crappy fans. :wall: :rolleyes: (McFadden would be the absolute wrong pick for this team with the #4 pick.)
 
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Marcus Allen was the SuperBowl MVP. Next season training camp he was #3 on the depth chart.

Enough said.

 
And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.
Literally stopped reading right after that sentence. Just awful.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Most of us prefer winning games to losing games.
Agreed. I'm not sure if your point was that my statement (out of context) was awful or that point that was made in the article was awful. Either way, the article was interesting whether you believe what Robinson asserts or not. It's the discussion that follows here that's the most fun.As far as Bush/McFadden, IMO, the Raiders would be better off taking someone like a Dorsey than they would be by selecting McFadden. Their current stable should be productive, though each of the backs they have are not without their own question marks.ETA: I just realized, Chase, you quoted that from article above. I didn't think that was my direct quote. :) Carry on...
 
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And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.
Literally stopped reading right after that sentence. Just awful.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Most of us prefer winning games to losing games.
Agreed. I'm not sure if your point was that my statement (out of context) was awful or that point that was made in the article was awful. Either way, the article was interesting whether you believe what Robinson asserts or not. It's the discussion that follows here that's the most fun.As far as Bush/McFadden, IMO, the Raiders would be better off taking someone like a Dorsey than they would be by selecting McFadden. Their current stable should be productive, though each of the backs they have are not without their own question marks.
Nothing against you, Bob. You were just the one that quote the article. :)Seriously, that writer should be ashamed of himself.
 
And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.
Literally stopped reading right after that sentence. Just awful.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Most of us prefer winning games to losing games.
Agreed. I'm not sure if your point was that my statement (out of context) was awful or that point that was made in the article was awful. Either way, the article was interesting whether you believe what Robinson asserts or not. It's the discussion that follows here that's the most fun.As far as Bush/McFadden, IMO, the Raiders would be better off taking someone like a Dorsey than they would be by selecting McFadden. Their current stable should be productive, though each of the backs they have are not without their own question marks.
Nothing against you, Bob. You were just the one that quote the article. :unsure:Seriously, that writer should be ashamed of himself.
Yeh, I caught that.. Whooosh (as in over my head). I needed another cup o' joe anyway.
 
Sorry for the intrusion. Continue with the misinformed, knee-jerk, don't-use-your-head Raider bashing.
Crappy team in a crappy stadium with crappy fans. :P :unsure: (McFadden would be the absolute wrong pick for this team with the #4 pick.)
Exactly. I think they know it, too.
First or second sentence? :confused: :lol:
:throwsdowngauntlet:My attitude about this team is: There's plenty to mock for legitimate reasons, without making stuff up, or taking what some guy says in a throwaway line with no apparent source, and using it as a springboard to more one-liners.

I would probably classify myself as a homer, but I'd like to think I take each story about my team, and decide for myself. Rather than looking for the angle in ANY story to bash them.

The Tommy Kelly signing? I am first in line to question the move. The hot seat status of Lane Kiffin? Upsets me to no end. The supposed massive JaMarcus Russell waddling around Northern Cali? Well, I'll wait for confirmation on that one. Then we get conformation form every Raiders beat writer that not only is he not pushing 300, but is also at the facility every day, in meetings, and working out. But man, that fact didn't get nearly as much play as the unsubstantiated rumor from Don "never broken a Raider story that I know of" Banks.

This very easily could have been a story about a young talent, excited to help the team, with only Justin Fargas standing in his way. Instead, Robinson spins it as a mismanaged team, that forgot about him as they won "meaningless" games down the stretch. I mean, come on, is he kidding? I personally thought those wins were the actions of a team that hadn't given up, and played hard for the new coach all year. Maybe I'm just silly.

Seriously, this is an awful piece of journalism.

 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
"More time to recover" is a nice straw man, but it sounds like by all accounts that Bush was fully recovered from a physical standpoint and was ready to play, including with sufficient knowledge of the playbook. Regardless, that addresses only the PUP list issue. Will you be saying this if they don't give Bush an opportunity in the preseason to show his stuff? What if they draft McFadden?
 
Marcus Allen was the SuperBowl MVP. Next season training camp he was #3 on the depth chart.Enough said.
/thread :mellow:
So sorry to glance over post 23. You'll never get those 3 seconds it took to read my post back.Or the 5 seconds it took to write yours. :lmao:
By all means.. I'm really fortunate have read this thread. It's helped me realize the Raiders are the only organization who run into personnel disputes, make bad draft picks and have strings of bad seasons after years of success. ;)
 
Marcus Allen was the SuperBowl MVP. Next season training camp he was #3 on the depth chart.Enough said.
/thread :scared:
So sorry to glance over post 23. You'll never get those 3 seconds it took to read my post back.Or the 5 seconds it took to write yours. :lmao:
By all means.. I'm really fortunate have read this thread. It's helped me realize the Raiders are the only organization who run into personnel disputes, make bad draft picks and have strings of bad seasons after years of success. :wolf:
lol, touche.
 
This is just more people trying to pile on the Raiders. If any other team did this they would be praised for giving the guy more time to recover. If the Raiders had activated him last year the spin would have been how can they activate a guy coming off a broken leg when the rest of the season is meaningless.
Orrrrr the Raiders may have gotten a chance to see what Bush could do at the end of the season and then they'd have a better idea whether McFadden should be the choice.
Orrrrrrr maybe the Raiders already know what he can do and don't want the rest of the league to know what they are in store for when they unleash the tri-headed monster of Fargas, Bush, AND McFadden......... :goodposting:
 
Sorry for the intrusion. Continue with the misinformed, knee-jerk, don't-use-your-head Raider bashing.
Crappy team in a crappy stadium with crappy fans. :P :hot: (McFadden would be the absolute wrong pick for this team with the #4 pick.)
Exactly. I think they know it, too.
First or second sentence? :cry: :cry:
:throwsdowngauntlet:My attitude about this team is: There's plenty to mock for legitimate reasons, without making stuff up, or taking what some guy says in a throwaway line with no apparent source, and using it as a springboard to more one-liners.

I would probably classify myself as a homer, but I'd like to think I take each story about my team, and decide for myself. Rather than looking for the angle in ANY story to bash them.

The Tommy Kelly signing? I am first in line to question the move. The hot seat status of Lane Kiffin? Upsets me to no end. The supposed massive JaMarcus Russell waddling around Northern Cali? Well, I'll wait for confirmation on that one. Then we get conformation form every Raiders beat writer that not only is he not pushing 300, but is also at the facility every day, in meetings, and working out. But man, that fact didn't get nearly as much play as the unsubstantiated rumor from Don "never broken a Raider story that I know of" Banks.

This very easily could have been a story about a young talent, excited to help the team, with only Justin Fargas standing in his way. Instead, Robinson spins it as a mismanaged team, that forgot about him as they won "meaningless" games down the stretch. I mean, come on, is he kidding? I personally thought those wins were the actions of a team that hadn't given up, and played hard for the new coach all year. Maybe I'm just silly.

Seriously, this is an awful piece of journalism.
Personally, I can't stand the Raiders or Al Davis, and I'm all about poking fun at the black and silver, but this is still a darn :rolleyes: Bush is young, and obviously hungry. It would be more troublesome if he DIDN'T get at least a little bit upset at being left on the PUP like that. But the raiders had a ton of good reasons for doing it, not just the one the writer decided to make the focus of this story. Let's find some better stuff to poke at them with! (We shouldn't have to look too hard! ;) )

 
Sorry for the intrusion. Continue with the misinformed, knee-jerk, don't-use-your-head Raider bashing.
Crappy team in a crappy stadium with crappy fans. :lmao: :goodposting: (McFadden would be the absolute wrong pick for this team with the #4 pick.)
I will not assume you are a Vikings fan in MN......but I really don't care either way......but exactly how many times have you travelled around the country to see your team?......But if you haven't been to Oakland for a game, then don't assume anything about their fans.........Because whichever team you're cheering for up north there, I know for a fact that the Raiders have way more fans worldwide than your teams do........
 
Marcus Allen was the SuperBowl MVP. Next season training camp he was #3 on the depth chart.

Enough said.
/thread :rolleyes:
So sorry to glance over post 23. You'll never get those 3 seconds it took to read my post back.Or the 5 seconds it took to write yours. :lmao:
By all means.. I'm really fortunate have read this thread.

It's helped me realize the Raiders are the only organization who run into personnel disputes, make bad draft picks and have strings of bad seasons after years of success.

;)
I guess I'd come to this conclusion to if I had such "pe*%s envy" toward a team as you do towards the Raiders.......So kindly remove from my mind the problems over the years in Cincy, Minny, DET, T.B., S.F., CAR, MIA, Jets, YOUR TEAM HERE.......both on the field and in the draft rooms.......

 
This very easily could have been a story about a young talent, excited to help the team, with only Justin Fargas standing in his way. Instead, Robinson spins it as a mismanaged team, that forgot about him as they won "meaningless" games down the stretch. I mean, come on, is he kidding? I personally thought those wins were the actions of a team that hadn't given up, and played hard for the new coach all year. Maybe I'm just silly.
You mean like this story on Bush?
 
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I kinda think the Raiders will be competetive this year. Their running game will be good even if they don't draft McFadden, which the shouldn't, and if they go D in the 1st they should get an immediate playmaker. IF Walker is healthy their WRs are decent enough.

I predict a 6 - 10 season but they will be in most of the games.

In 2009 they reverse it and go 10 - 6. Mabye.

 
Chase Stuart said:
And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.
Literally stopped reading right after that sentence. Just awful.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Most of us prefer winning games to losing games.
You understand the difference between correlation and causation, correct?
 
Chase Stuart said:
And while Oakland won both of those games, the victories accomplished almost nothing in the wider view of what became a 4-12 season.
Literally stopped reading right after that sentence. Just awful.
Why? What's wrong with that?
Most of us prefer winning games to losing games.
You understand the difference between correlation and causation, correct?
Hope that helps.
 
kremenull said:
One said:
obxlegends said:
Marcus Allen was the SuperBowl MVP. Next season training camp he was #3 on the depth chart.

Enough said.
/thread :mellow:
So sorry to glance over post 23. You'll never get those 3 seconds it took to read my post back.Or the 5 seconds it took to write yours. :lmao:
By all means.. I'm really fortunate have read this thread.

It's helped me realize the Raiders are the only organization who run into personnel disputes, make bad draft picks and have strings of bad seasons after years of success.

;)
I guess I'd come to this conclusion to if I had such "pe*%s envy" toward a team as you do towards the Raiders.......So kindly remove from my mind the problems over the years in Cincy, Minny, DET, T.B., S.F., CAR, MIA, Jets, YOUR TEAM HERE.......both on the field and in the draft rooms.......
Hey Genius, ever hear of SARCASM? I'm not that smart but even I was able to see that Ravens Jab.
 

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