Why no love for JJ? (1 Viewer)

[weasel3515]

I've seen lots of threads proclaiming who will be the next great RB this year and wondering why Dallas' JJ gets no love. Granted, the dude has had injury problems his whole career going back to college, but does anyone remember how well he finished two years ago? Now with T.O. signed, defenses won't be able to load up to stop him which should be good for some long runs and even some short passes in the flat for receiving yards. Could be a steal in the 2nd round IMO. Thoughts?

PS I am NOT a Cowboys fan!

 

[gman8343]

He should be very good. Wonder what role Barber will take.

 

[gang-wars]

I've seen lots of threads proclaiming who will be the next great RB this year and wondering why Dallas' JJ gets no love. Granted, the dude has had injury problems his whole career going back to college, but does anyone remember how well he finished two years ago? Now with T.O. signed, defenses won't be able to load up to stop him which should be good for some long runs and even some short passes in the flat for receiving yards. Could be a steal in the 2nd round IMO. Thoughts?

PS I am NOT a Cowboys fan!

Like you said, injury problems.But the main thing, is he even the starter?

He was mostly healthy, and got as many TDs as Barber. Barber played a TON in the RZ in the 2nd half of the year.

Parcells has said he isn't sure if JJ can be a 16 game a year RB in the NFL. If JJ gets banged up preseason, and Barber shines, Barber could be the starter and never look back.

People talk about Benson stealing the load from Jones.

Barber has shown more then Benson, and JJ was far worse then Jones. But no one really talks it up. JJ was a 2nd round pick, he's hardly the anointed franchise RB for the Cowboys. Last 11 games Barber had 125 carries, JJ had 143. Add in Barbers RZ play, I'm not so sure JJ is going to carry most of the load for the Cowbows, much less stay healthy, much less produce.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Not certain that Parcells is a believer.

MB3 is likely to steal a number of touches. Also, as you said, the injury history cannot be discounted for JJ.

If you told me that JJ would be the unconstested feature back and would play 13-16 games, I'd be with you. But I'm not convinced on either point.

 

[Texasmouth]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

 

[gang-wars]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't think JJ owners will have to worry about RBBC. Parcells has never been a fan, he's always given one guy the rock. I also think that going into training camp there is no debate who the starter is.....It's Mr. JJ. I wouldn't be a bad idea for JJ owners however to get MBIII though due to JJ injuries.

 

[weasel3515]

Agree with Blackjacks. Parcells is a one RB guy. He will pound him until he can't run anymore. That said...I also agree MBIII is an absolute handcuff. What round do you think he should be taken? I'm hoping the 8th or 9th.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Agree with Blackjacks. Parcells is a one RB guy. He will pound him until he can't run anymore. That said...I also agree MBIII is an absolute handcuff. What round do you think he should be taken? I'm hoping the 8th or 9th.

Parcells would love to be a one RB guy. I don't know that he believes that he has the talent on his roster to do that.Do not be surprised if he drafts a back in 2 weeks, although I would have favored either an open backfield competition and/or a FA signing like Bennett or J. Wells.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I thought this thread was going to be about Joe Jurevicius. I agree he's a big sleeper this year as the WR1 in Cleveland.

 

[Jackal]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

jones also missed a few games giving barber his first serious playing time.

 

[LHUCKS]

Barber > JJ...that' why.

 

[Garts]

Staring to think that JJ and Tatum Bell are way to similar.....studly speed and talent.....NO durability to speak of or confidence from their coaches.

 

[Texasmouth]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

Maybe it would be a big deal if JJ was healthy and Barber got 60% but he wasn't. the only reason that MB3 was in on the red zone plays is because JJ still wasn't healthy and didn't need to be pounding the ball in the red zone. I wont argue the risk involved in drafting JJ, if you draft him, you better grab MB3 too. I am just saying when JJ is healthy, he is a big time home run threat, MB3 really isn't. I do like both guys though and I own them both in my dynasty league so I could care less which one of them ends up the starter, I just think it will be JJ.

 

[Davej626]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

Maybe it would be a big deal if JJ was healthy and Barber got 60% but he wasn't. the only reason that MB3 was in on the red zone plays is because JJ still wasn't healthy and didn't need to be pounding the ball in the red zone. I wont argue the risk involved in drafting JJ, if you draft him, you better grab MB3 too. I am just saying when JJ is healthy, he is a big time home run threat, MB3 really isn't. I do like both guys though and I own them both in my dynasty league so I could care less which one of them ends up the starter, I just think it will be JJ.

thats fine. You take him in the second round and I'll take a legit RB1 like SJax and we'll see how it works out. Best of luck with that.

 

[Slinger]

I thought this thread was going to be about Joe Jurevicius. I agree he's a big sleeper this year as the WR1 in Cleveland.

I thought it was about JJ Arrington.

 

[Texasmouth]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

Maybe it would be a big deal if JJ was healthy and Barber got 60% but he wasn't. the only reason that MB3 was in on the red zone plays is because JJ still wasn't healthy and didn't need to be pounding the ball in the red zone. I wont argue the risk involved in drafting JJ, if you draft him, you better grab MB3 too. I am just saying when JJ is healthy, he is a big time home run threat, MB3 really isn't. I do like both guys though and I own them both in my dynasty league so I could care less which one of them ends up the starter, I just think it will be JJ.

thats fine. You take him in the second round and I'll take a legit RB1 like SJax and we'll see how it works out. Best of luck with that.

This is the second stupid post of yours I have read this morning alone. Show me where in this thread anyone said they would take JJ over Steven Jackson? We were discussing who would be the main guy in Dallas, not whether or not we would draft JJ over other backs. Maybe you should spend more time researching numbers and reading the threads and less time trying to be witty. The second choice isn't working out so well for you.

 

[Texasmouth]

I thought this thread was going to be about Joe Jurevicius. I agree he's a big sleeper this year as the WR1 in Cleveland.

I thought it was about JJ Arrington.

Who would make a thread about JJ Arrington?

 

[Slinger]

I'm sure there's one, maybe two, somewhere out there.

 

[Texasmouth]

I'm sure there's one, maybe two, somewhere out there.

I saw that you bumped one just to prove me wrong....... Good work......

 

[Slinger]

Never!

 

[Tong Po]

I thought this was a thread about JJ from Good Times. Another guy who gets no love.

 

[Texasmouth]

I thought this was a thread about JJ from Good Times. Another guy who gets no love.

Now that was funny. And at this time in the morning. Props to you.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think JJ has the talent to be the man, but can he stay injury free? Good debate.

MB3 did well in his place, but MB3 is not a special player. he's an average RB.

 

[Texasmouth]

I think JJ has the talent to be the man, but can he stay injury free? Good debate.

MB3 did well in his place, but MB3 is not a special player. he's an average RB.

I think he is good at what he does. Just like Richie Anderson, the player Parcell's himself compared him to.

 

[Davej626]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

Maybe it would be a big deal if JJ was healthy and Barber got 60% but he wasn't. the only reason that MB3 was in on the red zone plays is because JJ still wasn't healthy and didn't need to be pounding the ball in the red zone. I wont argue the risk involved in drafting JJ, if you draft him, you better grab MB3 too. I am just saying when JJ is healthy, he is a big time home run threat, MB3 really isn't. I do like both guys though and I own them both in my dynasty league so I could care less which one of them ends up the starter, I just think it will be JJ.

thats fine. You take him in the second round and I'll take a legit RB1 like SJax and we'll see how it works out. Best of luck with that.

This is the second stupid post of yours I have read this morning alone. Show me where in this thread anyone said they would take JJ over Steven Jackson? We were discussing who would be the main guy in Dallas, not whether or not we would draft JJ over other backs. Maybe you should spend more time researching numbers and reading the threads and less time trying to be witty. The second choice isn't working out so well for you.

Hey there Homer. Sorry to rain on your parade, but did you read the first post? You know, the one we are all taking about? Maybe if you did, you would see that Weasel started this thread by suggesting that JJ would be a steal in the second round. Hence my comment about taking JJ versus taking another 2nd round RB, for example, SJax. So why don't you understand what you are talking about, or what the thread is about, before you try to pad your ego.

I love noobs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

No running back in the NFL takes every carry. Of Course MB3 will steal some touches. Big deal. The problem is if JJ can stay healthy for longer than 10 minutes. I love the guy, I am a huge fan, but I am tired of this guy getting injured every time he changes his shoe.

I think JJ will be the starter and MB3 wil play the Richie Anderson role until JJ gets hurt. Hopefully this will be the season he stays healthy.

Big deal? Fact Barber played 60% of the season and matched JJs TD total. I didn't see a ton of Cowboy games, but Barber seemed to be in A LOT in the RZ.

Now I'm not saying JJ isnt going to be the starter. But there's some risk involved with JJ, more then most backs. (injuries, parcells, barber)

Maybe it would be a big deal if JJ was healthy and Barber got 60% but he wasn't. the only reason that MB3 was in on the red zone plays is because JJ still wasn't healthy and didn't need to be pounding the ball in the red zone. I wont argue the risk involved in drafting JJ, if you draft him, you better grab MB3 too. I am just saying when JJ is healthy, he is a big time home run threat, MB3 really isn't. I do like both guys though and I own them both in my dynasty league so I could care less which one of them ends up the starter, I just think it will be JJ.

thats fine. You take him in the second round and I'll take a legit RB1 like SJax and we'll see how it works out. Best of luck with that.

This is the second stupid post of yours I have read this morning alone. Show me where in this thread anyone said they would take JJ over Steven Jackson? We were discussing who would be the main guy in Dallas, not whether or not we would draft JJ over other backs. Maybe you should spend more time researching numbers and reading the threads and less time trying to be witty. The second choice isn't working out so well for you.

Hey there Homer. Sorry to rain on your parade, but did you read the first post? You know, the one we are all taking about? Maybe if you did, you would see that Weasel started this thread by suggesting that JJ would be a steal in the second round. Hence my comment about taking JJ versus taking another 2nd round RB, for example, SJax. So why don't you understand what you are talking about, or what the thread is about, before you try to pad your ego.

I love noobs.

Sjax is no 2nd round RB. Julius is.IMHO

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

JJ isn't a 2nd round RB, more like 7th round or later. A lot of similarties (in terms of situation - not talent or skill set) like Chris Brown in '05. Incumbent starter (purportedly) with a considerable back-up (Henry-MB3), issues about who will start or maybe even RBBC... injury issues... all leading to Chris Brown being a value pick in the mid-late rounds.

I wouldn't touch JJ until the mid-late rounds and consider him a value-pick-type. Certainly wouldn't reach for him as a #2 RB or even a #3 RB. But as a #4 RB? Why not?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

JJ isn't a 2nd round RB, more like 7th round or later. A lot of similarties (in terms of situation - not talent or skill set) like Chris Brown in '05. Incumbent starter (purportedly) with a considerable back-up (Henry-MB3), issues about who will start or maybe even RBBC... injury issues... all leading to Chris Brown being a value pick in the mid-late rounds.

I wouldn't touch JJ until the mid-late rounds and consider him a value-pick-type. Certainly wouldn't reach for him as a #2 RB or even a #3 RB. But as a #4 RB? Why not?

LOL at 7th round.Willis the 4th anyone??

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I just new JJ Stokes was back in the NFL when I stumbled on this thread.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

You never know what could happen in the intervening months. But right now, his playing situation is analogous to Chris Brown's in '05. And Chris Brown was typically available in the mid-late rounds.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You never know what could happen in the intervening months. But right now, his playing situation is analogous to Chris Brown's in '05. And Chris Brown was typically available in the mid-late rounds.

except for the fact that Cris Brown's offense was gonna stink and tennesse's D was gonna too. not a great situation for the Tenn RB1. In Dallas you have a budding you stud D, a great receiving core, JJ is in a way better situation this year, than Crissy Brown was last year.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

Point taken. But does that make Julius Jones a 2nd rounder or even a 3rd rounder? Well if you like risks, and you don't mind your #1/#2 RB riding the pine or RBBCing, then by all means take the plunge. There's no value or any justifiable reason to "blow" a high-end pick on Julius Jones. If Julius Jones is worth a 2nd/3rd rounder, does that mean Marion Barber III is also worth a 2nd/3rd rounder?

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't think JJ owners will have to worry about RBBC. Parcells has never been a fan, he's always given one guy the rock. I also think that going into training camp there is no debate who the starter is.....It's Mr. JJ. I wouldn't be a bad idea for JJ owners however to get MBIII though due to JJ injuries.

Seems to a valid strategy. So much so that I did this to a tee.....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Point taken. But does that make Julius Jones a 2nd rounder or even a 3rd rounder?  Well if you like risks, and you don't mind your #1/#2 RB riding the pine or RBBCing, then by all means take the plunge. There's no value or any justifiable reason to "blow" a high-end pick on Julius Jones. If Julius Jones is worth a 2nd/3rd rounder, does that mean Marion Barber III is also worth a 2nd/3rd rounder?

hey if julia Jones is on your "do not take" list, then fine , but RB's in the late 2nd / early 3rd are gonna have some risk attached to them anyway. his upside is too great to ignore, and his handcuff should be relatively cheap.

 

[Bankerguy]

JJ isn't a 2nd round RB, more like 7th round or later.  A lot of similarties (in terms of situation - not talent or skill set) like Chris Brown in '05.  Incumbent starter (purportedly) with a considerable back-up (Henry-MB3), issues about who will start or maybe even RBBC... injury issues... all leading to Chris Brown being a value pick in the mid-late rounds. 

I wouldn't touch JJ until the mid-late rounds and consider him a value-pick-type. Certainly wouldn't reach for him as a #2 RB or even a #3 RB.  But as a #4 RB?  Why not?

Right OK.....share some of your other pearls of wisdom with the board.Here are the facts in my opinion:

Parcells is a 1 RB guy.

JJ>MB3. MB3 will spot JJ 1 series a game. Not a threat imo.

JJ is injury prone. Although the injuries we pretty legit (Broken shoulder). This is my major worry about drafting him.

Dallas offense will be better than last year.

TO doesn't allow opposing D's to stack 8 in the box. A healthy O-line (Adams and Riveria+upgrading with Fabiani over Pettiti)

JJ is below average in the redzone

Here are JJ's stats from last year.

12 GS

257 attempts

993 yards

3.9 avg per carry

5 TD's

I am bumping JJ slightly.

14 GS

290 attempts

1189 yards

4.1 per carry

7-8 TD's

If I had one of the top 3 picks I would be happy getting JJ in the second round or early thrid leaving me with a combo of:

Alexander/JJ

LT /JJ

LJ/JJ

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

I agree that RBBC in the sense that we know it - splitting carries within a game between two or more RBs is unlikely with Parcells calling the shots.

But how about a Minesota Vikings-like situation (that occured for much of last season in Dallas) where a "hot" runner is given the reigns for one game, and then benched for the "other" hot runner the next game. If you owned Julius Jones or you happen to be a Cowboys fan, you know that there were games that you expected Julius Jones to get 25 carries (because he got 25 carries last week) only to find out in the 4th quarter that he was reduced to back-up duties and had 5 carries for 20 yards.

 

[TheFanatic]

I agree that RBBC in the sense that we know it - splitting carries within a game between two or more RBs is unlikely with Parcells calling the shots.

 

[weasel3515]

No offense, but I think 7th round for JJ is laughable. Especially in a 10 or 12-team league when starting RBs are gobbled early and often.

A couple of reasons I forgot to add in my original post why I think JJ might, might be a steal.

First, Parcells is one coach who really likes to run the ball. Any starting RB for Parcells should post decent numbers in the least.

Second, If you look at Dallas' schedule this year you will see that they play only two teams that ranked in the top-10 in rush defense last year. While defenses do change year in and year out, that low number still warrants attention. Still, Dallas only plays three teams that ranked in the bottom-10 in rush defense which is also lower than most teams. That gives the Cowboys at least an even chance at good games for the remainder of the schedule which is not bad. Best, yet, however, is if, and again that is a big IF, JJ can stay healthy, then he would get New Orleans and Atlanta in the first two weeks of most league's playoffs (weeks 14 and 15) who have ranked in the bottom-10 in rush defense for at least the last 3 years. Then JJ gets to finish at home against Philly which was not good against the rush on the road last year.

I am hoping that if I got JJ in the 2nd round I could still get MBIII in the 8th, what do you think?

 

[weasel3515]

No offense, but I think 7th round for JJ is laughable. Especially in a 10 or 12-team league when starting RBs are gobbled early and often.

A couple of reasons I forgot to add in my original post why I think JJ might, might be a steal.

First, Parcells is one coach who really likes to run the ball. Any starting RB for Parcells should post decent numbers in the least.

Second, If you look at Dallas' schedule this year you will see that they play only two teams that ranked in the top-10 in rush defense last year. While defenses do change year in and year out, that low number still warrants attention. Still, Dallas only plays three teams that ranked in the bottom-10 in rush defense which is also lower than most teams. That gives the Cowboys at least an even chance at good games for the remainder of the schedule which is not bad. Best, yet, however, is if, and again that is a big IF, JJ can stay healthy, then he would get New Orleans and Atlanta in the first two weeks of most league's playoffs (weeks 14 and 15) who have ranked in the bottom-10 in rush defense for at least the last 3 years. Then JJ gets to finish at home against Philly which was not good against the rush on the road last year.

I am hoping that if I got JJ in the 2nd round I could still get MBIII in the 8th, what do you think?

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

I am hoping that if I got JJ in the 2nd round I could still get MBIII in the 8th, what do you think?

It wouldn't matter if you got both RBs... if you don't know which RB gets the start for any given Sunday... which was the problem down the stretch for JJ-owners in '05 (like myself). It's only April and lots of things can change. But right now, he's a #4 RB in 10-team leagues, and a #3 RB in 12-team leagues in redraft format. Call me a pessimist.

 

[Texasmouth]

JJ isn't a 2nd round RB, more like 7th round or later.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Please tell me you are fishing.

This could possibly be one of the worst posts I have ever read.

The guy is a starter. He almost rushed for 1,000 yards last season and he was hurt.

No way he is around in the third round, much less the 7th round unless you are in a league full of ######s.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

Like I said... it's April. Unless you have special mind powers that can see into the future, and you have a 100% prognosticating (sp?) record, I suggest you be open to the idea that you might be wrong. All I am doing is taking the facts of the case at face value - JJ is somewhat injury prone, has suspect talent, and has fairly talented competition for carries - all which lead to the possible conclusion of RBBC... or worse. Unless you're Bill Parcells, I doubt you would know whether or not JJ will be featured next season (and I doubt Bill Parcells knows who he's going to feature as his RB in April).

Like I said, it's only if you ask me to draft right now that I would recommend leaving JJ for the risk-takers - far too many unanswered questions. If you want to spend a high end pick on a guy that has a 50-50 (or better) chance of being in a RBBC... or worse - be my guest. It's not entirely unheard of or in the realm of the impossible that this COULD be the case.

 

[Davej626]

Like I said... it's April. Unless you have special mind powers that can see into the future, and you have a 100% prognosticating (sp?) record, I suggest you be open to the idea that you might be wrong. All I am doing is taking the facts of the case at face value - JJ is somewhat injury prone, has suspect talent, and has fairly talented competition for carries - all which lead to the possible conclusion of RBBC... or worse. Unless you're Bill Parcells, I doubt you would know whether or not JJ will be featured next season (and I doubt Bill Parcells knows who he's going to feature as his RB in April).

Like I said, it's only if you ask me to draft right now that I would recommend leaving JJ for the risk-takers - far too many unanswered questions. If you want to spend a high end pick on a guy that has a 50-50 (or better) chance of being in a RBBC... or worse - be my guest. It's not entirely unheard of or in the realm of the impossible that this COULD be the case.

 

[Texasmouth]

Like I said... it's April. Unless you have special mind powers that can see into the future, and you have a 100% prognosticating (sp?) record, I suggest you be open to the idea that you might be wrong. All I am doing is taking the facts of the case at face value - JJ is somewhat injury prone, has suspect talent, and has fairly talented competition for carries - all which lead to the possible conclusion of RBBC... or worse. Unless you're Bill Parcells, I doubt you would know whether or not JJ will be featured next season (and I doubt Bill Parcells knows who he's going to feature as his RB in April).

Like I said, it's only if you ask me to draft right now that I would recommend leaving JJ for the risk-takers - far too many unanswered questions. If you want to spend a high end pick on a guy that has a 50-50 (or better) chance of being in a RBBC... or worse - be my guest. It's not entirely unheard of or in the realm of the impossible that this COULD be the case.

Well, it's April so I guess I will knock LT down to the third round. Who knows what Marty is thinking. They have basically a rookie QB and he could get injured. Go ahead and waste your number 1 pick on him but there are too many variables here.....

JJ wont be around in the 7th. Sorry.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Like I said... it's April. Unless you have special mind powers that can see into the future, and you have a 100% prognosticating (sp?) record, I suggest you be open to the idea that you might be wrong. All I am doing is taking the facts of the case at face value - JJ is somewhat injury prone, has suspect talent, and has fairly talented competition for carries - all which lead to the possible conclusion of RBBC... or worse. Unless you're Bill Parcells, I doubt you would know whether or not JJ will be featured next season (and I doubt Bill Parcells knows who he's going to feature as his RB in April).

Like I said, it's only if you ask me to draft right now that I would recommend leaving JJ for the risk-takers - far too many unanswered questions. If you want to spend a high end pick on a guy that has a 50-50 (or better) chance of being in a RBBC... or worse - be my guest. It's not entirely unheard of or in the realm of the impossible that this COULD be the case.

I completely agree with you. IMO, JJ is overrated. He's always hurt and he's not that good. I wouldn't take him before the 7th round either.

 

[Texasmouth]

I don't think JJ is injury prone. He had a broken shoulder and a high ankle sprain. Those are both major things, he isn't Chris Brown who sits out every time he sneezes hard.

I am not arguing the fact that JJ is an injury risk. Who isn't? Caddilac Williams is no different in my opinion. He missed time last year too.

I won't argue that JJ is not a 1st round pick anymore but there is no way he slips to the 7th round in any league with people who know anything about football. Middle to late 2nd round, maybe early third at worst.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

JJ reminds me alot of Freddy Taylor. All the talent in the world but just seems to get dinged up.

I really dont think JJ has any more risk than the other backs going in the mid to late 2nd round & early third round of standard 12 team leagues.

Jamal,Dillon,K.Jones,Chester etc. all these guys are risk picks.

I think with the infusion of TO to the offense that the #1 RB in Dallas will be a productive FF back, and I think Parcells is gonna give JJ every chance to be that back. Maybe we need to hear the Tuna say "She'll be alright". and we can move on.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

JJ reminds me alot of Freddy Taylor. All the talent in the world but just seems to get dinged up. 

I really dont think JJ has any more risk than  the other backs going in the mid to late 2nd round & early third round of standard 12 team leagues. 

Jamal,Dillon,K.Jones,Chester  etc.  all these guys are risk picks.

I think with the infusion of TO to the offense that the #1 RB in Dallas will be a productive FF back, and I think Parcells is gonna give JJ every chance to be that back.  Maybe we need to hear the Tuna say "She'll be alright". and we can move on.

I agree to an extent - you see, I view JJ as pretty much on par with MB3 as of this point of time when it comes down to the question "who will be the featured runner for the Cowboys in '06?". In otherwords, I think there's at least a 50% chance that JJ will not be the featured runner. Which leads me to the conclusion that he is as of this point of time a "RBBC-type" (for the lack of a better phrase - see reply #37 for reservations on the use of this phrase). The dropoff from a RBBC-type from a "Jamal,Dillon,K.Jones,Chester etc."-type is pretty steep. Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but RBBC-types typically start to get drafted from between the 5th and 7th rounds.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

JJ reminds me alot of Freddy Taylor. All the talent in the world but just seems to get dinged up. 

I really dont think JJ has any more risk than  the other backs going in the mid to late 2nd round & early third round of standard 12 team leagues. 

Jamal,Dillon,K.Jones,Chester  etc.  all these guys are risk picks.

I think with the infusion of TO to the offense that the #1 RB in Dallas will be a productive FF back, and I think Parcells is gonna give JJ every chance to be that back.  Maybe we need to hear the Tuna say "She'll be alright". and we can move on.

I agree to an extent - you see, I view JJ as pretty much on par with MB3 as of this point of time when it comes down to the question "who will be the featured runner for the Cowboys in '06?". In otherwords, I think there's at least a 50% chance that JJ will not be the featured runner. Which leads me to the conclusion that he is as of this point of time a "RBBC-type" (for the lack of a better phrase). The dropoff from a RBBC-type from a "Jamal,Dillon,K.Jones,Chester etc."-type is pretty steep. Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but RBBC-types typically start to get drafted from between the 5th and 7th rounds.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I think 50% is very very high percentage. #1 - given parcells track record as a non- RBBC guy, #2 - that JJ has alot more natural talent and ability than MB3, and i think Parcells will give JJ every chance as long as JJ is heathly. MB3 will get some carries, but if Bill has his way, not a ton of touches, a richie anderson type role.. As far as the other players I listed goes- Jamal - mike anderson, and a horrible season last year , 5th round pick?

kevin Jones? Bryson takes his reception value away and he has a whole new staff, QB, and his Oline is horrible, 4th round pick?

Dillon, banged up badly last year, they are due to draft a rookie, plus K.faulk steals his receptions. 5th rounder for sure!

Chester- new guy in Minny, with a new coach, aging QB, M.moore, the whiz, fason. 4th round at best.

you see my point? tons of questions with everyone. And these are all 2nd / 3rd round players.