Why should Cam Cameron keep his job? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

First off I live down in Miami, grew up a Dolphins fan, very painful to watch the Dolphins sink this far, and the Ronnie Brown injury is more painful than any of the local dumb dumb radio hosts are allowing people to believe. Jim Mandich yesterday literally said that knee injuries are not as bad as they used to be...a torn ACL is a 1-2 year process to get back to 100%, that's a fact. No one bounces back and leads the league in rushing the next season...now Miami has to possibly address the same position that they spent a #2 pick in the draft on.

But I want to focus on Cam Cameron for a minute. Because he helped put this mess together. He didn't want Culpepper, no no no, he had to go out and basically tell Trent Green while he was employed with KC that he wanted him to come over to Miami. Knowing full well he had a severe concussion and was 37 going into this season. Jason Taylor openly talked about Green being able to make it thru the season before it began...he was criticized but boy was he right on.

So knowing Trent Green was a shaky play at QB, they run Culpepper out of here for nothing after Miami signed him the year before. They just cut him. He only rolls into town and scores 5 TD against them, but lets not even go there. So our back up is Cleo Lemon...CLEO LEMON!!! This guy should not be starting in the NFL. Stop looking at it form a FF perspective, this guy is not an NFL caliber QB...back up at best and I would not rate him as one of the better back ups in football. Cam had to know there was a distinct possibility that Lemon would be thrust into the line up. ANd instead of taking Brady Quinn, who had a lot of pre NFL experience studying under CHarlie Weiss and might have been able to start, instead this bozo presses for Teddy Ginn who has done nothing(talk more about that in a minute), and then takes a project by the name of John Beck in the 2nd round. Now maybe Beck will pan out but I have a feeling that given his age(26 already), given the fact the Phins stink so bad and Beck is not playing at all, given the fact they can't even script 10-15 plays for him to at last get into the game, I just have a bad feeling that Beck is not the QB of the future for Miami.

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Now Cam didn't sign FA like Joey "Can I get a paycheck for nothing" Porter, however he should have had some clue just how bad this Miami secondary was and told ownership that he needed help. Also would have been a good idea to maybe address that in the draft instead of spending the #9 overall pick on a Kick Return specialist. Let's talk about Ginn because what I have seen so far is not very exciting. He was somehow overthrown on a long ball this past weekend by Cleo Lemon who does not have a big arm...we're talking 50 yds down the field and it looked like he could have made an attempt had he either laid out or turned on the jets...didn't look like he was running full speed, WTH?

I don't need to see too many of Cam's drafts as all he did was address offense with the 1st round and (2) 2nd rounders, and 3rd rounder this year...this defense is old and needs a serious overhaul...problem is the offense will now need it as well. We need a starting QB, TE, at least 2 more WR that can actually play, we decided to dump Chambers without any back up plan, brilliant. And we now probably need a RB because Ronnie Brown blows out his knee trying to make a tackle on a stupid interception thrown by Aunt Cleo.

This team is a mess, and not often is a coach fired after 1 year, but this team was competitive last seaosn and the year before under Nick Saban...what happened? Same assistant coaches are on board...maybe the leadership is to blame form the the top with Wayne all the way down to the Head Coach. perhaps that is true but we can't fire an owner...we can choose not to buy his product and I encourage the fans to not go to anymore games. What is left to see? Ronnie Brown was worth the price of admission for a few weeks, but now the offense represents something fans would see in the 3rd quarter of a preseason football game.

I know SD faithful will stick up for Cam, and maybe some diehard Miami fans too...this is a total rant thread, no doubt about it, try and keep it above the belt boys.

 

[turkishkamel]

havent seen much of the dolphins, but was (un)lucky enough to catch Cam's tenure while down at IU. horrible head coach, terrible game manager. wasted one heck of an explosive talent in Antwaan Randle El. i've been on board the Cam Cameron sucks wagon for almost 10 yrs now, welcome.

 

[enfuego]

 

[ooofffaaa]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

 

[Da Guru]

First off I live down in Miami, grew up a Dolphins fan, very painful to watch the Dolphins sink this far, and the Ronnie Brown injury is more painful than any of the local dumb dumb radio hosts are allowing people to believe. Jim Mandich yesterday literally said that knee injuries are not as bad as they used to be...a torn ACL is a 1-2 year process to get back to 100%, that's a fact. No one bounces back and leads the league in rushing the next season...now Miami has to possibly address the same position that they spent a #2 pick in the draft on. But I want to focus on Cam Cameron for a minute. Because he helped put this mess together. He didn't want Culpepper, no no no, he had to go out and basically tell Trent Green while he was employed with KC that he wanted him to come over to Miami. Knowing full well he had a severe concussion and was 37 going into this season. Jason Taylor openly talked about Green being able to make it thru the season before it began...he was criticized but boy was he right on. So knowing Trent Green was a shaky play at QB, they run Culpepper out of here for nothing after Miami signed him the year before. They just cut him. He only rolls into town and scores 5 TD against them, but lets not even go there. So our back up is Cleo Lemon...CLEO LEMON!!! This guy should not be starting in the NFL. Stop looking at it form a FF perspective, this guy is not an NFL caliber QB...back up at best and I would not rate him as one of the better back ups in football. Cam had to know there was a distinct possibility that Lemon would be thrust into the line up. ANd instead of taking Brady Quinn, who had a lot of pre NFL experience studying under CHarlie Weiss and might have been able to start, instead this bozo presses for Teddy Ginn who has done nothing(talk more about that in a minute), and then takes a project by the name of John Beck in the 2nd round. Now maybe Beck will pan out but I have a feeling that given his age(26 already), given the fact the Phins stink so bad and Beck is not playing at all, given the fact they can't even script 10-15 plays for him to at last get into the game, I just have a bad feeling that Beck is not the QB of the future for Miami. 'Now Cam didn't sign FA like Joey "Can I get a paycheck for nothing" Porter, however he should have had some clue just how bad this Miami secondary was and told ownership that he needed help. Also would have been a good idea to maybe address that in the draft instead of spending the #9 overall pick on a Kick Return specialist. Let's talk about Ginn because what I have seen so far is not very exciting. He was somehow overthrown on a long ball this past weekend by Cleo Lemon who does not have a big arm...we're talking 50 yds down the field and it looked like he could have made an attempt had he either laid out or turned on the jets...didn't look like he was running full speed, WTH? I don't need to see too many of Cam's drafts as all he did was address offense with the 1st round and (2) 2nd rounders, and 3rd rounder this year...this defense is old and needs a serious overhaul...problem is the offense will now need it as well. We need a starting QB, TE, at least 2 more WR that can actually play, we decided to dump Chambers without any back up plan, brilliant. And we now probably need a RB because Ronnie Brown blows out his knee trying to make a tackle on a stupid interception thrown by Aunt Cleo.This team is a mess, and not often is a coach fired after 1 year, but this team was competitive last seaosn and the year before under Nick Saban...what happened? Same assistant coaches are on board...maybe the leadership is to blame form the the top with Wayne all the way down to the Head Coach. perhaps that is true but we can't fire an owner...we can choose not to buy his product and I encourage the fans to not go to anymore games. What is left to see? Ronnie Brown was worth the price of admission for a few weeks, but now the offense represents something fans would see in the 3rd quarter of a preseason football game.I know SD faithful will stick up for Cam, and maybe some diehard Miami fans too...this is a total rant thread, no doubt about it, try and keep it above the belt boys.

I do not like Cam at all, but Culpepper is not the awswer. C-Pep ran a couple of short ones in against Miami, but he is a shell of his former self.

 

[faux_bear]

I'm ambivalent about this issue. For starters, I think Capers definitely has to go. He has done nothing with the defense.

But as for whether Cameron should stay or go, I'm not sure. Part of me just wishes Heizenga would do a complete overhaul of the management of the team, from Randy Mueller to Cam Cameron, but I'd hope he wouldn't just replace guys just to replace them. If a coach like Bill Cowher shows interest in the job, I'd hope Heizenga would give it to him. But to replace Cameron with just anybody else wouldn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me.

Needless to say though, I'm expecting the biggest overhaul of Dolphins personnel in the history of the organization, whether it's players, coaches, management, or all of the above.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

Understood.We need some consistancy. Who do you think they should bring in?

 

[Thorpe]

It's a tough call. On the one hand, you want to give a guy 3 to 5 years, to get his schemes in place and to get players on the roster that can play the schemes. But, if you know a coach is an idiot after year 1, and you still give him 4 years, then you are looking at 6 years before you have a good team (3 more years of the bad coach, then 3 years for the good coach to turn around the team). Bills went through this with Gregg Williams and Mularkey. Williams is a good coordinator who can't be a head coach. Mularkey is just a fraud (IMO). So that was 6 wasted years, and now hopefully Jauran will get it done.

 

[shake zula]

Huge Fins fan...

But the sad thing is I could care less who coaches the team.

 

[Aaronstory]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Not true. He interviewed to be the Head Coach. All the players wanted him to have the job. But the owner (who IS the problem, BTW) HAD to have Saban. Owners need to realize they don't know what the hell they are doing and let football people handle the football stuff.

 

[raven1911]

I am a phins fan as well for the last 20 years or so and am getting to the point of moving on to another team. I really see this season as an all time low for the dolphins. We have known for a long time that the defense was getting old and needs to be overhauled, but I think Cam didn't know what he was getting into when he signed. Miami needs everything and its going to take probably the next couple years to find players to rebuild this team. I believe Cam has thrown in the towel this season and is starting to look at the draft for next season, which is why Chambers was traded. R.Brown injury is just an unforeseen, unfortunate injury to the team. I think with some experience Ginn can be a good WR, but I do agree they should not have selected him in the first round. We need CB, WR, QB, and some younger LB's. That is a lot of players to get in a year. I might just be routing for another team soon.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I am a phins fan as well for the last 20 years or so and am getting to the point of moving on to another team. I really see this season as an all time low for the dolphins. We have known for a long time that the defense was getting old and needs to be overhauled, but I think Cam didn't know what he was getting into when he signed. Miami needs everything and its going to take probably the next couple years to find players to rebuild this team. I believe Cam has thrown in the towel this season and is starting to look at the draft for next season, which is why Chambers was traded. R.Brown injury is just an unforeseen, unfortunate injury to the team. I think with some experience Ginn can be a good WR, but I do agree they should not have selected him in the first round. We need CB, WR, QB, and some younger LB's. That is a lot of players to get in a year. I might just be routing for another team soon.

I could never do that.Right now is the absolute low point for Dolphin fans but how do you jump ship like that? Do you already have a new team picked out?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Anyone know what their cap situation is for next season?I found this from a random google search (no link)

According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents.

I've heard that number in a couple places, so it must be halfway reliable.

 

[stanmarino13]

Lemon has always reminded me of Spray Mucas, not a horrible backup but definately not a starter...IMO i thought we did great to get a 2nd rounder for Chambers and dump his salary...Chambers really is too unreliable and we needed to get the young guys in there seeing as how thats the direction we are goin. Really if u look at why Cam Cameron was brought in it was to help out the offense which he seems to have to some extent, with Ronnie playing well and the oline not doing nearly as bad as i had assumed they would. The biggest dissapointment in Miami has to be the defense. What the hell is wrong with Capers??? Same System as last year..The secondary has been horrible this year and wasnt great last year, alot of this seems to be tied into Y. Bell going down for the year. With the D coming into the year a top 10 D and adding Porter(no matter what u might say about him hes an upgrade over Spragan) things looked to be goin in the right direction. Since Bell's injury the Fins D has been horrible. Add in some other injuries and the letting go of depth along the Dline and the fins have been in alot of trouble. Its easy to want to pull the plug now, but Saban wasnt much better choosing Cpepp over Brees(Cpepp costing the Fins a 2nd rd pick and money while Brees would have just been money), Jason Allen in the first round, and really not doing much at all for the fins oline. I would like to see Beck in there ASAP, and i agree with an above poster we need to give the current regime some time. The only way i would want to give up on the curent regime would be to grab Cowher or Parcells(rumoured to want a GM job) which probably isnt happening. Hopefully theres some good things that happen with the rest of the season cause as a fins fan this is getting tougher and tougher to watch.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Anyone know what their cap situation is for next season?

I found this from a random google search (no link)

According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents.

I've heard that number in a couple places, so it must be halfway reliable.

"They will have three picks in the first two rounds of April's draft, and they will enter the offseason with more than $20 million in cap space.According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents."

Got that from here . . .

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/279030.html

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

You make a great case for the current head coach being the problem.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Anyone know what their cap situation is for next season?

I found this from a random google search (no link)

According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents.

I've heard that number in a couple places, so it must be halfway reliable.

"They will have three picks in the first two rounds of April's draft, and they will enter the offseason with more than $20 million in cap space.According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents."

Got that from here . . .

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/279030.html

Is $20m a lot? I wonder where the other teams will be.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

Understood.We need some consistancy. Who do you think they should bring in?

This team neds to make a big time deal with a proven NFL coach...shortlist would be Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer(Yes), someone that can turn around a team. Cause we are sorry, and we're going to be sorry for a long time...but if we had a proven NFL coach, the fans could at least know that things will evenetually get better....Cam should not be leading this group IMO.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Not true. He interviewed to be the Head Coach. All the players wanted him to have the job. But the owner (who IS the problem, BTW) HAD to have Saban. Owners need to realize they don't know what the hell they are doing and let football people handle the football stuff.

That's fine but he wasn't fired, he just took over after Wanny was fired...Jim Bates not being here is not the source of the problem for Miami.

 

[J R]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

Understood.We need some consistancy. Who do you think they should bring in?

This team neds to make a big time deal with a proven NFL coach...shortlist would be Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer(Yes), someone that can turn around a team. Cause we are sorry, and we're going to be sorry for a long time...but if we had a proven NFL coach, the fans could at least know that things will evenetually get better....Cam should not be leading this group IMO.

I totally hear what you're saying MOP but I just don't see it happening.If they bring Marty in next year - how long until he turns things around? 2 years? 3 years? By that time Marty will be 92 years old. And if he goes 4-12 his first year do we fire Marty after 1 year?

Would love to have Cowher but who knows if he's coming.

I think the HAVE to give Cam another draft and another year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone know what their cap situation is for next season?I found this from a random google search (no link)

According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents.

I've heard that number in a couple places, so it must be halfway reliable.

They could free up space by sending Porter on his way, Zach and Jason Taylor are beloved down here but they need to have a chance to go to a playoff caliber team. All of this would free up more cap room...I also think Chambers $5 million is likely not factored into that number above. Even if Miami is $50 million under the cap...SO? They have been trying to sign vets and win with them for years...doesn't work. They need 4-5 years of solid drafts or it's going to be the same thing over and over again.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

You make a great case for the current head coach being the problem.

Bob, he is part of the problem. The fact he couldn't tell what kind of team this was going to be and take some precautions means he's a fool. And to waste another 2 years as someone else pointed out...that really puts us back another 5 years if we don't start making some radical changes.

 

[Rooster]

I'm a Dolphins fan, but I wouldn't support firing the RanCam duo just yet. I've questioned a lot of their calls, but I can't point to a single unforgivable call that's 1) been proven to be the wrong call (ie, we don't know if Ginn or Brady was the better pick just yet) or 2) wasn't justifiable. I hated how he was handling Ronnie Brown in the off season. I thought putting the #2 overall pick and the most talented player on an anemic offense on kickoff returns and even thinking about benching him for Chatman was asinine. I was wrong and that's why I'm not an NFL coach. He got the most out of Ronnie Brown and it now seems there was a method to his madness. That alone gives me some leeway with him on other offensive moves. He's taken the same cast and crew Saban had and turned them into the #4 ranked offense by yards and the #9 ranked offense by points. We haven't been that high since the Marino days and Cam Cameron did it with mostly the same players that produced the #29 offense last year.

So he didn't address defense. Who in their right mind would've? We had a top 5 defense last year and we retained the defensive coordinator to ensure that there was some consistency. We also brought in Joey Porter (which, admittedly, was a bit puzzling back then too). Nobody could've predicted how far we've fallen defensively. We've had some unfortunate injuries and some really bad play, but I can't fault anyone for not addressing defense this off season. Offense was our clear problem in the off season and it was addressed nicely. We combine last year's D and this year's O and we're doing pretty well.

People want to blame Cam for trading Wes Welker. We got exceptional value for him and would've otherwise had to pay him a monster contract. I loved the guy's heart before the trade and was proud to have him on my team, but he wasn't worth what the Patriots were offering him at the time and a 2nd and 7th was way too much to pass up. Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.

Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They could free up space by sending Porter on his way, Zach and Jason Taylor are beloved down here but they need to have a chance to go to a playoff caliber team. All of this would free up more cap room...I also think Chambers $5 million is likely not factored into that number above. Even if Miami is $50 million under the cap...SO? They have been trying to sign vets and win with them for years...doesn't work. They need 4-5 years of solid drafts or it's going to be the same thing over and over again.

They've been signing the wrong vets - old, overpriced ones. The Porter signing was a big WTF for me. Paying that much for a guy obviously past his prime was boneheaded.A combination of good drafting AND wise FA moves are needed.

 

[Obie Wan]

Anyone know what their cap situation is for next season?I found this from a random google search (no link)

According to NFL data, Miami is projected to be $31.4 million under the salary cap, which the league expects will be $116 million. But we are told the Dolphins' cap space actually will be closer to $20 million after factoring in incentives and tenders for exclusive and restricted free agents.

I've heard that number in a couple places, so it must be halfway reliable.

They could free up space by sending Porter on his way, Zach and Jason Taylor are beloved down here but they need to have a chance to go to a playoff caliber team. All of this would free up more cap room...I also think Chambers $5 million is likely not factored into that number above. Even if Miami is $50 million under the cap...SO? They have been trying to sign vets and win with them for years...doesn't work. They need 4-5 years of solid drafts or it's going to be the same thing over and over again.

With close to $20 mil guaraneed to Porter, I can;t believe cutting him would not accelerate a ton of eeferred cap hit to 2008.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

Understood.We need some consistancy. Who do you think they should bring in?

This team neds to make a big time deal with a proven NFL coach...shortlist would be Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer(Yes), someone that can turn around a team. Cause we are sorry, and we're going to be sorry for a long time...but if we had a proven NFL coach, the fans could at least know that things will evenetually get better....Cam should not be leading this group IMO.

I totally hear what you're saying MOP but I just don't see it happening.If they bring Marty in next year - how long until he turns things around? 2 years? 3 years? By that time Marty will be 92 years old. And if he goes 4-12 his first year do we fire Marty after 1 year?

Would love to have Cowher but who knows if he's coming.

I think the HAVE to give Cam another draft and another year.

If Marty is hired, it's to build from the ground up. He had to get rid of a lot in SD, and then work with good/great draft picks from AJ. I think Marty and Miami would come out and say they are REBUILDING...don't sugarcoat it. Just tell it like it is, explain there are oing to be some growing pains, and move forward. I would have respect for the Phins if they hired Marty or Cowher and said it is going to take at least 2-3 years before they can likely make a playoff run.As an aside, I am also a Miami Hurricanes fan...and when I was at the GA Tech game 2 weeks ago, fans in the stands were speaking ill of Randy Shannon and I spoke up about how great a job he is actually doing considered what he had to work with and also the recruiting class form hell he is putting together this year. Some amazing WR prospects are coing in this next season. now these fans suddenly shut up and didn't know what to say. My point is i don't just go by record but I liked the SHannon hire because the man has great character and likely has a better chance of grabbing a recruit out of Miami and Florida than Coker ever did. So to me, I want a coach I can get behind, and Cam lost it for a lot of us with the Ted Ginn pick...he was booed on Draft Day and with good reason. he was speechless but it should have sent a clear message of how the fans felt.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

Totally agree with this.John Beck needs to play NOW - so much rides on seeing what they have in him. I really think the Dolphins had a good draft last year. They need to address defense in a BIG way this upcoming draft and FA period.A little off topic but I had no idea this site had as many Dolphin fans as it does.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm a Dolphins fan, but I wouldn't support firing the RanCam duo just yet. I've questioned a lot of their calls, but I can't point to a single unforgivable call that's 1) been proven to be the wrong call (ie, we don't know if Ginn or Brady was the better pick just yet) or 2) wasn't justifiable. I hated how he was handling Ronnie Brown in the off season. I thought putting the #2 overall pick and the most talented player on an anemic offense on kickoff returns and even thinking about benching him for Chatman was asinine. I was wrong and that's why I'm not an NFL coach. He got the most out of Ronnie Brown and it now seems there was a method to his madness. That alone gives me some leeway with him on other offensive moves. He's taken the same cast and crew Saban had and turned them into the #4 ranked offense by yards and the #9 ranked offense by points. We haven't been that high since the Marino days and Cam Cameron did it with mostly the same players that produced the #29 offense last year. So he didn't address defense. Who in their right mind would've? We had a top 5 defense last year and we retained the defensive coordinator to ensure that there was some consistency. We also brought in Joey Porter (which, admittedly, was a bit puzzling back then too). Nobody could've predicted how far we've fallen defensively. We've had some unfortunate injuries and some really bad play, but I can't fault anyone for not addressing defense this off season. Offense was our clear problem in the off season and it was addressed nicely. We combine last year's D and this year's O and we're doing pretty well. People want to blame Cam for trading Wes Welker. We got exceptional value for him and would've otherwise had to pay him a monster contract. I loved the guy's heart before the trade and was proud to have him on my team, but he wasn't worth what the Patriots were offering him at the time and a 2nd and 7th was way too much to pass up. Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years? We traded 2nd round picks for AJ Feely and Lamar Gordon...seriously! Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point. What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season? I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).2. The defense was solid, yes...however they had like 2 interceptions last season, that should have been a major hint that they needed help. They never adequately replaced Madison and Surtain...it wasn't that hard to put the pieces together. Just because they were ranked #5...Cam should have seen the iceberg coming. He had time to get in and look at the team and assess needs. How can the coach get no blame after an 0-7 start??? What planet are people living on? This is the worst start in Miami history going back to 1966 when they were an expansion team.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Here's a list of potential free agents (minus Tony Romo and Jared Allen since I expect them to be re-signed). List courtesy of Footballsfuture.com.

Quarterbacks

Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears

Josh McCown, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Ken Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns

Ryan Fitzpatrick RFA Cincinnati Bengals

Drew Henson UFA Minnesota Vikings

Cleo Lemon UFA Miami Dolphins

Jared Lorenzen UFA New York Giants

Jamie Martin UFA New Orleans Saints

Jim Sorgi UFA Indianapolis Colts

Running Back

Michael Turner, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Jamal Lewis, UFA, Cleveland Browns

Fred Taylor, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Vernand Morency, RFA, Green Bay Packers

Chris Brown, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Julius Jones, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

Cedric Cobbs RFA Denver Broncos

T.J. Duckett UFA Detroit Lions

Justin Fargas UFA Oakland Raiders

Noah Herron RFA Green Bay Packers

Maurice Hicks UFA San Francisco 49ers

Travis Minor UFA St. Louis Rams

Mewelde Moore UFA Minnesota Vikings

Artose Pinner UFA Minnesota Vikings

Musa Smith UFA Baltimore Ravens

Tyson Thompson RFA Dallas Cowboys

LaBrandon Toefield UFA Jacksonville Jaguars

Wide Receivers

Bernard Berrian, UFA, Chicago Bears

Patrick Crayton, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

Bryant Johnson, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Drew Carter, UFA, Carolina Panthers

Antonio Chatman UFA Cincinnati Bengals

Keary Colbert UFA Carolina Panthers

Terrance Copper UFA New Orleans Saints

Andre' Davis UFA Houston Texans

Malcom Floyd RFA San Diego Chargers

Doug Gabriel UFA Oakland Raiders

Justin Gage UFA Tennessee Titans

D.J. Hackett UFA Seattle Seahawks

Az-Zahir Hakim UFA Miami Dolphins

Taylor Jacobs UFA Washington Redskins

Jerome Mathis RFA Houston Texans

Samie Parker UFA Kansas City Chiefs

David Patten UFA New Orleans Saints

Marcus Robinson UFA Detroit Lions

Brandon Stokley UFA Denver Broncos

Tight Ends

L.J. Smith, TE, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Eric Johnson, TE, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Stephen Alexander UFA Denver Broncos

Bryan Fletcher UFA Indianapolis Colts

John Gilmore UFA Chicago Bears

Marcus Pollard UFA Seattle Seahawks

Ben Troupe UFA Tennessee Titans

Jermaine Wiggins UFA Jacksonville Jaguars

Kris Wilson UFA Kansas City Chiefs

O-Linemen

Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears

Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Jake Scott, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons

OG Rick DeMulling UFA Indianapolis Colts

OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns

OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers

OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers

OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers

OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks

OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens

OT Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams

OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens

OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans

OT Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers

D-Line

Simeon Rice, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Justin Smith, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Mike Rucker, UFA, Carolina Panthers

Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Jordan Carstens UFA Carolina Panthers

Ebenezer Ekuban UFA Denver Broncos

Tommy Kelly UFA Oakland Raiders

Sam Rayburn UFA San Francisco 49ers

Mike Rucker UFA Carolina Panthers

Paul Spicer UFA Jacksonville Jaguars

Randy Starks UFA Tennessee Titans

Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins

Linebackers

Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears

Tedy Bruschi, UFA, New England Patriots

Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Demorrio Williams, UFA, Atlanta Falcons

Boss Bailey, UFA, Detroit Lions

Jordan Beck RFA Atlanta Falcons

Kevin Bentley UFA Seattle Seahawks

Darryl Blackstock RFA Arizona Cardinals

Brandon Chillar UFA St. Louis Rams

Danny Clark UFA Houston Texans

Na'il Diggs UFA Carolina Panthers

Landon Johnson UFA Cincinnati Bengals

Teddy Lehman UFA Detroit Lions

Lemar Marshall UFA Washington Redskins

Kawika Mitchell UFA New York Giants

Mark Simoneau UFA New Orleans Saints

Sam Williams UFA Oakland Raiders

D-Back

Asante Samuel, UFA, New England Patriots

Mike Doss, UFA, Minnesota Vikings

Domonique Foxworth, RFA, Denver Broncos

Drayton Florence, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Chris Carr RFA Oakland Raiders

Randall Gay UFA New England Patriots

Tory James UFA New England Patriots

Karl Paymah RFA Denver Broncos

B.J. Sams UFA Baltimore Ravens

Chad Scott UFA New England Patriots

Jordan Babineaux UFA Seattle Seahawks

William Bartee UFA Kansas City Chiefs

Jay Bellamy UFA New Orleans Saints

Omar Stoutmire UFA Washington Redskins

Derrick Strait UFA Carolina Panthers

Gibril Wilson UFA New York Giants

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Now, assume they get the #1 overall, here's what I'd do and who I'd target: (In short - draft defense and acquire free agent offense.)

In free agency:

1. Spend the money on Albert Haynesworth. (Compliment him with the #1 overall draft pick Dorsey.) Sure he's a head case, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

2. Try to sign Rex Grossman. Yes THAT Rex Grossman. Look, there just aren't that many available QBs and if Beck isn't the guy, I just don't like any of the incoming rookies as a cornerstone when so many other areas of the team are so bad. He must still have ties to Florida, plus a chance to start again, and I would think it would be an easy get.

3. Find a FA runningback. I'd look to get either Fred Taylor or Julius Jones. I would think a vet like Taylor would want to stay in Florida. I would NOT target Michael Turner because he'll simply be far too expensive. Mewelde Moore and Chris Brown would be okay fallback plans with the assumption that Brown can contribute.

4. Bryant Johnson would be a great #2 to Booker and a three wide of Booker/Johnson/Ginn could be dangerous. Crayton and Berrian would be expensive.

5. Get one or two offensive linemen. Several good names, but the price may be high.

6. Resist the temptation to overspend on Asante Samuel and the FA linebackers.

Draft

1.1: Glenn Dorsey - Assuming Jason Taylor stays, the front four would be quite good. Getting to the QB would help the poor defensive secondary and allow the 'backers to make plays.

2.1: Draft a cornerback. There are going to be a lot of good corners this year so a good one will almost certainly be available at the top of the 2nd.

2.2?: At the bottom of the 2nd/top of 3rd, go BPA at linebacker and offensive line.

 

[Rooster]

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years?

I'm not ready to throw Cam Cameron to the wolves for Wanny and Saban's mistakes. Since Cam has been hired the Dolphins have been stockpiling draft picks and I like that direction.

Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point.

Miami has an atrocious draft record before Cam arrived. Take a look at Peter King's MMQB column. That sort of drafting has put Cam in a huge hole he has to dig out of. I didn't agree to the Ginn pick last year, I wanted Brady Quinn and if we didn't take Quinn I thought we could've done better. That said, we can't call Ginn a mistake yet. There are plenty of arguments about why he looks like a mistake, but there were plenty of reasons Cam's handling of Ronnie in the preseason looked like a mistake too. That said, even if Ginn is a mistake I'm ok with forgiving it. The rest of the draft seemed solid to me, I know we're down right now but don't make the mistake of blaming Wanny and Saban's mistakes on Cam.

What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season?

Your expectations are too high if you think every draft pick will turn to gold. The point is we have a better than average chance at having a great draft because we have more draft picks to hit on that lottery. We may or may not, I'm excited that we have more lottery tickets personally.

I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

You can't blame Ronnie's injury on Cam. If Cam hadn't come along and Ronnie wasn't injured, we may be having to "shore up" the position anyway. Cam turned Ronnie into a bona fide stud. It sucks that we lost him this year and I'm as afraid as any Dolphin fan at how far that sets this team back, but Ronnie's injury can't factor into whether or not to fire Cam.

2. The defense was solid, yes...however they had like 2 interceptions last season, that should have been a major hint that they needed help. They never adequately replaced Madison and Surtain...it wasn't that hard to put the pieces together. Just because they were ranked #5...Cam should have seen the iceberg coming. He had time to get in and look at the team and assess needs.

I didn't see anyone predicting the defensive fall we had, I can't pin that on Cameron alone. Sometimes things happen that catch you totally by surprise and this caught everyone by surprise. Was it apparent we needed secondary help? Yeah, but we needed help at nearly every offensive position and limited resources with which to procure that help. I can't fault anyone for putting those limited resources into a bottom 3 offense and hoping that the top 5 defense of last year can at least hold the pieces together a bit longer.

How can the coach get no blame after an 0-7 start??? What planet are people living on? This is the worst start in Miami history going back to 1966 when they were an expansion team.

I'm not saying he deserves no blame. I'm also not saying he deserves all or most of the blame. We weren't in a real good position to start with and, minus the record, I have hope that we're moving in the right direction. Cam was brought in to address the offense and he has, wonderfully. He's also shown through his pick stockpiling that his heart is in this thing for the long haul, which is a refreshing change of pace for me at least. He's also shown the offensive genius he was brought here for in his handling of Ronnie Brown. He's got an uphill climb though because some previous coaches opted to mortgage the future in the hopes of turning players who were injured, past their prime, or backups into the stars they needed. I'm tired of coaches that mortgage the future for 9-7, so I'm not going to run the guy out of town who clearly has a long term focus just because he didn't get me my "somewhere around .500" year that I'm used to. I'll trade a couple years at 2-14 for some legitimate shots at having an elite team later. It's painful right now, but it's needed. Cam may or may not be the right guy to do it, but he hasn't proven he isn't yet and I've got enough glimmer of hope to want to see more.

 

[J R]

I'm a Dolphins fan, but I wouldn't support firing the RanCam duo just yet. I've questioned a lot of their calls, but I can't point to a single unforgivable call that's 1) been proven to be the wrong call (ie, we don't know if Ginn or Brady was the better pick just yet) or 2) wasn't justifiable. I hated how he was handling Ronnie Brown in the off season. I thought putting the #2 overall pick and the most talented player on an anemic offense on kickoff returns and even thinking about benching him for Chatman was asinine. I was wrong and that's why I'm not an NFL coach. He got the most out of Ronnie Brown and it now seems there was a method to his madness. That alone gives me some leeway with him on other offensive moves. He's taken the same cast and crew Saban had and turned them into the #4 ranked offense by yards and the #9 ranked offense by points. We haven't been that high since the Marino days and Cam Cameron did it with mostly the same players that produced the #29 offense last year. So he didn't address defense. Who in their right mind would've? We had a top 5 defense last year and we retained the defensive coordinator to ensure that there was some consistency. We also brought in Joey Porter (which, admittedly, was a bit puzzling back then too). Nobody could've predicted how far we've fallen defensively. We've had some unfortunate injuries and some really bad play, but I can't fault anyone for not addressing defense this off season. Offense was our clear problem in the off season and it was addressed nicely. We combine last year's D and this year's O and we're doing pretty well. People want to blame Cam for trading Wes Welker. We got exceptional value for him and would've otherwise had to pay him a monster contract. I loved the guy's heart before the trade and was proud to have him on my team, but he wasn't worth what the Patriots were offering him at the time and a 2nd and 7th was way too much to pass up. Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years? We traded 2nd round picks for AJ Feely and Lamar Gordon...seriously! Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point. What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season? I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

Are the same people that were responsible for Miami's track record of drafting the same people that will be drafting in the next draft? Leaving aside premature evaluations of last year's draft for now, I'm wondering if this is a fair criticism.

 

[Aaronstory]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Not true. He interviewed to be the Head Coach. All the players wanted him to have the job. But the owner (who IS the problem, BTW) HAD to have Saban. Owners need to realize they don't know what the hell they are doing and let football people handle the football stuff.

That's fine but he wasn't fired, he just took over after Wanny was fired...Jim Bates not being here is not the source of the problem for Miami.

But Cameron being there is...?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years?

I'm not ready to throw Cam Cameron to the wolves for Wanny and Saban's mistakes. Since Cam has been hired the Dolphins have been stockpiling draft picks and I like that direction.

Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point.

Miami has an atrocious draft record before Cam arrived. Take a look at Peter King's MMQB column. That sort of drafting has put Cam in a huge hole he has to dig out of. I didn't agree to the Ginn pick last year, I wanted Brady Quinn and if we didn't take Quinn I thought we could've done better. That said, we can't call Ginn a mistake yet. There are plenty of arguments about why he looks like a mistake, but there were plenty of reasons Cam's handling of Ronnie in the preseason looked like a mistake too. That said, even if Ginn is a mistake I'm ok with forgiving it. The rest of the draft seemed solid to me, I know we're down right now but don't make the mistake of blaming Wanny and Saban's mistakes on Cam.

What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season?

Your expectations are too high if you think every draft pick will turn to gold. The point is we have a better than average chance at having a great draft because we have more draft picks to hit on that lottery. We may or may not, I'm excited that we have more lottery tickets personally.

I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

You can't blame Ronnie's injury on Cam. If Cam hadn't come along and Ronnie wasn't injured, we may be having to "shore up" the position anyway. Cam turned Ronnie into a bona fide stud. It sucks that we lost him this year and I'm as afraid as any Dolphin fan at how far that sets this team back, but Ronnie's injury can't factor into whether or not to fire Cam.

2. The defense was solid, yes...however they had like 2 interceptions last season, that should have been a major hint that they needed help. They never adequately replaced Madison and Surtain...it wasn't that hard to put the pieces together. Just because they were ranked #5...Cam should have seen the iceberg coming. He had time to get in and look at the team and assess needs.

I didn't see anyone predicting the defensive fall we had, I can't pin that on Cameron alone. Sometimes things happen that catch you totally by surprise and this caught everyone by surprise. Was it apparent we needed secondary help? Yeah, but we needed help at nearly every offensive position and limited resources with which to procure that help. I can't fault anyone for putting those limited resources into a bottom 3 offense and hoping that the top 5 defense of last year can at least hold the pieces together a bit longer.

How can the coach get no blame after an 0-7 start??? What planet are people living on? This is the worst start in Miami history going back to 1966 when they were an expansion team.

I'm not saying he deserves no blame. I'm also not saying he deserves all or most of the blame. We weren't in a real good position to start with and, minus the record, I have hope that we're moving in the right direction. Cam was brought in to address the offense and he has, wonderfully. He's also shown through his pick stockpiling that his heart is in this thing for the long haul, which is a refreshing change of pace for me at least. He's also shown the offensive genius he was brought here for in his handling of Ronnie Brown. He's got an uphill climb though because some previous coaches opted to mortgage the future in the hopes of turning players who were injured, past their prime, or backups into the stars they needed. I'm tired of coaches that mortgage the future for 9-7, so I'm not going to run the guy out of town who clearly has a long term focus just because he didn't get me my "somewhere around .500" year that I'm used to. I'll trade a couple years at 2-14 for some legitimate shots at having an elite team later. It's painful right now, but it's needed. Cam may or may not be the right guy to do it, but he hasn't proven he isn't yet and I've got enough glimmer of hope to want to see more.

First off Rooster, I think we may have to knickname you either Wayne Huizenga Jr or the MT of the Miami Dolphins...that's some awesome spin you got there...the Dolphins would be smart in hiring you.Seriously, the last comment you made about it being painful now...what's painful is that Cle Lemon, Marty Booker, Jesse CHatman, Martin/Peele, those guys are likely not the future for Miami...so this season is not in anyways part of the rebuilding effort. Look at the defense...you think #44 af Safety is going to be there next season? Zach and Jason Taylor? Anything in the Secondary? They are rebuilding and they can't even get started. That's why this is even more painful. Give me a bunch of kids, fine, but what they have right now...80% of it won't be on the roster in 2-3 seasons I promise you.

 

[mad sweeney]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

I think that's where things went wrong. Bates stepped up and did well with the team and was very much liked by the team, particularly the D. They decided not to give him the job and go for the sexy pick in Saban, whose loyalty was already a question. Bates doesn't want to be demoted after doing a good job and getting hosed out of the opportunity to build on it. Now I know he interviewed for a few HC jobs and didn't get them so he might not be HC material. I don't know if Bates would've been a good coach for them but he would've been cheaper and if they didn't like him they could get rid of him and start over, which they had to anyways. Anyways, I'm by no means a Dolphin fan but I thought they made a big mistake when they chose to let Bates go over giving him a shot to continue the good work he'd started filling in for Wanny.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Now, assume they get the #1 overall, here's what I'd do and who I'd target: (In short - draft defense and acquire free agent offense.)

In free agency:

1. Spend the money on Albert Haynesworth. (Compliment him with the #1 overall draft pick Dorsey.) Sure he's a head case, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

This is a fantastic idea. They must get better form the inside out and they never really replaced Tim Bowens so let's do this. Problem is haynesworth might want to go play for a real team that will still give him a boatload of money. I like the Dorsey kid form LSU, but DT with the #1 pick in the draft...not a great track history off the top of my head. I think they should try and trade down to the #5 or #7 pick and pick up another 2nd round pick if they can or another later 1st round pick.

2. Try to sign Rex Grossman. Yes THAT Rex Grossman. Look, there just aren't that many available QBs and if Beck isn't the guy, I just don't like any of the incoming rookies as a cornerstone when so many other areas of the team are so bad. He must still have ties to Florida, plus a chance to start again, and I would think it would be an easy get.

This is a terrible idea

3. Find a FA runningback. I'd look to get either Fred Taylor or Julius Jones. I would think a vet like Taylor would want to stay in Florida. I would NOT target Michael Turner because he'll simply be far too expensive. Mewelde Moore and Chris Brown would be okay fallback plans with the assumption that Brown can contribute.

Great idea

4. Bryant Johnson would be a great #2 to Booker and a three wide of Booker/Johnson/Ginn could be dangerous. Crayton and Berrian would be expensive.

I like Bryant Johnson too.

5. Get one or two offensive linemen. Several good names, but the price may be high.

I say draft them if possible. FA OL in Miami don't make it. Gone are the days of Richmond Webb and Keith Simms...we need a couple of those guys. Satelle was a good start in the middle.

6. Resist the temptation to overspend on Asante Samuel and the FA linebackers.

Agree

Draft

1.1: Glenn Dorsey - Assuming Jason Taylor stays, the front four would be quite good. Getting to the QB would help the poor defensive secondary and allow the 'backers to make plays.

2.1: Draft a cornerback. There are going to be a lot of good corners this year so a good one will almost certainly be available at the top of the 2nd.

2.2?: At the bottom of the 2nd/top of 3rd, go BPA at linebacker and offensive line.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm a Dolphins fan, but I wouldn't support firing the RanCam duo just yet. I've questioned a lot of their calls, but I can't point to a single unforgivable call that's 1) been proven to be the wrong call (ie, we don't know if Ginn or Brady was the better pick just yet) or 2) wasn't justifiable. I hated how he was handling Ronnie Brown in the off season. I thought putting the #2 overall pick and the most talented player on an anemic offense on kickoff returns and even thinking about benching him for Chatman was asinine. I was wrong and that's why I'm not an NFL coach. He got the most out of Ronnie Brown and it now seems there was a method to his madness. That alone gives me some leeway with him on other offensive moves. He's taken the same cast and crew Saban had and turned them into the #4 ranked offense by yards and the #9 ranked offense by points. We haven't been that high since the Marino days and Cam Cameron did it with mostly the same players that produced the #29 offense last year. So he didn't address defense. Who in their right mind would've? We had a top 5 defense last year and we retained the defensive coordinator to ensure that there was some consistency. We also brought in Joey Porter (which, admittedly, was a bit puzzling back then too). Nobody could've predicted how far we've fallen defensively. We've had some unfortunate injuries and some really bad play, but I can't fault anyone for not addressing defense this off season. Offense was our clear problem in the off season and it was addressed nicely. We combine last year's D and this year's O and we're doing pretty well. People want to blame Cam for trading Wes Welker. We got exceptional value for him and would've otherwise had to pay him a monster contract. I loved the guy's heart before the trade and was proud to have him on my team, but he wasn't worth what the Patriots were offering him at the time and a 2nd and 7th was way too much to pass up. Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years? We traded 2nd round picks for AJ Feely and Lamar Gordon...seriously! Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point. What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season? I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

Are the same people that were responsible for Miami's track record of drafting the same people that will be drafting in the next draft? Leaving aside premature evaluations of last year's draft for now, I'm wondering if this is a fair criticism.

The coach was booed and heckled off stage for good reason. Fans know that this was a stupid move and a luxury for a team that needed to get better and tougher from the inside out. Chambers and Booker would have been fine, the drafty was so deep at WR...they could have grabbed Quinn and gotten numerous WR in the 2nd round...or they could have done so many things and they laid an egg. WR take 2-3 years to develop if they develop at all...Ginn was/is a project and doesn't run routes well...we don't have to wait till 2015 to decide if he was the right pick...he wasn't.

 

[ooofffaaa]

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years?

I'm not ready to throw Cam Cameron to the wolves for Wanny and Saban's mistakes. Since Cam has been hired the Dolphins have been stockpiling draft picks and I like that direction.

Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point.

Miami has an atrocious draft record before Cam arrived. Take a look at Peter King's MMQB column. That sort of drafting has put Cam in a huge hole he has to dig out of. I didn't agree to the Ginn pick last year, I wanted Brady Quinn and if we didn't take Quinn I thought we could've done better. That said, we can't call Ginn a mistake yet. There are plenty of arguments about why he looks like a mistake, but there were plenty of reasons Cam's handling of Ronnie in the preseason looked like a mistake too. That said, even if Ginn is a mistake I'm ok with forgiving it. The rest of the draft seemed solid to me, I know we're down right now but don't make the mistake of blaming Wanny and Saban's mistakes on Cam.

What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season?

Your expectations are too high if you think every draft pick will turn to gold. The point is we have a better than average chance at having a great draft because we have more draft picks to hit on that lottery. We may or may not, I'm excited that we have more lottery tickets personally.

I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

You can't blame Ronnie's injury on Cam. If Cam hadn't come along and Ronnie wasn't injured, we may be having to "shore up" the position anyway. Cam turned Ronnie into a bona fide stud. It sucks that we lost him this year and I'm as afraid as any Dolphin fan at how far that sets this team back, but Ronnie's injury can't factor into whether or not to fire Cam.

2. The defense was solid, yes...however they had like 2 interceptions last season, that should have been a major hint that they needed help. They never adequately replaced Madison and Surtain...it wasn't that hard to put the pieces together. Just because they were ranked #5...Cam should have seen the iceberg coming. He had time to get in and look at the team and assess needs.

I didn't see anyone predicting the defensive fall we had, I can't pin that on Cameron alone. Sometimes things happen that catch you totally by surprise and this caught everyone by surprise. Was it apparent we needed secondary help? Yeah, but we needed help at nearly every offensive position and limited resources with which to procure that help. I can't fault anyone for putting those limited resources into a bottom 3 offense and hoping that the top 5 defense of last year can at least hold the pieces together a bit longer.

How can the coach get no blame after an 0-7 start??? What planet are people living on? This is the worst start in Miami history going back to 1966 when they were an expansion team.

I'm not saying he deserves no blame. I'm also not saying he deserves all or most of the blame. We weren't in a real good position to start with and, minus the record, I have hope that we're moving in the right direction. Cam was brought in to address the offense and he has, wonderfully. He's also shown through his pick stockpiling that his heart is in this thing for the long haul, which is a refreshing change of pace for me at least. He's also shown the offensive genius he was brought here for in his handling of Ronnie Brown. He's got an uphill climb though because some previous coaches opted to mortgage the future in the hopes of turning players who were injured, past their prime, or backups into the stars they needed. I'm tired of coaches that mortgage the future for 9-7, so I'm not going to run the guy out of town who clearly has a long term focus just because he didn't get me my "somewhere around .500" year that I'm used to. I'll trade a couple years at 2-14 for some legitimate shots at having an elite team later. It's painful right now, but it's needed. Cam may or may not be the right guy to do it, but he hasn't proven he isn't yet and I've got enough glimmer of hope to want to see more.

First off Rooster, I think we may have to knickname you either Wayne Huizenga Jr or the MT of the Miami Dolphins...that's some awesome spin you got there...the Dolphins would be smart in hiring you.Seriously, the last comment you made about it being painful now...what's painful is that Cle Lemon, Marty Booker, Jesse CHatman, Martin/Peele, those guys are likely not the future for Miami...so this season is not in anyways part of the rebuilding effort. Look at the defense...you think #44 af Safety is going to be there next season? Zach and Jason Taylor? Anything in the Secondary? They are rebuilding and they can't even get started. That's why this is even more painful. Give me a bunch of kids, fine, but what they have right now...80% of it won't be on the roster in 2-3 seasons I promise you.

I was just as frustrated & pissed off as you a few weeks ago MOP - I think now I'm just numb.We are the laughing stock of the NFL. The new Lions and it sucks.I'm trying to be realistic. Cowher is a pipe dream.I think the FIRST signal of Miami admitting they are rebuilding was the Chambers trade. Do you want them to come out and actually say it? They are finally doing what they should have done when Wannstadt left - acquiring draft picks.And in all honesty - how much longer will the Patriots dominate the AFC East? 3-5-7 years? We are not going anywhere for a while anyway - acquire draft picks and build it up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Not true. He interviewed to be the Head Coach. All the players wanted him to have the job. But the owner (who IS the problem, BTW) HAD to have Saban. Owners need to realize they don't know what the hell they are doing and let football people handle the football stuff.

That's fine but he wasn't fired, he just took over after Wanny was fired...Jim Bates not being here is not the source of the problem for Miami.

But Cameron being there is...?

Absolutely. Did you read the OP? If you read that and can debate from the OP than we have something more to talk about than just emoticons back and forth.Cam brought in Trent Green...Jason Taylor openly questioned this move and we see how it turned out...severe concussion last year, out of football premanently this year. That is what CC wanted to go with and had to know that using Cleo Lemon was a distinct possibility. Why was Miami not in on the Schaub bonanza? Did Cam think Trent Green could hold the job down for 2-3 seasons while a 26 yr old rookie, Beck, was being brought along?

You can't give Cam a free pass for everything.

 

[Rooster]

First off Rooster, I think we may have to knickname you either Wayne Huizenga Jr or the MT of the Miami Dolphins...that's some awesome spin you got there...the Dolphins would be smart in hiring you.Seriously, the last comment you made about it being painful now...what's painful is that Cle Lemon, Marty Booker, Jesse CHatman, Martin/Peele, those guys are likely not the future for Miami...so this season is not in anyways part of the rebuilding effort. Look at the defense...you think #44 af Safety is going to be there next season? Zach and Jason Taylor? Anything in the Secondary? They are rebuilding and they can't even get started. That's why this is even more painful. Give me a bunch of kids, fine, but what they have right now...80% of it won't be on the roster in 2-3 seasons I promise you.

I'd love to see the young guys, especially Beck. Part of me says we need to throw him out there and 1) take advantage of all that maturity everyone was touting in the draft and 2) see if we see enough in him to pass up a potential franchise quarterback in the top 3 this year. That said, part of me thinks that we may permanently damage the psyche of a young QB ala David Carr in Houston by putting him out there right now, that's the only reason I can think Cam is holding back unless he's just not ready (which would worry me even more). That said, I still lean towards "put him in and lets see what we have" but I'd probably wait till after the bye.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Now, assume they get the #1 overall, here's what I'd do and who I'd target: (In short - draft defense and acquire free agent offense.)

In free agency:

1. Spend the money on Albert Haynesworth. (Compliment him with the #1 overall draft pick Dorsey.) Sure he's a head case, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

This is a fantastic idea. They must get better form the inside out and they never really replaced Tim Bowens so let's do this. Problem is haynesworth might want to go play for a real team that will still give him a boatload of money. I like the Dorsey kid form LSU, but DT with the #1 pick in the draft...not a great track history off the top of my head. I think they should try and trade down to the #5 or #7 pick and pick up another 2nd round pick if they can or another later 1st round pick.

2. Try to sign Rex Grossman. Yes THAT Rex Grossman. Look, there just aren't that many available QBs and if Beck isn't the guy, I just don't like any of the incoming rookies as a cornerstone when so many other areas of the team are so bad. He must still have ties to Florida, plus a chance to start again, and I would think it would be an easy get.

This is a terrible idea

3. Find a FA runningback. I'd look to get either Fred Taylor or Julius Jones. I would think a vet like Taylor would want to stay in Florida. I would NOT target Michael Turner because he'll simply be far too expensive. Mewelde Moore and Chris Brown would be okay fallback plans with the assumption that Brown can contribute.

Great idea

4. Bryant Johnson would be a great #2 to Booker and a three wide of Booker/Johnson/Ginn could be dangerous. Crayton and Berrian would be expensive.

I like Bryant Johnson too.

5. Get one or two offensive linemen. Several good names, but the price may be high.

I say draft them if possible. FA OL in Miami don't make it. Gone are the days of Richmond Webb and Keith Simms...we need a couple of those guys. Satelle was a good start in the middle.

6. Resist the temptation to overspend on Asante Samuel and the FA linebackers.

Agree

Draft

1.1: Glenn Dorsey - Assuming Jason Taylor stays, the front four would be quite good. Getting to the QB would help the poor defensive secondary and allow the 'backers to make plays.

2.1: Draft a cornerback. There are going to be a lot of good corners this year so a good one will almost certainly be available at the top of the 2nd.

2.2?: At the bottom of the 2nd/top of 3rd, go BPA at linebacker and offensive line.

Not much precedent for DTs going #1 overall. There's only Dan Wilkinson in '94 and Russell Maryland in '91.I'm not sure I'd drop out of that #1/#2 spot since either of Dorsey or Jake Long will help out tremendously.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been a Dolphin fan since the Killer B days.

How many times are we going to replace the Head Coach? I think a big part of the current problem is all the turnover we've had a head coach. Seems like players are learning new systems each and every year.

I thought they had a very good draft last year. Every player drafted made the team.

John Beck needs to play right NOW to see what they have. How do you know he will not be an NFL QB without even giving him a chance?

The defense got old fast - and our secondary is the worst I've ever seen.

It's painful to watch right now but I think they gotta give Cameron at least another year.

Jimmy Johnson quitDave Wanndstedt was a big big mistake

Jim Bates took over and then left at the end of that season

Nick Saban left

Now we have Cam Cameron...we only fired Wanny.

I think that's where things went wrong. Bates stepped up and did well with the team and was very much liked by the team, particularly the D. They decided not to give him the job and go for the sexy pick in Saban, whose loyalty was already a question. Bates doesn't want to be demoted after doing a good job and getting hosed out of the opportunity to build on it. Now I know he interviewed for a few HC jobs and didn't get them so he might not be HC material. I don't know if Bates would've been a good coach for them but he would've been cheaper and if they didn't like him they could get rid of him and start over, which they had to anyways. Anyways, I'm by no means a Dolphin fan but I thought they made a big mistake when they chose to let Bates go over giving him a shot to continue the good work he'd started filling in for Wanny.

1. Bates has never been a HC, wasn't given a HC position anywhere after he left here...Miami was not obligated to give him anything. He was the DC during the Wanny era, good for him but that is going on 3 years ago...Jim Bates has nothing to do with the personnel Miami has on their roster at this point. He just finished out the season, if you want to say that Miami should have kept him that's fine but it's really a moot point in where they are at now. It's evidence that Miami's owner is an idiot, yes, but we can't pin the Miami Dolphins dilema in 2007 on the Jim Bates no being the HC, c'mon now. They weren't that good when he was running the team. 2. Saban was looked at as a possible guy to come in and turn things around...and he did get them winning at the end of 2005...didn't they win the last 6 or 7 games IIRC? Things looked like they would get turned around...unfortunately they didn't. And grabbing Culpepper instead of Drew Brees was likely the worst move the Miami Dolphins have made in the last several years...and a lot of wasted draft picks...that's why they stink.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I certainly wont speak up for Cam. He's horrible, but dont the Dolphins have a GM in charge of most personel decisions, or what the Ginn/Beck thing his doing?

Cam is a decent OC but I think HC is way above his head.

 

[SwampDawg]

Ok, long time Miami fan here (Since the Griese, Strock, Woodley days). I agree with a little of what all of you are saying. First I think you need to give Cam and Randy at least one more year and see where we go. Yes Cam is the head coach but they kept Capers on to run the defense and I have to think Cam relied on his opinion that they would be ok there. If a coach has to go it is Capers, get the former Chicago D coordinator Rivera who is stuck in San Diego as a linebacker coach. The offense has improved and Ronnie was looking like the #2 overall pick should before the injury.

I to disagree with the Ginn pick (I was at the ESPN zone in NYC for the draft and booed like crazy) but that is done and if Beck pans out then no one will remember. Cleo is worthless to me, but at this point let him get pummeled this week and then come back with Beck after the bye and tell him it is his team if he can show signs over the rest of season, if not draft a QB and be done with it. My preference is that he works out. If so I target (obviously you won't get them all):

Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans - DT, this team needs some attitude on the D-line

Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers - RT, the line is improved this year but young talented guys like this don't hit the market every year, lock him up and be set.

Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens - DE/LB, Jason Taylor's replacement, trade JT to a contender to free up salary cap and get younger.

Asante Samuel, UFA, New England Patriots - CB, only top notch CB available

If Ronnie isn't back look for a RB, as someone said a Fred Taylor or Julius Jones would be a good fit.

The number one pick is almost a negative, hard to trade out of and probably going to over pay. Dorsey or the big LT from Michigan (Jake Long) would help build either line for the future. LB and CB are also needed.

 

[identikit]

havent seen much of the dolphins, but was (un)lucky enough to catch Cam's tenure while down at IU. horrible head coach, terrible game manager. wasted one heck of an explosive talent in Antwaan Randle El. i've been on board the Cam Cameron sucks wagon for almost 10 yrs now, welcome.

Amen to all of this...I was an unlucky witness to the Cam debacle here at IU as well...Id

 

[J R]

I'm a Dolphins fan, but I wouldn't support firing the RanCam duo just yet. I've questioned a lot of their calls, but I can't point to a single unforgivable call that's 1) been proven to be the wrong call (ie, we don't know if Ginn or Brady was the better pick just yet) or 2) wasn't justifiable. I hated how he was handling Ronnie Brown in the off season. I thought putting the #2 overall pick and the most talented player on an anemic offense on kickoff returns and even thinking about benching him for Chatman was asinine. I was wrong and that's why I'm not an NFL coach. He got the most out of Ronnie Brown and it now seems there was a method to his madness. That alone gives me some leeway with him on other offensive moves. He's taken the same cast and crew Saban had and turned them into the #4 ranked offense by yards and the #9 ranked offense by points. We haven't been that high since the Marino days and Cam Cameron did it with mostly the same players that produced the #29 offense last year. So he didn't address defense. Who in their right mind would've? We had a top 5 defense last year and we retained the defensive coordinator to ensure that there was some consistency. We also brought in Joey Porter (which, admittedly, was a bit puzzling back then too). Nobody could've predicted how far we've fallen defensively. We've had some unfortunate injuries and some really bad play, but I can't fault anyone for not addressing defense this off season. Offense was our clear problem in the off season and it was addressed nicely. We combine last year's D and this year's O and we're doing pretty well. People want to blame Cam for trading Wes Welker. We got exceptional value for him and would've otherwise had to pay him a monster contract. I loved the guy's heart before the trade and was proud to have him on my team, but he wasn't worth what the Patriots were offering him at the time and a 2nd and 7th was way too much to pass up. Let's not forget that Welker turned into Satelee and even with 20/20 hindsight I wouldn't trade Satelee for Welker straight up. Speaking of, I think the pick stockpiling we're doing is outstanding and sure to help our rebuilding process. I don't like spending the pick on Green (or getting Green at all for that matter), but we're still way ahead in the draft pick game which is a nice change from our last couple coaches.Do I like how the season is going? Hell no. Does Cam have his faults? Yes. Has he done enough right to prove to me that he deserves another season or two to right the ship and show more progress? Absolutely.

1. Stockpile of draft picks? Have you seen the Miami track record over the past 5 years? We traded 2nd round picks for AJ Feely and Lamar Gordon...seriously! Miami wouldn't know what to do in the draft even if they pulled a Hershel Walker deal with the Vikings. Tedd Ginn was a mistake that high in the draft, the guy cannot run routes, what good is speed in the NFL if you can't run a route? He is best suited as a WR3 in the slot...so they are still 2 down at WR in my mind. The Miami DOlphins have been so awful in drafting the past several years, that's what got them to this point. What makes you think they will turn the Chambers pick into gold next season? I like Satelle too but now they don't have a stud running behind him and brown might not be ready next season either...now they have to go out and shore up their RB position likely. Not sold on Chatman/Booker(inactive some weeks).

Are the same people that were responsible for Miami's track record of drafting the same people that will be drafting in the next draft? Leaving aside premature evaluations of last year's draft for now, I'm wondering if this is a fair criticism.

The coach was booed and heckled off stage for good reason. Fans know that this was a stupid move and a luxury for a team that needed to get better and tougher from the inside out. Chambers and Booker would have been fine, the drafty was so deep at WR...they could have grabbed Quinn and gotten numerous WR in the 2nd round...or they could have done so many things and they laid an egg. WR take 2-3 years to develop if they develop at all...Ginn was/is a project and doesn't run routes well...we don't have to wait till 2015 to decide if he was the right pick...he wasn't.

that doesn't answer my question.edit to add: never mind, i just read rooster's long post, which answered it pretty well. great stuff btw, rooster.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

that doesn't answer my question.

This thread is about Cam Cameron, not Randy Mueller...we can discuss him too though. Cam tried to tell the entire crowd of people how much they were going to like Ted Ginn...never seen a coach have to explain themselves the way he did. People that show up on draft day IMO have a slightly higher IQ over the fan that just sits around drinking beer on Sundays on the couch...the real diehards usually turn up at the drafts and they have some clue what is going on. And they were not fooled for one second with that pick, it was a disgraceful pick. What has Ginn done so far this year? has he even scored a TD yet?2 rushes for 4 yds15 targets producing 6 catches for 120 yds thru 7 games...#9 pick in the 2007 draft...WooHoo!!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

that doesn't answer my question.

This thread is about Cam Cameron, not Randy Mueller...we can discuss him too though. Cam tried to tell the entire crowd of people how much they were going to like Ted Ginn...never seen a coach have to explain themselves the way he did. People that show up on draft day IMO have a slightly higher IQ over the fan that just sits around drinking beer on Sundays on the couch...the real diehards usually turn up at the drafts and they have some clue what is going on. And they were not fooled for one second with that pick, it was a disgraceful pick. What has Ginn done so far this year? has he even scored a TD yet?2 rushes for 4 yds15 targets producing 6 catches for 120 yds thru 7 games...#9 pick in the 2007 draft...WooHoo!!!

There are a lot of rookies that haven't done much yet.Take a breath, GB.