Why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

As a guy who is neither a Pitt fan nor a Cards fan, I have to say that the last minute of the game was pretty weak. First, Santonio's touchdown was beautiful. So was the celebration where he pretended to be Lebron James where he used the ball as a prop. 15 yards right? Nope.

Also, was that last play reviewed? It seems like maybe it should have been especially since it was a passing motion. With the penalty at the end, AZ would have had the ball on about the 30.

Weak.

Not unexpected though.

 

[belljr]

As a guy who is neither a Pitt fan nor a Cards fan, I have to say that the last minute of the game was pretty weak. First, Santonio's touchdown was beautiful. So was the celebration where he pretended to be Lebron James where he used the ball as a prop. 15 yards right? Nope.Also, was that last play reviewed? It seems like maybe it should have been especially since it was a passing motion. With the penalty at the end, AZ would have had the ball on about the 30. Weak.Not unexpected though.

would Arz got a penalty for illegal touching or whatever it is... He hit a lineman in the back

 

[AB in DC]

I thought that players are allowed to use the ball as a prop...just can't use anything else.

 

[3C's]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

 

[ratbast]

fumble was reviewed. it wasn't overturned

 

[jonessed]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

Didn't happen. Simply not enough time. He was assuming they would and then the game ended.

 

[Sabertooth]

As a guy who is neither a Pitt fan nor a Cards fan, I have to say that the last minute of the game was pretty weak. First, Santonio's touchdown was beautiful. So was the celebration where he pretended to be Lebron James where he used the ball as a prop. 15 yards right? Nope.Also, was that last play reviewed? It seems like maybe it should have been especially since it was a passing motion. With the penalty at the end, AZ would have had the ball on about the 30. Weak.Not unexpected though.

would Arz got a penalty for illegal touching or whatever it is... He hit a lineman in the back

I think they did away with that rule this season. Actually pretty sure it isn't a penalty anymore.

 

[Kevrunner]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

 

[jurb26]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

It was rather clear that the ball was coming out before the arm was moving forward.

 

[Sabertooth]

I thought that players are allowed to use the ball as a prop...just can't use anything else.

First I've heard that.

 

[Sabertooth]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

 

[Franknbeans]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

extra careful wouldn't have overturned the fumble

 

[jurb26]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

 

[AB in DC]

What exactly is the problem? 30 seconds is plenty of time to look at a play and decide whether to call for a review. I've seen replay reviews called in 10.

 

[jonessed]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Radio announcers said they didn't review the last play.

 

[Hov34]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

 

[Novice2]

Why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop,

Because everyone knows the Steelers are the better team and should win so the refs saw no need in calling such a silly penalty.

Also, why was the last "fumble" not reviewed

As you know now the Steelers were the better team so their was no need to review a fumble that wasn't a fumble but should have been by common sense but by the rules it wasn't so the rules needed to be overlooked to properly come to the correct. conclusion of Steelers ball game over.

 

[Dvorak]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

They only call for a review "upstairs", the reviewing is still done on the field by a ref. If that play, with the Superbowl on the line, did not deserve a proper review, why bother ever?

 

[AB in DC]

I'm about as far from a Steelers fan as anyone, but that was definitely a fumble. He lost control of the ball before his arm went forward. Frankly I'm amazed anyone thinks otherwise...

 

[jurb26]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

I recall seeing it from at least 2 angles so it had to be more than once.

 

[Steeler43]

I don't know why the play wasn't reviewed, maybe it would have been overturned.

 

[jonessed]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

I recall seeing it from at least 2 angles so it had to be more than once.

There was the original shot, the replay, and then Pitt snapped.

 

[big_donkey]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

Inside 2 min the BOOTH looks at every play and determines if they should buzz the ref. The BOOTH looked at it and felt that it was a fumble. Thus the ref was never buzzed to stop play and review it himself.I thought they should of buzzed the ref and had him determine if it was a fumble or not. After looking at it several times, I cant tell for sure.

BUT the BOOTH DID look at it.

 

[3C's]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

you know..the great thing about dvr's is you can go back and look at stuff. NBC showed the fumble 3 times and Michaels said, and I quote "indeed, they looked upstairs and it's confirmed a fumble"

 

[JetMaxx]

So back to the OP's question, why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop? Is that permitted?

 

[jonessed]

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

Inside 2 min the BOOTH looks at every play and determines if they should buzz the ref. The BOOTH looked at it and felt that it was a fumble. Thus the ref was never buzzed to stop play and review it himself.I thought they should of buzzed the ref and had him determine if it was a fumble or not. After looking at it several times, I cant tell for sure.

BUT the BOOTH DID look at it.

Technically they look at everything.

 

[jurb26]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

I recall seeing it from at least 2 angles so it had to be more than once.

There was the original shot, the replay, and then Pitt snapped.

Wrong.

 

[Sabertooth]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Maybe this guy had Tivo?

 

[jurb26]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

you know..the great thing about dvr's is you can go back and look at stuff. NBC showed the fumble 3 times and Michaels said, and I quote "indeed, they looked upstairs and it's confirmed a fumble"

Correct.

 

[jonessed]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

you know..the great thing about dvr's is you can go back and look at stuff. NBC showed the fumble 3 times and Michaels said, and I quote "indeed, they looked upstairs and it's confirmed a fumble"

They replayed it more than once, but the Steelers were already out on the field and snapping the ball after the first replay.

 

[3C's]

So back to the OP's question, why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop? Is that permitted?

Wasn't on the field of play

 

[3C's]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Michaels said the replay booth took a look.

X

you know..the great thing about dvr's is you can go back and look at stuff. NBC showed the fumble 3 times and Michaels said, and I quote "indeed, they looked upstairs and it's confirmed a fumble"

They replayed it more than once, but the Steelers were already out on the field and snapping the ball after the first replay.

Wrong again. Keep trying.

 

[jonessed]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

Come on? Seriously? They had like 30 seconds tops before the Steelers snapped the ball. Wouldn't you think that the waning moments of the biggest game of the season would probably be a good time to be extra careful with the review?

They had 30 seconds but somehow they had enough time to broadcast several replays for all of us to see at home? Come on now. If we all had time to see it several times, I'm sure they did too.

They showed it once.

Maybe this guy had Tivo?

I have it too. There was only time to stop it after the first replay.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

So back to the OP's question, why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop? Is that permitted?

You can use the football as a prop...everytime someone scores the use it...when you spike it, wouldnt that be considered a prop? Or when someone dunks it over the goal post? wouldnt that be considered a prop since they are using it as a basketball?

 

[Chachi]

I'm no Steelers fan, never have been.

Why is there crying over this game? This was the first game in a long time where I didn't see a zebra screw it up. The Steelers won fair and square, the Cardinals put up a very good game too.

It just wouldn't be America if someone wasn't moaning and groaning about something that wasn't true.

 

[jurb26]

I'm no Steelers fan, never have been.Why is there crying over this game? This was the first game in a long time where I didn't see a zebra screw it up. The Steelers won fair and square, the Cardinals put up a very good game too. It just wouldn't be America if someone wasn't moaning and groaning about something that wasn't true.

Traditional post game trolling is all. You just have to get used to it.

 

[bleachercreacher]

I think that they needed to review the play, but I do think it was a fumble. In the last seconds of the Super Bowl I feel that you have to make sure you make the right call.

 

[Sabertooth]

So back to the OP's question, why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop? Is that permitted?

You can use the football as a prop...everytime someone scores the use it...when you spike it, wouldnt that be considered a prop? Or when someone dunks it over the goal post? wouldnt that be considered a prop since they are using it as a basketball?

I thought the rule was put in because of Chad Johnson doing the CPR thing.

 

[Chachi]

I'm no Steelers fan, never have been.Why is there crying over this game? This was the first game in a long time where I didn't see a zebra screw it up. The Steelers won fair and square, the Cardinals put up a very good game too. It just wouldn't be America if someone wasn't moaning and groaning about something that wasn't true.

Traditional post game trolling is all. You just have to get used to it.

Didn't know that, time to log out for the night.

 

[jonessed]

So back to the OP's question, why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop? Is that permitted?

You can use the football as a prop...everytime someone scores the use it...when you spike it, wouldnt that be considered a prop? Or when someone dunks it over the goal post? wouldnt that be considered a prop since they are using it as a basketball?

I thought the rule was put in because of Chad Johnson doing the CPR thing.

I don't think you can do something that appears to be pre-planned.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2389062

Chad Johnson of the Bengals gave CPR to a football after a touchdown, went down on a knee after a touchdown and proposed marriage to a cheerleader and pulled out an end zone pylon and pretended to hit a golf shot with it. Steve Smith of the Panthers did an end zone Snow Angel, went to the ground and did a rowboat celebration and cradled a football like a baby and wiped its bottom as if it needed more diapers.

In a vote of 29-3, the owners gave officials power to penalize a team 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff for excessive celebrations anywhere on the field. Spikes, dunks, Lambeau Leaps, spins, dances and simple celebrations will be allowed. But penalties will be given for any celebration other than that.

 

[AB in DC]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2389062

Chad Johnson of the Bengals gave CPR to a football after a touchdown, went down on a knee after a touchdown and proposed marriage to a cheerleader and pulled out an end zone pylon and pretended to hit a golf shot with it. Steve Smith of the Panthers did an end zone Snow Angel, went to the ground and did a rowboat celebration and cradled a football like a baby and wiped its bottom as if it needed more diapers.

Going to the ground for a celebration is an automatic flag. Don't have a link, but I'm 99.9% positive.Never heard of anyone flagged for just standing and playing around with the ball. Any example?

 

[harryhood]

Brandon jacobs and his homage to his pregnant wife last year got flagged

 

[AB in DC]

In any case, if the Cards had won thanks to a cheap celebration penalty like that, there would be just as much whining on this board...probably more.

 

[Jake22]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

This is 100% correct...some people don't understand that though, Al Michaels said it WAS reviewed upstairs and they saw nothing to stop play.

 

[biggamer3]

I love how a meaningless play vs the Chargers was reviewed for 5 minutes but a SB play wasnt

 

[Yenrub]

Brandon jacobs and his homage to his pregnant wife last year got flagged

I don't think you can do something that appears to be pre-planned.

Not that I care but I would think a Lebron James imitation was pre planned

 

[Devine Intervention]

Brandon jacobs and his homage to his pregnant wife last year got flagged

I don't think you can do something that appears to be pre-planned.

whos to say if it was pre-planned, it seemed to me as if he doing something like Lebron James does at a basketball game, which I highly doubt was just what popped up in his mind randomly after a game winning TD lol. But, its just that fact that its the super bowl and you should never be dumb enough to give the other team any benifit in field position, esp for a stupid celebration.

 

[PranksterJD]

The last play was reviewed upstairs and it was determined that it was a fumble. Just because they didn't stop the game, doesn't mean the play wasn't reviewed.

This is 100% correct...some people don't understand that though, Al Michaels said it WAS reviewed upstairs and they saw nothing to stop play.

This is pretty much an absurd validation. The booth had time to look at that once, maybe twice, and to say that there wasn't the slightest doubt is ludicrous. I personally think it was a fumble, but this is the Super Bowl. Take the extra two minutes to send the ref under the hood and get it right.Put another way... there was NO downside to taking the time to do a full, referee-led review. None. There was, quite obviously, a large downside in NOT doing the review. I just really didn't understand that decision.