Why would Jim Irsay say this? (1 Viewer)

[T J]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

 

[finito]

If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

Why should he extend the deadline? The Colts aren't trying to help him win a SB this year, and not extending the deadline is the best way to be free to pursue a team that is not rebuilding/going younger. Seems like a no-brainer for both sides. They should both shake hands and walk away.

 

[Da Guru]

I've never rooted for a player to bust and I won't now but if Luck ends up being a bum it'll be something the Colts organization deserves after treading PM like this.

I'm tired of the boohoo for Peyton stuff. Please realise that the franchise is a business also. Why would a business put $28MM into a fading product that may not even peform ever again. If he truely wants to play for Indy, then he needs to sit down and face the facts. Restructuring his contract is the only way he has a chance in Indy or anywhere else for that matter. The guy has been great to this city, but we have paid him well. Why do we owe him something at this point?

I think you have missed most of the conversation. This is not about Peyton Manning, but about Irsay being a clown. This is a situation where a rich boy inherited a team and does not know how to handle his business with class.You say that Peyton Manning needs to "sit down and face the facts". In reality, he does not have to sit down with Irsay. This is the off-season. PM does not have to be in the Colts building at all and reports are out that PM has been working out at Duke. If Peyton sits down with Irsay it will be in hopes that his time with the Colts can end on a pleasant note."Restructuring his contract is the only way he has a chance in Indy or anywhere else for that matter." This is 50% incorrect. Irsay has made it public that he will not pay the 28 million and that a restructuring is the only way PM will play for the Colts. Once Irsay opts out of the payment, the Colts contract is void and does not get applied to a new team. PM will become an unrestricted free agent and he will agree to terms with a different team.You are jumping in this conversation with a question that reads "Why would a business put $28MM into a fading product that may not even peform ever again." Who are you asking this question to? Most people believe that Irsay should not pay the 28 million, even big Peyton Manning fans like me. It is a business decision and the proper move is to release Peyton and move on with a new QB and coaches.You are writing the above as if you are a Colts fan, so time to get your facts straight. "Why do we owe him something at this point?" What Irsay owes PM is a hand shake and a "thank you". No one is doing any "boohoo for Peyton stuff".

Have you ever seen a closeup of Irsay in HD? Looks like a big time boozer. Half of the time I think he gets a good buzz on and starts Tweeting. Indy had a liquored up kicker..now the have a liquored up owner.

 

[T J]

If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

Why should he extend the deadline? The Colts aren't trying to help him win a SB this year, and not extending the deadline is the best way to be free to pursue a team that is not rebuilding/going younger. Seems like a no-brainer for both sides. They should both shake hands and walk away.

Because he's a phony for saying he wants to be a Colt for life but then not acting in a manner that could potentially allow for that.The number 1 thing I tell my kids is that actions speak louder than words. Manning's actions, to me, have been a crock of -----.

 

[RUSF18]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

 

[Touchdown There]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Well duhhh!!! So that the Colts can get some draft picks and trade him to a crappy team. As a bonus, Irsay looks like a genius when Peyton never makes the playoffs again! That is the only logical and fair thing to do. I see no other angle.HORSESHOE TRUMPS ALL.

 

[T J]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

 

[RUSF18]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance.

You're being naive. If the Colts had any intentions of keeping Manning at all, they would not be changing the entire offensive system by hiring a new coach and OC from oustide the organization. They would not be considering drafting Luck, but would rather reap the benefits of trading away the most valuable No. 1 pick in a long time. They would not be leaking news stories about how he can't throw or had another nexck surgery no one knew about.With all that said the Colts are doind the right thing for their organization - but are just going about it the wrong way. As others have said, bith parties should shake hands amicably and agree to move on.

 

[T J]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

I get the point. I just don't happen to agree it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put the ball in Manning's court. It's right where it belongs.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

I get the point. I just don't happen to agree it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put the ball in Manning's court. It's right where it belongs.

You do realize that it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put this out to the media though, right?

 

[T J]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

I get the point. I just don't happen to agree it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put the ball in Manning's court. It's right where it belongs.

You do realize that it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put this out to the media though, right?

No, I really don't. I think everything he's said is with the intent of positioning himself more favorably in the court of public opinion once the inevitable happens. And let's not forget it was Manning who started the public commentary when he blathered on about the Colts' facility "not being a good place right now" as he was doing his rehab and people were getting released/fired. He opened himself up, IMO, to Irsay going on the offensive via the media. Two can play that game.

 

[RUSF18]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

I get the point. I just don't happen to agree it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put the ball in Manning's court. It's right where it belongs.

You do realize that it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put this out to the media though, right?

No, I really don't. I think everything he's said is with the intent of positioning himself more favorably in the court of public opinion once the inevitable happens. And let's not forget it was Manning who started the public commentary when he blathered on about the Colts' facility "not being a good place right now" as he was doing his rehab and people were getting released/fired. He opened himself up, IMO, to Irsay going on the offensive via the media. Two can play that game.

Spoiler

Irsay will lose that game, except maybe in the minds of the most delusional fans.

 

[T J]

You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending.

I'm a Colts fan and I can tell you that I genuinely believe that whatever negative reaction there is, if any, will be absolutely minimal. The great majority already assume and expect that Peyton's done as a Colt.And frankly, I get a sense that there's some excitement rather than "woe is me". We've got the #1 overall pick. We finally got rid of Caldwell and hired what appears to be a quality coaching staff. I say adios Peyton. If he wants to stay as a Colt, it IS on him. I have no problem whatsoever with Irsay putting this on Manning. That's where it should be. Manning has refused to extend the deadline past the March 8th roster bonus due date so he can and should be called on that.

All extending the deadline would do is allow him to be traded. Why should he do that?

Uhhh..... no. It would give the Colts an opportunity to see if he can heal and be re-signable and thus worthy of the $28M. I think if Manning were healthy, they'd keep him. But Manning won't be able to demonstrate that by March 8th. No chance. And trading him is not at all a realistic scenario anyway. Nobody is going to want to bite on his contract. He's either going to be released outright or be a Colt. I don't think a trade is part of the equation at all - extension of the deadline or not. I really do put this on Manning. He has put the Colts in a bad spot by not agreeing to extend the deadline. They really have no choice but to release him and I think it's more than fair for Irsay to put that out there. If Manning were true to his word, he'd allow the Colts more time to make a decision. Don't forget - Irsay just got done paying Manning $26M last year and didn't get a snap out of him. There is a sentiment that Manning somewhat sandbagged the Colts as to the severity of his neck situation.

Okay, so what if Manning agrees to extend the deadline by two whole months. He gives a little demonstration on May 8, the Colts don't think he's worth paying $28MM to, and they decline the bonus making him a free agent. What are his options post FA signing and post draft? There's no motivation for him to do so.You're still not getting the point of this thread. Everyone knows that the current situation does not make sense for either the Colts or Manning. No one will fault the Colts for declining the option. What people in this thread are saying is that it's a completely chicken#### move by Irsay to throw the ball back in Manning's court, so that when it doesn't work out (which it won't), he can blame Peyton.

I get the point. I just don't happen to agree it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put the ball in Manning's court. It's right where it belongs.

You do realize that it's a chicken#### move on Irsay's part to put this out to the media though, right?

No, I really don't. I think everything he's said is with the intent of positioning himself more favorably in the court of public opinion once the inevitable happens. And let's not forget it was Manning who started the public commentary when he blathered on about the Colts' facility "not being a good place right now" as he was doing his rehab and people were getting released/fired. He opened himself up, IMO, to Irsay going on the offensive via the media. Two can play that game.

Irsay will lose that game, except maybe in the minds of the most delusional fans.

I don't think there's a winner or loser. It just is. I can assure you I'm not delusional. I'm just sick and tired of hearing all the love for Peyton Manning and what he's done for the city, blah, blah. I love it when an owner gives some s--- back to a player. Just happens to be Peyton Manning this time. I was also 100 percent in the owner's corner throughout the whole lockout thing. Just the way I'm wired.