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Winner Winner, Chicken DinnerRookie receivers almost always have negligible impact their rookie year. How long is Driver going to play - he is 33 now. I think within the next two years he will be gone from the NFL, or at best a #3/4 reciever. Jordy Nelson is there so that the Packers have three fine receivers two years from now.
And I don't like the vibe either...
Why pick out Sweed who was passed over by teams for 5 other WR's? What are we going to have a thread about why each of those guys (Hardy, Royal, Simpson, Jackson, Kelly) were chosen over Sweed?
Brian Brennan
He's far from a one trick pony. Yes to this point in his career he hasn't shown too often run after the catch ability, but I believe once he learns to run better routes he then will create more separation and get more YAC. On the plus side he has very good hands and is great at controlling his body, using it to shield the DB and he goes up and gets the ball at its peak. I believe that he will be a 1,000 yd wr by his 3rd season once Ward moves to slot. I believe he will get 7-9 Tds this year.
Were not really disagreeing. At this point in time he's a one trick pony, maybe he can evolve into more. He does have decent hands and is great at controlling his body, which helps him in the redzone and on sideline routes. He doesn't excel over the middle at this point in time and hasn't shown YAC ability yet.So were basically on the same page except you think he'll learn to excel in the parts of his game where he's extremely weak, whereas i don't based on his playing style and body type.
My comparison to Wes Welker had nothing to do with their skin color. I just think that Welker is one of the best slot WRs in the NFL. Plus his RAC abilities are excellent. Despite the obvious size differences, I think that is the type of WR that Nelson is going to be. Catching everything thrown his way, and making short passes into first downs. Can you come up with a better slot WR to compare him too?
Ricky Proehl
There seems to be a lot of uninformed posters in here.It's fine if you think GB made the right call because you like Nelson more and he is a better fit for the team. There is no reason to just make stuff up about Sweed to justify that though.
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Please provide a link where it states that Sweed is a bad character, isn't hard working or mentally tough. Nelson was picked by the Packers because of his YAC ability and the ability to return punts. All this other made up crap is nonsense.
Link from before the draft."He's pretty talented," a scouting director who rated Sweed the best receiver in this draft said. "Work ethic, just OK. Toughness OK. But he's so big, it's not going to matter. He's a big, athletic guy that can catch the ball." … "I don't think he's a first-rounder," another scouting director said. "I'm concerned about not only the wrist, but coming back from the injury, him shutting it down for the rest of the year at the end when he could have come back for the bowl game, from what some people said. He lacked some competitiveness on the field. He has a nonchalant air about the way he plays, which bothers me. He's a solid player, but I didn't see him separate himself as the guy, like I thought I would with the size and measurables. I think he's a second-round guy."
I like these. From now on I'll describe Nelson as "Don Hutson on steroids".Or maybe, "like Max McGee, but sober".
Ive come around to the Idea that Tompson may know what he's doing over in GB. But I am still stunned a full year later with the selection of Brandon Jackson in the 2nd round of 2007. That selection and lets face it, it was just a couple of years ago that TT was looking like a moron. There is no arguing with the results today(Minus Jackson) that they have done an outstanding job building a great young team. So that alone would push the guy up my draft board.
I make the point again, anyone can be an NFL scout - There are schools for it, you don't have to know anything about football. If some one is willing to spend the cash you can get your credentials. If I bought an NFL team today, I would take FBG's Dynasy staff (most of them) and Matt "Wildman" Walden to run my scouting department. I would then consider crossing anyone of my draft board or putting them a full round later that Kiper said was a cant miss.I am going to venture that there are NFL players personnel people who are checking out web sites just like FBG's and FFToday to get a second opinion.
I would highly doubt this. The resources that these guys have are far more superior to anything that any average Joe on a website has. I would imagine if a scout was looking for a 2nd opinion on a player he would go to one of the other several scouts working for his own team. They may use websites like this to gage popular opinion of fan opinion of how fans will react to a player, but I don't think it would ever change the way the have graded them. I would sure as hell hope not anyway.
I didn't realize 2nd round picks that don't produce their first year are immediately labeled busts. Give the kid a chance for crying out loud. He did rush for 117 yards in the final game of the season.As for "a couple of years ago that TT was looking like a moron". To whom? Some fans? (alright many fans, albeit obviously jumping the gun) The media? Please. Thompson has and will always do what he feels is best for the team, regardless what the fans and media think about it, or him. He was, after all, cleaning up the mess left by Sherman.
Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.
On another note Ted, you cant put the blame completely on Sherman. You had an aging team with a lack of talent at a number of positions. That was caused by you Ted. Cleaning up your own mess, does not a savior make.
The resources ARE numerous. Thinking outside the box and using a source that isn't tainted by the obvious possibility of getting fired(Which makes scouts go heard like), would only be a benefit.
This site is great in many ways, but it would provide no useful info for a NFL team's scouting dept.
Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?This site is great in many ways, but it would provide no useful info for a NFL team's scouting dept.
Oh, Thompson has definitely whiffed on some picks, as everyone is going to do. Of course he is from the Ron Wolf mold and accumulates a multitude of picks to better the odds of hitting.As for Jackson being a bad RB and bad pick, you obviously have that figured out after 1 year so it must be fact.And how exactly did TT cause the aging team and lack of talent?Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.On another note Ted, you cant put the blame completely on Sherman. You had an aging team with a lack of talent at a number of positions. That was caused by you Ted. Cleaning up your own mess, does not a savior make.
He's transformed this roster into one of the youngest in the league.Sorry, enough of the 
, but my basic point to the OP is that Thompson is not going to look at "consensus" lists and ratings, but is going to take who he thinks fits the team and system the best.
If your the captain of the ship you are responsible for the Entire ship, yes he has transformed the team into a dynamo, but to Blame Sherman for the Packers plight a few years ago is wrong. It ain't about Jacksons only one year, he wasn't good in college despite his stats. Jackson benefited from Large gaping wholes, a good O-line and very weak college defenses. The thread is not Hijacked it still would be a part of the discussion of Why one player over another.Oh, Thompson has definitely whiffed on some picks, as everyone is going to do. Of course he is from the Ron Wolf mold and accumulates a multitude of picks to better the odds of hitting.As for Jackson being a bad RB and bad pick, you obviously have that figured out after 1 year so it must be fact.And how exactly did TT cause the aging team and lack of talent?Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.
I really like what Chris Johnson has to offer. I think he was a legit first round pick - of course not sure about the Titans making the pick, but I don't think he was out of place (as far as when he was drafted). On the other hand, if you already feel Chris Henry was the wrong pick, then you have to pick up a game changing talent like Johnson.Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?
You are dead wrong here, he was the HC and GM whose fault was it, the people he hired?If your the captain of the ship you are responsible for the Entire ship, yes he has transformed the team into a dynamo, but to Blame Sherman for the Packers plight a few years ago is wrong. It ain't about Jacksons only one year, he wasn't good in college despite his stats. Jackson benefited from Large gaping wholes, a good O-line and very weak college defenses. The thread is not Hijacked it still would be a part of the discussion of Why one player over another.Oh, Thompson has definitely whiffed on some picks, as everyone is going to do. Of course he is from the Ron Wolf mold and accumulates a multitude of picks to better the odds of hitting.As for Jackson being a bad RB and bad pick, you obviously have that figured out after 1 year so it must be fact.Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.
And how exactly did TT cause the aging team and lack of talent?
Green Bay PackersIn his six-year head coaching career with the Packers from 2000–05, Sherman compiled a 57-39 regular season record and a 2-4 postseason record. Sherman had used the West Coast Offense offensive strategy at Green Bay.[12]Phurfur said:You are dead wrong here, he was the HC and GM whose fault was it, the people he hired?mdog1967 said:If your the captain of the ship you are responsible for the Entire ship, yes he has transformed the team into a dynamo, but to Blame Sherman for the Packers plight a few years ago is wrong. It ain't about Jacksons only one year, he wasn't good in college despite his stats. Jackson benefited from Large gaping wholes, a good O-line and very weak college defenses. The thread is not Hijacked it still would be a part of the discussion of Why one player over another.uwgb96 said:Oh, Thompson has definitely whiffed on some picks, as everyone is going to do. Of course he is from the Ron Wolf mold and accumulates a multitude of picks to better the odds of hitting.As for Jackson being a bad RB and bad pick, you obviously have that figured out after 1 year so it must be fact.mdog1967 said:Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.uwgb96 said:On another note Ted, you cant put the blame completely on Sherman. You had an aging team with a lack of talent at a number of positions. That was caused by you Ted. Cleaning up your own mess, does not a savior make.
And how exactly did TT cause the aging team and lack of talent?
Im just not one to give up on a kid after one year.Why is Jackson the one to single out right now?I think he looked better towards the end of the year. He was much more decisive in his cuts...he was not getting blasted for missing blocks.I don't think he is a feature back...but right now, he does not need to be.TT has not looked great in his drafting of Oline...but where has he looked like a moron? Only to those who, for some reason, think they know more than an NFL GM.mdog1967 said:
I could go w/ Rod Gardner + a work ethic.
Why do you consider him a bad RB?What is your extensive experience in scouting?By Ted?Ted caused the aging team with no depth?Ummm...are you on crack?mdog1967 said:Jackson is bad RB and a bad pick, so the label bust doesn't apply. So Ted if your going to post over here at least admit to shanking that one.On another note Ted, you cant put the blame completely on Sherman. You had an aging team with a lack of talent at a number of positions. That was caused by you Ted. Cleaning up your own mess, does not a savior make.
Why? Because you don't like their draft?Yes...I think you are wrong.mdog1967 said:Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?
I don't think it is wrong.Sherman tried the win now...damn the future style. And it did not work.Ted Thompson inherited an aging team with no depth.Blame Thompson for dismantling the Oline. You might have a point there. But beyond that...blaming him for the age and the depth of the team when he came in is pure foolishness.he was not good in college despite his stats? Again...where do you get your scouting from and your experience. Maybe Ted should read these boards and hire you.mdog1967 said:
I wish the Titans lots of success and especially Vince since played here in Texas. To some of us we still have a soft spot for the Oilers (Titans). So yes, I thought they had a particularly bad draft, worse than last year and that was terrible IMHO.Why? Because you don't like their draft?Yes...I think you are wrong.mdog1967 said:Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?
Great...have anything in your own words to actually adress the question?Sherman is responsible for some of the success. Some of his draft picks are core guys on this team. That much is not debatable. But he left the team in disarray with his style and left them old and with little detph.
I think the drafting of Henry last year was bad. Beyond that...not really.I think the Johnson pick is an admission that they screwed up the Henry pick.But I would not call anything terrible just yet.Draft grades in April and May are pretty idiotic before we have seen what these guys will do on the field.Just like grading Brandon Jackson and calling him bad after one year is quite idiotic.I wish the Titans lots of success and especially since Vince since played here in Texas. To some of us we still have a soft spot for the Oilers (Titans). So yes, I thought they had a particularly bad draft, worse than last year and that was terrible IMHOWhy? Because you don't like their draft?Yes...I think you are wrong.mdog1967 said:Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?
Well we obviously see it different.I think the drafting of Henry last year was bad. Beyond that...not really.I think the Johnson pick is an admission that they screwed up the Henry pick.But I would not call anything terrible just yet.Draft grades in April and May are pretty idiotic before we have seen what these guys will do on the field.Just like grading Brandon Jackson and calling him bad after one year is quite idiotic.I wish the Titans lots of success and especially since Vince since played here in Texas. To some of us we still have a soft spot for the Oilers (Titans). So yes, I thought they had a particularly bad draft, worse than last year and that was terrible IMHOWhy? Because you don't like their draft?Yes...I think you are wrong.mdog1967 said:Well you may be correct, but you have to think the Tennessee Titans could have come here and drafted a slight bit better based on just the opinions of the Forums alone. I mean somebody over there is having trouble scouting RB's, am I wrong?
As the Sesame Street song goes "one of these is not like the others".
In a thread about why Sweed fell in the draft, it was 43 posts before the wrist injury (a pretty big deal) came up. Then it was completely ignored.Interesting, to say the least.He's definitely had route issues in the past, but has worked diligently on this and has improved greatly. He's a worker. He's had drops, so he worked successfully to improve his hands. He was a great value.The wrist injury was the main reason he slipped in the draft. It was covered extensively in draft coverage.Are you taking skills, or type of receiver into consideration at all or are you just listing other white receivers?
