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They're in the conversation, but they made a lot more sense for Leinart then Quinn. I'm sure there will be many escalators in this contract, although if I was Condon, I'd focus more on base numbers than escalators (especially if he holds out).
I don't think there's a significant premium.Bush signed a bigger contract than Young, e.g..
Why would you trade a future 1st round pick, maybe as high as top 5, and the 36th pick, for the 22nd pick?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=297
Certainly the Browns don't think Quinn is equal to the average #22 pick. They wouldn't have traded up if Quinn wasn't there. It seems reasonable that he should be paid closer to what he's worth to them.
Heard on draft day Cleveland was going to take a QB next year anyway. they liked Quinn but not at #3.When Quinn started his freefall Cleveland thought if they are going to draft a QB as a high #1 next year..why not trade for Quinn who they liked anyway..have him on the roster a full year to get acclimated..and also save a ton of cash in the process.
I think this is an excellent point. What is the contract precedent for QBs where teams traded up into the first round to pick? Didn't Boller get picked in much of the same way? Did he end up with a contract similar to those who were slotted far above him, or did he get a normal contract?If there is no evidence for trade-ups getting larger contracts, then I see absolutely no reason why Quinn's situation would be any different.
if Cleveland hadn't, another team may have traded up anyway. So we don't know that Cleveland saved him anything. We do know they got a player they had ranked in the top 10 (at least) at 22.
We know that because Cleveland said so. And Jerry Jones told Peter King they were taking Anthony Spencer at #22. So we know he would have slid lower than #22.I think the only team that told Quinn they were taking him was Baltimore at #29.
What other people is done is interesting, but it's not that relevant. Quinn and Cleveland, like every draft pick and every draft team, can come up with whatever contract they want. See: Maurice Clarett, Denver Broncos.
To wit Savage can reply.A normal 22nd pick who no team would trade the rights for even when they had the 36nd pick in this draft and a first round draft pick next year as incentive so the players whom THEY selected were worth MORE and will be paid accordingly. Free market system, people get paid for their worth not what they think they are worth. The market drives the true worth and in reality Quinn's true worth is what he can provide for the Browns.And you are missing the point on leverage. The only leverage Quinn has is what Savage has let leak on where he had Quinn ranked on the Brown's draft board, number 7. But Savage didn't begin making calls until pick number 12. The other things you are missing is, Savage made a phone call to Quinn on Friday night and told him that the Browns thought a lot of him but they were not going to select him with their top pick. He wished Brady luck at that time and said that he knew things would work out for him. When the Browns took Joe Thomas Quinn didn't seem the least bit concerned. He pretty much knew he wasn't going there but it was everyone's belief he'd go at number 9 to Miami. When the Phins passed he could be heard to say to his girlfriend, (and I'd rate her at 8 spanks personally so anyone thinking she's mediocre can suck dog feces thru a straw AFIC) , "That was surprising."So the Browns got Quinn 14 slots below when they began making calls. Manny Lawson got a contract in the $8 million range compared to Vince Young's $57 million contract. If Savage was a stand up enough guy to phone Quinn the night before and give him a curtesy call telling him directly that the Browns were not taking him and wishing him luck. And if Quinn has any sense he realizes that the only way he stands a chance to get the meaty portion of the money lost is to nail incentives with buy back clauses renegotiation clauses that he HAS to get into camp ON-TIME so he learns the offense and is able to compete.Phil Savage said as soon as they made the trade for Quinn that three teams phones him asking about the availability of Frye. Savage turned them down flat. Frye and Anderson hold a lot of leverage, more than peeps believe. Also the last part. Quinn is a die-hard Brown's fan. He knows he CAN'T hold out in Cleveland. He knows that he's going to constantly be compared to Bernie Kosar and that BK would never dream of hanging the home team/crowd/fans out to dry. Basically Quinn can't hold out but trust me. Savage is going to do well by him. Anyone who is as stand up and direct as Phil Savage isn't going to low-ball Brady Quinn. I'm far more concerned wtih Joe Thomas signing on time than Brady Quinn but that is just my humble opinion.Chase Stuart said:
"We know" and "I think" don't mean the same thing. Bottom line is anything except what actually happened is speculation. I wasn't in the room, so I don't know if Dallas had more than one call or if their only options were Spencer or trade with Cleveland. We can speculate that maybe Baltimore could have traded up from 29, Detroit or Miami could have put together the same package Cleveland did, KC could have traded up one spot, etc. In the end it doesn't matter. We know Cleveland wanted him and he'll be a local star immediately - whether or not he pans out. IMO, there was no better place for him to go, so hopefully both sides will be amicable and get a deal done soon.massraider said:
Yes, I know. That's why I used them in different ways. If we can believe Savage, that Quinn was rated that highly on their board, I can believe Jerry Jones when he says they were going to take Spencer at #22. Especially considering that they traded back up for him. The Browns stopped his free fall, he would be getting even less if it weren't for them.I agree than anything besides what happend is specualtion. The bottom line, to me, is that Quinn was the #22 pick. And it doesn't matter where he was on Cleveland's board, where Mel Kiper thought he was supposed to go, or what position he plays. He was the 22nd selection in the 1st round.
